Mini 1836: Space Mafia (Game Over)

TwoFace · Mon Oct 24, 2016 2:40 pm

Doesn't matter. You're getting lynched today

TwoFace · Mon Oct 24, 2016 11:10 pm

In post 2176, Toto wrote:Grapes still doesn't answer my questions about trading. Is anyone else bothered by that?

I don't know what question you're talking about

TwoFace · Tue Oct 25, 2016 3:02 am

In post 2145, PantherPunt wrote:Was it someone else that accused toto of being coached?

that would have been "mr. friendly neighbor" who did that

TwoFace · Tue Oct 25, 2016 8:24 am

You are just going to ignore this anyway but others can see it.

In post 2194, gerryoat wrote:As I said, the one person who can read me knew I was town. She is dead and confirmed town now. Why can't you guys believe her? I don't get it.

She said this about you

In post 619, MariaR wrote:I thought he was asking if Gerry was a liability he does nothing on day 1 legit always but he starts trying on day 2

It's day 2 and you haven't started trying yet

If she was alive and saw you doing the same thing you were doing day 1, do you honestly think she would still have the same town read? I don't

TwoFace · Tue Oct 25, 2016 8:25 am

In post 2199, gerryoat wrote:So basically, you're gonna ignore it even though I'm right?

so it's ok for you to ignore me even though i am right, but it's not ok for others to do it?

TwoFace · Tue Oct 25, 2016 8:57 am

In post 2206, gerryoat wrote:twofaced you're either really bad or maf, so i wouldnt be laughing

why is that? for correctly calling you out on something you did that was really scummy? The fact that you won't even respond to it doesn't make you look any better.

if you just made a mistake, i'd expect you to just own up to it and move on but you haven't.

so no I don't suck at mafia and I am not scum but i suspect you are. If I am wrong and you are somehow town, that won't be on my head. That will be your own fault.

TwoFace · Tue Oct 25, 2016 9:03 am

In post 708, MariaR wrote:What I am doing is I know this is what Gerry does on day 1 and it is out right NAI for him so I'm not going to lynch him If gerry did something that pinged me the wrong way would I lynch him? Of ***ing course I would but he hasn't

Gerry start's trying after the first flip it's just how he plays
and while I see better lynches on the table (like Zach) I see no reason in pushing Gerry

here is the best synopsis of Gerry's play from maria that I can find.

I bolded the part I think is most relevant.

Maria isn't here so we can't guess as to what she thinks of his play day 2, but everyone else alive can make their own determination.

Has gerry started trying after the first flip(s)

I say NO he hasn't.

TwoFace · Tue Oct 25, 2016 9:39 am

But he's attacked Dunn. He won't really give any reason for it but he's tried to get Dunn lynched

TwoFace · Tue Oct 25, 2016 10:46 am

In post 2220, Naomi-Tan wrote:I guess I kinda pity him?

Give me some thoughts on my 2167.

TwoFace · Tue Oct 25, 2016 10:49 am

I didn't slip nor did I act like I didn't know the numbers. That was legitimate

TwoFace · Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:06 am

But he's not even responding to it. He's not admitting he's made a mistake. He instead just ignored it and downplays it.

Why would any townie do that? They wouldn't.

TwoFace · Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:08 am

And blasphemy saying it isn't great. Nobody has posted any reason that's better than anything else posted for a reason why somebody is scum

TwoFace · Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:19 am

In post 2237, Naomi-Tan wrote:
In post 2234, TwoFace wrote:But he's not even responding to it. He's not admitting he's made a mistake. He instead just ignored it and downplays it.

Why would any townie do that? They wouldn't.
Because its not related to red hunting? He made a mistake and dropped the issue.. it happens? I've done it a few times where I didn't really have anywhere I was going with something and just let it go..

You made a mistake and refused to admit you made it and belittled the attacker and ignored it completely as town? Link?

TwoFace · Tue Oct 25, 2016 2:27 pm

Just throwing this out there that I actually think Gerry/Dunn are scum together. I fee pretty good saying Dunn wasn't roleblocked which is odd as shit statement to make and doesn't really make any sense to me as I say it, but I absolutely believe it to be true unless pip didn't submit a night action

TwoFace · Tue Oct 25, 2016 2:28 pm

In post 2244, Naomi-Tan wrote:Guess there was also my vote on you late yesterday when I got frustrated at you..

Why aren't you voting anyone?

TwoFace · Tue Oct 25, 2016 2:41 pm

Cause deadline is in 3 and a half days and I don't want to NL again

TwoFace · Tue Oct 25, 2016 2:49 pm

The moment he said you weren't roleblocked made me think about some things. Made me ask some questions.

I actually believe Gerry even though I think he is scum. I don't think you were blocked. I'm pretty sure of it actually

TwoFace · Tue Oct 25, 2016 3:01 pm

If Gerry flips scum which I expect him to, I don't think people are going to lynch you next. Nobody is going to agree with me about my theory and TBH I don't blame them cause it's kind of out of left field.

TwoFace · Tue Oct 25, 2016 4:42 pm

You don't have to understand it. Just wanting it out there in case gerry's buddies try to take me out after he's lynched.

TwoFace · Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:38 pm

Well you certainly are entitled to your opinion. I feel pretty good about my read on you though. You've done nothing useful all game and you outright lied about me. I'm calling it a lie and not a mistake because if you were town who made a mistake you would have corrected yourself when it was pointed out you were wrong.

Obviously I don't buy your claim either. We'll see how wrong I am post game.

TwoFace · Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:57 pm

I'm happy to trade 1 v 1 with scum.

TwoFace · Wed Oct 26, 2016 1:33 am

In post 2261, Xkfyu wrote:
In post 2250, TwoFace wrote:The moment he said you weren't roleblocked made me think about some things. Made me ask some questions.

I actually believe Gerry even though I think he is scum. I don't think you were blocked. I'm pretty sure of it actually
The "he" in the first sentence refers to Gerry?

Where did Gerry say that Dunn wasn't roleblocked?

Yes he is Gerry and I swear I saw him say that but I can't find the post now. Somebody definitely said Dunn wasn't RBd. I'll have to go back and look who that was

TwoFace · Wed Oct 26, 2016 1:48 am

still can't find it, maybe I was dreaming or something. ok disregard that and i'll remove my dunn read for now

TwoFace · Wed Oct 26, 2016 2:19 am

^ good theory

TwoFace · Wed Oct 26, 2016 5:47 am

Why discuss something that isn't true?

TwoFace · Wed Oct 26, 2016 5:49 am

He's not flipping town. Nothing about his play looks town.

TwoFace · Wed Oct 26, 2016 6:03 am

Why is it likely? How on earth is he town? Explain in as much detail as possible

Make sure to cover how if he's town how he managed to falsely accuse the wrong person while ignoring the person who actually did it.
Naomi tried and failed. Maybe you can do a better job since you're so sure he's town.

TwoFace · Wed Oct 26, 2016 7:10 am

See, you want me to drop my opinion and listen to yours and that's all you can give me?

TwoFace · Wed Oct 26, 2016 7:20 am

nah you were definitely more on the green side of things with regards to gerry.

unvote

for now.

I was feeling good about gerry up until you're vote.

TwoFace · Wed Oct 26, 2016 7:25 am

I'll probably vote gerry again but I want somebody town reading gerry to actually answer the questions I directed towards zach.

Gerry, you can feel free to answer them also.

if I can't see a compelling reason why he is town, I'll know my original read is correct and i'll gladly hammer

TwoFace · Wed Oct 26, 2016 7:31 am

In post 2233, Naomi-Tan wrote:gonna tell ya the truth. its not great. Not in an alignment way. Just generally... on its own it helps plot your two interactions but you missed the catalyst which was the original post that was thought to be yourself. I don't find it rather redish just kinda dumb on garry's part.. like.. If you was red. what would persistently using that do? given that everyone can look it up and see your lying.. nothing.. so.. it only really makes sense in Green! which although dumb isn't red.. if that makes sense.

this is you basically saying his actions point to green not red

TwoFace · Wed Oct 26, 2016 7:45 am

So I went and skimmed the 2 scum games I could find for gerry and his play here is different. That means that either gerry is scum and he's playing different or for some reason he is playing anti-town but is actually town. smh I don't know what to do anymore.

TwoFace · Wed Oct 26, 2016 7:50 am

He looked like he was trying to appear town, where as here he isn't trying to look like he is town

TwoFace · Wed Oct 26, 2016 8:04 am

yeah I hate it also and tbh I wouldn't have even thought to look at it but when naomi is trying to convince me that gerry is town and now does a 180 and puts him at l-1 and asks for a claim (which isn't how it works) and denies trying to convince me. I got the heebie jeebies

TwoFace · Wed Oct 26, 2016 8:33 am

idk. I mean for the sake of a more enjoyable game i'll still lynch gerry and part of me still thinks he could be scum, I am just not as sold as I was an hour ago.

TwoFace · Wed Oct 26, 2016 8:42 am

where did panther disappear to?

@xf, why was gerry scum to you again?

why do you doubt scum has a role blocker? If your claim is legit town has vig, role blocker, and tracker. That's a lot of claimed roles.

who did you block btw?

TwoFace · Wed Oct 26, 2016 8:44 am

oh you blocked pip? yeah that makes sense. ok so you are probably role blocker. just don't know if mafia or town blocker

p.edit - yes I can, I didn't see your post cause I hit submit twice cause there were too many p.edits

TwoFace · Wed Oct 26, 2016 8:51 am

In post 2303, gerryoat wrote:Currently I think (Towfaced

no but seriously.

can you please answer the question I have been trying to get you to answer for ever? why did you accuse me of the thing that massive was doing?

it's a very simple question

TwoFace · Wed Oct 26, 2016 8:53 am

well you aren't really reading either so...

can you link me to one of the times? cause I don't ever remember seeing you answer it. Just that you were going to ignore it and other things like that

TwoFace · Wed Oct 26, 2016 8:57 am

In post 2309, gerryoat wrote:
In post 437, TwoFace wrote:
In post 433, massive wrote:
In post 431, gerryoat wrote:How am I not gonna be any help for town? So you'd rather lynch someone that will get no clues as to who is town or maf rather than lynching a potentially scummy person? That doesn't seem like a town mindset.
Yes. If you are town, you will be a liability for the rest of the town if we let you live to endgame. "Town mindset" isn't JUST about finding scum, it's also about making sure you can convince others to lynch them once you find them, and so far you're not doing any of either.
I'll actually agree with this. From what I can tell Gerry is more often a liability to town instead of helpful. The vote on you this game is actually a good example. There was no good reason for it at all.
You called me a liability and you were BW on what he said. Which made your intent to vote me in the future very clear

I said you were more often a liability. Later on in the game I said I don't policy lynch people. so no I had no intentions of voting you unless I thought you were scum.

massive however gave very clear intentions that he plans to lynch you before lylo and that didn't bother you.

do you see why I was confused?

TwoFace · Wed Oct 26, 2016 9:02 am

In post 2313, gerryoat wrote:I was voting massive until you started saying that and being bad. Don't try and butter up to me now. I said that like 5 times, your fault if you didn't read. TwoFaced is back in scumpool for that weak appeal.

you clearly aren't reading. massive gave the intent to vote you. I never did.

you made a bunch of posts saying I was doing WHAT MASSIVE ACTUALLY DID.

i'm done with you. you just proved my point yet again. If you are town you are a fucking liability. Just like your other town games. You played piss poor that you got lynched as a power role day 2. You lied about having a result on a townie which started a domino effect and ended up costing town the game.

TwoFace · Wed Oct 26, 2016 9:03 am

i'm just glad you confirmed my theory was true about pip. still don't know if that makes you town or scum.

TwoFace · Wed Oct 26, 2016 9:07 am

In post 2319, gerryoat wrote:I didn't lie.

Yeah you did

TwoFace · Wed Oct 26, 2016 9:12 am

In post 2326, gerryoat wrote:I didn't also you stated 2 different games. The one I was lynched I fos'd mafia and mafia hammered me. Like I said, I was mod confirmed town to him basically, and he called me scum for it. It was his fault.

Day 2 means a shit load of townies were still on your wagon. That doesn't happen if you're playing well

TwoFace · Wed Oct 26, 2016 9:14 am

Damn this means Gerry is probably town. Mafia wouldn't block and kill the same person

TwoFace · Wed Oct 26, 2016 9:16 am

See he's a liability. Blocking a claimed pr

TwoFace · Wed Oct 26, 2016 9:19 am

I think Naomi is a good lynch. That 180

TwoFace · Wed Oct 26, 2016 9:27 am

In post 2344, grapes wrote:
In post 2332, TwoFace wrote:Damn this means Gerry is probably town. Mafia wouldn't block and kill the same person
He could be lying? He could just be the maf blocker if there is one?

Don't think so

TwoFace · Wed Oct 26, 2016 9:53 am

I'm thinking both sides may have a roleblocker or one of Dunn/grapes is lying

TwoFace · Wed Oct 26, 2016 10:02 am

In post 2376, Dunnstral wrote:Twoface you're weirding me out too

What made you say itlepip was roleblocked/didn't perform an action? Itlepip was the tracker and that's the only role that would have made sense to say that as

I'm sorry I weirded you out. For now let's just call it a lucky guess

TwoFace · Wed Oct 26, 2016 10:15 am

I'll try and figure out stuff tonight or tomorrow. I know time is running out. Have to look closer at X

TwoFace · Wed Oct 26, 2016 11:24 am

Unless pip was the vig kill which doesn't seem likely, Gerry is probably town

TwoFace · Wed Oct 26, 2016 11:25 am

So I'd go Dunn over Gerry.

If we do Dunn vs grapes idk, it's a toss up until I can reread them

TwoFace · Wed Oct 26, 2016 11:44 am

Obviously
Do you think scum blocked and killed pip?

TwoFace · Wed Oct 26, 2016 11:48 am

Do you think 2 blocking roles exsist?

Would you lynch grapes?

TwoFace · Wed Oct 26, 2016 11:59 am

In post 448, grapes wrote:Classic "why me" scumpost.

Oh now I remember grapes. He could be scum. This post was horrible

TwoFace · Wed Oct 26, 2016 12:18 pm

I can point to most of your day 1 and say it was bad. Oh wait I did that day 1. I don't want to rehash old arguments though. You are difficult to read cause your stupid meta push prevented you from giving game related reasons and analysis on zach

TwoFace · Wed Oct 26, 2016 12:21 pm

Nope I'm not scum.

TwoFace · Wed Oct 26, 2016 12:22 pm

In post 2400, grapes wrote:Like if dunn's town here; it should be no question. He knows gerry is bullshitting about being a roleblocker because scum and town aren't both gonna have one.

Why is that not possible?

TwoFace · Wed Oct 26, 2016 12:28 pm

In post 2404, grapes wrote:
In post 2401, TwoFace wrote:Nope I'm not scum.
Then please remove your head from your ass and think about shit because not a lot of what you're saying makes any sense to me at all.

That post I quoted reminded me that I wasn't a grapes fan day 1. I'm not going to lynch you off that post. Chill

TwoFace · Wed Oct 26, 2016 12:32 pm

In post 2411, Naomi-Tan wrote:
In post 2298, gerryoat wrote:I targeted itep cause he was my scumread
I don't believe this. If this is so, then grapes would of gotten the pm. I do not think that a 1v1 would of been ended so cleanly like it did ealier today without a roleblock being present.

Unless grapes is lying

Or there is 2 blocking roles

TwoFace · Wed Oct 26, 2016 12:39 pm

In post 2415, Naomi-Tan wrote:"I know you wasn't roleblocked because I'm the RB" it doesn't line up with green views >_<

No pr is going to just out their role though so this post here is BS. Gerry was trying to lynch Dunn though and was vague with his reasons. Given his claim, the vagueness makes sense

TwoFace · Wed Oct 26, 2016 12:40 pm

Pretty sure naomi is scum at this point. So now does Naomi/Dunn or Naomi/grapes make sense. I'll have to figure that out

TwoFace · Wed Oct 26, 2016 1:25 pm

In post 2425, Naomi-Tan wrote:
In post 2371, TwoFace wrote:I'm thinking both sides may have a roleblocker or one of Dunn/grapes is lying
I'd rather not speculate on that matter.. Duplicate roles are extremely rare..

I already checked about a half hour ago. Sorry not true

TwoFace · Wed Oct 26, 2016 1:27 pm

In post 2427, Naomi-Tan wrote:
In post 2417, TwoFace wrote:
In post 2415, Naomi-Tan wrote:"I know you wasn't roleblocked because I'm the RB" it doesn't line up with green views >_<
No pr is going to just out their role though so this post here is BS. Gerry was trying to lynch Dunn though and was vague with his reasons. Given his claim, the vagueness makes sense
Yeah but once he was forced to claim why back off?

Idk what do his posts around the time tell you? What did he say when you asked him?

Gerry is most likely town or he's manipulating me. Which do you really think is likely?

TwoFace · Wed Oct 26, 2016 3:30 pm

In post 2436, Naomi-Tan wrote:neither. you backed off because I went forward and you didn't want to be with me. Garry had no effect on your position really.

Oh wait. You asked why I backed off? I thought you were asking why he voted x over Dunn.

I already explained why I unvoted. You know cause you were there and I literally told you. You did a 180 on Gerry. You denied it of course but I quoted a post that proved you basically were.

Plus he wasn't forced the claim. He was only at L-1

His claim also supported what I already suspected to be true which means he's most likely not scum because I don't see a world where scum blocks and kills the same person.

So seems like your premature hop on Gerry backfired for you.

TwoFace · Wed Oct 26, 2016 3:34 pm

Sorry he was at l-2 not l-1

TwoFace · Wed Oct 26, 2016 3:36 pm

@massive

Sorry for doubting you. That color slip was a legit scum slip after all

TwoFace · Wed Oct 26, 2016 3:42 pm

@Dunn, still think zach is scum? I'm now having doubts on my reads so I'm reconsidering everyone

TwoFace · Wed Oct 26, 2016 11:13 pm

Pip was blocked though. So how do you explain that in your scenario?

TwoFace · Wed Oct 26, 2016 11:35 pm

In post 2426, Naomi-Tan wrote:
In post 2407, grapes wrote:Basically my question is, why now?
Okay looking past everything I commented on in the catchup posts It means I have to accept another town PR.

It does mean I'll need to roleclaim but fuck it, I'm Green Bodyguard, targeted no one last night as I didn't feel anyone was worth dying for.

Which means Greenwould have;
Vig, Bodyguard, Friendly Neighbour, Tracker, and Roleblocker which is FAR too many PR's for me to be comfertable with. Combined that with the Grapes v Dunn Interaction and I feel conclusively that Garry Is Red

Somehow didn't even see this post.

Dunn's role actually seems less likely given all the info I have

TwoFace · Thu Oct 27, 2016 1:13 am

I'm telling you

TwoFace · Thu Oct 27, 2016 1:31 am

In post 2459, Nosferatu wrote:
In post 2458, TwoFace wrote:I'm telling you
o fuk

anyway I don't see how that's any different than scenario #2.

but I doubt your information cause, like: 1. how the fuck would you know and 2. gerry would have to be like super bad for him to be town here, and I doubt he's that bad; so I'm going to stick with #3.

I've been hinting pip was roleblocked since near the beginning of the day. You really going to doubt my information? Don't worry how I know it's true, just know that it's true.

TwoFace · Thu Oct 27, 2016 2:04 am

dude you're drunk or scum yourself. There is no chance I am scum and you think gerry and I are scum together?

TwoFace · Thu Oct 27, 2016 2:11 am

In post 2464, Xkfyu wrote:
In post 2461, TwoFace wrote:
In post 2459, Nosferatu wrote:
In post 2458, TwoFace wrote:I'm telling you
o fuk

anyway I don't see how that's any different than scenario #2.

but I doubt your information cause, like: 1. how the fuck would you know and 2. gerry would have to be like super bad for him to be town here, and I doubt he's that bad; so I'm going to stick with #3.
I've been hinting pip was roleblocked since near the beginning of the day. You really going to doubt my information? Don't worry how I know it's true, just know that it's true.
I thought you were hinting at it way earlier in the day, but then I thought you weren't, and when I specifically asked you about it, I still didn't think you were hinting at it based on your response.

Ok, this changes things considerably.

it's hard to crumb something that is kind of difficult to believe.

TwoFace · Thu Oct 27, 2016 2:14 am

if gerry is actually scum, then scum actually blocked/killed pip or he picked up on my hints and is manipulating me. I honestly don't think either is possible but I guess it could be. With all these roles I don't find it hard to believe that both sides have some sort of blocking ability. It is not uncommon like somebody earlier suggested. You can look at past setups and see multiple games where town has both.

granted it is usually scum role blocker with town jail keeper, but I found 1 or 2 with both roleblockers and since we have a vig, scum jail keeper would actually make sense.

TwoFace · Thu Oct 27, 2016 2:24 am

Well 2 definitely is unlikely. It's eating me up inside that I can't lynch Gerry right now

TwoFace · Thu Oct 27, 2016 2:54 am

the friendly neighbor claim is probably fake given everything else.

not sure about naomi's claim but if she is legit, she sucks really freaking bad for not using her ability, so she's probably not legit

TwoFace · Thu Oct 27, 2016 3:04 am

i'm good with dunn or naomi

TwoFace · Thu Oct 27, 2016 3:12 am

In post 2484, PantherPunt wrote:I read 99 and this page and I've gathered what we are looking at.

Twoface sounds like he's claiming voyeur which is a horrible role but it's the only thing that can come to mind about how he knows what specific action was taken on itlepip
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Voyeur

didn't someone speculate about pip getting killed and blocked in case he was saved?

I'm just left wondering why in the world town would block the ambiguously claimed pr who is likely night killed. the answer is either he isn't a good thinker or he's just scum roleblocker claiming town roleblocker like every scum roleblocker in the history of historydom tries do to.

not voyeur. my role won't be on the wiki as it is the one variant role

TwoFace · Thu Oct 27, 2016 3:14 am

In post 2487, Toto wrote:Naomi's claim seem weird. If scum, maybe they didn't notice two-face had already soft-claimed.

Only reason I doubt 2-face is his recent 180 degree turn on Gerry when he was at L-1 (before gerry full-claimed, I think).

and you don't see how a town player would reconsider their read when a person who was basically town reading gerry magically does a 180 and asks for a claim?

side note - theory discussion. That isn't even how asking for a claim works. The person who is stating intent to hammer is the one who is supposed to ask for a claim.

TwoFace · Thu Oct 27, 2016 3:15 am

In post 2489, Xkfyu wrote:
In post 2483, TwoFace wrote:i'm good with dunn or naomi
It has to be Dunn, I think.

yeah, i'll be ok with that

TwoFace · Thu Oct 27, 2016 3:23 am

In post 2496, Toto wrote:You were 100% convinced that Gerry was scum

you're right I was. The vote by naomi is what made me take a step back. But as soon as he claimed Rb'er and who he blocked, I knew that he was either town or scum blocked/killed the same person which seems very unlikely.

you know, occams razor and shit

TwoFace · Thu Oct 27, 2016 4:49 am

In post 2501, PantherPunt wrote:twoface is there a good reason you won't claim how you know itelpip was blocked

I mean I basically have so this is kind of confusing

TwoFace · Thu Oct 27, 2016 5:00 am

That's not how it works.

TwoFace · Thu Oct 27, 2016 5:11 am

Whoever dies, I get a report of who if anyone they visited. Pip and Maria didn't visit anyone which I felt was odd. Hence my comment a while back that pip was blocked or didn't submit an action which I felt would not be likely. I even confirmed with the mod that his actions go before a kill so the kill wasn't the reason.

TwoFace · Thu Oct 27, 2016 5:15 am

99% sure.

TwoFace · Thu Oct 27, 2016 5:20 am

If you are NKd I would. Lynched players I don't get anything

TwoFace · Thu Oct 27, 2016 5:22 am

I mean it's kind of a play on voyeur I guess. Knowing who each person targeted doesn't really tell me much. I could me missing it's purpose

TwoFace · Thu Oct 27, 2016 5:25 am

Each night.

TwoFace · Thu Oct 27, 2016 5:27 am

Yes I would

TwoFace · Thu Oct 27, 2016 5:29 am

I still think out of all the claims his makes least sense. It's also a good role to fake. It's not common enough that people may write it off

Idk though.

TwoFace · Thu Oct 27, 2016 5:34 am

In post 2529, Dunnstral wrote:The plan would be vig shooting me

I think no matter what happens we get info

Assuming I'm not killed

TwoFace · Thu Oct 27, 2016 5:38 am

TwoFace · Thu Oct 27, 2016 5:47 am

But flipping Dunn now lets us know going into night knowing if there is a another blocker role or not. Let's us know if grapes is town or scum

If Dunn flips scum, who would make sense as partners?

TwoFace · Thu Oct 27, 2016 5:59 am

In post 2543, PantherPunt wrote:I believe twoface and naomi are what they say they are

I don't see why with speculation of a role blocker and possibly 2 at play, she would claim

TwoFace · Thu Oct 27, 2016 6:13 am

In post 2550, Xkfyu wrote:I don't either, but I don't see why she has done a lot of things this game.

agreed. if she is actually town she is probably the most bizarre player I have ever encountered.

TwoFace · Thu Oct 27, 2016 6:13 am

and that's including me who is pretty bizarre

TwoFace · Thu Oct 27, 2016 6:19 am

yeah I think that was it plus she was starting to pick up some heat. I really think with all the roles, dunn is the only one that doesn't really fit. Then again naomi could be mafia doctor

if she didn't claim, I would have been down for her or dunn lynch.

TwoFace · Thu Oct 27, 2016 8:48 am

In post 2572, Naomi-Tan wrote:There was no 180 as I explained. not until the role claim

shall I quote it again? the post where you basically say gerry looks like green and not red?

TwoFace · Thu Oct 27, 2016 8:49 am

In post 2574, Xkfyu wrote:It's very obvious which one was which, even without any explicit proof.

this

TwoFace · Thu Oct 27, 2016 8:50 am

In post 2575, Naomi-Tan wrote:
In post 2511, TwoFace wrote:Whoever dies, I get a report of who if anyone they visited. Pip and Maria didn't visit anyone which I felt was odd. Hence my comment a while back that pip was blocked or didn't submit an action which I felt would not be likely. I even confirmed with the mod that his actions go before a kill so the kill wasn't the reason.
Wait... so we have a variant tracker with a real tracker? In the same setup...

So the counter to me Dunn being a thing is; A roleblocker and a duplicate role claim?
And thats more likely over FN and Bodyguard?

except I am not a tracker

TwoFace · Thu Oct 27, 2016 9:04 am

In post 2584, Toto wrote:
In post 2388, TwoFace wrote:Unless pip was the vig kill which doesn't seem likely, Gerry is probably town
Why does the vigilante target affects whether Gerry is town? How would it change the info you received?

This has been covered already

TwoFace · Thu Oct 27, 2016 9:20 am

In post 2589, Toto wrote:If mafia shot maria and vig shot itlepip why does that make gerry more scummy?

Cause that would mean he is scum blocker

TwoFace · Thu Oct 27, 2016 9:49 am

In post 2593, PantherPunt wrote:Everyone just hold your horses. I need to look into something.... will report back with findings.

In post 2594, Toto wrote:
In post 2590, TwoFace wrote:
In post 2589, Toto wrote:If mafia shot maria and vig shot itlepip why does that make gerry more scummy?
Cause that would mean he is scum blocker
Im sorry didnt mafia rb/jk dunn and shot maria in this scenario?

I dont think this is what actually happened though.

Im just worried that you were hinting at another role before with the vig analysis which is why I'm asking.

If mafia killed Maria (don't think so) then mafia RBd pip

Mafia would either block or kill pip

TwoFace · Thu Oct 27, 2016 9:52 am

In post 2598, Dunnstral wrote:Do you not think twoface is important?

He needs to live another day

For usefulness of a play standpoint. Yes I should live.

His role may be more useful. Idk

TwoFace · Thu Oct 27, 2016 12:11 pm

Nos, try reading the link you posted. Kills happen last

TwoFace · Thu Oct 27, 2016 12:18 pm

In post 2610, Nosferatu wrote:
In post 2608, Dunnstral wrote:Wby does it matter?
because then twofaced received an investigative on someone already removed from the game?
TwoFace wrote:Nos, try reading the link you posted. Kills happen last

kk

No dumbass. I said READ it.

TwoFace · Thu Oct 27, 2016 12:24 pm

And sorry for the insult. I apologize

TwoFace · Thu Oct 27, 2016 12:36 pm

Oh I get it. I thought you were questioning pip being able to do his action before being killed.

My role is a new role which counts as the 1 variant normals are allowed to have. It isn't/wouldn't be covered on that list. It also happens automatically which I assume that means it's passive not active.

TwoFace · Fri Oct 28, 2016 1:01 am

In post 2620, Naomi-Tan wrote:
In post 2619, Toto wrote:Naomi. You were reading itlepip as town all of D1. Why didnt you BG him yesterday?
didn't seem necessary. like, they all most got lynched... why would reds shoot them... well apparently they did so.. But that aside I thought they would target stronger players... so.. yeah..

Cause he claimed a PR...

A town read claims a pr and you can protect him but don't?

TwoFace · Fri Oct 28, 2016 3:21 am

nobody was really under pressure when she claimed unless she is sacrificing herself to get gerry lynched but that seems unlikely. There was some talks about grapes around that time but I don't really see that as a way to protect grapes.

so assume gerry and naomi are both town, we have 2 town PRs who made bad decisions with their actions. Gerry blocking a claimed PR and Naomi not protecting the said PR.

If we believe these 2 claims, it comes down to do you believe my claim or do you believe dunn's claim. I honestly don't think town has all of these roles. I believed the neighbor claim at first because with my role it made sense, but now with all these other claims I am not so sure.

I think dunn is the way to go today but idk

TwoFace · Sat Oct 29, 2016 4:46 pm

All these people lurking...

TwoFace · Sun Oct 30, 2016 1:14 am

TwoFace · Sun Oct 30, 2016 10:45 am

Serious question toto. Have you read what's been going on?

pip was blocked and killed.

Who do you think killed pip? Mafia or vig?

If Mafia that means Gerry being mafia makes little sense

TwoFace · Sun Oct 30, 2016 10:52 am

^ fix that.

TwoFace · Sun Oct 30, 2016 11:27 am

Yeah toto. You're either really bad or mafia

TwoFace · Sun Oct 30, 2016 12:07 pm

The why is obvious. You aren't making any sense. Aren't using logic.

First you were the one who thought Dunn and grapes are scum together.

Now when pip being blocked and killed 99% confirms Gerry is probably town and not scum, you post theories that make no sense.

Occam's razor usually applies and your applying the least likely scenarios. Unless you're scum and know what's really going on, your theories aren't anything that a rational person would come up with.

TwoFace · Sun Oct 30, 2016 2:03 pm

In post 2649, PantherPunt wrote:
In post 2644, Toto wrote:
In post 2639, TwoFace wrote:Serious question toto. Have you read what's been going on?

pip was blocked and killed.

Who do you think killed pip? Mafia or vig?

If Mafia that means Gerry being mafia makes little sense
It makes sense if he is mafia with Dunn or Grapes. Or if mafia has another role altering role.

Rbing and killing itlepip makes sense in case itlepip got protection he wouldnt be able to use his role.

Rbing itlepip as town doesn't seem like the right play.
I agree with you toto, so don't listen to people calling this dumb. If I wasn't sure where I was on twoface I'd call his line here a scum narrative trying to power away from a Gerry lynch. But I think he's town. Which means he's not thinking well. Or is not nearly skeptical enough of all the information that's been presented

Gerry is basically confirmed town from my pov. The one not thinking we'll is toto and now you since you agree with toto

TwoFace · Sun Oct 30, 2016 2:19 pm

Have you ever seen scum block and kill the same person? Especially day 1?

Like someone said earlier. If scum was worried about doc protection you block him only. You don't waste a kill on a person you're blocking.

TwoFace · Sun Oct 30, 2016 2:20 pm

VOTE: grapes

Could go toto or panther

TwoFace · Sun Oct 30, 2016 2:22 pm

Link?

TwoFace · Sun Oct 30, 2016 2:24 pm

I just realized I wasn't voting anyone and grapes vote on Gerry is terrible

TwoFace · Sun Oct 30, 2016 2:31 pm

In post 2660, PantherPunt wrote:
@mod please confirm that this game is not following natural action resolution

Normal games follow natural action resolution by default unless the rules say otherwise and they don't.

what's the point of this question

TwoFace · Sun Oct 30, 2016 2:33 pm

In post 2661, PantherPunt wrote:
In post 2659, TwoFace wrote:I just realized I wasn't voting anyone and grapes vote on Gerry is terrible
Bc Gerry is all but confirmed town for you?

A few people are willing to lynch Gerry, what sets his vote apart?

1. Going back you don't have 40 games. The games you play that had mafia roleblocker nobody blocked and killed the same person

2. Gerry should be confirmed town to just about everyone with average intelligence who understands Occam's razor. Even if you don't think he's confirmed town, he's at least off the table for today

3. Grapes voted Gerry after a bunch of people agreed to lynch outside of the claims. His vote is bad

TwoFace · Sun Oct 30, 2016 3:39 pm

In post 2664, PantherPunt wrote:
In post 2662, TwoFace wrote:
In post 2660, PantherPunt wrote:
@mod please confirm that this game is not following natural action resolution
Normal games follow natural action resolution by default unless the rules say otherwise and they don't.

what's the point of this question
Kills resolve before investigations
So when itlepip is killed his track shouldn't be processed as a visit
So you not getting a result of him visiting anyone should just be a product of him dying, not that he was blocked

BUT, I asked if the visit would show if such a mechanic exists, and it seems that's the case
Which means the game doesn't follow natural action resolution
And that's pretty damn important to know when we are talking about the number of roles here and how they potentially interact with one another

Can you please pay attention. This has already been discussed. Kills don't stop actions. Mod even was asked a hypothetical and confirmed as much

TwoFace · Sun Oct 30, 2016 4:32 pm

The result I got was "used no action". Got the same for both.

Asked the mod if he was blocked would I still get the "used no action" result and he said yes.

Which is why I hinted WAY BACK that pip was blocked or didn't submit an action. I highly doubt he didn't submit and now Gerry is claiming to block him.

So barring something crazy, Gerry isn't the right lynch

TwoFace · Sun Oct 30, 2016 4:45 pm

Could he be lying? Sure but I'm not willing too lynch him to find out. Not today anyway.

I've explained my change on Gerry like 2 times already. If you didn't understand after the first 2, me explaining it again surely isn't going to change anything. If he's town mafia has to deal with him at some point.

If we're lynching a claimed role I'd rather lynch Dunn. This tells us more imo.

TwoFace · Sun Oct 30, 2016 4:47 pm

In post 2672, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 2645, Toto wrote:@mod do we really have 17h left?

Yes.

In post 2660, PantherPunt wrote:
@mod please confirm that this game is not following natural action resolution

This game follows Natural Action Resolution.

You said we got a 48 hour extension.

TwoFace · Sun Oct 30, 2016 4:56 pm

Gerry claims to have blocked pip and my role confirms pip didn't do anything as tracker which basically confirms Gerry is probably telling the truth

Dunn also claims to be blocked but we have no proof of this.

Mafia killing and blocking the same person makes no sense.

Dunn is lying

Or

Both sides have a blocker

These are the only options that make sense to me. If y'all want to put on tinfoil hats and believe far less likely scenarios, go ahead but I'll ridicule you while you do it.

mod, I posted right when the site came up. It came up around 11:45 pm yesterday. Deadline should be 48 hours from the site coming back online imo.

TwoFace · Sun Oct 30, 2016 4:57 pm

October 29th at noon the site was still down so that wouldn't be a full 48 hours

TwoFace · Sun Oct 30, 2016 5:19 pm

Well damn. I'll just go to bed as to not insult the mod

TwoFace · Mon Oct 31, 2016 12:58 am

In post 2689, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 2673, TwoFace wrote:If we're lynching a claimed role I'd rather lynch Dunn. This tells us more imo.
you're voting grapes

Yes cause I'd rather not lynch a claimed role today

TwoFace · Mon Oct 31, 2016 1:02 am

In post 2704, grapes wrote:What's the name of that role?

In post 2705, grapes wrote:This is a normal right? Not a theme, so.

Normals are allowed a variant role so not sure why you mention theme games.

Never said my role name cause nobody bothered to ask. I'm an archaeologist

TwoFace · Mon Oct 31, 2016 1:17 am

It tells us that pip was blocked (most likely) or didn't submit an action (least likely)

TwoFace · Mon Oct 31, 2016 1:19 am

Since I don't think pip was vig shot, pip to me was a mafia kill. This means Gerry is town since it's not optional to block and kill the same person. Obviously I'm the only one who thinks it's stupid which is weird

TwoFace · Mon Oct 31, 2016 1:23 am

So imo town and scum both have a blocking role or one of grapes/Dunn is lying. Given all the claimed roles it's possible scum has a blocking role

P.edit - scum would have blocked Dunn if they have a blocking role. He can confirm himself so blocking him makes people doubt his claim

Protected by who?

Yes I think the rules say they can action and kill

TwoFace · Mon Oct 31, 2016 1:34 am

Just saying if Gerry and I were scum he'd be lynched already.

P.edit. Dude I've covered why I don't think it's Gerry like at lease 4 times.

I DONT THINK SCUM BLOCKED AND KILLED THE SAME PERSON.

TwoFace · Mon Oct 31, 2016 1:38 am

In post 2721, grapes wrote:pedit: ss gave us another 48 hours

No deadline is in 3 hours

TwoFace · Mon Oct 31, 2016 1:53 am

In post 2726, grapes wrote:Oh wait nevermind.

That's a pretty shitty circumstance that we've been placed in at no fault of our own like, it's a fucking holiday and the site just went down.

Yeah no shit. Bad mod is bad

TwoFace · Mon Oct 31, 2016 2:32 am

VOTE: dunn

TwoFace · Mon Oct 31, 2016 4:44 am

so you choose the role more valuable to town to flip first? smh

TwoFace · Mon Oct 31, 2016 4:45 am

toto is scum

TwoFace · Mon Oct 31, 2016 4:48 am

vig shoot toto please

naomi if you are town, don't save me. my role isn't worth it.

TwoFace · Mon Oct 31, 2016 4:48 am

probably can't but I am here

TwoFace · Mon Oct 31, 2016 4:50 am

toto has 3, gerry has 3/4

TwoFace · Mon Oct 31, 2016 4:51 am

In post 2795, PantherPunt wrote:
In post 2793, Toto wrote:Im VT go ahead. I prefer that to nolynch today.
fully expect this to flip vt

why couldn't we do zach

his actions don't look like town. his entire line of thinking doesn't look town

TwoFace · Mon Oct 31, 2016 4:52 am

I hate this day got ruined by the site going down. that totally fucked shit up.

no cause I think you are scum also

TwoFace · Mon Oct 31, 2016 5:02 am

In post 2819, grapes wrote:TWOFACE YOU SLIMEBALL

FU

TwoFace · Mon Oct 31, 2016 5:03 am

It's too late

P.edit - yeah it sucks my boss came and talked to me while I was about to vote. Work > mafia

TwoFace · Mon Oct 31, 2016 5:05 am

I blame the mod

TwoFace · Mon Oct 31, 2016 5:11 am

It didn't help rehashing the gerry thing 2/3 times either. Those who wasted time on that are equally to blame

TwoFace · Mon Oct 31, 2016 5:11 am

VOTE: zach

Doubt it'll matter

TwoFace · Mon Oct 31, 2016 5:15 am

toto needs death tonight, do your thing vig

TwoFace · Wed Nov 02, 2016 6:45 am

ok so this should be a very interesting day to say the least.

naomi protected Panther

Dunn JK'd Nos night 1 and Zach n2 and also performed the kills - Killed pip n1 and tried to kill panther n2

gerry blocked pip n1 and nos n2 - given he died this means nos is scum

it also means zach is probably scum given who dunn was jail keeping

VOTE: nos

this should be game over basically

TwoFace · Wed Nov 02, 2016 6:58 am

In post 2850, Zachstralkita wrote:nah it means I was right for 2 days bitch

I wouldn't put it past Dunn to jk me to make me look bad. But you got me fucked up

actually you're probably right. Dunn knew he was going to be shot tonight. tbh I am surprised he didn't jailkeep me to prevent getting information.

TwoFace · Wed Nov 02, 2016 6:59 am

who was the one talking about using the action and performing the kill? I can't remember who that was

TwoFace · Wed Nov 02, 2016 7:01 am

In post 2400, grapes wrote:He knows gerry is bullshitting about being a roleblocker because scum and town aren't both gonna have one

sup grapes

TwoFace · Wed Nov 02, 2016 7:07 am

In post 2846, Something_Smart wrote:Zachstralkita (5) - PantherPunt, Xkfyu, grapes, Toto, massive (L-1)
gerryoat (3) - Naomi-Tan, Dunnstral, Nosferatu

sorry zach

this actually doesn't look good for you.

no way scum forces a NL on a townie

TwoFace · Wed Nov 02, 2016 7:15 am

zach, where is your vote for Nos?

TwoFace · Wed Nov 02, 2016 7:41 am

In post 2860, Toto wrote:Zach my guess is you are getting shot after we lynch nos today. If you are green you may want to tell us what to do next. Otherwise gg

toto, I swear if you are town...

TwoFace · Wed Nov 02, 2016 7:51 am

so while we are waiting. Mafia had a j/k, do you think mafia has anything else? town has a lot of roles. what else works for mafia?

TwoFace · Wed Nov 02, 2016 8:12 am

In post 2870, grapes wrote:Zach/Dunn wasn't a bus.

why?

TwoFace · Wed Nov 02, 2016 8:31 am

In post 2881, grapes wrote:It could also be panther.

no it can't

TwoFace · Wed Nov 02, 2016 8:34 am

In post 2884, grapes wrote:Okay whatever you guys say.

humor me, why can it be panther?

TwoFace · Wed Nov 02, 2016 8:35 am

In post 2884, grapes wrote:Toto's probtown

probtown? probably

prob daabor? most likely

TwoFace · Wed Nov 02, 2016 8:43 am

yeah don't worry about it.

TwoFace · Sat Nov 05, 2016 12:12 am

Why massive?

TwoFace · Sat Nov 05, 2016 12:27 am

After a skim of his iso yeah I can see massive. I need to sit down and really read over interactions though

TwoFace · Sat Nov 05, 2016 3:43 am

In post 2896, Xkfyu wrote:Not even a Vig kill? That's interesting.

Yeah I was surprised vig didn't kill at least. In this scenario it would have been ok. Unless he was only 2 shot

TwoFace · Sat Nov 05, 2016 3:49 am

I have a good idea about the missing scum kill.

TwoFace · Sat Nov 05, 2016 4:20 am

In post 2902, Xkfyu wrote:
In post 2901, TwoFace wrote:I have a good idea about the missing scum kill.
Is it something you're willing to discuss yet?

I mean I could but don't really think it's necessary at this point.

I won't be able to do any heavy reading til Monday FYI

TwoFace · Sat Nov 05, 2016 6:40 am

In post 2906, PantherPunt wrote:I became a dad n2. A bit earlier than expected

Thinking I'm continuing but possibly slightly sparse for a few days.

Congratulations man.

TwoFace · Sat Nov 05, 2016 6:42 am

In post 2908, Zachstralkita wrote:
PantherPunt wrote:I became a dad n2. A bit earlier than expected

Thinking I'm continuing but possibly slightly sparse for a few days.

also twoface you thought we were just gonna continue to slide past the fact that gerryoat flipped town? huh? huh?

Wrong on Gerry
Right on Dunn

Being right on scum trumps being wrong on a shitty townie.

Btw I haven't been sliding so not sure what game you're reading. You're the one who hasn't done shit all game

TwoFace · Sat Nov 05, 2016 6:48 am

In post 2910, Zachstralkita wrote:the problem was in his judgement for half the game bud

its ok i know you only wanted to say that so you could insinuate I was doing something wrong

You were doing something wrong. I mean technically you should be lynched today but we're basing off the assumption Dunn set you up which I'm not personally comfortable with.

TwoFace · Sat Nov 05, 2016 6:52 am

Not to mention I prevented town from mislynching Gerry

TwoFace · Sat Nov 05, 2016 7:02 am

In post 2915, Zachstralkita wrote:not sure if you're aware of this guy but I was right on Dunn. foh

And?

TwoFace · Sat Nov 05, 2016 7:11 am

In post 2918, Zachstralkita wrote:
TwoFace wrote:
In post 2915, Zachstralkita wrote:not sure if you're aware of this guy but I was right on Dunn. foh
And?

"You haven't done shit all game"

If you had did what I said and lynched him day one-day two we could have wasted less time. We're still in the best position now so it doesn't matter but don't act like I wasn't waving this shit in your face since forever and no one did anything about it.

You thought he was scum for saying you were scum. Like it's not like you did much else. You still haven't done much. I'll admit I had a wrong read on Gerry but his play was garbage. I at least was smart enough to figure out that even though he was stupid and blocked the wrong person, he was probably town. A bad player wouldn't have stopped the Gerry lynch and just let it happen.

TwoFace · Sat Nov 05, 2016 7:15 am

At this point it doesn't matter. You're not getting lynched today. We've got enough clears that scum has a very small chance of winning.

TwoFace · Sat Nov 05, 2016 7:23 am

In post 2927, Zachstralkita wrote:So don't misconstrue what I do then and back out when I state that you're incorrect according to the facts

Dunn was calling you scum for a long time and finally around page 20 something you voted him. It's not like you had made a compelling case on him or anything. So yeah don't act like you were some master fucking scum hunter.

TwoFace · Sat Nov 05, 2016 7:28 am

He was trying to lynch you and eventually you tried to lynch him. How's that different than you omgus'd him?

It's really not.

TwoFace · Sat Nov 05, 2016 7:34 am

Look if you're town you're wasting time. Go focus on who is last scum.

TwoFace · Sat Nov 05, 2016 8:09 am

In post 2934, Naomi-Tan wrote:Delayed bah post XD as you finished D3 before I had my chance. Good luck blues! you can do it!

Don't you mean greens? Scum slip

TwoFace · Sun Nov 06, 2016 12:56 am

Yeah no hammers unless massive is scum and he's self hammering.

TwoFace · Sun Nov 06, 2016 12:56 am

In post 2938, grapes wrote:VOTE: Xk

Why do you think he's scum?

TwoFace · Sun Nov 06, 2016 6:21 am

In post 2940, TwoFace wrote:Why do you think he's scum?

TwoFace · Sun Nov 06, 2016 6:22 am

Side note is it in bad taste to troll Dunn while he's dead?

TwoFace · Sun Nov 06, 2016 8:08 am

In post 2946, Toto wrote:Let's lynch massive, then. Xk, why are you not voting?

Skimming some isos man they both are bad. I can't tell who's the partner yet

TwoFace · Sun Nov 06, 2016 12:14 pm

Only way we can suspect if a commuter role exsist is to find out if the vig had shots left and used one and a no kill happened. Don't really think it's s good time for the vig to claim yet cause we have numbers on our side. It's a very small chance scum wins this but not impossible.

TwoFace · Sun Nov 06, 2016 12:44 pm

If he didn't have shots we aren't dealing with a scum commuter.

So what I want to talk about is dunn's jk that 2nd night. He didn't block claimed body guard. He didn't block me.

So what do you think he was trying to do?

TwoFace · Sun Nov 06, 2016 12:49 pm

Good point. But Dunn had to know he was getting shot as that was what the plan was.

TwoFace · Sun Nov 06, 2016 12:59 pm

In post 2966, Toto wrote:Yeah I see that point as a counter argument. How was Dunn the public plan though? I was actually glad and surprised that was what happened

It was discussed during the day phase. That was how we were going to prove he was neighbor

TwoFace · Sun Nov 06, 2016 1:01 pm

In post 2967, Toto wrote:From my point of view vig was going to shoot dunn or zach most likely. Why not jk naomi and kill you or gerry? They really traded off a lot to save zach.

Yeah that's the part I don't get

TwoFace · Sun Nov 06, 2016 1:59 pm

In post 2972, Toto wrote:Gerry was not supposed to die. They wanted to blame zach being alive to vig getting rbed maybe.

Gerry died because he blocked scum

TwoFace · Sun Nov 06, 2016 2:30 pm

Ah ok

TwoFace · Sun Nov 06, 2016 2:49 pm

In post 2977, grapes wrote:Yea toto's actually kept a pretty consistent thought process the last page or so im pretty much good with him.

Let's talk about massive and xk...

In post 2787, massive wrote:And if Dunn gets blocked tonight, either there's no scum RB or they're wasting their block. Either is good for town.
Like am I going crazy or is this a scumslip?

What am I missing

TwoFace · Sun Nov 06, 2016 2:50 pm

Massive had another post I thought was weird. Let me find it

TwoFace · Sun Nov 06, 2016 3:02 pm

Can't find it. Maybe it was a post by xf

TwoFace · Sun Nov 06, 2016 4:15 pm

Can't be SK

TwoFace · Sun Nov 06, 2016 4:19 pm

So if you aren't scum. Who's your best guess for the last and why