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VOTE: Psyche hi! you dont know me, i am a lurker. i have somewhat of a forum-crush on you

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hi light gamma maria

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has anyone actually played 11p before

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is it buddying if im voting you
is it buddying if im town
is it buddying if youre scum

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huh
this is fine

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not really actually

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is it buddying if im voting you
is it buddying if im town
is it buddying if youre scum

shameless mind games

it was supposed to be a co-operative game though

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shameless mind games[/quote]

That's a stretch.

You're not really that much of a n00b are you?

he is like this
we just finished a newbie game

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Actually raskolnikov, looking at your posts per day you are anything but a lurker, so what's up?

it was referring to another part of the forum

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fuck quotes and their dodgy implementation

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This game died before it got started.

vote: rask

L-2

Let's hurry up and lynch him before he returns for the lulz.

so is this a read or are you saying you're doing it because the game died

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normally i do lurk rvs though because i need like an absurd amount of content on someone to feel any degree of confidence
but i guess im obligated to do something now

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actually
everyone should weigh in on whats happening right now

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Oh thank god a speed game this is what i needed

no comment?

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now im bored
someone talk to me

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well, this is technically a wagon
if nothing else people can comment on this now

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not a pointless question
clarifying ambiguity like that is important

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Raskolnikov, what can you tell me about Light_Ganski?

she has one post which was expected
if she didnt rvs me after what i did to her that game and said nothing it actually wouldve been weird

what are you thinking asking this though
its like gear what can you tell me about gerryoat?

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yeah
but like talking about her stylistically before she plays the game doesnt do anything
except make her self conscious

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Maria what are your thoughts on this game?

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Three people have said think of it as an RVS lynch and this concerns me.

well
go on

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VOTE: mariar

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actually pretty sure this is scum

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ill try to explain because this might actually be complicated to understand
but maria's view on the gamestate doesn't make sense

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maria youre complaining about the gamestate in an exaggerated (look at me im upset!) way
but also not doing anything that would change the gamestate or get it started

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like you didnt ask anybody any questions or anything

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im like theres enough in the game for some judgements by now
i already have some townreads

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Feel free on talking why you think I sr Gerry for now I'm gonna go play some video game's ta ta

but if the game is full of filler, dragging out to deadline and mafia will certainly win why wait to do that though

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what does that even mean

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what im saying is, you had a sr and you were bored but didnt feel like getting that going until i pressured you?

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actually pretty sure this is scum

Interesting really? I want to say I don't really care but I somewhat do most likely cause I somewhat hold your opinion higher than others
Why do you think I could be scum.

what does that even mean

You're smart rask you should know what I mean

what im saying is, you had a sr and you were bored but didnt feel like getting that going until i pressured you?

hmmmm...Sure we can go with that answer for now

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Good answer I didn't sr you what so ever Rask just wanted discussion started so I did lets move along now shall we

Rasks sr on me I understand because the logic behind it is sound even if it's a misunderstanding I except them to unvote me soon you sound like you just nitpicked at a statement trying t act like you gave good reasoning for said vote

so first of all theres like an implicit assumption that im town to begin with and not malicious in pushing you
but youre also acting as though im a decent player who should easily read you after last game where my reads were total garbage which i dont get
so idk if its buddying or what

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acting as though youre toying with me and being intentionally opaque isnt exactly making me comfortable you know

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you arent exactly subtle
but knowing what would be the town motivation for it also doesnt mean it isnt still fake
assuming i do understand your motive though you should then understand mine for waiting here then

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VOTE: light
ive been waiting for you this entire time

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actually, im feeling an obligation to move this game
or maybe its because i have other things that i should actually be doing
stay tuned

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WHOAAAAA THAT WAS SCUMMY AS FUCK RASK
Mind explaining why you were waiting?

my problem is i like to read people in their natural state
which means some of the people im most interested in i have to leave alone
and keep observing

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that said im going to do the opposite now since this is getting boring

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@BYF the only thing i get from your posts so far is some interest regarding maria but you havent talked to her or asked anything

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@gerryoat go into jake if you will
also any comment on maria here
if im reading between the lines right youve played her offsite too?

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@light_ganski your posting feels a little fluffy. Mind expressing some more thoughts on the game state?

Sure thing.

Townteam is ecane and maria. Gammaemerald looks okay too. First few pages were mostly shitposting, but psych and jake from state farm didn't come too well out of it IMO, people wanting to RVS lynch piss me off. IGMEOU raskolnikov, you've played with me before and you know how easy a lynch I am.

heh
an unfortunate side effect of killing you night 1 that game though is that i dont actually know you as much as id like

so i didnt like your lack of initiative and saying you were concerned but not bothering to do anything about it
a fan of the townhunting approach though

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can you go into ecane?
you said you didnt understand the votes for maria so im wondering how you townread her for it

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gerryoat you didnt answer my question on maria

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can you go into ecane?
you said you didnt understand the votes for maria so im wondering how you townread her for it

The vote looks like misguided town, 140 through 144 look super TvT to me and are a reason I am town reading Maria as well. Not sure that scum would be ballsy enough to vote 3 different people in their first 6 posts either. Do you think there's scum motivation there Rask?

not really, though i dont share your super TvT judgement there either
but it was interesting that you townread him when you didnt follow his maria vote and he disagreed with you on the rvs wagon stuff

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a fan of the townhunting approach though

My town hunting approach really isn't perfect, case in point last time I played with you you were my strongest townread and now I'm getting myself tied up in knots because you look pretty townie, but I though the same of you last time we played together and I was so wrong then, I feel like my gut is wrong now too ugh

in general its really good if youre strict and careful not to give people undeserved town
ive lost games when i clear people through things like bad setup speculation or because their inherent style appeals to me instead of their actual thoughts
how you address me here is a little AtE-ish but i dont think you'd do that intentionally
cough maria cough

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VOTE: gerryoat
ignores my question
is friends with maria and doesnt bother sorting her through their engage, doesnt even seem interested
no evidence of reads developing

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actually i think i should have naked voted
every time i give good reasoning people just sheep and dont add anything

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@mod vc please

im giving you this pagetop

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why do you guys even sign up to play

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I must have missed your question, I don't see it anywhere

ill give you the benefit of the doubt here
to see all of someones posts use the ISO function above posts or at the bottom of the thread
here though

@gerryoat go into jake if you will
also any comment on maria here

i want to know why you dont seem to care about sorting her at all given your history and your last game
maria at least gave a super basic judgement about you from how you answered her

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i might be a genius with this new off-the-wall theory i have
posting this now so i can point to it postgame if correct

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lets not bring race into this

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Rask, why haven't you asked Psyche of anything? You ask for useful content, and he is not contributing any. This also applies to Jack, who even voted me for not contributing.

one person at a time

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that's a good observation from you though

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i dont think i was asking everyone for useful content
you may have mixed me up with someone else
i focus on a few people at a time

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nonetheless its good of you to ask because it means youre actually looking at me and the approach is realistic trying to see connections in the game to your pre-existing scumreads
i was wondering how psyche himself would interpret me not saying anything of him but you bringing it up first is pretty interesting

unless im overthinking it

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do you have any scumreads maria?

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Umm iso jake, and look at all their posts. Everything seems very weak, and I don't see any effort in finding mafia. Their focus has completely switched to me since I voted them. Also about Maria, I think she's just being null so far. I've play with maria all the time, and I havent seen any towntells or scumtells so far, so that's why I havent said anything.

thats kind of basic
thing is you seem to have wrote him off really early with conviction
as opposed to interacting with him or wanting more information

okay, what about the wagon on you then
how do you feel about that

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@Jaack how certain are you of BYF scum over gerryoat?

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I can't say why I did tr Yoshi but it's gone now.

If I explained the reasons behind it it would be quite easy to take advantage of

explain it anyways

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im sorry that wasn't a request

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you're going to regret this

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I can't say why I did tr Yoshi but it's gone now.

If I explained the reasons behind it it would be quite easy to take advantage of

Are you gonna vig shoot me by all means take your best shot.
Otherwise I don't think I'll be regreting much

i blatantly threatened you in a way you shouldnt like and your mind went to town/vig

assuming you're town though lets try to be reasonable
if you explain the reasoning of such a thing it cant really be taken advantage of because it would be clearly known that it's out there as an influence to future behaviour
the only valid concern would be that you'd have one less tool you could use as a tell but that should be really minor

fmpov, you retracted your townread after asked of it while people started to voice suspicions of BYF
i think from how you said it, people would almost never follow up and force you to out it
which makes it a really safe way to retract the stance
you have barely anything explaining your reads and now with how you can kind of afford to never explain this one
i dont know if it was ever real

the thing in general is people have to give up some information about themselves
you trade peeks into your thought process so people can judge it and read you, and in an ideal world correctly
and this read is also relevant with whats going on right now and would potentially help others there
although it matters more about you really
if you're town i highly doubt the value of your reasoning here is what youre making it out to be
and you'd have passed on a good opportunity for me to read you because of it
alternatively as scum you'd have to retcon so theres no incentive to put effort into cooperating
because refusing would normally be really safe, easy, and some people would probably like the attitude

now, if you so happen to get in a situation where you have to explain everything under threat of lynch
you would have to answer everything anyways
but early cooperation would be better if town because its more voluntary and can be trusted more
because you would have had less time to possibly retcon
and since your actions suggest you strong townread me if you are town you shouldnt even have a problem working with me to help me read you

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wait its just meta on BYF himself?

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I don't understand what you mean but I try not to out my meta on everyone yes

if you're asking why I had a tr on BYF It was all meta and something he was doing but that's really it

that actually explains a few things

i want you to go into a read that isnt from meta though

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pretty confident he means jake over jaack and is referring to
294 295
it actually makes sense

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what do you think about gerryoat

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I don't understand what you mean but I try not to out my meta on everyone yes

if you're asking why I had a tr on BYF It was all meta and something he was doing but that's really it

i have another question
ive seen you explain meta on someone when asked to before
and BYF doesn't seem to be someone you know like a gerryoat or anyone else you play with from EM, i can definitely understand holding close meta for those
so im not sure why youre that cagey about this in particular, like literally acting as though you'd rather die

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you're also viewing from third person and should see it a little more detached
i feel like in that situation if you're town you'd have to be really strong-townreading someone if you don't feel anything malicious there
to counteract the bias which would usually be there
which to be fair is still okay for her because she had me as a townread earlier
importantly her response since then made sense with it as well
her matching isn't that significant but if she failed it would be very significant if that makes sense

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I do think people are focusing on the wrong thing where instead of saying I backed off yoshi because of meta I could've done the easy way quoted a few posts and jump on the yoshi is scummy bw

how do you feel about this game right now?

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i think there's some confusion around this specifically
BYF mentioned having a jake scumread in an offhand way after he switched to focusing on jaack
basically like "I was kind of feeling this but now jaack and gerry are better"

At the moment, Jaack's reaction to 302 seems it but over-the-top to me. I don't feel like going into deep detail on a phone, but because of Jaack's post I have scumreads on both him and Gerry now. By the way, my initial scumread was Jake, but I am putting that aside now because I have a stronger read.

which actually makes sense as a weak read which he kept to himself and then discarded and went to do other things
like its only being brought up and dug into now because hes getting grilled over it
and i can understand him looking bad answering it now because its kind of asking him to explain a weaker/fringe read from earlier which he seemed to since change his mind on
which is supposed to not sound strong considering he went on to pursue jaack and gerry over it
i don't know BYF beyond a townlean but im pretty sure this particular thing wasnt an attempt at being manipulative
since it wouldnt even be a thing out there if it wasnt seemingly forced out of him

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manipulating you or manipulating people against you?

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i would definitely see it if he voluntarily pushed that
maybe voted or said it out loud
but in this situation it looks like if no one asked him to explain he would never have even said anything about it

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okay imagine you want to cast shade on someone so you set up an interaction like that
you worked and came up with reasoning against someone
do you just keep it to yourself and do other things hoping people ask about that so you can bring it up? whats the point
it doesnt look like he planned to go into it and i dont see the value of him preparing it and then just focusing elsewhere and not intending to use it

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@Jake 322 is what prompted him to go into it i think, see combined ISO of jaack/BYF also
also he seemed to warm up to jaack scum in 303 agreeing with gear's post before you expressed your read
the point about low pressure and vote usage is valid and its why im not entirely sure on him either but it also applies to gerryoat, maria and psyche

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its not so much that I townread him as opposed to not thinking his interaction with jake isn't as bad as he makes it out to be
thing like how you said he followed your read to buddy you when it looks like he started there before you said anything doesnt really hold water
his actual engage with jaack has been pretty mediocre but i was going to wait and see what he said next there

similarly maria is arguing the opposite in byf town but her logic is terrible
because there's a big pool of {gerryoat, psyche, light, ecane} who've been low pressure/activity and haven't commented
and the judgement she makes is like assuming that not one of those could be a partner because they'd have sprung into defending instantly

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maria who do you think is scum?
you've been fine with like everyone all game so far

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Gear what conclusion did you come to on jaack then?

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psyche your catchup is weird
how did you write it

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some statements are like you talking to yourself and left open ended which makes it look like personal notes
but they aren't personal notes because most of it is written with presentation in mind

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i'd actually appreciate some votes on gerryoat btw
i want to see what happens
pressure on maria would be good too

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I expected some big sr

when psy when in fact it's clear he wasn't reading the thread because my Gerry vote was because he was my friend ans I wanted to see his rxn

what does this mean
are you saying you scumread psyche for this or you expected other people to scumread him for this?
or you expected him to scumread you for it?

and why are you voting jake?

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and BYF is your top townread now
because of wagon dynamics?

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what was your meta read on him originally
its important to me because i want to know if its the same thing that i got when i looked at him
you're unlikely to play with him again anyways

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i could see why you scumread gamma
but explain me and jake

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Unvote jake
iraonvp is most convinced on gamma scum but wants to lynch jake on like entirely association or something
gerryoat is probably scum and has inexplicably wanted jake gone from rvs
psyche's vote was left on from rvs and he doesnt even scumread this

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calm down and wait for next VC, we have almost a week and we're not flashlynching
maria, gamma please vote with me

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psyche unvote before someone hammers

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okay everyone listen up
i think jake is town because when i talked with him its like he tried to understand my point and reconsidered his position
i know almost none of you agree but i want some of you to trust me on it
in the majority of my games now ive see most scum are actually on sidelines and fringes just watching eager people tear each other apart
i believe at most one of the more active players is scum and i don't have confidence to choose
but we're in situations where people are fighting to the death and people are assuming one side has to be scum
which i think probably end up with return lynches on the other next day which potentially even worse

ive seen this tendency in my own play, to only focus on whats in front of me and so i just let the nullish kinds skate by
i want people like gerryoat psyche and light to have more pressure on them
i want gear and jaack back to comment on all of this
and maria to be more transparent with where she's getting her super confident reads from

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then vote a null

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these past couple of hours have been so stupid

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i'd like to explicitly request no-one protects me tonight

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i think iraon is probably town and ecane was good too but lynching most active person in the game because of a day 1 association is so incredibly stupid

for the record i still think gerryoat is scum but i really wanted that wagon to see how light and especially would react
i think being an 11p it's more likely 2 scum than anything else and I'd wager it is 2 of {gerryoat, light, maria}
i actually think when light unvoted psyche with that shitposting town judgement to vote gerry was a potential partner tell WITH gerry and i wanted to see if she'd eventually back off if that wagon got going
but we'll never know all of these things
im least sure on maria but even that wagon would have been great to see how she responded and gerryoat consdering their history

we had 6 more days to try things but its gone

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really quick check of iraon has him trying this another replace game and lynching scum so i guess he feels really confident and justified with the approach

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the worst part of it all is that tomorrow is 100% iraon vs gamma shitshow 1v1 if today has been an indication

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I'm pretty sure you're not dying Rask

ill never trust you either FYI
you act really innocent but i know you love to gloat like this half the time

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if youre town im sorry for giving you all this shit so far for nothing though
to be fair i held myself back from voting you a bunch of times today because i don't want to be biased or salty from it but ehh

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see youre not actually the slightest bit fazed
always so cheeky about it
i think you like it when people are uncomfortable with you
you enjoy it

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Not even close to true I like a challenge but I don't like people being uncomfortable with me like for example if I ever flipped IC I'd prob sub out (maybe) I just don't want to hold you back by feelings of grudge or salt because of games so I'll always try to keep a smile on my face

I'm not gonna be like "Oh my god you're sring me because of grudge!"

I'm not fazed of getting sr because I feel quite confident in myself this game

oh okay then
fair enough