Mini 1749: Classic Rock Mafia: Game Over!

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #59 (isolation #0) » Sat Dec 26, 2015 12:41 am

Oh, wow. 3 pages already while I was sleeping. Let me catch up.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #60 (isolation #1) » Sat Dec 26, 2015 2:55 am

VOTE: Radja

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #62 (isolation #2) » Sat Dec 26, 2015 3:08 am

Explain this Radja vote AI.

Ironically for being one of the less active players. Just see it as a random vote.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #69 (isolation #3) » Sat Dec 26, 2015 3:36 am

No reaction to my claim?

Not sure. It is a claim in a closed setup. But on the other hand, if you are not a miller, then there could be a real miller to counterclaim you, so it is quite a risk to take.

So I am gonna say town-leaning for now.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #74 (isolation #4) » Sat Dec 26, 2015 3:59 am

In post 72, Dwlee99 wrote:I don't feel comfortable when people claim to be on medication. :/

The fact that they are on medication or that they involve it in the game?

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #75 (isolation #5) » Sat Dec 26, 2015 4:07 am

Thoughts on Matt + wagon?

Meh. Not really actually. :/

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #88 (isolation #6) » Sat Dec 26, 2015 6:23 am

Would Taly claim if he is scum?

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #106 (isolation #7) » Sat Dec 26, 2015 8:45 am

In post 105, Lowell wrote:Wow you guys move fast. 5 pages. Oof.

I believe, and love, the miller claim. I remember years ago doing the same thing as miller and having a long and dumb philosophical discussion about it. Point is, haters gon' hate. Claim is smart, if true, and almost certainly true.

I also like Gamr as town.

VOTE: AI for trying to draw out a reason Taly would fake claim. Grasping at straws, as if trying to set something up.

Jesus Christ. It happens that someone fakeclaims in a closed setup. I was considering various possibilities. There's nothing wrong with that. This is a really bad reason to vote for me.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #190 (isolation #8) » Sun Dec 27, 2015 3:58 am

Has anyone noticed that AI fell off the face of the Earth whenever he got voted on? Or am I just giving him too little time?

I need more time. I didn't even realize that people voted for me.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #193 (isolation #9) » Sun Dec 27, 2015 4:51 am

Oh. Dear. My memory is bad then. I will have some thoughts after rereading everything.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #198 (isolation #10) » Sun Dec 27, 2015 7:51 am

After having re-read Radja's ISO, I think it more likely that he is town. His posts seem genuine. I do wonder why he has Garmr as a townread. I think I have an idea, but I am not sure if saying it helps the game.

UNVOTE: Radja

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #199 (isolation #11) » Sun Dec 27, 2015 7:52 am

Never mind. I thought they could be Masons, but #181 refutes that.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #263 (isolation #12) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 1:14 am

Wait, what? Did MattP crumb a role?

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #270 (isolation #13) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 5:04 am

Lowell's last post is quite convincing. I am going to place Lowell at fence-town for now.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #286 (isolation #14) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 6:37 am

Well you can trust me, I'm a doctor

^This is clearly a joke. It is not alignment indicative.

I have felt like saying exactly this line before, but I resisted the temptation.

If MattP is scum, it is not because he "slipped" or "softclaimed" here.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #287 (isolation #15) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 6:40 am

Anyway, Garmr is taking such strong positions that if he is wrong, he knows he is going to face a lot of scrutiny.

So I am putting him at fence-town for now(!). No need to bother with him yet.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #289 (isolation #16) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 6:44 am

In post 163, iraonavp wrote:
In post 162, Radja wrote:VOTE: Albert B Rampage

Vote of the year! Simply a brilliant vote. *showers with praise*

I don't like this comment. At all.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #291 (isolation #17) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 6:47 am

In post 290, iraonavp wrote:AlwaysInnocent, are you actually reading a single player in this game as scum-aligned?

Hell yeah.

Not necessarily you, though. I am still undecided about what to think of your comment. I have some other people in mind.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #292 (isolation #18) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 6:50 am

I am currently slightly scumreading:

{Mathilda, Dierfire} and after them {Dwlee}.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #293 (isolation #19) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 6:55 am

Radja is fence-town for me. His reactions are not the best, but he is still trying to scumhunt (despite the pressure) and I like that.

Then we have Albert B. If Mathilda is indeed scum, I am gonna say Albert B. is town.

My read on Dwlee is less strong (and is basically a result of a very early application of PoE). While he has made quite some posts, he does not really seem to be pushing the game forward or anything. He says he is a poor scumhunter, which can be either true or false; but it does seem like a poor excuse for not scumhunting.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #296 (isolation #20) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:07 am

Now this is pretty funny because around this time Always innocent unvotes on the thought me and radja are masons then the next post he says never mind yet he never revotes radja or mentions him again.

That was a silly misunderstanding on my part. It didn't deserve much attention, because it was simply my own stupidity.

P-edit now this interesting AI switch of reads on radja.

Thank God (or rather, Nature) for the ability to revise my beliefs!

Without pressuring Radja, we would not have modest evidence in favor of him being town. It is only natural to move on at that point. There's nothing wrong with that.

It's actually around this time the radja wagon is dieing we have opposition to wagon now in the forms of lowell,dwlee not actively but in the fact they are questioning the wagon of radja that matt takes his vote off.

So you think Radja is scum and he is being saved, or what?

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #299 (isolation #21) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:12 am

In post 297, Dwlee99 wrote: 294 feels like a lot of IIOA to me.

He is probably just on the wrong track. He did mention some things I had already forgotten about (like the Masons).

Do you think he is scum?

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #301 (isolation #22) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:23 am

In post 130, Dierfire wrote:MattP looks fine to me. I don't know why people want to vote for him. Aero is a good bet for Town on his wagon. His points on Iraonavp are good; currently Iraonavp would be my best guess for Mafia on his wagon if he's Town.

Now I have to dive into Taly's posts.

Nice white knighting here. It also looks like Dierfire is yelling that he is scumhunting without actually doing any of the scumhunting.

But let's DIVE some more into Dierfire's posts!

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #302 (isolation #23) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:24 am

Also:

VOTE: Dierfire

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #304 (isolation #24) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:31 am

In post 303, Dwlee99 wrote:I've liked some of garmr's earlier posts but that post didn't feel like he accomplished much.

I don't think it accomplished much either, but he seems genuine.

I don't approve of the dier vote.

Why not? He's a better candidate than MattP or Albert B.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #307 (isolation #25) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:33 am

In post 306, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 304, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
In post 303, Dwlee99 wrote:I've liked some of garmr's earlier posts but that post didn't feel like he accomplished much.
I don't think it accomplished much either, but he seems genuine.

I don't approve of the dier vote.
Why not? He's a better candidate than MattP or Albert B.

You don't HAVE to vote for one of those 3. Why are you creating a false dilemma?

I can also vote for you, if you want.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #308 (isolation #26) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:34 am

In post 305, Frozen Angel wrote:even better than radja? if yes why?

Yes. I will point you to #293.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #311 (isolation #27) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:37 am

In post 309, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 307, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
In post 306, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 304, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
In post 303, Dwlee99 wrote:I've liked some of garmr's earlier posts but that post didn't feel like he accomplished much.
I don't think it accomplished much either, but he seems genuine.

I don't approve of the dier vote.
Why not? He's a better candidate than MattP or Albert B.

You don't HAVE to vote for one of those 3. Why are you creating a false dilemma?
I can also vote for you, if you want.

VOTE: AlwaysInnocent

I don't like the threat.
I question your vote and you immediately attack me for it.

I like threatening my perceived opponents. I think you could be scum buddies with Dierfire.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #313 (isolation #28) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:39 am

I generally don't do them, but in this case, I was already associating you two in my mind, and then you come and defend him. Weird.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #315 (isolation #29) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:42 am

In post 314, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 313, AlwaysInnocent wrote:I generally don't do them, but in this case, I was already associating you two in my mind, and then you come and defend him. Weird.

Because he is a town read of mine why would I be okay with you lynching them?

Stop townreading scum.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #318 (isolation #30) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:44 am

In post 316, Frozen Angel wrote:you wanna answer me about radja?

Yes. I will point you to #308.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #319 (isolation #31) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:46 am

In post 317, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 315, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
In post 314, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 313, AlwaysInnocent wrote:I generally don't do them, but in this case, I was already associating you two in my mind, and then you come and defend him. Weird.

Because he is a town read of mine why would I be okay with you lynching them?
Stop townreading scum.

Stop scumreading town?

Why are you even townreading him in the first place?

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #321 (isolation #32) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:48 am

In post 320, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 319, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
In post 317, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 315, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
In post 314, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 313, AlwaysInnocent wrote:I generally don't do them, but in this case, I was already associating you two in my mind, and then you come and defend him. Weird.

Because he is a town read of mine why would I be okay with you lynching them?
Stop townreading scum.

Stop scumreading town?
Why are you even townreading him in the first place?

You readin the thread?

Yes.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #323 (isolation #33) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:50 am

In post 322, Frozen Angel wrote:ok you missed my 310 or ignored it ?

I missed it.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #326 (isolation #34) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:54 am

In post 324, Dwlee99 wrote:Then you would see why I am townreading dier.

I don't.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #331 (isolation #35) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 8:14 am

In post 327, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 264, Dwlee99 wrote:@FA I think that dier is actively trying to solve the game

In post 266, Dwlee99 wrote:Their questions, fa.

In post 268, Dwlee99 wrote:Their questions help them figure out what is going on. Like in 234 they are trying to understand my read on radja and I like the pressure on ABR in 235.

What is your read on Mathilda?

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #333 (isolation #36) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 8:19 am

I think Frozen Angel is town, too. Fence-town. I sort of understand her focus on Radja, but I think she is wrong in scumreading him for saying "it will sort itself out" (not exactly true, but OK).

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #337 (isolation #37) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 8:22 am

Radja, are you willing to join the Dierfire wagon? Or do you have any other suggestions?

I don't think an Albert B. wagon is any good, so...

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #339 (isolation #38) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 8:29 am

Mathilda is fine, too.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #340 (isolation #39) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 8:37 am

My estimate is that there are around 3 scum. I rarely come up with a read list so early, but I am feeling more confident than usual:

Read List D1 V1

Frozen Angel

Lowell

Radja

Mathilda

Dwlee99

Dierfire

Albert B. Rampage

Garmr

Aeronaut

MattP

Taly

iraonavp

AlwaysInnocent

As usual, revision is inevitable. But I think I am on the right track.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #341 (isolation #40) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 8:39 am

Description of the colors:

Likely scum

Scum-leaning

Fence-scum

Null

Fence-town

Town-leaning or just town

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #343 (isolation #41) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 8:41 am

Alright, Frozen Angel. You are not entirely unreasonable. Let's say fence-town then. For now. OK? We will deal with him on D2, agreed? Or do you want to deal with him now?

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #344 (isolation #42) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 8:42 am

What do you think of my other reads?

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #346 (isolation #43) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 8:44 am

In post 345, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 343, AlwaysInnocent wrote:Alright, Frozen Angel. You are not entirely unreasonable. Let's say fence-town then. For now. OK? We will deal with him on D2, agreed? Or do you want to deal with him now?

as I said LYLO is danger point . I can't accept to carry her with town till then. I can ignore the claim for now.

So, let's commit ourselves to sorting this out from D2? For now it is easier to just assume that the claim is truthful.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #348 (isolation #44) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 8:47 am

In post 347, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 344, AlwaysInnocent wrote:What do you think of my other reads?

I'm not following Radja townread.Like at all

I'm considering Mattp in null category.

In rest I can't argue.

Radja is way too reckless to be scum. At least for now. I sort of understand some of his views and his behavior from a town point of view. I cannot guarantee that he is town, but I think it is very likely.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #349 (isolation #45) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 8:51 am

For example...

In post 197, Radja wrote:Looks like I just became the center of attention. Interesting.

I stand by my comments. All of them.

^This uncompromising attitude is what gets him in a lot of trouble. It seems to fit more with the possible world where he is town and thinks that he can do everything he wants, and that people should just "back off" if they don't like that.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #356 (isolation #46) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 8:58 am

In post 350, Frozen Angel wrote:or just a trapped scum who think his scum buddies can make a counter wagon ?

I really can't give him town cred for that comment

Creating a counter-wagon. Not impossible. But with his attitude people just want to keep voting for him.

(Possibly his hypothetical scum buddies, too.

)

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #357 (isolation #47) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 8:59 am

In [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=7509208#p7509208]post 354[/url], RadiantCowbells wrote:FA has been modkilled.

She was an evil pagetop stealer.

This is a joke, right?

I don't want to be a buzzkill, but I would not joke about those things when you have mod powers.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #362 (isolation #48) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 9:17 am

In post 360, RadiantCowbells wrote:Joke removed. Sorry for any confusion caused.

No problem. It's just something to be aware of. Especially when you are used to being informal.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #364 (isolation #49) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 9:59 am

In post 363, Lowell wrote:@Taly 274- I have a slight town read on Gamr. I can't remember why, but more or less I agree with AI's 287. Also, based on the last few pages I'm developing an AI townread.

I'd like more pressure on iraon, please. Seems like he just said "LOL your reads OMG" and there won't be any consequences. Or I guess we could all just OMGUS each other forever.

I am re-reading him to see if I missed something.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #365 (isolation #50) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 10:02 am

I think you are right that we should pressure him, Lowell. I'm going to revise my read on him to null for now. I shouldn't be overconfident about these reads just because I am confident about some other reads.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #410 (isolation #51) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 1:59 am

Aeronaut town-leaning. Getting more confident that Garmr is town too.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #411 (isolation #52) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 2:09 am

In post 406, Dierfire wrote:
AlwaysInnocent seems new to the game. His interaction with Dwlee about the potential association between us is a pattern of thought that I'd expect from a newer player. I don't really like how many players he's reading as Town in 340 but I can live with it.

Why do I seem new to the game? Do you really think that, or are you just saying that in an attempt to disqualify me? Have I not explained that I usually do not guess pre-flip associations, but that I felt confident enough to do it now? If you are scum, it is foolish to dismiss me as a newbie.

You do not like that I am townreading many players. Why not? Assuming that my townreads are (mostly) correct, it is safe to say that scum will not like it, because it leaves them prone to PoE, and they will not be able to do anything about it. The more uncertainty there is in the game, the better it is for scum. The opposite is, of course, better for town.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #413 (isolation #53) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 3:48 am

In post 412, Lowell wrote:Good, Taly. Now others. AI, you're sitting around doing nothing. Vote iraon.

Vote Dierfire.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #415 (isolation #54) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 4:16 am

In post 414, Frozen Angel wrote:Why no one else is pressuring Radja? He just parked his vote and Confessed he is going to contribute nothing to the game.

He said he wasn't going to move his vote until some conditions are met. I would like Albert B. sorted out, too.

How could possibly anyone consider him town lean atm?!!!

Because of his other posts.

If he is scum, we will get him eventually. But I don't think he is.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #418 (isolation #55) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 4:22 am

In post 416, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 415, AlwaysInnocent wrote:He said he wasn't going to move his vote until some conditions are met. I would like Albert B. sorted out, too.

He is VLA , and I can't see any case against Albert.

He wasn't when Radja said he was going to keep his vote on him.

their just accusing him of active lurking when they are the real active lurkers ...

Who are the real active lurkers?

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #420 (isolation #56) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 4:33 am

Do you have any reads on other people besides Radja?

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #422 (isolation #57) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 4:44 am

Do you think Albert B. is town?

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #425 (isolation #58) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 4:48 am

Hmm. Never mind.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #427 (isolation #59) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 4:50 am

Apparently I am Mason-reading everyone this game.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #429 (isolation #60) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 5:28 am

In post 428, Lowell wrote:
In post 427, AlwaysInnocent wrote:Apparently I am Mason-reading everyone this game.

I don't know what this means.

It means I am imagining things.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #436 (isolation #61) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 5:59 am

I am not new to the game. I have been playing this game since 2008. It is true that I had a break for a few years and have only recently started playing again, but I am not completely newb. Of course, this doesn't mean that I don't make any mistakes, but you shouldn't think I have no idea what I am doing either.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #439 (isolation #62) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 6:11 am

No. I don't think Taly is lying. But we have to be careful nonetheless.

I am not looking for Masons specifically. It was just a brain fart.

I suppose a Cop and Masons would be overkill in a game this small. But having a Miller does not guarantee that there is a Cop.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #488 (isolation #63) » Thu Dec 31, 2015 12:25 am

Albert B, Radja is likely stubborn town. Uncooperative and uncompromising to the point of it hurting himself.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #506 (isolation #64) » Thu Dec 31, 2015 5:39 am

Okay. MattP is cleared. Albert B leans town too.

It is very possible to Lynch scum this day. Perhaps MattP can vig another likely scum that same night.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #507 (isolation #65) » Thu Dec 31, 2015 5:41 am

Mathilda, Dwlee, Dierfire need to die. All of them. No mercy.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #509 (isolation #66) » Thu Dec 31, 2015 5:59 am

No. Chop his head off.

No mercy.

Let's be extreme.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #511 (isolation #67) » Thu Dec 31, 2015 6:10 am

But I am fine with lynching Dierfire or Mathilda first.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #609 (isolation #68) » Sat Jan 02, 2016 2:17 am

I don't see the Frozen Angel slip.

I still think she is town.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #612 (isolation #69) » Sat Jan 02, 2016 8:10 am

I don't completely agree with Albert B., but that doesn't mean that he is scum.

Why vote for him? Maybe I am not seeing it, but he seems to be scumhunting.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #616 (isolation #70) » Sat Jan 02, 2016 9:53 am

In post 615, MattP wrote:Still content with Mathilda lynch

I'm OK with that, but it worries me that people seem to have forgotten about Dierfire.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #666 (isolation #71) » Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:56 am

I don't believe that Frozen Angel is scum. I am not voting for her because of some stupid slip. If you want to convince me you will have to do better than this.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #668 (isolation #72) » Mon Jan 04, 2016 4:08 am

In post 667, Lowell wrote:Eh, I don't see the FA smoking gun here. In all the games I've played I don't think I've ever actually seen a scum slip. More than once, though, I've seen someone "scum slip" only to turn up town. FA could be scum, but I'm not sure this proves anything.

Exactly. She could be scum, but not because of this.

I think she is town, though. I could be wrong, but her play seems town motivated. Anyway, I am going to ISO her soon, just to make sure I didn't miss anything.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #672 (isolation #73) » Mon Jan 04, 2016 9:00 am

So, this leads us back to Dierfire, Mathilda and Dwlee/Firebringer.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #673 (isolation #74) » Mon Jan 04, 2016 9:01 am

I suggest lynching one of them now, and vigging another this night.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #680 (isolation #75) » Mon Jan 04, 2016 10:38 am

In post 677, Garmr wrote:
In post 672, AlwaysInnocent wrote:So, this leads us back to Dierfire, Mathilda and Dwlee/Firebringer.

What about ironp what do u think of him.

Also possible scum, I think.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #682 (isolation #76) » Mon Jan 04, 2016 10:46 am

In post 674, MattP wrote:I'll
lynch
vig whomever I want tyvm

Right. I never said you couldn't.

Please re-read my post:

In post 673, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
I suggest
lynching one of them now, and vigging another this night.

I clearly said "I suggest". What's wrong with offering suggestions?

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #684 (isolation #77) » Mon Jan 04, 2016 10:52 am

What changed your mind, Albert B.?

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #687 (isolation #78) » Mon Jan 04, 2016 11:03 am

In post 685, MattP wrote:In

You probably get just one shot. Make sure it counts. Analyze the situation carefully.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #688 (isolation #79) » Mon Jan 04, 2016 11:04 am

In post 686, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Nobody supports an FA lynch. Mathilda is the next best thing.

Yeah. I think a FA lynch is a bad idea atm.

Have you given your thoughts about Dierfire yet?

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #691 (isolation #80) » Mon Jan 04, 2016 11:41 am

In post 690, Albert B. Rampage wrote:I prefer Mathilda.

Alright, but what are your thoughts about Dierfire as scum? Not whether he is lynch worthy (although this is obviously related to that), but whether he is scum or not.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #695 (isolation #81) » Mon Jan 04, 2016 1:56 pm

I am not opposed to hammering Mathilda. She is now at L-2. If someone else votes for her, I might hammer her.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #729 (isolation #82) » Mon Jan 04, 2016 8:26 pm

In post 704, Firebringer wrote:
In post 697, MattP wrote:I knew that's what he was!

In post 698, MattP wrote:Can we just hammer and not wait out this replacement I want to move on with my life

No.

Also your new avatar sucks.

These off topic comments lose you town points.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #731 (isolation #83) » Mon Jan 04, 2016 8:39 pm

What? It does. Especially when so little has been contributed.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #733 (isolation #84) » Mon Jan 04, 2016 10:19 pm

In post 732, Albert B. Rampage wrote:AI vote for Mathilda instead of threatening to quickhammer.

Who said anything about quickhammering? When I hammer, I will explain myself and state my intent to do so.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #735 (isolation #85) » Mon Jan 04, 2016 10:56 pm

VOTE: Mathilda

Never once mentioned me, even though I have called for her lynch several times. It's like she purposely avoids confrontation.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #739 (isolation #86) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 12:01 am

In post 736, Mathilda wrote:There were quite a few people I did not mention. I did think of you but decided that I needed to go over your posts again before commenting. After all, not being able to back up what you say is a bigger sin in this game.

Sure, it's a sin, but not always alignment indicative. I find your attitude more telling, though.

The reason for your vote on me looks opportunistic and contrived though. It's exactly this kind of reaction that I look out for. I'm now more sure of reading you as scum.

If I wasn't already voting for Albert I'd vote for you.

How is it opportunistic? I have been calling for your lynch for some time now. I have repeatedly stated that I am fine with a Dierfire or Mathilda (or Dwlee/Firebringer) lynch. I have been pushing for a Dierfire lynch, but it didn't work. I still favor a Dierfire lynch, but I am fine with your lynch as well.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #740 (isolation #87) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 12:04 am

As soon as I mentioned your lack of confrontation, you decided to attack and suspect me. If that is not scummy, then I don't know what is.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #742 (isolation #88) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 12:11 am

In post 741, Mathilda wrote:And what will you and Albert say when you find out that I am town?

If you are town, then you might want to tell me why you think we shouldn't be lynching Dierfire.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #744 (isolation #89) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 12:24 am

In post 743, Mathilda wrote:
In post 742, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
In post 741, Mathilda wrote:And what will you and Albert say when you find out that I am town?
If you are town, then you might want to tell me why you think we shouldn't be lynching Dierfire.

That deliberately avoided my question.

I assumed it was a rhetorical question, because what am I supposed to say if I am wrong?

But to answer yours, I don't see any reason to suspect Dierfire. The onus is on you to back up your claim that he is scum.

1. Dierfire white knighting MattP: #130.
2. PoE.
3. Lots of off-topic comments.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #755 (isolation #90) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 12:58 am

The scum radiation of Mathilda is starting to reach the boundaries of the universe.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #767 (isolation #91) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 1:22 am

In post 759, Firebringer wrote:
In post 755, AlwaysInnocent wrote:The scum radiation of Mathilda is starting to reach the boundaries of the universe.

Posts like this are really odd.

Yeah, and you are filling Dwlee's scum slot, right?

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #769 (isolation #92) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 1:44 am

In post 768, Firebringer wrote:
In post 767, AlwaysInnocent wrote:Yeah, and you are filling Dwlee's scum slot, right?

Your point?

So you agree.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #771 (isolation #93) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 1:49 am

In post 770, Firebringer wrote:Apparently I can't read at 4 in the morning.
I am going to sleep.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #774 (isolation #94) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 1:53 am

In post 772, Frozen Angel wrote:oO FB claimed scum??

Yes!

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #779 (isolation #95) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 2:05 am

In post 777, Mathilda wrote:What I find odd is AlwaysInnocent's motives for the following response to Firebringer. Why do this if you are town?

1. Firebringer is likely scum.
2. It generates information. For example, Frozen Angel changed her vote because of it, which gives us something to read her by.
3. I am a provocative type, especially as town (sometimes this borders on recklessness, but OK).

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #786 (isolation #96) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 4:28 am

I don't believe it was a scumslip (I am not a fan of reading too much into apparent slips), but Firebringer's reactions are worrying.

My vote stays on Mathilda for the time being.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #789 (isolation #97) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 4:30 am

No. Albert B is not a good Lynch.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #793 (isolation #98) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 4:38 am

In post 790, Frozen Angel wrote:lets lynch fire !

We can Lynch Firebringer tomorrow. Let's stick with Mathilda for now. Unless we have reason to believe she is town, which I highly doubt.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #794 (isolation #99) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 4:39 am

In post 792, Aeronaut wrote:Mathilda why would you not defend yourself if you're town?

Defending yourself sometimes makes it even worse if you are scum.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #799 (isolation #100) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 5:02 am

What is your case on Albert B?

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #806 (isolation #101) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 6:22 am

Damn. How obvious can you make it that you and Mathilda are scum buddies?

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #807 (isolation #102) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 6:26 am

Btw. Yes. The vig has a high probability of shooting scum if he plays correctly.

The vig will most likely die tonight, so this is his only chance.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #809 (isolation #103) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 6:40 am

Well, it is nice that you think I am town, but I am reading you as scum. You might as well try to "calm me down" by townreading me. So it doesn't mean anything. It doesn't make you more town.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #810 (isolation #104) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 6:42 am

Mathilda tried the opposite tactic of attacking me, but she was too late. It was no longer convincing.

You saw that and decided it didn't work, so you tried something different.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #819 (isolation #105) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 8:00 am

Yes, Dierfire is probably harder to lynch.

So we can lynch him instead, if you want.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #827 (isolation #106) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 8:32 am

On my home site and another site I played we used to have 24 hours per day. We thought it was normal.

24 hours is not enough time, though. But 3 days, yeah. It should be enough.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #828 (isolation #107) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 8:35 am

I was provoking Firebringer when I "caught" the slip.

The way he reacted to my provocations was telling, though.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #831 (isolation #108) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 8:46 am

In post 829, MattP wrote:
In post 19, Alduskkel wrote:Newbie 681, my first game here. We were discussing how my VT claim meant that the scum would have less NK targets for PR hunting.
Alduskkel wrote:There's a huge flaw in your argument MM... I would only be giving the scum less targets if I wasn't scum in the first place!

And then:

Alduskkel wrote:EBWOP: I misworded a bit. What I meant to say was:
I would only be giving the scum less targets if I wasn't a townie.

I'm not scum.

3rd time is the charm:

Alduskkel wrote:Oops, misworded again.
I. WOULD. ONLY. BE. GIVING. THE. SCUM. LESS. TARGETS. IF. I. WAS. A. TOWNIE.

OK, I got it.

I actually was a VT in the game, and MM (MiteyMouse) was Mafia.

Just saying, people accidentally use incorrect alignment identifiers and its not a scumslip. I've seen it happen in multiple games and I've never seen the person end up being scumy after that argument was used on them. Not that it can't happen, but it's not damning. People type fast

Lolz.

I know it is not alignment indicative in itself, but if you can make scum believe that it is, they might give you additional information.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #834 (isolation #109) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 8:50 am

Read List D1 V2

Frozen Angel

Lowell

Radja

Mathilda

Dwlee99

Dierfire

Albert B. Rampage

Garmr

Aeronaut

MattP

Taly

iraonavp

AlwaysInnocent

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #836 (isolation #110) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 8:54 am

Hm. Perhaps my color list is not very friendly to people who are colorblind. If I need to present the reads differently, because you can't read it, tell me.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #837 (isolation #111) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 8:54 am

Garmr, which people are null, according to you?

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #840 (isolation #112) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 8:58 am

In post 838, MattP wrote:I'm color blind but I just pressed quote to see the colors

No worries.

Oh, really? Sorry. In the future I will order my reads as well.

Perhaps I am going to write a program to do this for me, unless a program like that already exists?

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #842 (isolation #113) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 8:59 am

In post 839, Garmr wrote:
In post 837, AlwaysInnocent wrote:Garmr, which people are null, according to you?

lowell
aero
radja would be null

you would also be a null-town on my list so I guess light green.

Aero is not fence-town at least?

Perhaps I need to read Lowell's ISO again to see why I was townreading him again.

Still, I feel that we are slowly closing in on the scum.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #846 (isolation #114) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 9:10 am

Then let's make up our minds at least 24 hours before the deadline.

I don't think I am going to change my mind on Mathilda and Dierfire, though. I am fine with either lynch.

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Jan 05, 2016 10:04 am

In post 847, Lowell wrote:
In post 845, MattP wrote:I'm putting together a reads list but I'm not going to share it in lieu of the vig kill - just to organize my thoughts

And then whomever I feel most confident about lynching I'll talk about

If anyone other than Mathilda or Fire dies today it's going to be suspicious as shit.

What?

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Jan 05, 2016 10:14 am

Fuck me if Mathilda is town. I don't believe it.

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Jan 05, 2016 10:30 am

In post 865, MattP wrote:Frozen. I havent even read your post yet but cut the attitude every time anyone engages you about your play, it's the least helpful thing ever

Worse. It derails the discourse.

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Jan 05, 2016 10:37 am

Hmm. I'm not sure. Inconsistency isn't necessarily alignment indicative. I know that I can be pretty chaotic.

But after having re-read Frozen Angel's ISO, I think I am putting her at null for now. Her reactions are just terrible.

(See there's nothing wrong with initially townreading people, as long as you can revise your reads on them.)

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Jan 05, 2016 10:40 am

What? You mean my read revision?

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Jan 05, 2016 10:42 am

Oh, wait. You meant her jump.

I don't think it is really a jump. It seems more like bouncing back to her old read, almost like she forgot what she said about the possibility of TvT. It could be scummy, but I don't know. It at least makes me less certain about my initial townread on her.

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Jan 05, 2016 10:45 am

In post 874, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 866, MattP wrote:Like you've been questioned like 10 times this game and every time you freak out at the person who does it

Mattp. your free to check my meta. When I get accused , I jusmp out. this is me being me - > completly no alignment indicative

You might want to do something about that.

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Jan 05, 2016 10:48 am

Omg. Sorry. I won't say anything again.

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Jan 05, 2016 10:52 am

MattP wrote:In real life noone gets to snap at you because it's their personality.

Don't push it. It's better not to cross that line and stick to the game.

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Jan 05, 2016 11:04 am

In post 887, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 884, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
MattP wrote:In real life noone gets to snap at you because it's their personality.
Don't push it. It's better not to cross that line and stick to the game.

I can't help myself about that. sorry if its not productive ...

I know that you can't help it, but it is important to remember that it is just a game. We play it for fun. When someone accuses you of being scum (and it can be annoying for sure!), then it has nothing to do with you

personally

, but just how you play the game. We are fallible. We all make mistakes. Even when you know that we are wrong, we might not know it. We play to win. Take it lightly. It is supposed to be fun!

As scum, I frame people. I use everything I can against them (of course, not literally

everything

), but sometimes it causes people to respond in an intensive manner. I might buddy you for a few days and then lynch you anyway when it becomes convenient for me. Some people would perceive that as betrayal (and take it personal), but it is part of the game.

As town, I try my best to lynch scum. I can be wrong, but sometimes I have to act like I cannot be wrong; that I somehow know that someone is scum for sure. This might be perceived as mean or unjust if you are actually town and forget that it is just a game. But I don't know everything. I have to make guesses all the time, maximize the probability of winning.

In the end, it doesn't matter who wins, or what I am. I like most of you people here, including you. I have yet to meet someone on this forum that I truly dislike personally.

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Jan 05, 2016 11:18 am

In post 894, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 888, MattP wrote:Why did you even consider this originally?

The way you two were arguing and others stance at the time made me feel that a TvT. I said I need to reanalyze you.

@AI thx. I don't like to be treated differently or anything and I like to have fun. I just explained my way of reacting is natural and its in my personality. that's the thing I can't change.

Yes, I understand. But it can be perceived as a huge appeal to emotion. It creates a conflict between winning the game and respecting your feelings as a fellow human being.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #901 (isolation #126) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 1:48 pm

In post 897, Firebringer wrote:Guys are we close to deadline or something. I have been semi neglecting this game, and I apologize for that.

Who are you going to vote for? You are currently still voting for me (inherited from Dwlee's slot). Are you going to keep it this way or what?

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #906 (isolation #127) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 8:18 pm

Interesting. Ira is defending Mathilda.

Mathilda is not a policy Lynch. She is just very scummy.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #910 (isolation #128) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 8:21 pm

In post 908, iraonavp wrote:
In post 906, AlwaysInnocent wrote:Interesting. Ira is defending Mathilda.

Yes I am, if that hadn't already been made clear by several other posts I've made.

Interesting how? Interesting is a word that could imply a lot of things and you haven't been very specific.

Scummy interesting.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #912 (isolation #129) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 8:33 pm

Interesting posts, Ira. Keep it coming.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #914 (isolation #130) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 9:13 pm

Except that he is defending Mathilda.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #917 (isolation #131) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 9:18 pm

I am highly confident. That's why. My reasoning is complementary. Mathilda is, by herself, scummy. But when townreading the others Mathilda remains in a very small scum pool (Mathilda, Dierfire, Ira), i.e., PoE.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #918 (isolation #132) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 9:18 pm

Oh, yes, and Firebringer/Dwlee.

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Jan 05, 2016 10:01 pm

Albert B., the hammer is all yours.

(Or anyone else's.)

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Jan 05, 2016 10:22 pm

Mathilda, I like your play, even though you are scum. Your posts are intelligent. You make a lot of use of references. Just to be sure, I checked one of your scum games, and saw that you play highly rational as scum, too. This makes you extremely dangerous. You must understand why I cannot allow you to live.

Anyway, I hope to be playing more games with you in the future.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #929 (isolation #135) » Wed Jan 06, 2016 3:47 am

In post 928, Lowell wrote:Someone hammer and end this thing.

Agreed.

I have been re-reading Mathilda's other games (both town and scum), and I am still confident that she is scum.

Not that meta is completely reliable, but I think it is good as a confirmation.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #933 (isolation #136) » Wed Jan 06, 2016 4:14 am

Then ABR unvotes mathilda To sleep. That made me think we must instalynch Mathilda at this point. If mathilda flips scum I'm going to 100% attack ABR tomorrow.

If Mathilda flips scum, then Albert B. is almost certainly town.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #935 (isolation #137) » Wed Jan 06, 2016 4:17 am

Yes. Perhaps a bit quickly, but yes.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #936 (isolation #138) » Wed Jan 06, 2016 4:21 am

Anyway, Frozen Angel back to fence-town. This will shift towards town-leaning if Mathilda flips scum.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #938 (isolation #139) » Wed Jan 06, 2016 4:27 am

I don't see why not.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #939 (isolation #140) » Wed Jan 06, 2016 4:29 am

I mean, it is not against the rules:

3) Lynches will occur when one player has received the majority of votes. You may post during the twilight period between the hammer and the closing of the thread.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #947 (isolation #141) » Wed Jan 06, 2016 4:56 am

Ah, good old twilight WIFOM.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #958 (isolation #142) » Wed Jan 06, 2016 5:14 am

In post 953, Frozen Angel wrote:are you fucking joking me... I just mistaken the one who defended you with someone else....

How is this shit can be considered as a slip? FB claimed scum!

lol

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #961 (isolation #143) » Wed Jan 06, 2016 5:35 am

Firebringer is definitely scummy, but he didn't really scumclaim. His reactions were just bad.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #963 (isolation #144) » Wed Jan 06, 2016 5:36 am

I didn't retract my town read on you.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #964 (isolation #145) » Wed Jan 06, 2016 5:38 am

In post 950, Lowell wrote:@Mathilda,
FTR, a FA/Lowell scumteam would kill you all. Alas, it is not to be. I'll take any of this seriously when I see a flip.

Comments like these make me want to lynch you right away.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #966 (isolation #146) » Wed Jan 06, 2016 6:10 am

Anyway. The scum pool is:

Mathilda, Dierfire, Firebringer, Ira.

If I am missing one scum then Lowell.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #973 (isolation #147) » Wed Jan 06, 2016 9:02 am

In post 968, RadiantCowbells wrote:Twilight will end and night will begin once I can pick up pagetop.

Your obsession with imaginary pagetops is inconvenient.

The page top is not fixed. People are able to show more posts per page, if they want, which alters the posts that appear on the top of the page.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #982 (isolation #148) » Fri Jan 08, 2016 1:22 pm

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #983 (isolation #149) » Fri Jan 08, 2016 1:23 pm

Yeah. The death-tunneling on Mathilda was a big mistake. I wish I had stayed with Dierfire.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #984 (isolation #150) » Fri Jan 08, 2016 1:25 pm

Well, nice of you to join us, Aj, but you were nowhere to be seen during the last days.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #985 (isolation #151) » Fri Jan 08, 2016 1:29 pm

In post 980, Garmr wrote:Sigh matt I told you iron was the better shot.

Or Dierfire. Jesus Christ.

But MattP refused to take any suggestions. Oh well.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #987 (isolation #152) » Fri Jan 08, 2016 1:32 pm

The attack on me is to be expected. It can come from scum and town. Overconfidence obviously backfires.

But seeing that Aj replaced Radja, I think that he is town. Still, he is barking up to the wrong tree. It is easy for him to criticize what happened, since he didn't participate during the crucial days (which begs the question why).

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #988 (isolation #153) » Fri Jan 08, 2016 1:32 pm

In post 986, Aj The Epic wrote:Are you... blind? I'm a replacement for Rajda and I posted plenty towards the end of last day.

No, I am sure I ISO'ed you. You weren't active during that time.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #996 (isolation #154) » Fri Jan 08, 2016 2:25 pm

In post 989, Aj The Epic wrote:Then, take some time to respond to my post because this answer isn't acceptable. Overconfidence is not the issue here. Your constant refusal to give REASON for anything you say is. I'm on a brutal hotstreak right now on catching scum so I'm not going to take this as a replacement for an acceptable response.

I have given reasons. Have you even bothered to search for them in my ISO?

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #999 (isolation #155) » Fri Jan 08, 2016 2:32 pm

Read List D2 V1

(I am going to re-read everyone later. So things might change.)

{AlwaysInnocent}

{Aj, Aeronaut}

{Garmr, Albert B.}

{Frozen Angel}

{Taly}

{iraonavp, Firebringer}

{Dierfire}

AlwaysInnocent · Fri Jan 08, 2016 2:37 pm

What do you mean by "controversial read"?

AlwaysInnocent · Fri Jan 08, 2016 2:37 pm

Why would that make me town?

AlwaysInnocent · Fri Jan 08, 2016 2:45 pm

A. Not true. I do try to explain my reads. Sometimes I present my list before my reasons, but that is just a new (town) tactic I am trying out in several games.
B. Um. If necessary, I try to bring "something new to the table", but in this case it seems you agree with me. So what's the problem?
C. This is basically a repetition of A. What do you mean by "not fluid", though?

AlwaysInnocent · Fri Jan 08, 2016 3:18 pm

In post 1006, Aj The Epic wrote:
In post 1004, AlwaysInnocent wrote:A. Not true. I do try to explain my reads. Sometimes I present my list before my reasons, but that is just a new (town) tactic I am trying out in several games.
B. Um. If necessary, I try to bring "something new to the table", but in this case it seems you agree with me. So what's the problem?
C. This is basically a repetition of A. What do you mean by "not fluid", though?

Everything here was talked about more indepth in my first post which you so easily brushed off and never challenged any part of it.

Um, what? What am I not challenging?

So, what is your read list? Can you give reasons?

AlwaysInnocent · Fri Jan 08, 2016 4:30 pm

Oh, right. Taly is replaced by Dave.

AlwaysInnocent · Sat Jan 09, 2016 3:48 am

In post 1014, Dierfire wrote:
@ABR

In post 991, Albert B. Rampage wrote:I think Dave is scum guys.

Why? I was thinking that the Miller claim becomes more believable when a Cop has flipped.

@AJ

AlwaysInnocent is Town, he's just overconfident and misguided (a dangerous combination).

@AlwaysInnocent

You look overconfident and misguided to me (a dangerous combination). I would like you to reconsider your read on me.

VOTE: Firebringer

If Aero is Mafia then why not vote for him?

No. I should not have moved my vote to Mathilda on D1.

VOTE: Dierfire

AlwaysInnocent · Sat Jan 09, 2016 5:37 am

I agree that we should not end this day too quickly. Let's not bring Firebringer in the hammer range for now. Pressuring him is fine, but we should make the most out of this day.

AlwaysInnocent · Sun Jan 10, 2016 7:09 am

In post 1098, Dierfire wrote:
In post 1096, Firebringer wrote:Thats why it is opportunistic. He saw momentum on you, so he switched to you, then saw that going my way, went my way.

He left a larger wagon for a smaller wagon. That's the opposite of what I would consider the "opportunistic" move.

Why are you defending the people voting for you? I know that scum try to appear like they don't care when people vote for them (since heavy reactions are often considered scummy), but damn.

AlwaysInnocent · Sun Jan 10, 2016 7:14 am

Really? Why?

AlwaysInnocent · Sun Jan 10, 2016 2:51 pm

In post 1120, Firebringer wrote:VOTE: I am Innocent[/vote]

This is where we should be voting.

Not at all.

You are just moving your vote from one townie to another.

AlwaysInnocent · Sun Jan 10, 2016 2:57 pm

That's because you are too lazy to read anything.

AlwaysInnocent · Sun Jan 10, 2016 3:03 pm

In post 1124, Firebringer wrote:
In post 1123, AlwaysInnocent wrote:That's because you are too lazy to read anything.

I get insulted all the time, I have build up a tolerance for people shitting on me.

Come back with original material.

It's not an insult. Just an assessment of the situation.

I can be very lazy, too.

I am starting to think you are town, even though you are voting for me.

AlwaysInnocent · Mon Jan 11, 2016 3:41 am

I didn't found the time to reread so please don't hammer anyone. I'll promise I'll do it tonight

No, we have plenty of time, I think. Don't hammer anyone.

AlwaysInnocent · Mon Jan 11, 2016 9:13 pm

Don't hammer Firebringer yet. What the fuck are you doing?

AlwaysInnocent · Mon Jan 11, 2016 9:15 pm

We have 10+ days! Hammering now is anti-town.

AlwaysInnocent · Mon Jan 11, 2016 9:29 pm

In post 1176, Firebringer wrote:
In post 1172, AlwaysInnocent wrote:Don't hammer Firebringer yet. What the fuck are you doing?

In post 1173, AlwaysInnocent wrote:We have 10+ days! Hammering now is anti-town.

Way to point out the obvious.

Apparently it needs to be said.

Even if you are scum, and I am beginning to doubt this, then we can still use the time to be more certain about the lynch. Now it seems like Frozen Angel wants to rush it for some reason. I don't like that at all.

AlwaysInnocent · Mon Jan 11, 2016 9:31 pm

So someone, unvote Firebringer, please. Bring Firebringer out of the hammer range.

We can lynch him whenever we want. It is important that no-one can quickhammer. We really need this time to sort out our reads.

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Jan 12, 2016 6:37 am

FA you are scum.

That's an awful vote. If FB flips town you are going to eat rope tomorrow.

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Jan 12, 2016 6:38 am

It's not just about FB. It is about getting reads on everybody.

I freaking warned you. Why didn't you listen? Why this anti-town play if you are truly town?

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Jan 12, 2016 6:40 am

Dierfire and FA both scum.

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Jan 12, 2016 6:42 am

You stated intent? So fucking what. A bad vote is a bad vote.

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Jan 12, 2016 6:44 am

Yeah. Derailing a Wagon in twilight. That is totally useful as scum.

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Jan 12, 2016 6:46 am

If you are town, then you better hope that FB is scum.

I will be coming for you if not.

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Jan 12, 2016 6:47 am

Omg.

I wasn't derailing the Wagon at all. I suggested putting him out of hammer range so that nobody would be able to foolishly quick hammer him.

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Jan 12, 2016 6:49 am

And I started to town read him.

You will be coming for me either way? Nice scum claim if FB is town.

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Jan 12, 2016 7:03 am

FA, in contrast to you, I like to prevent possible mistakes, especially after Mathilda. It by the way is completely absurd to suggest that we are scum buddies, especially without a flip.

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Jan 12, 2016 7:07 am

Also, FA, I thought you said you were great at detecting emotions? Surely you don't think I am faking my frustration?

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Jan 12, 2016 7:15 am

My God. I have no words for the nonsense I am hearing.

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Jan 12, 2016 7:17 am

But this is probably your scum play, so I guess it makes sense.

We will have to wait and see.

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Jan 12, 2016 7:43 am

In post 1205, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 1203, AlwaysInnocent wrote:My God. I have no words for the nonsense I am hearing.

You asked for it

pedit : w8 and see? calling me scum in twilight is the best you can do?

your trying hard to show my hammer like an opportunistic scum. well news : I think your the scum who wanted to stop that wagon - or distance himself from it

your already deep down in my list

I don't care where I am on your list. Your play is irrational anyway.

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Jan 12, 2016 7:53 am

In post 1207, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 1206, AlwaysInnocent wrote:I don't care where I am on your list. Your play is irrational anyway.

I hammered my biggest scum read

and suspecting the one who wanted to stop it

irrational ...

Yeah, if you ignore what happened on D1, where I was constantly calling for a Dierfire/Mathilda/Dwlee lynch.

But whatever. Screw facts.

If you think that scum-AI would try to save scum-Firebringer (who does a horrible job of defending himself no matter his alignment), then you are terribly mistaken. It is more likely that if Firebringer is scum, that he is being bussed by, say, Dierfire.

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Jan 12, 2016 7:56 am

In post 1179, Dierfire wrote:I decline to remove my vote.

This is something to remember for after the flip.

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Jan 12, 2016 9:29 am

In post 1215, Firebringer wrote:
In post 1214, Frozen Angel wrote:basically you were intended since you reached L1 and It was obvious ...

Well I am a Even night cop.

Town is completely screwed.

And you didn't even roleclaim when you were about to get lynched? My God.

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Jan 12, 2016 9:31 am

In post 1218, Frozen Angel wrote:I mean your fucking play?

and why in earth you never claimed sooner?

This is why I keep saying that it is really bad play to quickhammer. You didn't even give him a chance to roleclaim.

We could have prevented this. Firebringer's claim is likely true, since Garmr's role is kind of useless without it.

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Jan 12, 2016 9:35 am

In post 1223, iraonavp wrote:That was utterly terrible, FA, I am genuinely pretty upset now after you did that (see, I'm human!).

I hope Firebringer's trolling since even-night cop doesn't make that much sense in a setup (why not just add a cop?). But I honestly am not very sure and would've really appreciated the extra time.

I mean, FA. If you are town and did that then that's just inexcusable. I really hope you're not but my opinion is flipping back and forth.

You are probably scum with Dierfire and FA.

AlwaysInnocent · Thu Jan 14, 2016 3:30 pm

Frozen Angel is probably town then. Still don't like her action, but I guess I am just a bit slow or something.

I figured that Ira had to be town due to his exchange with Firebringer.

AlwaysInnocent · Thu Jan 14, 2016 3:30 pm

After I saw that Firebringer flipped scum, of course. I was less sure of him being scum than some of you.

AlwaysInnocent · Thu Jan 14, 2016 3:31 pm

Dierfire is likely scum.

AlwaysInnocent · Thu Jan 14, 2016 3:32 pm

VOTE: Dierfire

AlwaysInnocent · Thu Jan 14, 2016 4:34 pm

In post 1241, Aeronaut wrote:ABR, how do you feel about AJ?

I hope he likes me.

AlwaysInnocent · Thu Jan 14, 2016 4:35 pm

In post 1239, Aeronaut wrote:What makes you think that, AI?

I will explain later.

AlwaysInnocent · Thu Jan 14, 2016 5:03 pm

Meh. I don't think either of them is scum. It might be Dierfire + Aj after all.

AlwaysInnocent · Thu Jan 14, 2016 5:07 pm

In post 1250, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Uh well I'm pretty sure Aeronaut is the neighborizer like I said yesterday. Garmr claimed bodyguard. One of them has to be lying.

Um. Why do you think Aeronaut is the neighborizer?

AlwaysInnocent · Fri Jan 15, 2016 1:25 am

In post 1285, Frozen Angel wrote:Ok so I reread the day 2 and FB wagon

I can finally see AI as town. sorry for the rampage thing at the end of last day . AI - unless if he isn't a katasha holder ninja [lol] is not FB's partner - based on the way he acted after the FB claim and before that.

I am sorry as well. I kind of overreacted. I was starting to fear that you wanted to rush the lynch because you wanted to lynch a townie and possibly save a scum buddy from being lynched instead.

But as it looks now, it is extremely unlikely that you are scum.