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I'm liking sakura hana for town don't think I need to really expand on why.
I don't find knightmares intial reaction scummy or townie I feel like it's null for early game, Jumping onto another wagon and switching your votes in rvs isn't alignment indicative. His latter talks with sakura seem a bit overly defensive but I don't know knightmare enough to attribute that to a trait. I can see a newer player being defensive but when I went to meta him this is his second game and he hasn't finished the other.
Knightmare have you played on other sites you seem pretty knowledgeable?
also
UNVOTE: lowell
VOTE: lowell
In post 57, Lowell wrote:Oh hey knight is scum. Good find, whoever started this. Early wagons rule. BLOOD!
VOTE: knight
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In post 65, Sakura Hana wrote:Wait what the heck? did you just unvote a person and revoted the same person? what the hell? XD
For the lols
In post 64, Sakura Hana wrote:
P-Edit:Garmr wrote:I'm liking sakura hana for town don't think I need to really expand on why.
What if i want you to expand on why?
Then I would. I'm going to guess you are going to ask.
It's the fact you keeped pushing knightmare for information when you didn't have to while maintaining logical reasoning and supporting your beliefs, it just flows off naturally and not artificial like a scum post would. Even through I disagree with you about it being scummy to switch the vote i can see your thought process and how you got there through your posts.
also what's your thoughts on lowell?
he omgussed me and then jumped onto the main wagon and you said earlier that those votes were making you feel uneasy.-
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In post 69, Sakura Hana wrote:In post 67, Garmr wrote:also what's your thoughts on lowell?
His OMGUS vote was the first thign that caught my attention, but also was accompanied by a defiant tone, thought it was townie back then. Haven't looked at all the votes on the wagon so far, it's just that suddenly sayaka and boon voted in succession and gave me a chill. Probably my gut trying to tell me something.
I still dont think Knight's very townie, but if he is the people that blindly sheeped me would be the first ppl i would look at... I usually have trouble convincing ppl of my reads since they come from gut most of the time, and ppl just blindly sheeping me gives me a bad feeling.
rarely stick and the wagons always seem to fail. I wouldn't be surprised if he got confidence from that. Besides judging from his actions his not going to lurk this game unlike a previous game. Nothing he has done this game rings town to me. The only post of his I actually like is this.
In post 89, Lowell wrote:Well I would argue that knight is impossible to lynch, because as soon as the votes got serious many folks, including you, mysteriously got cold feet.
So you see we have a bit of a catch-22 here. Which hurts my brain. Let's do less thinking and more playing with our hearts... and guts.... kill knight.
But I wouldn't expect him to push this logic since the last game we had just ended recently and this logic I focused on ari who was town which was a factor as to why we lost the game that and johnny sucks at cop.-
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In post 93, knightmare wrote:In post 82, Almost50 wrote:Enough of knightmare to get an initial town lean on him. Sayaka though could use some pressure to get them talking.
Can you explain more please?
VOTE: Sayaka
In post 83, Almost50 wrote:Preliminary town leans: chilled, Garmr & knight. Everyone else is more or less in the null zone.
I don't necessarily disagree with you on those two. Garmr seems to be looking at things objectively but he also strikes me as a strong player generally so I would say my town lean there is cautiously light.I liked chilled's reaction to Sayaka's naked vote earlier, I had similar thoughts to what I'm assuming he did in that instance.
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(this post was written around 298 cause I'm sick of getting ninjaed in my previews. ninjaed.)
Wow this game really bloomed since
So lets get onto some things.
First thing is Sakura hana-Expedience
I find it extremely weird that she is getting scum reads when she oozes town for me. But that aside
In post 124, Expedience wrote:In post 112, Sakura Hana wrote:Funny to see naked votes from the person that hates naked votes and gut reads.
These posts made me thing that you were scum:
In post 39, Sakura Hana wrote:All these people sheeping me are giving me the chills however...
In post 72, Sakura Hana wrote:P-Edit:
Unvote
Ok there's something very wrong with my wagon getting traction so easily.
Your explanation for your unvote is not believable to me.
It seems like you're just turning the tables on everyone who agreed with your (bad) accusation of knightmare, so that you always remain on top.
I also think that 28 is reachy. So if you show me that you were doing RVS things in 28, I'll unvote you.
This is gives her scum reasoning for her unvote yes but It doesn't disprove the town reasoning either. I could really see a town sakura hana unvoting as well. So in my eyes the unvote was null but her well explained thought process's and the fact she seems like she's genuinely sharing her thoughts from makes me believe this slot is town.
I can also see where exp is coming and it is viable that this could of happened but honestly when you combine it with the rest of her behavior I doubt it.
Quick rundown on some individuals.
Since I'm still sorting out the nulls I'm leaving them out.
Town reads
Sakura hana
Sakura hana even through her initial reasoning for rvs was weak she keeped pushing. She is being very vocal and pushing what she wants' Her doubt doesn't come off as fake to me when she unvoted. The only thing I found weird was her post 133 I don't understand it and it seems like she's being a bit of defeatist. After that I think she defends herself pretty well. I also like vote on lowell since lowel is scum in my eyes
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originally a null but after a while in retrospect he appears town. After the wagon on him died down he didn't stop hunting. In fact he hasn't backdown from scum hunting and is extremely vocal I this is a very good indicator for town. His interacting and pushing the game forward and is making a pretty postive environment for town.
Boonskies.
I have a slight town lean on him. Every time I play with boonscum he has been a lurker hidden in the background which you forget about. I have never seen him post like this. Actually I have never seen him post this way as town either to be honest. I think I will take it as him trying to improve his town game. Because he could probably get away with lurking and letting other people take heat it's what his known for.
Expiedence
I have a gut town read on this slot. His logic isn't actually that bad even through I disagree with it because it doesn't really represent the big picture. I would like for him to interact with people other and lay his opnions through
Texcat
This slot seems extremely scummy to me.
In post 265, texcat wrote:I am sympathetic with Lowell and his case on you. Sakura bothers me for two reasons. First her unvote when you attracted the wagon. This does not seem particularly bad though. It was basically an RVS wagon that took off. I can understand her unvote. Second is that she never attracted the Almost50 vote. This is what I was referring to when I said connections that don't mean anything without a flip. If Almost50 flips scum, Sakura would definitely get a scum nod.
Basically Texcat is lining up almost50 slot with sakura's then saying she would still push sakura after a town flip. This seems extremely suss to me as she early she was sheeping sakura's reasoning and pushing it. Also her entire case revolves around sakura being scum buddies with almost 50 yet she would continue pushing sakura despite supporting her actions and then she self defeats her first point.
Lowell
.His omgus on me
.pretty much obvious scum to me from his opportunistic vote knightmare
.his 276 reasoning seems rushed and just thrown to see what sticks.
.278 he cuts off a line of response since he knows the reasoning is weak instead of trying to get people to join his cause. This shows he just wants somewhere to votepark.
.283 This feels like dancing as he doesn't put out a real reasoning for his vote because I went through his iso and there was nothing like that in mh iso. He Pretty much made a fake scum read on the slot.
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Well getting a thought out incase I die tonight. Goodlordwill doesn't give me any kind of good feeling he lacks content in all his posts. Just the way he attacks things he attacks things like how he has attacked the almost50 wagon.
In post 303, Goodlordwill wrote:This almost50 wagon is fucking stupid.
In post 304, Goodlordwill wrote:Like holy shit I cannot believe the reasoning for the A50 wagon.
I seem to be alone here, but I actually don't like Boonskiies' entry into the game. He reads like that uber-jumpy defensiveness that I talked about earlier.
Yet he doesn't give a reason why almost 50 is town.
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In post 399, Madonna wrote:I thought bad vibes were excuse enough to stop a knightmare lynch, so why do they not work with a Lowell lynch?
If people are going to be so fervent in their idea that Lowell is scum, I would like a hammer to help us be clear where players want to stand.
Could be because lowell is scum and knightmare isn't????-
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In post 407, Expedience wrote:Goodlordwill and I are both town.
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In post 416, Sakura Hana wrote:So basically Boon hammers more often than Ika?
Ika is a forbidden name shhh. But jokes aside he got permanent banned for real life stuff that i'm not to sure about.-
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In post 427, knightmare wrote:Give Lowell a chance to claim at least. I think we can wait some time to let Sayana and some of the other players who can't post as often to weigh in. Garmr/Expedience are back so I would like their thoughts.
I'm still very sketched out by Madonna who is suddenly willing to let Lowell take the drop after defending him as strongly as they did. But not enough that I would reconsider Lowell yet. I can't clear him on his play alone (in fact I think he's pretty scummy for it) but Madonna is the next one in my sights.
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In post 437, knightmare wrote:@Garmr - just general stuff about the game. The stuff that happened today, etc.
I felt like 292 was the post you are looking for as that was me trying to get my head in the game and my thoughts onto the forums. If there is something specific you want me to address that I haven't I am ok doing that because that helps me get into your mind and you into mind so we get some understanding and make better judgement then sure I will.
But if you want me to talk find something random about today and talk about it I don't see the point. Since everything I think is important and/or alignment indicative will come up in conversation naturally anyway.-
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In post 454, Expedience wrote:In post 399, Madonna wrote:If people are going to be so fervent in their idea that Lowell is scum, I would like a hammer to help us be clear where players want to stand.
So Madonna, do you actually have a fervent belief that Lowell is scum?
Will agree here we have plenty of time so there's no need for town to compromise lynch in this situation. There's been plenty of people expressing there interest to scum read lowell as well.-
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In post 477, mhsmith0 wrote:In post 476, Boonskiies wrote:@knight - Okay, I get you want Lowell lynched today. I don't. So I'll contribute to a different wagon.
@exp - I disagree with your negative info. There will be more info regardless. To be honest, Lowell at this point is a good information lynch regardless of alignment.
If Lowell is town it means ______
If Lowell is scum it means _______
Any theories? There have been interactions but which strike you as alignment indicative and why?
Lowell isn't town silly but if he was it would mean that I am wrong and I hate being wrong. I don't see it changing much through with my other reads since the lack of reasoning and bouncing around.
If lowell is scum I am right I will get more confidence with my reads. It cements my read on knightmare and It makes me want to examine smith a little closer because that vote seems wrong. It's just like he wants to rest a vote where a wagon won't build and I want to know why smith?-
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In post 498, mhsmith0 wrote:In post 497, Garmr wrote:
... It's just like he wants to rest a vote where a wagon won't build and I want to know why smith?
Why what? I'm sitting at intent to hammer Lowell. Do you mean the a50 wagon I abandoned a while ago?
I'm talking about lowells earlier vote on you it obvious it wasn't going anywhere and it came out of no where with little to no reasoning
In post 276, Lowell wrote:Hey I found one.
VOTE: mhsmith
In ISO, this guy reads a little too "unfrozen caveman lawyer" for my liking. A lot of "I was under the impression..." and "Am I off-base about..."s, like he's asking permission to play the way he wants. Also he's weirdly sensitive about pushing people to L-2. Which, on D1 especially, is a dumb thing to be sensitive about.
Also, boon is town. Am I persuaded of this just because of his obnoxious multi-posts? Yes, yes I am.
and then he tries to shut people up when they inquire about you instead of pushing the lynch.
In post 278, Lowell wrote:Stop asking questions: vote mhsmith. I promise it'll get hilarious as we get close to lynch. I can tell he's the type.
So i'm trying to see why lowell would do that. If he flips scum there has to be a reasoning of sort a deeper meaning I feel it.
If that meaning makes you town or scum is what I will figure out latter.-
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In post 507, mhsmith0 wrote:@a50: walk me through expedience. "I don't want a quick hammer" seems reasonable to me. What pings your radar there?
@garmr: so your operating theory is that he knew he was toast and was distancing? I actually see how that could make sense.I read it more as "target the newbie" than anything else...But obviously "Nuh uh" isn't likely to convince you. Feel free to flesh it out before day end, long with any other "Lowell as scum means ___" theories you think make sense.
The scum side of It is more like this "he was distancing and in case you or him got lynched in the future it could be used as a distancing tool, basically laying down ground work."
But I realized the town side of it to which is why I said I would want to look closer.
It's weird how you are treating it like it wasn't yourself in this post but I don't think that's alignment indicative and more likely a play style habit.-
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In post 590, Expedience wrote:In post 588, Garmr wrote:Still prefer lowell lynch to a madonna lynch but oh well.
Just because of ego or is there more to this? You've mentioned this multiple times but seem reasonably convinced that both are scum.
Probably influenced by last game as well,ego and tbh I feel a little more confident on lowell.-
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In post 609, chilledtea wrote:I also didn't really like Garmr's subtly coming in andsaying he liked Lowell's lynch, but was okay with Madonna's lynch. He never participated in the lynch.
Also, I am sorry for giving only 12 hours. I have learnt that these games have to be played with way more patience than what I originally anticipated.
In post 614, chilledtea wrote:I didn't like lowell much on day 1. He needs to contribute a lot more. I can get a clearer read on him.
All he did was "lynch this guy".
Incidentally Madonna read Lowell as town. So there was no manipulation involved there.Not saying that makes Lowell town, but I will give him a chance. Let him come and put forward his ideas regarding the game.
At the moment my vote would be on either texcat or goodlordwill. Since texcat already has a vote on her, I will join the wagon.
VOTE: texcat
In post 629, chilledtea wrote:Spoiler: Post 565
Spoiler: Post 574 where you voted
Something seems wrong about this.
Like I can't put my finger on it. Something just seems wrong about reading the contradiction, saying that one of lowell and madonna are scum, and then voting madonna by giving the contradiction as a reason.
Why are you voting lowell now?
In post 636, chilledtea wrote:VOTE:
VOTE: Lowell
This guy still hasn't answered my question. I will park my vote on him for some time.
These actions don't compute. He is passively giving excuses not to vote lowell but then puts his vote on lowell for not answering a question something is not right.-
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In post 663, chilledtea wrote:In post 661, Garmr wrote:you were not you are sorry.
If this is directed at me, then I don't understand this.
Ignore this. It's nothing to do with this game.-
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In post 659, Garmr wrote:@chilledtea
Why did you change your vote on texcat to lowell? Youwere (not you are)building a case on Texcat (post 629) and then you suddenly shifted to lowell. Why is lowell scummy to you and why did you drop your case on tex and do nothing to push lowell after dropping it?
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In post 662, chilledtea wrote:In post 659, Garmr wrote:@chilledtea
Why did you change your vote on texcat to lowell? You are building a case on Texcat (post 629) and then you suddenly shifted to lowell. Why is lowell scummy to you and why did you drop your case on tex and do nothing to push lowell after dropping it?
All of this happened a few hours ago.
The vote change was mostly because texcat was on L-4 at the time and seemed intent on defending herself. Lowell was nowhere to be seen. So I voted lowell. I mean I indicate as such by calling it vote parking.
The vote change was mostly because texcat was on L-4 at the time and seemed intent on defending herself.
Why does texcat intent to defend herself make her undesirable to vote if you think she is scum???
All of this happened a few hours ago.
Lowell was nowhere to be seen. So I voted lowell.
These two don't mesh especially after you said you want to see what lowell does.
I mean I indicate as such by calling it vote parking.
Why do you shift your vote to lowell to park when you had a scum read on tex and could of left your vote on her because l-4 is quite the distance away from l-1?-
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In post 686, Expedience wrote:In post 659, Garmr wrote:@chilledtea
Why did you change your vote on texcat to lowell? You are building a case on Texcat (post 629) and then you suddenly shifted to lowell. Why is lowell scummy to you and why did you drop your case on tex and do nothing to push lowell after dropping it?
Do you think Lowell is scum?
I been thinking it over and I'm not really to sure anymore.-
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In post 690, Expedience wrote:In post 688, Garmr wrote:In post 686, Expedience wrote:In post 659, Garmr wrote:@chilledtea
Why did you change your vote on texcat to lowell? You are building a case on Texcat (post 629) and then you suddenly shifted to lowell. Why is lowell scummy to you and why did you drop your case on tex and do nothing to push lowell after dropping it?
Do you think Lowell is scum?
I been thinking it over and I'm not really to sure anymore.
Is it because of him softclaiming?
In post 588, Garmr wrote:Still prefer lowell lynch to a madonna lynch but oh well.
You seemed like you wanted to lynch Lowell over Madonna yesterday, I expected you to push him today.
I admit the soft claim is a part of it. Just chilled teas interactions with lowell kind of urk me as well. I'm trying to sort out things in my head.-
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In post 694, Lowell wrote:In post 684, Garmr wrote:Lowell are you trying to draw out a claim?
Honestly? Yes, I guess? Now that I'm thinking about it maybe it's not a good idea.
And my theory, btw, is that tex makes sense as a person to roleblock. He was cagey on D1, but not TOO obvious a target that scum would avoid having him make the kill. That, plus his being suspiciously MIA today make me think someone blocked him.
If no one wants to claim this, that's fine, but if said person ends up dead this will be pointlessly lost information. But yeah, if it were me, I'd be jumping up and down taking credit for blocking a NK. It'd be worth a 1 for 1 trade, esp given the blocked nightkill. But whatever.
Why do you think it's a roleblock and not a doctor? Going to be honest here I have only honestly seen people call out roles in such a obvious way as town before (including myself) So you kinda have that going for you now.-
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In post 700, chilledtea wrote:In post 696, texcat wrote:In post 662, chilledtea wrote:In post 659, Garmr wrote:@chilledtea
Why did you change your vote on texcat to lowell? You are building a case on Texcat (post 629) and then you suddenly shifted to lowell. Why is lowell scummy to you and why did you drop your case on tex and do nothing to push lowell after dropping it?
All of this happened a few hours ago.
The vote change was mostly because texcat was on L-4 at the time and seemed intent on defending herself. Lowell was nowhere to be seen. So I voted lowell. I mean I indicate as such by calling it vote parking.
I realize that Garmr already pursued this, but this post just stands out to me as scum yelling, "I'm just going for an easy lynch, I don't care who actually gets the rope."
Hmm. What do you think is the chance of lowell getting lynched because of this particular wagon?
Also, you are scum.
VOTE: texcat
VOTE: Chilledtea
I was considering what you since I wasn't really happy with your answer. But this shows you only backed off texcat because she was defending herself not because you town read her.-
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In post 704, chilledtea wrote:Garmr and texcat are both scum.
Both are giving bs reasons as explanations.
I specifically said
In post 630, chilledtea wrote:Shouldn't you be more sure of Lowell being town if one of lowell and madonna were scum and you had read madonna's contradiction?
In post 633, chilledtea wrote:I mean, can a person miss something like that? I caught it immediately and thought that was a very good catch by you. Even though it turned out to be that Madonna is town.
I guess it is not something we can verify at the moment.
In post 636, chilledtea wrote:VOTE:
VOTE: Lowell
This guy still hasn't answered my question. I will park my vote on him for some time.
Where did I specify that texcat is town? I never did.
Huh That's why I was hesitant in voting you in the first place becuase I was under the impression you may of thought tex cat defence was legit and you thought she was town. If that's not the case can you tell me the town motive to back off texcat who was defending herself. You were getting her to open and getting information out of her why would you stop that?-
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In post 706, chilledtea wrote:In post 705, Garmr wrote:In post 704, chilledtea wrote:Garmr and texcat are both scum.
Both are giving bs reasons as explanations.
I specifically said
In post 630, chilledtea wrote:Shouldn't you be more sure of Lowell being town if one of lowell and madonna were scum and you had read madonna's contradiction?
In post 633, chilledtea wrote:I mean, can a person miss something like that? I caught it immediately and thought that was a very good catch by you. Even though it turned out to be that Madonna is town.
I guess it is not something we can verify at the moment.
In post 636, chilledtea wrote:VOTE:
VOTE: Lowell
This guy still hasn't answered my question. I will park my vote on him for some time.
Where did I specify that texcat is town? I never did.
Huh That's why I was hesitant in voting you in the first place becuase I was under the impression you may of thought tex cat defence was legit and you thought she was town. If that's not the case can you tell me the town motive to back off texcat who was defending herself. You were getting her to open and getting information out of her why would you stop that?
Because there was nothing else I could ask her at that time. We reached a dead end. It was a tie.
Also lowell was acting strange and I wanted more input from him to properly read him. I don't see it as necessary that you must vote a person whom you are considering as fence-scum or null or whatever.
Why did you think I took away the vote from texcat? I didn't have much to go on at that point on her. I don't see how you reached the conclusion that she is town in my eyes. Also she was on L-4 and I rather pressurize Lowell than vote park on a person whom I am getting null reads from at that point.
Wait you were null reading her then after she started questioning you started scum reading her again. That's like a premature omgus and not to mention you started scum reading me because I voted you?
Also what is bullshit that you couldn't ask her anymore questions that's fucking pathetic you finally got her to talk and you only posted 2 or 3 points and you had nothing left to talk about despite the fact you could of asked her about her reads,thoughts on the madonna wagon anything ect. Hell you could of even asked other people to jump on the wagon to add more pressure to texcat to see how she would react.
Like you said the time frame with giving lowell a chance to lowell vote was a couple of hours for the input seems really weird. Also you saying that lowell was acting strange wasn't even your original reasoning for voting him it was "him ignoring you and cutting off his chance for doing that despite having plenty of time "(I would of gave 2-3 days if I was giving some a chance due to the fact we all have real lives). The fact you are changing events makes is a really bad sign.
The reason I thought you were town reading tex is because you didn't choose to pursue her after switching the vote or even say anything about your read on her when pushed on why you switched vote so I assumed the only logical reasoning was you were town reading her because of her defense since you mentioned that it played a part in your unvote. A townie would continue pushing her with a scum or null lean to try and sort her out not leave her alone due to some inconvenience of it being to difficult to push.-
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In post 708, chilledtea wrote:Spoiler:
Obviously you don't know what a townie would do at that time. You aren't a townie.
Asking bs questions like yours isn't what a townie does. A townie carefully looks at a situation and sees if there is any doubt in his mind regarding several players. If there is a doubt they ask the question regarding the doubt.
This is almost scum-claim at this point from you. Why would I ask a question just for the sake of asking and creating discussion? There are several people I am interested in, not just texcat. Also, incredible simplification and in general misrepping of the events that happened between me and texcat. Texcat said that I am "jumping wagons" because of one vote switch. The said wagon on Lowell isn't even that serious and will not catch speed. The texcat wagon was actually far more serious, which is the reason why I removed my vote from it to make lowell talk.
In post 668, chilledtea wrote:I mean, are we really arguing over why I changed my vote? Texcat came and defended herself and I couldn't pursue her more at that point. Maybe she is scum, but there is nothing as far as I am aware that would indicate such.
Lowell's lack of participation and general ambiguity makes me think voting him would always be a better move.
"Maybe she is scum"
This was some time back now.
Sorry to burst your bubble but I am town.
Asking bs questions like yours isn't what a townie does. A townie carefully looks at a situation and sees if there is any doubt in his mind regarding several players. If there is a doubt they ask the question regarding the doubt.
are you fucking kidding me are are you fucking kidding what were all my post between 654 to 666 you dunce.
This is almost scum-claim at this point from you. Why would I ask a question just for the sake of asking and creating discussion?
To try and sort out your null read to try and get something to slip fucking basic mafia logic something you learn in newbie fucking games.
There are several people I am interested in, not just texcat.
This means nothing if all your going to do is vote park on lowell. Fuck you could even of pressured him with some post a case after your vote but you pretty much just park it and do fuck all about him.
Actually now I look at this the timeline went diffrently from what I remembered.
In post 623, chilledtea wrote:
Lowell what made you change your mind regarding your scum reads? What made texcat suddenly scummy?
Lowell I want an answer to this.
In post 636, chilledtea wrote:VOTE:
VOTE: Lowell
This guy still hasn't answered my question. I will park my vote on him for some time.
I was under the impression that lowell voted/posted somewhere between here but isn't the case at all. That's why giving lowell a chance doesn't compute. Becuase like you said it was only a couple of hours. This jsut shows me you didn't want texcat to back fire on you.
Also, incredible simplification and in general misrepping of the events that happened between me and texcat. Texcat said that I am "jumping wagons" because of one vote switch. The said wagon on Lowell isn't even that serious and will not catch speed. The texcat wagon was actually far more serious, which is the reason why I removed my vote from it to make lowell talk.
I'm not missrepping a thing. Crying misrep when no misrep has taken place is a scum tell for someone who can't defend themselves because they have been caught. If you thought the lowell wagon isn't serious why would you jump off the serious wagon which you had a null-scum read on to a null wagon that you believe wouldn't pick up because that pressure excuse is horrible L-5 wouldn't pressure anyone lol. If you don't expect a lowell wagon to take off then why vote it instead of pushing him even more verbally because despite claiming to pressure him you have done nothing of the sort after...
That also puts your jump on to texcat in a bad light since the lowell wagon picked up.-
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In post 709, chilledtea wrote:Look, I don't tolerate bs reasons.
I realize that Garmr already pursued this, but this post just stands out to me as scum yelling, "I'm just going for an easy lynch, I don't care who actually gets the rope."
This is completely and utterly nonsense. No one is going for a lynch with lowell wagon. Texcat is making up reasons over here, nothing else. She is scum.
Also, something like this for changing one vote? From texcat at the beginning to lowell after the interrogation with texcat. Really? Jumping wagons are you serious?
Look, I don't tolerate bs reasons.
Look, I don't tolerate bs reasons.
Look, I don't tolerate bs reasons.
Looooooolll you obviously don't read your own posts.-
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In post 713, chilledtea wrote:All right, I am getting angry at this point.
I don't want to get into a swearing contest with you. I am not going to RQS on day 2. I will play the game the way I want.
And that includes not asking bs questions like yours.
RQS wtf these are game relevant random question stage are question that aren't even relevant to the game Like what is your fave colour. Stop trying to sound smarter than you are while trying to brush me off at the same time it pisses me off.
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In post 714, Garmr wrote:In post 713, chilledtea wrote:All right, I am getting angry at this point.
I don't want to get into a swearing contest with you. I am not going to RQS on day 2. I will play the game the way I want.
And that includes not asking bs questions like yours.
RQS wtf these are game relevant, random question stage questions are questions that aren't even relevant to the game Like for example "what is your fave colour." Stop trying to sound smarter than you are while trying to brush me off at the same time it pisses me off.
Your flail is real.
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In post 717, chilledtea wrote:If others think there is merit in Garmr's case, then I will answer them. I feel like garmr is just trying to deflect attention from texcat's case at this point. So I won't be answering him because he is genuinely making me angry.-
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In post 717, chilledtea wrote:If others think there is merit in Garmr's case, then I will answer them. I feel like garmr is just trying to deflect attention from texcat's case at this point. So I won't be answering him because he is genuinely making me angry.
Your deflecting from answering anything because you can't because you know you are caught. Why do you even play mafia if you act like this?-
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In post 716, chilledtea wrote:In post 714, Garmr wrote:In post 713, chilledtea wrote:All right, I am getting angry at this point.
I don't want to get into a swearing contest with you. I am not going to RQS on day 2. I will play the game the way I want.
And that includes not asking bs questions like yours.
RQS wtf these are game relevant random question stage are question that aren't even relevant to the game Like what is your fave colour. Stop trying to sound smarter than you are while trying to brush me off at the same time it pisses me off.
Your flail is real.
Hey, I am NOT GOING TO ASK QUESTIONS ARTIFICIALLY.
What is difficult to understand in that?
You're flailing so badly with this strawman.-
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In post 727, Expedience wrote:VOTE: Garmr
I actually read the posts and it's just stuff like "if u were town u wld be more openminded!! where is town motivation??", and it's reachy and dumb.
I felt like Garmr was scum during n1 after Madonna was lynched from the way he was saying he would rather lynch Lowell based on not much, yet he still supported lynching Madonna (since it occured to me that both were probably town). And now like, I dunno, he sees an easier target (chilledtea) and suddenly drops his scumread on Lowell (who he had been tunneling all game)? To be completely fair I could see this coming from town, but it still makes me suspect him.
In 292 he reads Sakura, knightmare and I all as town and I remember it throwing me off a bit, but I think it should've been something that made me look more intently at him. I read the post again and he calls me town while saying that my push on Sakura is bad, even the way that he says it sounds really concilatory.
So can you actually make a point as to how I am scum?
Disagreeing with a town read isn't scummy I do think your points on sakura were null and her overall behaviour reminded me of town at best you even ended up agreeing with me so wtf are you saying now you should have enough experience to know something so basic?
And now like, I dunno, he sees an easier target (chilledtea) and suddenly drops his scumread on Lowell (who he had been tunneling all game)? To be completely fair I could see this coming from town, but it still makes me suspect him.
Can you tell me how chilled is a easier target than lowell when lowell had the biggest wagon on him and no one besides me is pushing chilled? Also saying that you can see it coming from town kinda negates any point you made using that line of reasoning.
The Madonna reasoning is meh as it doesn't point to me being scum all it was was me trying to push the lowell wagon more at the time because I thought lowell was more scummy than madonna. You also thought both were scummy and so did many other people and also didn't other people stay on the lowell wagon as well?
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In post 733, Expedience wrote:In post 732, Garmr wrote:In post 727, Expedience wrote:VOTE: Garmr
I actually read the posts and it's just stuff like "if u were town u wld be more openminded!! where is town motivation??", and it's reachy and dumb.
I felt like Garmr was scum during n1 after Madonna was lynched from the way he was saying he would rather lynch Lowell based on not much, yet he still supported lynching Madonna (since it occured to me that both were probably town). And now like, I dunno, he sees an easier target (chilledtea) and suddenly drops his scumread on Lowell (who he had been tunneling all game)? To be completely fair I could see this coming from town, but it still makes me suspect him.
In 292 he reads Sakura, knightmare and I all as town and I remember it throwing me off a bit, but I think it should've been something that made me look more intently at him. I read the post again and he calls me town while saying that my push on Sakura is bad, even the way that he says it sounds really concilatory.
So can you actually make a point as to how I am scum?
Disagreeing with a town read isn't scummy I do think your points on sakura were null and her overall behaviour reminded me of town at best you even ended up agreeing with me so wtf are you saying now you should have enough experience to know something so basic?
I think you were trying to manipulate me.
And now like, I dunno, he sees an easier target (chilledtea) and suddenly drops his scumread on Lowell (who he had been tunneling all game)? To be completely fair I could see this coming from town, but it still makes me suspect him.
Can you tell me how chilled is a easier target than lowell when lowell had the biggest wagon on him and no one besides me is pushing chilled? Also saying that you can see it coming from town kinda negates any point you made using that line of reasoning.
If you were scum, you would think it was because Lowell was softing a power role, or because the wagon on him was dying.
Town can claim scum, but it's something more likely to come from scum.
The Madonna reasoning is meh as it doesn't point to me being scum all it was was me trying to push the lowell wagon more at the time because I thought lowell was more scummy than madonna. You also thought both were scummy and so did many other people and also didn't other people stay on the lowell wagon as well?
Well, you stood out to me. It was as if you'd mhch rather lynch Lowell when you were claiming to only be slightly more sure that Lowell was scum.
I don't see any valid point presented as to why I would be scum.
That's okay, I'm not asking you to vote yourself.
1.I was disagreeing with you and trying to show my point view.
2.The wagon on him isn't dead yet as he was the top wagon and a majority of people still scum read him and if I was scum I could easily push there today with out much repercussion. If he flips scum I get town cred if he flips town the people that jumped with less reasoning than me would get the axe before I would. Also I could of pushed lowell at that point to find out what it was with no issues due to my stances yesterday.
3.We had heaps of time left we weren't even halfway through the day why should I compromise and hop on lower priority scum lynch when I could push the higher one and still have a chance of lynching that.
4.Yeh but how will you convince others to jump on my lynch if you don't provide a reasonable explanation as to why I am scum to others that's just pure lazy exp.-
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In post 760, texcat wrote:n the middle of the night before Madonna had a chance to claim. I find that scummy. And I think that was to protect scum-mate Lowell.
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In post 769, chilledtea wrote:My top two would be garmr, texcat. The third one isn't very strong - but if needed lowell.
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In post 771, Expedience wrote:So you can demolish his arguments, leaving you the sole victor and proud owner of Zero Well-Reasoned Scumreads? You can argue any stance, I'm sure.
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In post 772, chilledtea wrote:In post 770, Garmr wrote:In post 769, chilledtea wrote:My top two would be garmr, texcat. The third one isn't very strong - but if needed lowell.
Can I ask why you think I am scum and it better not be because I voted you.
You nitpicked my playstyle. If I don't ask more questions to texcat I am scum.
I absolutely cannot see that as reasonable from any angle. The discussion that was going on had something to do with the fact that texcat voted Madonna while giving similar reasons to Sakura on day 1. I found it fishy and decided to start the day with the vote on her. The situation reached a stalemate because she said she didn't notice Sakura Hana's reasons earlier on during day 1 and only saw it when she was going through Madonna's ISO. There was no way to verify this, so I stopped and decided to focus my attention to lowell. One of the ways I do it is by using my vote - anyone at that point using an argument that I was jumping wagons is a very big scumspect in my eyes. While I don't think you did that, texcat did.
Your argument that the only reason I could have removed my vote from texcat at the very early start of day 2 is because I town read her is wrong. It wasn't just a simple unvote - it was a transfer of vote to lowell.
By the way, I am pretty sure that among the few people who did try to engage lowell today, I was one of them.
Your vote hasn't got much to do with this.
You nitpicked my playstyle. If I don't ask more questions to texcat I am scum.
I pointed out scum motive in your actions and couldn't find possible town reason in it thus not nitpicking your game style.
I absolutely cannot see that as reasonable from any angle. The discussion that was going on had something to do with the fact that texcat voted Madonna while giving similar reasons to Sakura on day 1. I found it fishy and decided to start the day with the vote on her. The situation reached a stalemate because she said she didn't notice Sakura Hana's reasons earlier on during day 1 and only saw it when she was going through Madonna's ISO. There was no way to verify this, so I stopped and decided to focus my attention to lowell. One of the ways I do it is by using my vote - anyone at that point using an argument that I was jumping wagons is a very big scumspect in my eyes. While I don't think you did that, texcat did.
I don't think you get the point. No one arguing you are scum because you jump wagons (well I'm not). Look from a outsiders point of view who has no information.
Person A: shift unvotes a scum read to go to a null read
Person B:asks why you did that
Person A: responds because I want to vote park on person d and person c was defending herself.
Person B: assume that arguing is taken as a town point by person B.
Person C: Says she finds Person A unvote suss and wants to interragote person A a little
Person A shifts vote to person C again in a omgussy reaction.
I am person B and that's how saw events play out. If you were a outsider How would you see this?
Your argument that the only reason I could have removed my vote from texcat at the very early start of day 2 is because I town read her is wrong. It wasn't just a simple unvote - it was a transfer of vote to lowell.
But there's more to my reasoning than just that it was the language and your behavior. Also earlier you said that texcat became null but this implies you were still scum reading texcat. It seems really inconsistent with other explanations.
By the way, I am pretty sure that among the few people who did try to engage lowell today, I was one of them.
Your vote hasn't got much to do with this.
Yeh it hasn't got much about how much you engaged with lowell.-
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In post 774, Expedience wrote:Truly endless salt.
Yes, yes you are lol. Post 771 Show hints of it.-
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In post 779, texcat wrote:In post 776, Garmr wrote:In post 774, Expedience wrote:Truly endless salt.
Yes, yes you are lol. Post 771 Show hints of it.
Huh? I don't understand this.
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In post 780, Almost50 wrote:More nominees please? At least Garmr & Expedience should be able to provide their respective top 3 scum reads.
quick summaries then.
Lets see
Chilled tea- you can see in the past couple of pages why.
Boon-I originally thought because he was more active than he usually is was a sign he was trying to improve his town game since he hardly gets voted as scum but these last couple of pages make me feel diffrent. I don't like how he was trying to threaten me by linking me to tex cat while buddying me at the same time.
In post 742, Boonskiies wrote:Garmr, if you and texcat are scum together, bus your buddy now please. Texcat is scum, we can lynch you tomorrow instead of today, okay? See, if you think about it, I'm actually protecting you.
Chilled, if texcat flips town, I'm coming hard after you tomorrow.
In post 744, Boonskiies wrote:Yeah, but Garmr is always like this too.
I really don't like being buddied.
Expedience
Once I started pushing chilled he basically chainsawing for chilled. Then when his reasoning were ever debunked or shown as null he starts having a hissy fit like he wants to keep his vote on me with no reasoning he wants a excuse to vote me.
In post 771, Expedience wrote:So you can demolish his arguments, leaving you the sole victor and proud owner of Zero Well-Reasoned Scumreads? You can argue any stance, I'm sure.
Basically shows his salt and his incompetence at being unable to find a good reason to fake scum read me.-
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In post 789, Expedience wrote:Sakura, when you return, please vote Garmr. Will you do that for me? Make sure not to make any wagon speed arguments, though!
Why you should vote Garmr
- The shitty misrepresentation of chilledtea, and he always argues with any criticism of him or his posts using poor and scummy rhetoric (these are like protective clauses so that he can't answer back)
- Opportunistic vote on me after I call him out as scum, and he always argues with any criticism of him or his posts using poor and scummy rhetoric
- His push on Lowell evaporates when d2 begins, even though he wanted to lynch Lowell over Madonna yesterday, and he always argues with any criticism of him or his posts using poor and scummy rhetoric
- On d1 weirdly he read you, knightmare, and I all as town even though we argued with no legitimate explanation why, and he always argues with any criticism of him or his posts using poor and scummy rhetoric
- I asked you to, and he always argues with any criticism of him or his posts using poor and scummy rhetoric
So basically anything I debunked you rule out as scummy rhetoric?
Also Lieing about me voting you-
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In post 866, Expedience wrote:I mean, you can't really go back on the "lel lets hard townread and chainsaw defend each other" it now.
So you admit to chainsawing for chilled.
Pedit
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