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Hey all. This is my first time replacing! (mainly cause the cue was a large game and multi-ball Yuk!) so here I am Normally I like to make a statement second post but as Im replacing I think i'll just do it here.
Firstly; I call Town Green and Mafia Reds. this is cause I think the use of Scum and Scummy is kinda mean to say to people who are just playing a game and red and green are much nicer terms. I mean its not like you getta hand select roles This is just a thing to bare in mind going forward.
Secondly; This entire post is NAI. I post this as both alignments the only thing changing being the wording as I tend to just rephrase it a little each game to try and get better wording. You can check this in my Green meta on my Wiki page. as all newer games (prob the last 4 or 5) have this kinda statement (normally on my second iso post)
Finally; I have an abnormal play style. Unlike the meta on this site I tend to do things that help me survive as both alignments. Sometimes that means bending things to a point and other times it means I'll do LAMIST things for no good reason other than I don't wanna die. I also play with a very open hand though. This is beacuse I feel that being open and forward helps keep me alive with Green members and help me decide who is green and who is red. I struggle when pressured and if I'm pressured by a lot of people my reads get tilted as I am prone to confirm bais at times and unless I have a healthy view point its hard to get reads. additionally if my big reads go wrong I sorta get lost and confused until I can refind my footing. I'm telling you this as Its something that Red players can use to push my misslynch and green players can get tricked by. Additionally as I make this statement as both alignments Its impossible to tell what I am using this statement. Think it a quick overview of green meta. You may look at any of my games on my wiki Ordered first to last to look for these trends but imo they are all there. Other than that I tend to make long posts every so often and multiple shorter posts in between asking questions or looking into things that I find interesting. I like to exchange information freely to those who ask unless I have a plan that requires not telling people stuff (like I'm baiting a reaction for example)
And I guess I'll ask whats up with my slot right now while I start looking back at the game. I may spam the thread a bit while reading up as I react and ask questions on the fly. As of now I've replaced into this slot entirely blind to the game.Naomi ~ ☠ ♠ ♣ ⦿ ✿ ♡ §-
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So your not town got it.In post 1106, massive wrote:Hey Naomi I'm town, let's start with that, otherwise we're gonna butt heads, so let's avoid that right from the start. *halo*Naomi ~ ☠ ♠ ♣ ⦿ ✿ ♡ §-
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Okay its becoming clear that Im not gonnna get my pure unbiest read from cloud kicker just kinda being... well.. Loud? I'm going with loud.. So.. Yeah I guess It may take me a bit to grasp at things here as this review is going poorly. maybe I should of read a bit before I accepted the slot XDNaomi ~ ☠ ♠ ♣ ⦿ ✿ ♡ §-
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When did 'standing out' become a reason to vote? couldn't you of gone more indepth about your thoughts on things at least others commented about if they was faking or not. Your just like; you talk too much vote. come on..In post 101, Elhabe21 wrote:A little new at this but
VOTE: CloudKicker
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Page 5; time for a break.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l7shCvDXUU
Thoughts so far;
I have a Green read off of culted There actions don't fall in line with what I'd concider red moviation and they seem to be thinking and working well off others.
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Are getting free pass's for just generally not getting any interest from me what so ever. (AKA Null reads)
Massive should also be a null read but I didn't like there reaction to my last post. seemed a bit weird//not what I remember but then again I think thats just me so you can sit in the cataogry im gonna call the void which lines in a space between null and redish.
I didn't really like flubbs reaction to CK's faked slips but I think if they are as smart as I think they are they also might of called it and not cared as I would of if I was playing and not in this slot.
Dierfire I didn't like there entrance post and given it was 5 pages in thats kinda lurky.
Kairal Probs my biggest red read on page 5. Apart from voting every green read I've had bar one. They always seem kinda weak. I also didn't like them leaving the gray train that they had committed too earlier.
Black Void I have your slot listed as possible red. Though I didn't write down why and off the top of my head don't remember must been a post your precessor did. but I can find that in a bit once I'm done and might get some more supporting or conflicting evidence for you being red. sorry for the vagueness but I lost the note XD
FOS: Kairal
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yeah you know that stuff they was doing on page oneIn post 1117, massive wrote:
Uh .. wait what? CK'sIn post 1116, Naomi-Tan wrote: I didn't really like flubbs reaction to CK's faked slips but I think if they are as smart as I think they are they also might of called it and not cared as I would of if I was playing and not in this slot.fakedslips?Naomi ~ ☠ ♠ ♣ ⦿ ✿ ♡ §-
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What can I say. when I read the first page and saw them claim to be red and then rolled 1d9 I was like this is dumb and so obviosuly fake. This shouldn't be a shock to someone who knows mini-setups but generally speaking 4 reds is a no go and here its still not a thing else the game would of ended.In post 1129, Aj The Epic wrote:
That + ahmished tell certainly doesn't help how I've been reading Shadow's slot recently.In post 1117, massive wrote:
Uh .. wait what? CK'sIn post 1116, Naomi-Tan wrote: I didn't really like flubbs reaction to CK's faked slips but I think if they are as smart as I think they are they also might of called it and not cared as I would of if I was playing and not in this slot.fakedslips?Naomi ~ ☠ ♠ ♣ ⦿ ✿ ♡ §-
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Okay.. I like that late page 5 post by Kairal Examining and noticing flailing and saying it in such a way that others take note of it I feel is a very pro-townie move as reds don't really wanna stop chaos like CK was causing at the start of D1 This is why I felt like going back and exmanining things was important. I feel that showing your thoughts to where you end up with your living reads is a trip people need to see as it gives insight into your thinking as green and allows less wiggle room for reds. like I could of just read it and said nothing but I would find that infinitely more unhelpful than someone who takes there time and talks about old stuff without knowing the twists. Like I had no idea they was cops before thingy said ealier. As I haddn't gotten to that part. So I didn't have that filter lense it was just pure what I think. If that makes sense. anyway I'm sleepy waffling back to reading.Naomi ~ ☠ ♠ ♣ ⦿ ✿ ♡ §-
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Its like. If I was playing Vs. CK I'd thought to vote them... yet I'd been wrong. and that just tossing me for a loop like.. I'd vote for them as green. so can I really fault others for red reading? Do I just look for the obviously week pushes? how do you handle that? Cause CK just handled themselves so poorly I'm just bewildered.In post 1133, Naomi-Tan wrote:You know. knowing your slot is VT as you read back interactions with others is a very weird experience. I have no idea what CK is thinking all early game but I know there green its like... I can't see where there coming from at all. its so strange.Naomi ~ ☠ ♠ ♣ ⦿ ✿ ♡ §-
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Omg PLEASE don't tell me they was on the IO wagon at flip >_<
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Where did this post come from? I don't recall anyone mentioning anything on this matter previous (It is entirely possible I might of skimmed over it)In post 138, Aj The Epic wrote:How do associative tells not work? Like I know I've been gone for 8 months but how does the community just disregard an entire part of scumhunting? (Asking because this is something I've heard multiple times in like 2 days). They absolutely do work, Grey's just grasping at shit and hoping something sticks.Naomi ~ ☠ ♠ ♣ ⦿ ✿ ♡ §-
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This post XDIn post 147, CloudKicker wrote:
More like, im playing for my wincon the way i want, i dont really care if you fos me but dont call say im playing bad town. At the end of the day, ill vote for scum and you might notIn post 144, Flubbernugget wrote:114 leads me to believe cloudkicker is more concerned with being self-congratulatory than actually trying to prove they are townNaomi ~ ☠ ♠ ♣ ⦿ ✿ ♡ §-
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Cool I agree with flubbs. at that stage in the game there isn't really enough to go on. though it is a powerful red hunting tool in later stages (D2 // D3+) I feel that within the first 10 pages its effect is too minuscule to be used.In post 1140, Aj The Epic wrote:
Flubber's post two above it.Naomi-Tan wrote:
Where did this post come from? I don't recall anyone mentioning anything on this matter previous (It is entirely possible I might of skimmed over it)In post 138, Aj The Epic wrote:How do associative tells not work? Like I know I've been gone for 8 months but how does the community just disregard an entire part of scumhunting? (Asking because this is something I've heard multiple times in like 2 days). They absolutely do work, Grey's just grasping at shit and hoping something sticks.Naomi ~ ☠ ♠ ♣ ⦿ ✿ ♡ §-
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Oh I have? I wasn't keeping count I was just commenting on things I saw.In post 1144, Aj The Epic wrote:
Actually, you've mentioned those dead far more than those alive.In post 1141, Naomi-Tan wrote:Btw the reason your not seeing me talk about the people who are dead is put simply We know there alignments and I do as well so... it kinda wouldn't be useful to work out my alignment.
And I don't need to work on theirs so I can just use it to reflect on you guys .Naomi ~ ☠ ♠ ♣ ⦿ ✿ ♡ §-
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I expect i'm not going into detail though.In post 1145, Naomi-Tan wrote:
Oh I have? I wasn't keeping count I was just commenting on things I saw.In post 1144, Aj The Epic wrote:
Actually, you've mentioned those dead far more than those alive.In post 1141, Naomi-Tan wrote:Btw the reason your not seeing me talk about the people who are dead is put simply We know there alignments and I do as well so... it kinda wouldn't be useful to work out my alignment.
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I don't like this statement it discourages conversation and exploration of alignments viva questioning. Though I must admit when the heat gets over a certain level I do vanish for a while to reset it if I make too many mistakes (as both alignments) though I always think first piroity should be discussion of a point before ignoring of a point.In post 172, Flubbernugget wrote:With current site meta your best bet really is to ignore scum reads on you unless there's something off on a really fundamental levelNaomi ~ ☠ ♠ ♣ ⦿ ✿ ♡ §-
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whats your current view on flubs?In post 174, MiniDeathStar wrote:I'm sheep voting with you? I had no idea. My read on massive was utterly independent of yours.
Oh wait, you don't even have a read. Just an RVS vote.Naomi ~ ☠ ♠ ♣ ⦿ ✿ ♡ §-
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There is a thing here. its called the slayer gambit. you purposely make yourself look sorta red. not so red that the greens vote you outright but just red enough to bait overeager reds to vote for you with reasoning and then you turn the tables and say. No that wasn't a thing and snap shut the trap. This is a thing in the wiki. I did it once to quickly terminate a RVS. Its a highly risky manuver though cause if you fuck it up or reveal it wrong your just gonna end up being under a lot of heat forever. like CK it was a poorly executed one that wasn't designed to catch reds but show them as green which doesn't work the slayer gambits green credit comes from the oh snap and I see what you did there reactions. So yeah.. There is also site meta, which Is why I cover my ass with my meta-post as I go against meta as Green which makes it harder to get an alignment read. Though I can tell you my slayer gambit worked it was offsite so.. not on my wiki. I timed it to be just long enough that people just started to turn generally sour. didn't try to make it out like I was trying to be red to confirm myself as green lol either. CK's start was poorly executed.In post 178, Aj The Epic wrote:Gonna say Kai doesn't have a post that justifies your vote, and so far neither do you.
I'm guessing these two lines are independent, but it's also the only possible line that could give reasoning to your vote.
Current site meta is a myth. People have an individual meta, the game has it's own phases, but saying 'it's suddenly acceptable to be scummy as shit' defeats the entire purpose of the game. How the hell do you win a game when you rely on someone making a mistake that large?Flubbernugget wrote:
It sounds like you're obtusely encouraging jin to flail over the thread in this postIn post 161, culted wrote:I'm not saying that you should flail all over the thread, but to engage people who're taking issue with your thought processes instead of pretending that they aren't there, then possibly make us aware of how you're reading these things.
Have any questions for me jin?
With current site meta your best bet really is to ignore scum reads on you unless there's something off on a really fundamental level
Certainly even if such a thing did exist, 7 players have new accounts here (though I'm running on the assumption that Culted/Elhabe are alts) and I've missed 8 months of this meta. It's ridiculously inefficient to discount actual scumtells that we've used for years in the light of some fantasy where everyone is allowed to make them.Naomi ~ ☠ ♠ ♣ ⦿ ✿ ♡ §-
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LOL CK broke the rules on the first page XDIn post 1, Gamma Emerald wrote:> Do not use proven randomness, like the dice tags.Naomi ~ ☠ ♠ ♣ ⦿ ✿ ♡ §-
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In post 1, Gamma Emerald wrote:Spoiler: Vanilla Townie Role PM
Hello (Player Name)!
You are a Vanilla Townie.
You have your voice and your vote. Use them wisely!
You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
The game is here
Please confirm with your role name.Naomi ~ ☠ ♠ ♣ ⦿ ✿ ♡ §-
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In post 1152, Naomi-Tan wrote:Just quoting page 1 so I could find it (as I keep going back to check the player list. its hard to keep track with people talking)
well not so much find it but jump to it after closing a batch of tabbs.Naomi ~ ☠ ♠ ♣ ⦿ ✿ ♡ §-
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I call that roleplaying.In post 188, Aj The Epic wrote:Then what's it called when you're assuming someone's mafia and doing association from that? Is that confbias or just tunneling?Naomi ~ ☠ ♠ ♣ ⦿ ✿ ♡ §-
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H-How did she even get this read on hello he had posted like 4 lines AURGH.In post 221, CloudKicker wrote:other ppl who should be town from a gut reads are grey and hellooooo but needs more contentNaomi ~ ☠ ♠ ♣ ⦿ ✿ ♡ §-
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Why are you town?In post 245, Secret Agent Jin wrote:
Im pretty sure this needs to die.In post 241, CloudKicker wrote:Do i look like i give a shit, antagonize me more now youre 1 lynch away to get owned all game gratzNaomi ~ ☠ ♠ ♣ ⦿ ✿ ♡ §-
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Sigh flipping backwards again.. I'm on page 10 now and well.. I'm seeing the slow motion explosion that is CK... its so greenie though... No way that kinda tantrum comes outta reds... I had Kairal as a green at the moment before that. but now... I'm just left with this burning curiousity. Kairal You've shown so far in what I read kinda high intelegnece you think about posts and try to help others and even tried to calm CK down... what happened to change your mind on their alignment? I think If I saw someone meltdown like that i'd be sure there green forever as its not a thing red do.Naomi ~ ☠ ♠ ♣ ⦿ ✿ ♡ §-
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yeah but arguments I understand CK was literally being a triggered baby. There must be more to it than that.In post 1164, Kairal wrote:If you always read everyone who throws a tantrum as town you simply give scum incentive to fake tantrums. I have seen a game as I said where scum had a huge argument and replaced out over it.Naomi ~ ☠ ♠ ♣ ⦿ ✿ ♡ §-
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Holy cow this post pretty much mirrors my note pad.In post 275, Dierfire wrote:All right, here I go!
I'm reading culted as Town. The vote for Secret Agent Jin in 41 and the reasoning given in 62 indicate an attempt to read alignment (is paying attention to why Secret Agent Jin is asking certain questions), and 57 looks like a good attempt to break up a fight between two players that culted reads as Town and focus on Secret Agent Jin instead.
CloudKicker and MiniDeathStar also both seem Town to me. My opinion of CloudKicker is mostly anchored in the "Town slip" business (mistaking the number of players in the game); I find it relatively unlikely that CloudKicker decides to fake this. I think that I have a good question that will help me be certain. My opinion of MiniDeathStar is mostly anchored in 154 and 155 (reconsidering the read on CloudKicker when many players seemed inclined to agree with MiniDeathStar rather than CloudKicker means forfeiting an easy opportunity to be on the "right" side--that is, the popular side--of an argument with a Town player unless both are Mafia, and I think that CloudKicker is unlikely to display such hostility to MiniDeathStar at this stage in the game if both are Mafia).
I'm undecided on Secret Agent Jin and have not much useful to say there at this time. My default would be to follow culted.
Flubbernugget is showing evidence of paying attention to details (75 looking at the VC, 135 paying attention to the reads that massive gives). Ordinarily I consider these things to indicate Town alignment and effort to solve the game; in this case I have a vague feeling that they don't conform to my previous experience with Flubbernugget as Town, so I will check that at some point to be certain.
I'm agreeing with Aj the Epic in 178 that the vote from Io in 166 doesn't seem to have a good reason for the vote. Also of importance to me is that the other major read that Io seems to have is that CloudKicker is Town, but she fails to make a meaningful attempt to interpret votes on that wagon (in particular, in 87 she declines to cast a vote despite having reasons to be suspicious of -Grey- and Kairal that are, as best as I can see,strongerthan her reason for voting for Aj the Epic).
That's it for my first pass.
UNVOTE: CloudKicker
VOTE: Io
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BlackVoid (By assoiation)
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Yeah I was just checking his activity to see if he needed a prod and realised the mod didn't remove him from the alive player listIn post 1169, Aj The Epic wrote:The only issue is HelloNewman has been dead for 2 days, and flipped town.
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Hmm okay gonna tackle this before going back to reading so we can have discussion while I'm catching up.In post 1172, Kairal wrote:It is interesting. There are a number of things that make me quite suspicious of you. For example you imply that you are reading from the start- so why do you ask Mini a question as if she's still in the game and then remove your Fos from her replacement, well before she replaces out (if you were actually still only on page 10). Seems rather inconsistent no?
I also find your confidence that you can make reads based on 10 pages of a 47 page game rather... odd.
Then there's your description of Cloud making a 'fake' slip.
Likewise if you're reading from the start why are you claiming VT already? Why do you need to post the VT role pm?
This all seems pretty weird to me and it's not like I was confident about either of your previous slots. As far as cloudkicker goes I used kid gloves because it was clear he was genuinely upset. I was trying to calm him down at that point- in no way did it mean I was getting a strong town read from him.
However your main scum read is on Flubber which is where I landed pretty recently. This is making me doubt my Flubber read somewhat. That means scum would be... culted Naomi and... one of my town reads.
Really not sure here. Maybe she's just reading the room and thinking it's time to bus Flubber? Or maybe she's planning to have an 'evolution' and move around to voting me instead?
I think I'll give Naomi a little more rope and continue voting Flubber for now
why do you ask Mini a question as if she's still in the game:Because I was sleepy at the time. There is no motivation for talking to a flower pot XD. BlackVoid please take that question as directed at yourself.
remove your Fos from her replacement, well before she replaces out:Simple. I gave my reads and my Fos around page 5, by the time of my second read list Mini had posted lots of what i'd call pro-green post and given flubs did the whole sheeping mud sling at that peroid I went from a Red read to a green read. Thing with early game reads is there more influx and can change.
I also find your confidence that you can make reads based on 10 pages of a 47 page game rather... odd:I made akin read lists around page 10 on most of my last 3 games as green. You may look that part up. I feel that I'm pretty good at finding greens. Though at page 10 won't be my 'final' reads thats just my reads as of page 12 (gonna shift up from 10 as the read list was posted off a page 12 post) I expect some flux as I sort after all there are a few unplaced and unknowns.
Yeah thats entirely my bad for not being definitive about which slip.
Then there's your description of Cloud making a 'fake' slip:
Likewise if you're reading from the start why are you claiming VT already:You asked for a massclaim. I just did it as part of my reading. I also assumed there claim was already out there given people was suspicious.
The bottom part isn't directed at me but I can confirm that As im reading my view point may change as It does when you have like 75% of a game to read still. I'm just keeping you guys simi-kinda informed of my views If I was around at these times of the gameNaomi ~ ☠ ♠ ♣ ⦿ ✿ ♡ §-
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Why do you SR Culted?In post 1172, Kairal wrote:However your main scum read is on Flubber which is where I landed pretty recently. This is making me doubt my Flubber read somewhat. That means scum would be... culted Naomi and... one of my town reads.Naomi ~ ☠ ♠ ♣ ⦿ ✿ ♡ §-
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Oh.. Okay now I see why you'd still be suspicious. I thought CK was gonna explode much more than that before getting replaced. Though I agree with Grey here 315 Of course I would though so.. not sure if thats useful.Naomi ~ ☠ ♠ ♣ ⦿ ✿ ♡ §-
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This however, I'm not in agreeance with. There is no way mini's slot is red IMO.In post 334, -Grey- wrote:I mean seriously, Gamma forcing someone out for simply playing suboptimally is ironic as all fuck when you consider how suboptimally he plays.Naomi ~ ☠ ♠ ♣ ⦿ ✿ ♡ §-
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Ehhh... I don't like this push.In post 353, massive wrote:
Horsepucky, and you know it. I was asked a question about PAGE 2. I answer a question about PAGE 2. I have said at least once that my opinion of Kairal has changed. And yet you still want to front it as (a) Kairal is a universal town read and (b) me doing something sinister about it.In post 343, MiniDeathStar wrote:
I am not remotely surprised that my scumspect is trying to cast doubt on what's becoming a universal town read.In post 337, massive wrote:I find it really humorous how many people are like "Kairal's behavior is so obvtown!" because all it reads to me is newbscum. Like, his partners are cringing in their heads thinking how they can ditch him. Kairal's "moving on" in 66 didn't make sense to me either. His explanation post is 119 which is after 99, and I didn't get to thinking about it until overnight. That whole time, though, I'm still thinking newbscum.
The best part is Kairal's partners wondering how to ditch him when he's being townread by half the village.
And yeah, the lady doth protest too much.
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Ah... given the first thing SS does Im not shocked the read of the slot slipped greatly over the course of his play. least if thats what I'm too expect.
PEDIT: I could but that would allow me to fake reactions and have a cause before effect situations. So I won't Like. for example. If I knew we had proven Innos I wouldn't get red reads on people when I should be doing so. (unless I think the cop is fake. Which I am trying to work out before knowing who the cop slots are) I'm sorry for spamming as I'm going but 45 pages of stuff Is a lot to catch up with. So... yeah. another example is I wouldn't of stated I was with grey here is I knew he then did a MDS or CK policy vote shortly after. given MDS is on my green list and therefore yourself.Naomi ~ ☠ ♠ ♣ ⦿ ✿ ♡ §-
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