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Jake from State Farm Survivor
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I'll explain.In post 298, Gear wrote:I don't think that Jake's rationale for why psyche warrants votes makes any sense. He thinks that psyche warrants votes, but Jake doesn't want to vote him since it feels like a policy lynch, and psyche might be town, but Jake also thinks that pressuring people to contribute is a waste of time.
Why would psyche warrant votes - Jake doesn't think he's scum, doesn't want to policy lynch him and doesn't want to pressure him to contribute.
Psyche is hands down the scummiest person in the game right now so it makes sense people want to vote him. That's what I mean by he warrants the votes. I personally don't believe his actions are an indication of scum so I'm not going to be voting him. Time is better spent voting the person you think is scum.Robbed of a scummy for what had to be the best unvote in mafiascum history.
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Gear Goon
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Jaack, your comment to Yoshi "So I can't make judgements on players I've never played with before?" seems over the top to me. Yoshi telling you that Maria's play could be from scum-Maria, is just him warning you to be cautious with your read on her. What do you think was scum!Yoshi's motivation here? You also attacked Yoshi for not being interested in why you are town reading Maria, well, it seems to me that it would make more sense for you to explain why you are town-reading her, and see what Yoshi has to say, but that's just me. I'd also like to see where you think that Yoshi has been trying to shut down discussion.Typically V/LA weekends-
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@ecane - what are you thoughts on psyche? Shitposter or scum? And have you got any thoughts on Yoshi?
@everyone - what are people thinking about Rask? Because I'm reasonably sure she's town but I'm still caught up over the last game I played with her and I feel like I'm missing something here
Why not sharing?In post 295, BigYoshiFan wrote:I'm getting a scumread on someone, not sure if I feel comfortable revealing yet. Are you comfortable enough to share? Perhaps if it's the same person I'll feel more comfortable sharing.-
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Jake from State Farm Survivor
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you actually never said gerry was a good scum candidate and your reasons for yoshi loop like you are reaching for something. So can you go back to gerry for a second. Tell me why you think gerry could be scum.In post 226, Jaack wrote:As I said before, I think gerry is a pretty good scum candidate, but right now I'm leaning yoshi as the scummiest.
I really don't like 154-he didn't even ask why I was leaning town on maria, just that I shouldn't be townreading her. 174 is another scummy looking thing. He claims neither to have seen anything noteworthy, and he doesn't show any interest in changing that. Everything from yoshi so far has either been meaningless fluff or more oriented towards shutting down discussion as opposed to promoting it.
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VOTE: BigYoshiFanRobbed of a scummy for what had to be the best unvote in mafiascum history.
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Jake from State Farm Survivor
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look*Robbed of a scummy for what had to be the best unvote in mafiascum history.
Sometimes I get heated and don’t realize it. If I get like this please somebody tell me to take a break and chill out. Thanks in advance.-
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Jake from State Farm Survivor
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vote: jaackRobbed of a scummy for what had to be the best unvote in mafiascum history.
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Jaack Goon
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Now that gear has done more recently could you expand a little there?In post 279, light_ganski wrote: Gear hasn't said an awful lot really, though I'd like to know why he was interested in mine and Rask's history. Town side of null, not much else to say yet really.
As for yoshi, I didn't notice until I ISO'd him but I'd like him to elaborate on 154, why he thinks Maria looks scummy. As I've said Ive got a reasonable townread on Maria so I'd like to know what he sees as scummy in her. 171, 231 and 232 seem to be him complaining about how it's difficult to read people this early on, and whilst I understand that sentiment he must of picked up on something worth commenting on further than 'that could've come from scum Maria'. He's asked a couple of okay questions after that but overall, a weak scumread, but would need to see more to solidify that.
I thought that yoshi's comment showed very little interest into why I was townreading Maria. He wasn't making any effort to show me where I was wrong or anything. His later explination in 231 shows no indication why he thought my town read in particular was worth commenting on. It wasn't a particularly strong read, and its not until 281 that yoshi can come up with a reason why my slight-townread on maria was worth singling out, which is an explination that contradicts 231. First it was because he didn't like early reads at all, but then it's because Maria's a good player.In post 302, Gear wrote:Jaack, your comment to Yoshi "So I can't make judgements on players I've never played with before?" seems over the top to me. Yoshi telling you that Maria's play could be from scum-Maria, is just him warning you to be cautious with your read on her. What do you think was scum!Yoshi's motivation here? You also attacked Yoshi for not being interested in why you are town reading Maria, well, it seems to me that it would make more sense for you to explain why you are town-reading her, and see what Yoshi has to say, but that's just me. I'd also like to see where you think that Yoshi has been trying to shut down discussion.
It feels more like yoshi wanted to comment on Maria (who was the topic at hand) but wanted to avoid much fanfare.
Now look at yoshi's play since then. 173 simple reaffirms 154 without further explination. 174 is worthless and pretty blatantly anti-discussion. 231 is completely conciliatory to me after I started pushing him further. Note here that 173 is similarly backing away from confrontation with Maria.
In general, it feels like yoshi was trying to avoid making waves. That's why he basically conceded everything to me in 231 when I initially voted for him, and it's why he spent a good amount of time focusing on psyche recently.
But let's look at how yoshi approached the whole psyche-thing. He says psyche is 'shitposting-town" in 234, asks like 4 different people about psyche, votes for him, but never once asks psyche any questions directly. All in all, it looks like he's trying to draw attention to psyche's lack of content - which is obvious - but he's not trying to do anything about it. And then 295. I can understand trying to keep your reads close to your vest (although I don't endorse it) but the way he does it is scummy. It looks to me like he want to follow someone else's reads and logic.
All in all, yoshi looks like someone who's trying to avoid making waves. He concedes basically everything to someone else.
While I may not have come right out and said it, I did pretty heavily imply I thought gerry was reasonably scummy, just I liked gear less at the time. I liked your initial questioning of gerry (141) in regards to his reaction to Maria's vote.In post 307, Jake from State Farm wrote:In post 226, Jaack wrote: you actually never said gerry was a good scum candidate and your reasons for yoshi loop like you are reaching for something. So can you go back to gerry for a second. Tell me why you think gerry could be scum.In post 153, Jaack wrote:I'm not sure I like what Maria's been doing all that much, but I don't think it's coming from scum.
Still like my gear vote.Think Jake might be on to something with gerry.
As for gerry now, I didn't like his reasoning in 280 all that much in regards to you (jake). His reasoning is vague, aside from the part about you focusing on him, which still fails to explain his initial scumread/vote on you, since it came afterwords.
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I'm becoming more and more convinced that yoshi is scum. Gerry is probably my number 2 now.
Gear's recent stuff with regards to me looks ok to me, so he's out of my scumpile for now.-
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At the moment, Jaack's reaction to 302 seems it but over-the-top to me. I don't feel like going into deep detail on a phone, but because of Jaack's post I have scumreads on both him and Gerry now. By the way, my initial scumread was Jake, but I am putting that aside now because I have a stronger read.-
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Jake from State Farm Survivor
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that's a huge wall that I don't have time to read on my phone atm. I did skim the part that you posted after you quoted my post and I don't think you even heavily implied anything about gerry. The only post I saw was where you said you liked where I was headed with regards to me questioning him but I wasn't scum reading gerry at the time so agreeing with my questioning doesn't mean you are scum reading somebody.
so did I miss a post somewhere? can you link or quote the post where you heavily imply it?Robbed of a scummy for what had to be the best unvote in mafiascum history.
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I can't say why I did tr Yoshi but it's gone now.
If I explained the reasons behind it it would be quite easy to take advantage ofI bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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1. Gear's stuff seems okay even though Gear is defending me, AND Gear voted Jaack.In post 310, Jaack wrote:
Now that gear has done more recently could you expand a little there?In post 279, light_ganski wrote: Gear hasn't said an awful lot really, though I'd like to know why he was interested in mine and Rask's history. Town side of null, not much else to say yet really.
As for yoshi, I didn't notice until I ISO'd him but I'd like him to elaborate on 154, why he thinks Maria looks scummy. As I've said Ive got a reasonable townread on Maria so I'd like to know what he sees as scummy in her. 171, 231 and 232 seem to be him complaining about how it's difficult to read people this early on, and whilst I understand that sentiment he must of picked up on something worth commenting on further than 'that could've come from scum Maria'. He's asked a couple of okay questions after that but overall, a weak scumread, but would need to see more to solidify that.
I thought that yoshi's comment showed very little interest into why I was townreading Maria. He wasn't making any effort to show me where I was wrong or anything. His later explination in 231 shows no indication why he thought my town read in particular was worth commenting on. It wasn't a particularly strong read, and its not until 281 that yoshi can come up with a reason why my slight-townread on maria was worth singling out, which is an explination that contradicts 231. First it was because he didn't like early reads at all, but then it's because Maria's a good player.In post 302, Gear wrote:Jaack, your comment to Yoshi "So I can't make judgements on players I've never played with before?" seems over the top to me. Yoshi telling you that Maria's play could be from scum-Maria, is just him warning you to be cautious with your read on her. What do you think was scum!Yoshi's motivation here? You also attacked Yoshi for not being interested in why you are town reading Maria, well, it seems to me that it would make more sense for you to explain why you are town-reading her, and see what Yoshi has to say, but that's just me. I'd also like to see where you think that Yoshi has been trying to shut down discussion.
It feels more like yoshi wanted to comment on Maria (who was the topic at hand) but wanted to avoid much fanfare.
Now look at yoshi's play since then. 173 simple reaffirms 154 without further explination. 174 is worthless and pretty blatantly anti-discussion. 231 is completely conciliatory to me after I started pushing him further. Note here that 173 is similarly backing away from confrontation with Maria.
In general, it feels like yoshi was trying to avoid making waves. That's why he basically conceded everything to me in 231 when I initially voted for him, and it's why he spent a good amount of time focusing on psyche recently.
But let's look at how yoshi approached the whole psyche-thing. He says psyche is 'shitposting-town" in 234, asks like 4 different people about psyche, votes for him, but never once asks psyche any questions directly. All in all, it looks like he's trying to draw attention to psyche's lack of content - which is obvious - but he's not trying to do anything about it. And then 295. I can understand trying to keep your reads close to your vest (although I don't endorse it) but the way he does it is scummy. It looks to me like he want to follow someone else's reads and logic.
All in all, yoshi looks like someone who's trying to avoid making waves. He concedes basically everything to someone else.
While I may not have come right out and said it, I did pretty heavily imply I thought gerry was reasonably scummy, just I liked gear less at the time. I liked your initial questioning of gerry (141) in regards to his reaction to Maria's vote.In post 307, Jake from State Farm wrote:In post 226, Jaack wrote: you actually never said gerry was a good scum candidate and your reasons for yoshi loop like you are reaching for something. So can you go back to gerry for a second. Tell me why you think gerry could be scum.In post 153, Jaack wrote:I'm not sure I like what Maria's been doing all that much, but I don't think it's coming from scum.
Still like my gear vote.Think Jake might be on to something with gerry.
As for gerry now, I didn't like his reasoning in 280 all that much in regards to you (jake). His reasoning is vague, aside from the part about you focusing on him, which still fails to explain his initial scumread/vote on you, since it came afterwords.
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I'm becoming more and more convinced that yoshi is scum. Gerry is probably my number 2 now.
Gear's recent stuff with regards to me looks ok to me, so he's out of my scumpile for now.
2. His whole reasoning is from one encounter between himself and me.
3. I really don't care why you are townreading Maria, but I think it's inaccurate to make one of her this early.
4. What are you trying to say about Maria and me?
5. Regarding Psyche, I am trying to get him to contribute. I would post when I have tried, but there are too many (and too obvious) to be honest.
6. So you're willing to completely ignore Psyche even though he has made absolutely no contribution.
7. What did I concede to you? You said I was being inactive, and I became more active.-
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thats kind of basicIn post 280, gerryoat wrote:Umm iso jake, and look at all their posts. Everything seems very weak, and I don't see any effort in finding mafia. Their focus has completely switched to me since I voted them. Also about Maria, I think she's just being null so far. I've play with maria all the time, and I havent seen any towntells or scumtells so far, so that's why I havent said anything.
thing is you seem to have wrote him off really early with conviction
as opposed to interacting with him or wanting more information
okay, what about the wagon on you then
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explain it anywaysIn post 314, MariaR wrote:I can't say why I did tr Yoshi but it's gone now.
If I explained the reasons behind it it would be quite easy to take advantage of-
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light_ganski she/herMafia Scumshe/her
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Gear's posts still feel really flat to me, and I struggled to get my head round 298 - when he's made detailed posts they seem a little obfuscating. Slight scum read for now.
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@yoshi do you have issues with town reading Maria early on specifically or do you have issues with people developing town reads early in general.
Personally think that post about Gerry from rask is pretty good. I feel like any player who's suspicious of another would be trying to interact with them. not to mention some of the stuff he says isn't even accurate and the stuff that is isn't alignment indicative.
If he or anyone else wants content from me. Here I am. Just ask.Robbed of a scummy for what had to be the best unvote in mafiascum history.
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Jaack Goon
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Lots to respond to.... here is the non-yoshi half:
That is where I implied I was leaning scum-gerry, but reading my own post, I can understand if you didn't read it that way.In post 313, Jake from State Farm wrote:that's a huge wall that I don't have time to read on my phone atm. I did skim the part that you posted after you quoted my post and I don't think you even heavily implied anything about gerry. The only post I saw was where you said you liked where I was headed with regards to me questioning him but I wasn't scum reading gerry at the time so agreeing with my questioning doesn't mean you are scum reading somebody.
so did I miss a post somewhere? can you link or quote the post where you heavily imply it?
I'm pretty convinced that yoshi is scum and it would take a lot to convince me otherwise. Gerry, on the other hand, is merely more likely to be scum than not.In post 317, Raskolnikov wrote:@Jaack how certain are you of BYF scum over gerryoat?
After this set of respnses, I'll work on a full reads list so I don't just tunnel in further on this yoshi mess.
So you are scumreading all of yoshi, gear, and gerry? Since you're voting gerry, I assume that is your strongest read, but correct me if I'm wrong.In post 319, light_ganski wrote: Gear's posts still feel really flat to me, and I struggled to get my head round 298 - when he's made detailed posts they seem a little obfuscating. Slight scum read for now.-
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And the yoshi half.
If you're initial scum read was Jake, then why did you ask him this:In post 312, BigYoshiFan wrote:At the moment, Jaack's reaction to 302 seems it but over-the-top to me. I don't feel like going into deep detail on a phone, but because of Jaack's post I have scumreads on both him and Gerry now. By the way, my initial scumread was Jake, but I am putting that aside now because I have a stronger read.
If you were scumreading Jake, why would you askIn post 295, BigYoshiFan wrote:I'm getting a scumread on someone, not sure if I feel comfortable revealing yet. Are you comfortable enough to share? Perhaps if it's the same person I'll feel more comfortable sharing.himthis, as opposed toliterally any other player. And you're also going to need to explain why you were scumreading Jake, even if you are walking it back now.
1. That question wasn't intended for you, but okay.In post 315, BigYoshiFan wrote: 1. Gear's stuff seems okay even though Gear is defending me, AND Gear voted Jaack.
2. His whole reasoning is from one encounter between himself and me.
3. I really don't care why you are townreading Maria, but I think it's inaccurate to make one of her this early.
4. What are you trying to say about Maria and me?
5. Regarding Psyche, I am trying to get him to contribute. I would post when I have tried, but there are too many (and too obvious) to be honest.
6. So you're willing to completely ignore Psyche even though he has made absolutely no contribution.
7. What did I concede to you? You said I was being inactive, and I became more active.
2. I don't know what this has to do with anything.
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Sure you don't care.In post 231, BigYoshiFan wrote: Overall, I don't like reads being made this early in the game. Of course, you can make them, but I won't see them as very accurate. You're though, I should have asked why you had townread her. I'm sorry I have not made an effort to promote discussion within this game, I'll try to do that now. I'm busy weekends. :/
4. I'm trying to say that I think you're scum because your initial post regarding Maria (154) was scummy. Maria has little to do with that.
5. No, but you are trying to make it look like that. You've asked four different playersaboutpsyche, but you have yet to ask psyche anything. You did vote for him in 257, but you had previously called him town in 234, so it's not like that vote was going to accomplish something.
6. I see no point in wasting my time with a player I'm not going to get any worthwhile response out of. I'd rather spend my time on more fruitful endeavors.
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Like every single line of this post is conceding to what I had said earlier.In post 231, BigYoshiFan wrote: Overall, I don't like reads being made this early in the game. Of course, you can make them, but I won't see them as very accurate. You're though, I should have asked why you had townread her. I'm sorry I have not made an effort to promote discussion within this game, I'll try to do that now. I'm busy weekends. :/-
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No.In post 318, Raskolnikov wrote:
explain it anywaysIn post 314, MariaR wrote:I can't say why I did tr Yoshi but it's gone now.
If I explained the reasons behind it it would be quite easy to take advantage ofI bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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