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[WhyMafia]

HELLO EVERYONE
IT'S YOUR BOY WHYMAFIA

HERE TO SAVE THE DAY AND FIND ALL THE SCUM

catching up kthxbye

[WhyMafia]

Hello. I'll start with a RQS since I don't think I've done it in a while, even ignoring my absence.
1: What is your favorite open setup and why?
2: What is your favorite and least favorite role, and why?
3: On a scale of one to ten how excited are you for this game?
4: Who do you not have experience with in this playerlist?
My answers
1: Jungle Anarchy, since it's a setup that relies a lot on scumhunting rather than PRs
2: I like Vigilantes, since I have had some good experiences with them. I don't like Gladiators much since they can cause major problems if used by bad town.
3: Eight. I liked the last setup that Dierfire had, but I'm hoping we can get something more interesting this time around.
4: A lot. The only ones I DO have experience with is rb, Tywin, and Flubbernugget.

VOTE: gamma emerald
Meh
I don't like this considering I had to read through page 1 of fluff

id like to reread the game without having endless fluff to wade through

[WhyMafia]

Hello. I'll start with a RQS since I don't think I've done it in a while, even ignoring my absence.
1: What is your favorite open setup and why?
2: What is your favorite and least favorite role, and why?
3: On a scale of one to ten how excited are you for this game?
4: Who do you not have experience with in this playerlist?
My answers
1: Jungle Anarchy, since it's a setup that relies a lot on scumhunting rather than PRs
2: I like Vigilantes, since I have had some good experiences with them. I don't like Gladiators much since they can cause major problems if used by bad town.
3: Eight. I liked the last setup that Dierfire had, but I'm hoping we can get something more interesting this time around.
4: A lot. The only ones I DO have experience with is rb, Tywin, and Flubbernugget.

1) I haven't played any open setups yet so *shrug*
2) Favorite -> Any form of investigative. Least Favorite -> Any killing role bc I don't trust myself to kill the right person
3) 8. I'm just excited for mafia games in general. I just started, and I love the concept
4) RB, Boon, and Gamma are the only ones I recognize

[WhyMafia]

Hello. I'll start with a RQS since I don't think I've done it in a while, even ignoring my absence.
1: What is your favorite open setup and why?
2: What is your favorite and least favorite role, and why?
3: On a scale of one to ten how excited are you for this game?
4: Who do you not have experience with in this playerlist?
My answers
1: Jungle Anarchy, since it's a setup that relies a lot on scumhunting rather than PRs
2: I like Vigilantes, since I have had some good experiences with them. I don't like Gladiators much since they can cause major problems if used by bad town.
3: Eight. I liked the last setup that Dierfire had, but I'm hoping we can get something more interesting this time around.
4: A lot. The only ones I DO have experience with is rb, Tywin, and Flubbernugget.

VOTE: gamma emerald
Meh
I don't like this considering I had to read through page 1 of fluff

id like to reread the game without having endless fluff to wade through

Any original thoughts for me or what

Lemme read up

I just realized I'm putting a lot of these smilies on.
Pft who cares

[WhyMafia]

Nobody ever gets excited to be town, and regardless, he's scum.

Not true. I personally think mafia goon is quite boring to play as

[WhyMafia]

Don't care at all about your meta btw. You saying you have posts all over and people should know you shows you manipulate it when scum.

Fair enough.
I think meta is a weak argument as well

[WhyMafia]

Why did you quote rb's comment about my RQS then do the RQS

Oh my apologies. Misclicked

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: Rb

Don't like this vote

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: tywin

but i think tywin being defensive about my post about how shitty scum alignment liking ppl are is telling

Meh
I didn't see it that way
I just saw two people discussing theory

[WhyMafia]

I'm sorry but I have to back rb here, I've been part of a scumread that won thanks to a terrible town.

There is no terrible town or terrible scum, only terrible players. You'd have won as either alignment against bad players.

Thing is I was rather bad myself, but somehow Town managed to lose after getting close to victory.

I am still bad x d

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: Rb

UNVOTE:
VOTE: flubber

I wanted to see who'd join 4th slot. Now I know

Isn't 4th on the wagon what you look at after a slot flips town

It still looks really bad that you're hopping onto a bandwagoned slot. If you're voting for fluff, basically anyone who posted at that stage of the game could've been voted yet you choose RB

[WhyMafia]

vote rb

policy lynch

not serious

but still worth the vote, despite 3-4 people already doing this

What was the worth in voting him?

[WhyMafia]

wrong flashwagon noobs

You're not very good at this... are you? I'm obvious town.

Umm
Not at the moment

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: Rb

UNVOTE:
VOTE: flubber

I wanted to see who'd join 4th slot. Now I know

Isn't 4th on the wagon what you look at after a slot flips town

Not during RVS and nobody posting anything yet. I wanted to see who'd take the bait. Why'd you vote RB over anyone else, unless you SR him over the past two pages?

Did you read page 1? I was about to vote him before I saw others even posted. Apparently there were like 4 pages and I skimmed through them, was like, nah still worth the vote

How is worth? Because he fluff posted?

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: Rb

UNVOTE:
VOTE: flubber

I wanted to see who'd join 4th slot. Now I know

Isn't 4th on the wagon what you look at after a slot flips town

Not during RVS and nobody posting anything yet. I wanted to see who'd take the bait. Why'd you vote RB over anyone else, unless you SR him over the past two pages?

Did you read page 1? I was about to vote him before I saw others even posted. Apparently there were like 4 pages and I skimmed through them, was like, nah still worth the vote

found the 3rd scum

shitposting = scumtell

Ok

Don't understand what RB is trying to say here

[WhyMafia]

Yer haHAA but this game is solved and can we lynch flubber/tywin now thanks bubs

Meh. You shouldn't get complacent

[WhyMafia]

My policy lynch "not serious" vote now changed to a serious scumread vote

"Shitposting=scum" not when I say it's a policy lynch, you don't even try to look at what I read, you just turn it against me while misinterpreting it, then go "3rd scum found" as if the entire scumteam is going to pile on to you like that. I didn't scumread you before but I do now.

Cool story scumerino, sit in the corner until town's ready to lynch you please.

I don't often think the "populair wagon" is on actual scum. But this is one of the cases where I think, there's actually a decent chance you'll roll scum. Let me sum your contribution so far:
- shitposting entire page 1
- saying the people on your wagon are scum
- when I say to policy lynch you, and also say it's not serious, you act like I'm scumreading you by saying "lol shitposting=scum" sarcastic remark
- you respond by calling me scum for correctly pointing out the holes in your logic, which turns my joke vote I was willing to take off had you responded normallly, into an actual serious vote and scumread

No way I'm going to bandwagon a policy lynch unserious bandwagon as scum when my teammate already did so who you already called out.... say we're scum pushing you as a mislynch, what happens after you flip? We all connected? Your story makes no sense and the fact you don't see that is a scumtell. You're just literally voting people back for voting you for obvious reasons (the day 1 spam which was anti-town).

I like this post

[WhyMafia]

Like to hear more from Melanora, Biochemist, Cool dog. But its still the weekend.

I would like to hear more from you

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: rb

If he was to explain how to get town cred, then scum could exploit it. We can always ask him to explain (if he's still alive) why he tr read you at that point. My read of RB is currently null as well, but refusing to elaborate isn't as scummy as you're making it out to be

[WhyMafia]

I'm starting to see where Boonskiies is coming from

then vote me

I'm starting to see where Boonskiies is coming from

why don't you have a vote on me yet

Oh god

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: choof

Voting for yourself does not make you seem towny in anyway

[WhyMafia]

Spoiler: perrsonal bit

metaing me doesn't work well because I am bipolar 2 and am frequently changing medications

When did we say anything about your meta?

[WhyMafia]

And AtE is when you appeal to our emotions to gain sympathy

[WhyMafia]

Yeah. Especially with how Tywin saying town is easy makes me feel she's not strong as scum. That being said.

VOTE: Tywin

Wait so.. rb asks which one of flubber or tywin is scum, you answer it saying both are, then vote me? Lol?

Do you have any original thoughts of your own, or is RB the one you're going to sheep all game? He's obviously the bad town player of this game, which means you sheeping him and giving no original thought means you're the bad scum of the game.

VOTE: Boonskies

Let's play a game. I call it 'see who gets lynched first.' Thus is how it works. I put scum like you into a wagon, and I'm now the counter. Your buddies won't wanna vote you, so they'll vote me. They won't succeed at lynching me though, so they'll either have to hard defend your wagon before you flip, or they have to run around trying to form a separate counter. No matter what, they'll fuck up and give scum tells. Just like you did in your entrance.

This is gonna be a fun game.

Nah, I'm not going to vote you. I can link you a lot of my town games to show you that in literally every single game I get pushed because I make some nonsense illogical push.

In actuality, your case on me actually can be taken as a town case for me as well. It's illogical for scum to do what you said I did. I had basically this exact situation in the beginning of a newbie game I recently finished with Michael.

Michael, Tywin's push is pretty similar to the push from that newbie on me with how I came in and commented on the Zeus/Chickadee from our last game.

Wait hold on. I thought you didn't support using self-meta?

[WhyMafia]

Oh god
Reading through this game has been torture. So much sub-optimal play

@Everyone
I don't think boon "freaked out" per say. He initiated this "1 v 1" of sort. What kind of scum draws that much attention to himself

[WhyMafia]

Didn't realize my predecessor was voting RB UNVOTE: All

[WhyMafia]

@Everyone
I don't think boon "freaked out" per say. He initiated this "1 v 1" of sort. What kind of scum draws that much attention to himself

Am I the only one that thinks this could be scum v scum?

Yeah, that popped up in my head as well. If one of them flips scum, then the other might be treated better off. Meanwhile it also distracts us from examining other people, bc all our attention is on them.

[WhyMafia]

I want to vote kasumetere but I dont want to unvote choof

Why? I TR him. I like his tone and posts

[WhyMafia]

@WhyMaf - I don't generally care for meta cases either way, but I do indeed use self-meta. In the end, it helps me figure myself out and become more aware.

Hm. What's your stance on bussing?

[WhyMafia]

VOTE COUNT 1.07

rb (3): CooLDoG, Flubbernugget, choof
Tywin Lannister (2): rb, Boonskiies
Flubbernugget (1): Gamma Emerald
Boonskiies (1) : Tywin Lannister
choof (1): Michael Lee

No Vote (5): Kasumeat, Melanora, Backhand, TheFuzzylogic99, WhyMafia

With 13 players living, 7/13 votes are required to lynch.

TIMER

(expired on 2017-05-09 20:15:00)

NOTES

Melanora V/LA until 1 May
choof V/LA until 2 May
Players are reminded to refrain from personal attacks.

Thanks for all the vote counts

[WhyMafia]

Boon, what are your strongest town reads atm?

p-edit
Ah ok.

[WhyMafia]

Tywin, who are your strongest town reads as well.

[WhyMafia]

Boon, what are your strongest town reads atm?

p-edit
Ah ok.

michael/kas

I see the Kas.

I liked Michael's posts up until a certain point. Ever since then, I feel like he's been being fake

[WhyMafia]

How do you two feel about RB?

Which two players are you referring to?

[WhyMafia]

Tywin, who are your strongest town reads as well.

I generally bus as scum, but not usually in unnecessarily. I think town reading your scum partners end up being stronger if you can work well together.

Just curious, but would you ever bus on D1? What if that person is a strong player? What if they had a strong scum PR?

I kind of agree with you here. If the player is generally weak as scum and it's known theyll eventually be caught, scum almost have to bus. If the player is strong though and a pillar holding up the team, id actively avoid it if I could, maybe even ignore their slot entirely.

I just cant see any reason for scum to bus on D1. Something very bad would have to go wrong for scum to even consider it. The real issue is that people forget what happened on D1 all most entirely by late game, so the town cred gained from a bus is pretty useless. It's also way too easy to let them destroy themselves by being scummy and wrapping the rope around their own necks. D1 mislynches are practically assured for any decent scum team. Otherwise, an NL is in the cards.

eeee reply to this
I want to feel relevant in discussion

[WhyMafia]

How do you two feel about RB?

Which two players are you referring to?

You and Boon.

I am null. I can't read him at all.
If there's a cop, RB might be a good target

[WhyMafia]

[quote="In post 512, rb"][/quote]
ikr
I really like the activity on this game

[WhyMafia]

ikr
I really like the activity on this game

idk what happened
it's suppose to RB's post where he said 13 pages in 6 hours

[WhyMafia]

At least tywin and boon are probably not a scumteam

That's too many words to try and lynch through

That's exactly why they might be a scum team

[WhyMafia]

Honestly, I know you all trash talk my theory about scum team playstyles, but who wants to bet at least one scum is in the one post wonder column of Cooldog/backhand/biochemist/fuzzylogic/etc and remains a prod dodging lurker the entire game? Any takers for post game?

I'll also bet that my theory holds true almost entirely this game. One real active scum who tries to be town leader, one hardcore prod dodging lurker, and one to two background fence sitters that nobody remembers exists.

I'm speaking for post game here, but Mark it down. We'll see whose right after the game.

I understand what you're saying, but TBH it all depends on each individual player's personalities. You can't assume this holds true for every game

[WhyMafia]

I really don't like Flubbernugget's posts

I can support a lynch on him.

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: Flubber
Explanation coming soon

[WhyMafia]

I could sheep WhyMafia here

I am honored

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: Rb

Ok. He voted him. After there was a wagon on RB already. Let's keep reading!

TL also has a lot of fluff

So does everyone at that state of the game. Why vote RB for that reason alone?

VOTE: Rb

UNVOTE:
VOTE: flubber

I wanted to see who'd join 4th slot. Now I know

Isn't 4th on the wagon what you look at after a slot flips town

Seems to me like he doesn't want pressure on him

I'm sorry but I have to back rb here, I've been part of a scumread that won thanks to a terrible town.

There is no terrible town or terrible scum, only terrible players. You'd have won as either alignment against bad players.

so dumb

it's like a totally different game playing town vs. playing scum

That's where I was going but when you make posts like this I don't want to sheep you

wait what. I don't understand this. Did he want to sheep RB at one point? Even though he was already voting him? Seeing as he's kinda meh on his read, why doesn't he unvote?

I personally don't like Flub's response to the dichotomy.
VOTE: Flubbernugget

I'm not sure where you're seeing a dichotomy

1) Rb should be getting better reads off of his flashwagon

2)Flashwagon means less rqs fluff

wrong flashwagon noobs

You're not very good at this... are you? I'm obvious town.

I almost want to ask you to elaborate but I know better

I personally don't like Flub's response to the dichotomy.
VOTE: Flubbernugget

I'm not sure where you're seeing a dichotomy

The dichotomy of scum or town being easier to win at.

I consider that to be irrelevant to this game. Why do you disagree m

Quick disclaimer

My posts have the worst typos on the site and I'm getting less and less interested in trying to correct them

I personally don't like Flub's response to the dichotomy.
VOTE: Flubbernugget

I'm not sure where you're seeing a dichotomy

The dichotomy of scum or town being easier to win at.

I consider that to be irrelevant to this game. Why do you disagree m

In saying your vote on rb followed by accusing Tywin of fluffing seems rather like playing both sides.

Both sides?

You do realize there's probably more than one scum in the game right?

You think you're cute don't you

Flubber has caught me out on a lie before when I was scum, he got lynched, and I survived the next three days afterwards. Not relevant, but that's my funniest flubber moment.

Grrrrrrr

Hi Boonskiies

My policy lynch "not serious" vote now changed to a serious scumread vote

"Shitposting=scum" not when I say it's a policy lynch, you don't even try to look at what I read, you just turn it against me while misinterpreting it, then go "3rd scum found" as if the entire scumteam is going to pile on to you like that. I didn't scumread you before but I do now.

More reads Pls

more reads from you plz

Who is scum

Choof

What are you doing

Why is rb useless and not just scum

I'm starting to see where Boonskiies is coming from

And I'd let my buddies bus the hell out of me. The game I was talking about earlier with flubber, I claimed tracker day 1, day 2 I claimed a guilty on my buddy, we got in a deep 1v1, day 4 I got in a deep 1v1 with my other buddy and got him lynched. Won the game in lylo where I kept alive a claimed mason from day 1. You're flawed. Don't use the "you've never played with me" defense if you aren't willing to accept it both ways.

Boonskiies

I think you're a cool dude

But the way you bring that game up I really think you peaked early

Why is rb useless and not just scum

Missing the point. He was telling rb to play serious. No alignment evaluation was involved.

There's a whole 1v1 to comment on

Why is this the only thing you're seeing

hypocrite much?



Overall, I feel like he's been lying low to avoid attention. In addition, he seems to be trying to be perceived as scum hunting when in reality, he really hasn't. He definitely knows the gamestate considering he's been posting every so often, and often shifts the attention off himself.


(This is probably really bad reasoning. My apologies. It's just that I'm really sure he's scum)

[WhyMafia]

yeah, im not going onto flubber after that comment.

You won't vote him bc of which comment? The one by Ty saying that he might vote Flubber depending on my post?

[WhyMafia]

Nvm read the VC wrong. K well, good luck you two. I'll be dead before you even if you're both town, because you vote town over scum hunting.

You're at L-5
Chill. There's plenty of time to change votes. FoS bc you seem quite nit-picky over two votes even though it is quite early.

[WhyMafia]

Boonskies won't go on flubber, but will vote rb, the obvious lynchbait player. Irony

where the hell did i ever say I would vote rb? WTF?!?! here we are with the straight up lying again. I won't vote rb toDay either.

Sheep me. I want to feel special and noteworthy

[WhyMafia]

@Everyone
I don't think boon "freaked out" per say. He initiated this "1 v 1" of sort. What kind of scum draws that much attention to himself

Am I the only one that thinks this could be scum v scum?

yes, and I can't figure why youd think this

unless

if you're scum, hence my comment on "kasumeat is scum" earlier

like how do you read that and actually consider the possibility of it being scum vs scum - that seems like some scummy thing to say especially if theyre town vs town

putting it out here: if choof is scum, then boon and twyn are both town

that said I townread the others regardless of choofs alignment, but thats a personal read and this is an interaction which is more telling

meh
please comment what you think on Flubber

[WhyMafia]

Im not voting anywhere tywin is okay with. Im probably not leaving his wagon unless choof is near hammer range and we're getting down to the deadline.

That's horrible logic though. He could exploit that on you

[WhyMafia]

WhyMAfia: It's clear what you're getting at here. You're calling him a fence sitter who isn't actually looking to find scum.

And opportunistic! And a hypocrite!

[WhyMafia]

The reason I'm considering scum v scum is that that whole exchange was really stupid. Tywin's case was garbage, and Boon's overreaction to Tywin's garbage case was strange. Both strike me as experienced players, and when I see experienced players acting really, really stupid, it's often because they're scum. I think it's an exchange that good scum players are capable of making, because even if it ends up with one getting lynched, it looks really good for the other.

^^
sums up what I'm semi-afraid of

[WhyMafia]

Boonskies won't go on flubber, but will vote rb, the obvious lynchbait player. Irony

where the hell did i ever say I would vote rb? WTF?!?! here we are with the straight up lying again. I won't vote rb toDay either.

Sheep me. I want to feel special and noteworthy

I'm the first vote fyi

yes but everyone completely forgot about him

[WhyMafia]

The reason I'm considering scum v scum is that that whole exchange was really stupid. Tywin's case was garbage, and Boon's overreaction to Tywin's garbage case was strange. Both strike me as experienced players, and when I see experienced players acting really, really stupid, it's often because they're scum. I think it's an exchange that good scum players are capable of making, because even if it ends up with one getting lynched, it looks really good for the other.

You really think it was scum theater? I'm flattered, but that's pretty damn hard to pull off and not end with a lynch. You'd have to assume daychat to coordinate it right, and what exactly is the scum motivation to do a SvS on D1? To make people are TvT? That's awfully optimistic. I stopped thinking people will do anything I assume they would, even the most logical next step/optimal play, because it gets proven wrong time and time again.

Basically, you think Boon and I pulled the scum theater of the century? Can you even name a game where this happened before? With players that don't know each other?

It's highly improbable, but still something to think about

[WhyMafia]

Hi everyone....

yesterday I was on a trip. I did not have time for the game. Today was busy with family . I have read about thirteen pages, right now I cant tell if RB is bad scum or bad town, His play has been really erradict. Boon vrs Tywin seems town verses town but I want to read more to figure things. I think Tywin is wrong about town and scum but that doesnt make him scum....just wrong

The rest I need more time to get some read.

I will post more later tonight.

sorry about being MIA

Have fun catching up. It's going to be a pain if we keep posting at the rate we currently are

[WhyMafia]

Almost 25 pages in just a day and a half wow

[WhyMafia]

NOOOOO EVERYONE LEFT

[WhyMafia]

Pg 14

I obviously have to retract what I said about Gamma

Huh? Are you catching up rn?

[WhyMafia]

My policy lynch "not serious" vote now changed to a serious scumread vote

"Shitposting=scum" not when I say it's a policy lynch, you don't even try to look at what I read, you just turn it against me while misinterpreting it, then go "3rd scum found" as if the entire scumteam is going to pile on to you like that. I didn't scumread you before but I do now.

Cool story scumerino, sit in the corner until town's ready to lynch you please.

I don't often think the "populair wagon" is on actual scum. But this is one of the cases where I think, there's actually a decent chance you'll roll scum. Let me sum your contribution so far:
- shitposting entire page 1
- saying the people on your wagon are scum
- when I say to policy lynch you, and also say it's not serious, you act like I'm scumreading you by saying "lol shitposting=scum" sarcastic remark
- you respond by calling me scum for correctly pointing out the holes in your logic, which turns my joke vote I was willing to take off had you responded normallly, into an actual serious vote and scumread

No way I'm going to bandwagon a policy lynch unserious bandwagon as scum when my teammate already did so who you already called out.... say we're scum pushing you as a mislynch, what happens after you flip? We all connected? Your story makes no sense and the fact you don't see that is a scumtell. You're just literally voting people back for voting you for obvious reasons (the day 1 spam which was anti-town).

I like this post

?? Looks like he laid down a scum case with no vote

I replaced in. My predecessor voted for RB

[WhyMafia]

(This is probably really bad reasoning. My apologies. It's just that I'm really sure he's scum)

I blew this off at first because I know how easy it is to pick a scum case apart piece by piece but I'd rather not get into another interaction like TL and Boonskiies.

However, the fact that you have zero confidence in a case you literally just wrote is highly suspect.

No I'm sure you're scum

I just don't know how to articulate it well

[WhyMafia]

(This is probably really bad reasoning. My apologies. It's just that I'm really sure he's scum)

I blew this off at first because I know how easy it is to pick a scum case apart piece by piece but I'd rather not get into another interaction like TL and Boonskiies.

However, the fact that you have zero confidence in a case you literally just wrote is highly suspect.

No I'm sure you're scum

I just don't know how to articulate it well

And you don't think that says anything about how worthwhile your read is?

Nope! I'm bad at putting words to what I believe. However, you're yet to refute my points. All you've been trying to do is discredit me

[WhyMafia]

????

Sorry for not jumping right on the wagon right now??? Is that what the problem is???

I'm not a random fucking sheep, so I'm not going to just vote willy nilly based on where the wagons are going.

I don't just randomly jump around on votes. That's not me. When I vote for someone, I stay with that vote, because it's someone that I 100% believe is scum. Pressure votes are fucking stupid.

Disagree with this. Reasoning has already been articulated by others

[WhyMafia]

I actually townread TFL99 as well because his entrance is good

Yeah I agree with that statement

[WhyMafia]

I like Mel's tone in her posts

Post 650 is the only alarm bell post from her

[WhyMafia]

You seem to agree with me that rb has no reads based on your questioning.

You should put a vote there

What? Also I townread him.

Wait what now

You town read ... RB?

If so, please explain what I'm missing

[WhyMafia]

I like Mel's tone in her posts

Post 650 is the only alarm bell post from her

I don't. At all. She's too afraid to vote anyone, and claims when she does she 100% believes their scum?

No townie should EVER be 100% on anyone else on D1 unless they're a mason, and even then it's not certain their buddy is also town.

No, she's stalling and waiting to see who she can vote with the least push back on herself. She's scum.

VOTE: Mel

I can understand where you're coming from, but for now, I don't think she's our best lynch candidate. I want to see how she uses her votes.

[WhyMafia]

I like Mel's tone in her posts

Post 650 is the only alarm bell post from her

I don't. At all. She's too afraid to vote anyone, and claims when she does she 100% believes their scum?

No townie should EVER be 100% on anyone else on D1 unless they're a mason, and even then it's not certain their buddy is also town.

No, she's stalling and waiting to see who she can vote with the least push back on herself. She's scum.

VOTE: Mel

You do know it's not normal to have scum masons

Fine, then in this specific game,masons can assume their buddy is town. Godfather isnt normal either, but I'm pretty sure it used to be. Idk the definitions of normal roles anymore

Unless it's a bastard game, masons will never be scum I believe

[WhyMafia]

did anyone vote choof outside of me? I think he'd be an easy target for scum to vote on after doing a few scummy things, here's my current thought process:

- choof voted me, then rb
- rb wagon caught sick speed

maybe choof is scum and rb is town?

for scumchoof, it doenst matter if he votes me first then switches to rb

a lot of people backed off of rb as well which is interesting

did anyone hard defend rb yet?

I'm really liking choof scum and rb town for now and I request people to look into these 2 players for now:

choof

kasumeat

It's bc RB is currently meh for me. I have a scum lean, but I have a stronger scum lean on Flubber and Choof

[WhyMafia]

Literally, as soon as we hit day five of ten, my vote is going onto Tywin unless something changes. Tywin listed all of the actions that scum take, and then proceeds to perform all of them.


I find it interesting you guys are so butthurt I'm not voting yet, but we're not even 1/5 of the way through the day phase. I didn't say I would never vote, I didn't say I would wait until the last hour to vote. The day has barely even gotten anywhere so far. Why is it so imperative I vote immediately? fuzzy hasn't voted either. Why is it so scummy that I have reserved my vote?

bc why wait till day 5 ..
I can understand not voting rn, but why the hell would you not vote Day 1 or Day 2

[WhyMafia]

Literally, as soon as we hit day five of ten, my vote is going onto Tywin unless something changes. Tywin listed all of the actions that scum take, and then proceeds to perform all of them.


I find it interesting you guys are so butthurt I'm not voting yet, but we're not even 1/5 of the way through the day phase. I didn't say I would never vote, I didn't say I would wait until the last hour to vote. The day has barely even gotten anywhere so far. Why is it so imperative I vote immediately? fuzzy hasn't voted either. Why is it so scummy that I have reserved my vote?

bc why wait till day 5 ..
I can understand not voting rn, but why the hell would you not vote Day 1 or Day 2

I think she meant Day 5 of Day 1. Like in real days.

oh
I'm stupid
I misread

[WhyMafia]

Really like Mel's posts

Yeah I have a solid TR on her

[WhyMafia]

This game must be like 6/7 because everyone is fucking scummy

I think you're the only one that thinks thet

[WhyMafia]

(This is probably really bad reasoning. My apologies. It's just that I'm really sure he's scum)

I blew this off at first because I know how easy it is to pick a scum case apart piece by piece but I'd rather not get into another interaction like TL and Boonskiies.

However, the fact that you have zero confidence in a case you literally just wrote is highly suspect.

No I'm sure you're scum

I just don't know how to articulate it well

And you don't think that says anything about how worthwhile your read is?

Nope! I'm bad at putting words to what I believe. However, you're yet to refute my points. All you've been trying to do is discredit me

You have yet to get anyone to sheep your points. They're bad enough to fall apart on their own.

Also if I were to refute your points I would be discrediting your read so your latest accusation is again baseless

Yes but you're simply discrediting me without anything to back it up. At least counter my read then. It would be discrediting the play rather than the player. By repeatedly calling my read poop, you're pretty much discrediting whatever I shall say. At least tell me why my read is garbage. I don't see why it's an issue for you

[WhyMafia]

Why does everyone sr choof

I think you can answer that yourself if you look at his posts

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: Rb

Ok. He voted him. After there was a wagon on RB already. Let's keep reading!

TL also has a lot of fluff

So does everyone at that state of the game. Why vote RB for that reason alone?

VOTE: Rb

UNVOTE:
VOTE: flubber

I wanted to see who'd join 4th slot. Now I know

Isn't 4th on the wagon what you look at after a slot flips town

Seems to me like he doesn't want pressure on him

I'm sorry but I have to back rb here, I've been part of a scumread that won thanks to a terrible town.

There is no terrible town or terrible scum, only terrible players. You'd have won as either alignment against bad players.

so dumb

it's like a totally different game playing town vs. playing scum

That's where I was going but when you make posts like this I don't want to sheep you

wait what. I don't understand this. Did he want to sheep RB at one point? Even though he was already voting him? Seeing as he's kinda meh on his read, why doesn't he unvote?

I personally don't like Flub's response to the dichotomy.
VOTE: Flubbernugget

I'm not sure where you're seeing a dichotomy

1) Rb should be getting better reads off of his flashwagon

2)Flashwagon means less rqs fluff

wrong flashwagon noobs

You're not very good at this... are you? I'm obvious town.

I almost want to ask you to elaborate but I know better

I personally don't like Flub's response to the dichotomy.
VOTE: Flubbernugget

I'm not sure where you're seeing a dichotomy

The dichotomy of scum or town being easier to win at.

I consider that to be irrelevant to this game. Why do you disagree m

Quick disclaimer

My posts have the worst typos on the site and I'm getting less and less interested in trying to correct them

I personally don't like Flub's response to the dichotomy.
VOTE: Flubbernugget

I'm not sure where you're seeing a dichotomy

The dichotomy of scum or town being easier to win at.

I consider that to be irrelevant to this game. Why do you disagree m

In saying your vote on rb followed by accusing Tywin of fluffing seems rather like playing both sides.

Both sides?

You do realize there's probably more than one scum in the game right?

You think you're cute don't you

Flubber has caught me out on a lie before when I was scum, he got lynched, and I survived the next three days afterwards. Not relevant, but that's my funniest flubber moment.

Grrrrrrr

Hi Boonskiies

My policy lynch "not serious" vote now changed to a serious scumread vote

"Shitposting=scum" not when I say it's a policy lynch, you don't even try to look at what I read, you just turn it against me while misinterpreting it, then go "3rd scum found" as if the entire scumteam is going to pile on to you like that. I didn't scumread you before but I do now.

More reads Pls

more reads from you plz

Who is scum

Choof

What are you doing

Why is rb useless and not just scum

I'm starting to see where Boonskiies is coming from

And I'd let my buddies bus the hell out of me. The game I was talking about earlier with flubber, I claimed tracker day 1, day 2 I claimed a guilty on my buddy, we got in a deep 1v1, day 4 I got in a deep 1v1 with my other buddy and got him lynched. Won the game in lylo where I kept alive a claimed mason from day 1. You're flawed. Don't use the "you've never played with me" defense if you aren't willing to accept it both ways.

Boonskiies

I think you're a cool dude

But the way you bring that game up I really think you peaked early

Why is rb useless and not just scum

Missing the point. He was telling rb to play serious. No alignment evaluation was involved.

There's a whole 1v1 to comment on

Why is this the only thing you're seeing

hypocrite much?



Overall, I feel like he's been lying low to avoid attention. In addition, he seems to be trying to be perceived as scum hunting when in reality, he really hasn't. He definitely knows the gamestate considering he's been posting every so often, and often shifts the attention off himself.


(This is probably really bad reasoning. My apologies. It's just that I'm really sure he's scum)

@RB here

[WhyMafia]

I don't have any scum read worth noting. We are only two days into the game.....its a bit early to get good reads, A lot of it is just white noise I think scum is using to try to get mislynches. Also I suck the first few game days . I don't usually get my scum hunting skill going till a little later than most. Anyways I want a little bit more time to get better reads on people.

There are a few players like Boon, Flub,Tywin that I have played with before so I should be able to get a decent read on them after a little bit but there are players like Mel and back I don't know so I am trying to figure them out without possibly mislynching them if they are town. That's why I was asking those questions.

You shouldn't use meta to influence your reads

[WhyMafia]

whymafia "what was the worth in voting him" (at me voting rb)

eh, just to show how much I dislike his opening, I disliked it enough to punish it with a vote, it wasnt game relevant and I stated it outright - it became gamerelevant - and now I townread him

Now on to what I think about you:

honestly I hate all his guys posts but he pushed flub at least

he kind of suggests me to push kasumeat because when I say "I want to vote kasumeat but I dont want to unvote choof" he asks "why? I like choof" which I will take at face value as a town slip unless if he's teammates with choof and trying me to push the kasumeat mislynch, problem with this is i scumread kasumeat and townread choof now, this makes whymafia townie

don't like the cop should check rb suggestion at all, but its more of a disagreement than it being a scumtell

wait does whymafia just suggest boon tywin scumteam as well? damn

he does vote flubber though...

yeah I really like the tunnel, it is a great tunnel and im glad to see more people have come to similar conclusions as myself

slightly problematic that boonskiies wont go with the flubber vote (for boon, that is, not for whymafia)

this guy is making it really hard but im willing to townread him for now for the fact he pushed flubber and kasumeat

Yes I am very hard to read mwahahah

[WhyMafia]

Flubber is at L-2

I'll refute flubber's points on why he's not scum when I get home (mobile posting is annoying)

[WhyMafia]

Catching up now

BTW
Can we move on from TY/Boon and discuss in depth other people? Sure I might be seen as deflecting for my scum buddies, but we're just prolonging useless discussion. Them two are going to fight tooth and nail and never admit their own faults

[WhyMafia]

Whymafia I always seem to naturally want to town read him for some reason. I'm not exactly sure how to deal with that, and I'm lean town where I am right now. Just am.

Can you look at my ISO and tell me what's town about me? I also had a voice in my head that said "it might be svs (you and TL)" yet you didn't call me out for it xd

[WhyMafia]

Think we've moved on from boon--don't think the discussion on Tywin is useless at all right now. Where are you at on tywin?

He's floundering
He is either trying to find something to make him look towny, or just a town that has begun tunneling

[WhyMafia]

I am going to look at his ISO to try to make a better read though

[WhyMafia]

yo can someone pull a vote off of flub while I write up my post so I don't accidentally post it after day end and get modkilled, big ups

The thread will be locked you won't be modkilled

And we can discuss until mid finalizes the lynch (twilight)

[WhyMafia]

I wanted this to be about tywin not flubs but still:

NO HAMMERING UNTIL WE HEAR FROM EVERYONE

Lol no, this day doesn't need to go any longer

50 page day1 is gonna be a fucksetick to read through already

Why? Any form of discussion helps town.
Limiting discussion helps scum.
Don't like this post at all

[WhyMafia]

I wanted this to be about tywin not flubs but still:

NO HAMMERING UNTIL WE HEAR FROM EVERYONE

Lol no, this day doesn't need to go any longer

50 page day1 is gonna be a fucksetick to read through already

Why? Any form of discussion helps town.
Limiting discussion helps scum.
Don't like this post at all

Re-reading the game also helps town

Lknger games don't correlate with more town wins

More discussion does.

[WhyMafia]

There's a point where discussion is pointless and people just start getting tired and lose interest

Judging by the activity level, I don't think any of us are losing interest
In fact, this is quite an enjoyable game so far

[WhyMafia]

I want people to be engaged in the game, because engagement = better town

Just adding more words doesn't necessarily help

Fair enough, but fewer posts means less info to sort through/analyze

[WhyMafia]

did anyone claim intent to hammer

Idk what that means, but nobody should hammer atm

[WhyMafia]

I just want to note the hypocrisy in cooldog's posting for scum reading me when now he's doing the same thing. Yeah, flubber's gonna flip town.

Sorry if this is stupid, but can you sum up your case on Flubber and Cooldog?

[WhyMafia]

yeah, but

you have previously reduced it to such.

If you say bad play is never grounds to lynch, then you have to bite the bullet that all bad play isn't worth a lynch. The reason lal is no longer a thing is because for starters people don't have balls anymore, and secondly because town tell "lies" all the time. Thus, town "play bad" when they lie. You already said that this is not worthy of a lynch, thus your Twly vote is pointless. You can back up and say that bad play is worth a lynch and then we would agree.

Yes, you're taking one thing I said and warping it into "flubber only thinks in absolutes"

Only scum play games of absolutes

Sith*

[WhyMafia]

has anyone toyed around with the idea that gamma and rb is a scum team

I can see RB. I'll read Gamma ISO tho

[WhyMafia]

I just want to note the hypocrisy in cooldog's posting for scum reading me when now he's doing the same thing. Yeah, flubber's gonna flip town.

Sorry if this is stupid, but can you sum up your case on Flubber and Cooldog?

What mine isn't good enough??

Dude scumreads you of course it's not good because it's you

Could have changed

He never actually responded to my case against his

Must've missed it. Sorry, it's just that school ends in 5 weeks, so I'm being bombarded with work that I've been procrastinating

[WhyMafia]

I'm willing to change my vote to TL
My case on him is weaker than the majority's on TL
I know this isn't my own thought butttttt
Lynch all liars after all! Just the sheer number of contradictions he has mind boggles me. Like why.
If he's town, there's plenty of stuff we can pull from that

Tell me when to hammer
UNVOTE: all

[WhyMafia]

I don't wanna be a doosh and vote TL until he comes on one last time

In the small chance you're town Ty, please post who your biggest scum reads are and who should be our priority to lynch tomorrow

[WhyMafia]

I don't wanna be a doosh and vote TL until he comes on one last time

In the small chance you're town Ty, please post who your biggest scum reads are and who should be our priority to lynch tomorrow

he stated earlier that it's Myself and Melo.

Yes but who more
I want his strongest scum read

While we're at it, @TL, who's your strongest town read that you would bet everything on?

[WhyMafia]

People have been scum reading TL throughout the whole day lol

It's just that he has more things going against him

[WhyMafia]

I like my theory of TL being town...I think he kind of been an obnoxious jerk ( nothing personal) which I think is just his play style. I think he is just being stuborn and unwilling to admit Boon is prob town. I can say the same thing about Boon.

I think RB is scum the way he is flip flopping around as if trying to figure out what is the best move for him.

Vote RB

I kind of agree, but was now really the best time?

[WhyMafia]

Fml 12 pages within 8 hours
How what why

[WhyMafia]

So frankly I could just vote myself and it wouldn't matter. That or scum have a rokeblocker on me until I get lynched down the road.

Nobody will CC because it's not a fake claim. I've always been obvious town. Any good players would've seen that from my push on noon and then Mel. Since is almost any of you, it's obvious to me the townie ones on my wagon don't actually read between the lines.

I was first to get L1 for a reason, and that isn't cuz I'm scum. Think about it.

Regardless, I'm done posting so you mine as well hammer. I dont survive the night either way.

There's probably some TP

I'm sorry that we're not up to your standards, but seriously, you were just wayyy to overzealous.

[WhyMafia]

who is down to change the votes to kasumeat real quickly and sees who goes along? I am but I don't want it to be interpreted as "tywin is scum because people are backing off flubber" because thats not the point

like I thought I had my vote on kasumeat already but votecount said flubby, oh well, either is fine

I am willing on flubber/kasu based on what I've read so far
Subject to change

[WhyMafia]

I got an idea, we leave tywin alive

if he gets nightkilled -> we didnt mislynch

if he lives through -> he gives us his scan

repeat the process. if he's lying, he will get counterclaimed and we have 1 guaranteed scum, or if he's checking his buddies, he won't get CC'd but then he's connecting all his buddies so who cares

kasumeat "michael gamma tywin scum" rofl

kasumeat is EXTREME SCUM

Like this plan

[WhyMafia]

I think Boon is town if kasumat flips scum btw, because of that SvS comment. He also said gamma, me, Michael as the scum team, not me, boonskies, whoever. They're not buddies at least.

I still think rb and choof are town too. Flubber voting me is obvious if he's town too, because I was the counter. Backhand looks town as well.

So that leaves kasumat as the most likely scum on my wagon, and his push even after was a slip I think. Overeager scum that had no idea his mislynch would claim cop and get derailed.

Also.. I did crumb sort of. I mentioned a few times a cop could solve the me vs boon dilemma, because I knew there was a cop. Me. I also said more than once that we will find out who is scum sooner or later even if they aren't lynched tonight. It was a hint saying id investigate them. Aside from that, I hate claiming and crumbing, since scum look for it while town have no reason to.

Like this post
God I kinda understand you now

[WhyMafia]

So? That point about the cop claiming odd night cop is completely different than claiming loud role cop. That isn't the same role. Cop and role cop are two separate entities. That's crap. He didn't change his claim until I stated that there was a weak JK in the game.

Also, he stated that he'll find out soon enough on our alignments, but a role cop doesn't figure out anything about alignments. He fucked up. That is caught out scum who messed up on the fake claim.

Wait what he changed his claim
Fml now I have to re-read

[WhyMafia]

Ugh I just arrived at school and I have a two hour jazz band rehearsal
Will not be able to catch up till tomorrow

[WhyMafia]

I am confused af on why I'm being town read by everyone

I feel like at least one of the "You're my strongest town reads" is a scum attempting to buddy. I don't have much time today. Thoughts will come tomorrow

[WhyMafia]

Question - Hypothetically, if he was role cop, couldn't he still be mafia? And so they get a NK a high possibility for a mislynch d1, and he could lie about future results. It's just keeping him alive for longer. Just food for thought.

[WhyMafia]

The fact that I'm basically spelling out why he is not a town aligned Role cop just frustrates me.

Oh you were? I still have like 15 pages to catch up on rip

[WhyMafia]

There are no weak roles in matrix 6

If you're going to discredit, please actually try

He's answering what takes presedence lol

Over defensive much?

[WhyMafia]

Going to work now.

@Whymafia, are you able to vote twice on the same person?

blinks

When did I say I was a double voter?

[WhyMafia]

I don't see how you're not seeing that there are so many ways to verify his claim during the night.

"x is vanilla" isn't foolproof but still fairly low risk

But

Loud

role cop. So either he counts on a buddy to cover for him (high risk) or he can't do that. Of course yes, the role doesn't mean that he's town.

% wise, to kill a claimed role D1? I'd have to be 80-90 percent. I'm probably 50-50 right now.

I'd be willing to move off of flub, but oh man if he's scum is that telling. I feel like the *upside* of the flub lynch is very high.

I feel like Flubber is basically confirmed town due to the people pushing their lynch. The same people have been on Flubber, rb, kasu, and myself. Scum is trying so hard to not let their scum leader get lynched toDay.

I never pushed you or kasu

[WhyMafia]

Role cop only receives role right? So they would get goon/vanilla town? Or just vanilla regardless

[WhyMafia]

and why is being town read by both sides. and you are the one who seemingly is on both sides.

I have very much been on both sides. I find everyone's certainty unsettling, whether it's being faked or otherwise.

But anyway.

no. They moved off of flub.

Right, but that's four people. One of whom is Cooldog, now on tywin. So its quite plausible for flub to be scum and all of gamma/michael/rb are town.

And based on this list, you yourself would get more info with a Tywin lynch, so I don't really see consistency with your play. Michael/Gamma are hardcore defending the Tywin slot without giving any actual reads. If you scum read them, it doesn't make sense for you not to scum read Tywin, as it all goes back to him.

Right, but I think there's very little chance that tywin survives through Night 2. He dies tonight or we lynch him tomorrow, or he gets confirmed enough that then he gets killed. The info will still be there. And that was a response to kasu, who asked me if i would consider moving to gamma or michael. My full list preference would probably be:

Flub
TFL (useless)
mel (close)
kasu
rb
michael
cooldog
boon
gamma
whymafia
tywin
choof
backhand

I completely agree with you

I'm trying to be open-minded but god everyone has things against them

[WhyMafia]

Welp
2 lost town power roles
Gosh I'm having a headache from this
Time to check associations

[WhyMafia]

I got a giant post coming, don't worry. I think we had a good day 1.

We lost 2 power roles.
Although the associations are good

Time to see who pushed Ty from my boy Flubber

[WhyMafia]

There is no doubt there was at least 1, if not 2 scum on Ty's wagon
we're down to 6
that leaves
- Boon
- Flubber
- Kasu
- Mel
- RB
- Gamma

I'm checking which ones had the weakest case

[WhyMafia]

Role Cop as town is a negative utility imo. They could do more damage than good

[WhyMafia]

I'm willing to drop a lynch on Fuzzy or Flubber. Sorry Boon, I just don't see how Flubber can be town with TL's lynch yesterday

[WhyMafia]

Which player is better as scum - flubber or tywin?

We should lynch the best one.

Flubber can sweep as scum, but he'll probably be mislynched if he's town. Kind of sucks.

Yeah. Especially with how Tywin saying town is easy makes me feel she's not strong as scum. That being said.

VOTE: Tywin

I predict an extreme 1v1 in this game between RB and Michael. Be ready, y'all.

I'm starting to see where Boonskiies is coming from

Wow at choof. LOL.

@Michael - Can I have assistance with a tunnel onto choof by you?

dramatic self-vote

it's not dramatic I'm a wolf giving up

Like, he's actively giving up here. This is a scum claim. I feel incredibly sorry for whoever his partners are.

Yeah. Especially with how Tywin saying town is easy makes me feel she's not strong as scum. That being said.

VOTE: Tywin

Wait so.. rb asks which one of flubber or tywin is scum, you answer it saying both are, then vote me? Lol?

Do you have any original thoughts of your own, or is RB the one you're going to sheep all game? He's obviously the bad town player of this game, which means you sheeping him and giving no original thought means you're the bad scum of the game.

VOTE: Boonskies

Let's play a game. I call it 'see who gets lynched first.' Thus is how it works. I put scum like you into a wagon, and I'm now the counter. Your buddies won't wanna vote you, so they'll vote me. They won't succeed at lynching me though, so they'll either have to hard defend your wagon before you flip, or they have to run around trying to form a separate counter. No matter what, they'll fuck up and give scum tells. Just like you did in your entrance.

This is gonna be a fun game.

Yeah. Especially with how Tywin saying town is easy makes me feel she's not strong as scum. That being said.

VOTE: Tywin

Wait so.. rb asks which one of flubber or tywin is scum, you answer it saying both are, then vote me? Lol?

Do you have any original thoughts of your own, or is RB the one you're going to sheep all game? He's obviously the bad town player of this game, which means you sheeping him and giving no original thought means you're the bad scum of the game.

VOTE: Boonskies

Let's play a game. I call it 'see who gets lynched first.' Thus is how it works. I put scum like you into a wagon, and I'm now the counter. Your buddies won't wanna vote you, so they'll vote me. They won't succeed at lynching me though, so they'll either have to hard defend your wagon before you flip, or they have to run around trying to form a separate counter. No matter what, they'll fuck up and give scum tells. Just like you did in your entrance.

This is gonna be a fun game.

Nah, I'm not going to vote you. I can link you a lot of my town games to show you that in literally every single game I get pushed because I make some nonsense illogical push.

In actuality, your case on me actually can be taken as a town case for me as well. It's illogical for scum to do what you said I did. I had basically this exact situation in the beginning of a newbie game I recently finished with Michael.

Michael, Tywin's push is pretty similar to the push from that newbie on me with how I came in and commented on the Zeus/Chickadee from our last game.

page 1-10

Flubber and Boon scumming it up. Boon basically scumreading everyone that either flipped town or is town, and trying to pocket me to push choof with him (he knows I tunnel and he knows I will push my will through, he wants me by his side not against him so he won't scumread me unless if I scumread him or if he needs to). I have quotes ready with interactions as well btw.

I would also like to take a moment again to just realize that we lynched a town cop d1. Let that thought sink in for a moment. Tywin didn't even play scummy in page 1-10, he was obv town and all my townreads already saw that rofl, except for rb who thought he was scum, but I have rb as town for the flashwagon on him and he is just very townie tbh.

Well TBH choof did play quite badly in early d1.

[WhyMafia]

^ didn't know I had the quotes in that post, hence no analysis. Was trying to save the quotes. Anyway, given how I am on a (Kasumeat, Flubber, Boonskiies) scumteam, those posts can show interesting interactions they made. If I quoted townies' posts it's to show a read they made.

Either way, interesting interactions:


Flubber was on the rb wagon and also called out tywin

Melanora scumreads Flubber and rb

Boonskiies "Flubber can sweep as scum, but he'll
probably be mislynched if he's town. Kind of sucks.

Boonskiies can pick between Tywin or Flubber and picks Tywin.

Boonskiies calls choof scum VERY early.

Boonskiies predicts an "extreme 1v1 between RB and Michael.

choof calls out Boonskiies "interesting he's leaving"

flubber "why is rb useless and not just scum"


////

Note how Boonskiies is not going after anyone who I have him teammates with, and imo is going after like 5 town there. Not how when he can decide between Flubber and Tywin, he picks Tywin for no reason. Likely teammate with Flubber. Also has Flubber as a hard townread still.

Yeah. I def can see a Flubber, Boon team if Flubber flips scum.

[WhyMafia]

Whymafia, I am not blaming people for scumreading someone who played scummy, but if someone CONSISTENTLY scumreads townies and defends scummy - possible teammates, then it's suspicious

Correct.

I have no idea why he hard town reads Flubber

But would he be that obvious? Or is he setting up a mislynch in that boon is scum and Flubber is town
Just something to think about

[WhyMafia]

I'm willing to drop a lynch on Fuzzy or Flubber. Sorry Boon, I just don't see how Flubber can be town with TL's lynch yesterday

You literally just said role cop is negative utility

Please further explain how TL's lynch makes me scum in light of this

It's a negative utility in most cases unless scum have a role that would be almost cof scum
Like strongman!

With two power roles dead, I'm positive scum has a pretty good role up their sleeves

They would want TL killed

[WhyMafia]

I've also stated that I think Implosion could be there.

LOL
how even XD

[WhyMafia]

I'm a tad confused. I'm town reading Mel.

[WhyMafia]

kill flubber

kasumeat

boonskiies

win the game

the fact you think that the three scum would be that buddy buddy is concerning.

Meh
It could be so improbable that you guys make it probable, although I highly doubt this is the scum team.
I just don't understand your Kasu read at all

[WhyMafia]

This game is going to come down to whether people believe the scum narrative that pushing Tywin is scummy or not.

It is

There's definitely a role that is almost always synonymous with scum. I'm 99% we have one, if not two scum on the wagon.

[WhyMafia]

@Backhand - I'm open to going to Mela toDay. It would make a lot of sense if she's scum, and her flipping scum, I feel would end up clearing at least one of Flubber or myself due to absolutely no sense in protecting one scum to bus another.

Why?

[WhyMafia]

I've also stated that I think Implosion could be there.

I've seen this happen twice and both times it's been scum. Boon just plummeted in my read on him.

What?
What kind of reasoning is that ..

[WhyMafia]

From someone who has read none of this game sense the flips:
1) boon is scummy as fuck, lynch plz
2_ flubber wagon is old hat
3) Gamma perhaps started/got onto this wagon because it could go forward and be productive/lynch
4) rb/micheal got on the wagon because it felt like that is the way the town is going
5) backhand a boon go for the guy who easied onto the popular wagon to not to look scummy (implication: mal is super scummy or this wagon is manufactured)
6) kas is town for not voting a pop wagon (???)
7) flubber tries to ignite a counter wagon... stopdoing that. vote for who is scum bro. Although, given the current game-state rb is not the worst vote.

You probably should've read the game

[WhyMafia]

Can we just like vote flubber hoooooooly shit

unless fluber did some hanous bullshit, I would think boon should be the one to get rope after the flips, again, haven;t read the game

Why single out Boon? Sure he pushed TL very hard, but so did others

[WhyMafia]

I'm willing to lynch Flub, but if Flub flips Town, I'm going to be violently pushing for a rb lynch the next day, ngl.

Agree

[WhyMafia]

someone has to convince my why it is worth my precious time to read 40 pages ending in a stale wagon that we should have lynched d1. WHat the hell guys. Why are you not voting for the people that derailed that wagon. Particularly note that those fucking people were the late comers on the counterwagon yesterday! LOLOLOL, they want to lynch the guy they could have lynched yesterday but were too dumb (scummy) to do it on the first go around. And this is why we shouldn't have lynched twyl yesterday. I told u this.

so yeah, upon hungover reflection, rb and gamma get massive scum points. Also, boon gets massive scum points for telling a lie about the fucking flip and trying to set up lynches, as stated previously. that guy is still scum and we should kill with fire.

Which wagon?

[WhyMafia]

unless I like the player, then I wouldn't, so WhyMaf, you ain't getting hammered by the boon.

<3 I remember reading earlier that you were considering quitting the site apart from modding? Plz no :/

[WhyMafia]

yeah, it is actually pretty absurd that the people who lynched a claimed cop d1 over another person decided it would be a bright idea to try to lynch the other guy d2.

Can you give specific names? It's confusing af to figure out who you are referring to. But as others said, even if he's a role cop ... more often than not it'll harm town. Having said that, bc there's a confirmed town RC, I'm convinced there's some sort of mafia RB/Strongman

[WhyMafia]

yeah, and you deserve to get lynched even if you are town.

cop is a cop is a cop as a cop is a cop...

Different variants of FUCKING COP DOES NOT NEGATE THE FACT THAT YOU DECIDED TO FUCKING LYNCH A CLAIMED TOWN INVESTIGATIVE ROLE FOR BULLSHIT OMGUS REASONS> what the hell?@?!?!?!?! stop trying to mitigate the damage that you had a

primary

part in doing.

It wasn't OMGUS.
Heck i would have hammered
tl did not play bueno

[WhyMafia]

No was even voting Boon except me. I was the only one that had pushed him. He has zero vote at the time and he acts like everyone in town is out to lynch him. Given the way he keeps trying to defend his lynch of a role cop and his action today he just
seems like scum

Agree

[WhyMafia]

suspic

I'm now townreading you more because how you feel now is exactly how I feel. We had a really fun and interesting day 1 and then Tywin flipped town which I honestly did not conceive of for a fraction of a second and now we've got this garbage game with a million scummy players who are lurking and shitposting and ignoring every post which actually makes a fucking case

*Waves*
I have read up, but mEHHhh
Please give me your scum reads

[WhyMafia]

Piggy backing on to that, I'm not toxic to people who don't deserve any of the toxicity towards them. (I don't count my loudness as toxic, because I'm generally just a loud person everywhere.)

ah

[WhyMafia]

Ok
I want everyone's scum/town reads
I'll ask for reasoning on one's I don't understand

Let's just stop mindlessly bashing each other and condense our arguments
@Boon
I know you made your color wheel, but there's been lots of posts. Have you changed any of your reads?
@Cool
Why do you think the scum team is Boon/Mel/Rb ?
@Kasu your reads?
@Mel ^
Heck, everyone give their reads
Nobody please go on tangents. We'll begin discussing after most people give their reads. Then the people that are most universally scum read will attempt to refute cases against them

[WhyMafia]

I'm tired of us meandering and shifting lynch targets every 2 days
Heck, we're just re-hashing the same points over and over

I feel like this will be more productive for town in the long-run

[WhyMafia]

I can make scum cases on everyone, and town cases on everyone, which is why I am curious to see the reads of others

[WhyMafia]

Lol @ anyone town and not voting flubber

Holy fuck no wonder site town meta is bad

Please post your reads

[WhyMafia]

THAT A NARUTO

[WhyMafia]

YOUR YOUTH SHINES

[WhyMafia]

More opinions coming this afternoon! Sit tight

[WhyMafia]

As much as I'd like to vote Cool, wouldn't it mean that we're repeating what we did with TL?

[WhyMafia]

*Blinks*
Well at least know I won't have 500 posts to catch up on everyday
so uh
we're in a predicament
3 town roles lost
lets see ....
this gives us something to think about
time to look at associations for the 5th time!

[WhyMafia]

Meh
I could be blind, but I am unsure why Mel is scum. I am also now null if not the slightly town reading Flubber

I'm down for a cool lynch

[WhyMafia]

I repeat - Gamma is town. Are the guys voting Cool really this dumb?

FTFY
most of us aren't considering a Gamma lynch

[WhyMafia]

Flubber + Whymafia, how do you feel about RB?

I'm null on him. I can't read him till we get more flips

[WhyMafia]

I really want to know, what's so horrifying about someone selecting a vote that they stick by? When I do make my vote, it will be for a reason, a reason which I will defend, and a reason which I will thoroughly and clearly explain. Should my vote be wrong, I will defend myself then as well, instead of being wishy washy, and simply blending in, and voting with everyone else.

I don't scum lurk, I give opinions.

Does that make you nervous, because you can't accuse me of being scum wishy washy and you can't accuse me of just wagonning and sheeping to go for an easy mislynch? It should make you nervous, if you're scum.

Michael/gamma, would you describe mel's play as living up to her stated pro-town style?

I think if we lynch flubber, kasumeat, melanora, we're bound to hit at least 2 scum

Agree

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: CoolDog
I think he's been more scummy than Flubber

[WhyMafia]

Flubber + Whymafia, how do you feel about RB?

NULL
Gonna wait for flips to sort him
Just a hair towards town if I had to choose

[WhyMafia]

As much as I'd like to vote Cool, wouldn't it mean that we're repeating what we did with TL?

Whymafia please explain what this post means

At the time I assumed people were scum reading him cause of the contradictions
Boonskies explained it to me
VOTE: CoolDog
Ok
I'm willing to compromise lynch Flubber and I'll think about RB

[WhyMafia]

Hmmm.Scum probably is going to kill me tonight. Seeing as I'm town read by practically everyone, my flip will do absolutely nothing. Meaning we're one step closer to MYLO/LYLO will a low probability of lynching. I say we kill anyone that gives us the most associatives. Sure, we might have a mis-lynch or WIFOM, but with the Boon pushers + TL flip + today's flip, I think we'll have enough info to gauge scum.

[WhyMafia]

Oh gosh. Just read ISO of Flubber. Don't like his early D1 posts, but I am no longer willing to lynch him atm. If you guys disagree, please give me posts where you made your cases.
Michael, when did you make your case? I'll go read up on it

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: Flubber
Congrats Michael won me over

[WhyMafia]

If you're town .... really? We could've saved your life

If you're scum .... I guess I can respect that

[WhyMafia]

Knew it that scum had an extra kill :-;

Unless we had a vigilante that was certain kasu was scum

[WhyMafia]

And I agree with RB

I believe that mela was the counter wagon to flubber, making her town. I haven't been hard scum reading her through most of the game anyway. That leaves CoolDog or Backhand as scum. Going to look at the voting patterns first

[WhyMafia]

vote:rb

obvious reasons are obvious.

so you ignore everything that happened day 1?

no, I'm taking into account how rb didn't want to lynch flubber

d1

, hopped and then bussed his teamate d2. Fucking duh. Look at the twyl wagon and then the flubber wagon... his buss isn't even that 'hard' given the fact that he posts very little and basically sat his vote there all day...

I should have shot rb instead.

Want to know why gamma is dead? Because he was confirmed town.

Rb is definitely scum at this point.

this is a vig claim, no?

but from what I can remember, rb did want to lynch flubber day 1? and day 2. rb is like conf town for all I care, he made a BUNCH of good townreads and he manhandled the flubber lynch through

VOTE: CoolDog

Agree

[WhyMafia]

I should have shot rb instead.

Want to know why gamma is dead? Because he was confirmed town.

Rb is definitely scum at this point.

I am kind of incredulous at this claim
We can't even refute it because will killed our role cop, so fake claiming a vigilante seems like a smart scum claim, as it buys them another day.

[WhyMafia]

UNVOTE:

I'm not vig. If no one counterclaims Melanora is confirmed town

How?

[WhyMafia]

UNVOTE:

I'm not vig. If no one counterclaims Melanora is confirmed town

How?

What do you mean?

2 people died at night, melanora claims to be vig

are you saying there's another explanation? like I assume the vig shot kasumeat

I mean I assume scumvig/old dirty bastard/serial killer.etc - aren't allowed in normal setups right? so I assume there's a townvig

correct me if wrong though

Mafia strongman is a thing

[WhyMafia]

We can't even refute it because will killed our role cop, so fake claiming a vigilante seems like a smart scum claim, as it buys them another day.

Think its really important that Mel's Night 1 be clarified before we go too far down this path.

Mel (town/scum) is unlikely to have used her kill n1

I highly doubt she has more than 2 shots (most likely 1)

[WhyMafia]

We can't even refute it because will killed our role cop, so fake claiming a vigilante seems like a smart scum claim, as it buys them another day.

Think its really important that Mel's Night 1 be clarified before we go too far down this path.

Mel (town/scum) is unlikely to have used her kill n1

I highly doubt she has more than 2 shots (most likely 1)

Are 1 or 2-shots more common these days? Are extra factional kills at all common?

I don't think extra fac kills would be in a normal game

[WhyMafia]

Lol we aren't lynching Melanora

We're not yet, but in no way should people consider her conf town

[WhyMafia]

um there's literally no other way to have a second kill except a vig. everyone has since posted since she claimed vig (i think) so no one else is going to be vig

she's conftown

Strongman??

[WhyMafia]

um there's literally no other way to have a second kill except a vig. everyone has since posted since she claimed vig (i think) so no one else is going to be vig

she's conftown

Strongman??

strongman doesn't give you a second kill

Doesn't scum get their fac kill and if the strongman doesn't carry out the kill, they can strongman kill someone else?

[WhyMafia]

Sigh
The fact that Mel is JOAT just changed my opinion of her. She said during d2 that gamma was town as well. That clears myself (bc I know ik that I am town), Mel, and Gamma

Can we kill cooldog?

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: cooldog

[WhyMafia]

Why BackHand?

[WhyMafia]

Whymafia is probably town. If we're going to pick a compromise shrug of a lynch, I'd rather it be choof than flubber.

Ugggghhh....he is so scummy! This makes me absolutely not okay with flubber being lynched.

Also against the flubber lynch--it just seems real unlikely that none of you (boon), gamma, rb, tywin, and whymafia are scum, and all of those people were ok with it.

EBWOP: and michael, forgot he was on the flubber wagon too.

Sigh. I'm not seeing flub, won't be hammering. Rb, I kind of agree with you, but mostly don't want tfl to have made it to day 2, with 50 pages, without a single goddamn opinion.

Woke up, caught up. On phone, will post more at work.

Two thoughts: choof really needs to not tell us, and ideally flip a coin, for protecting tywin tonight.

And flubber is the lynch that gets us the most info. I would have little confidence in whichever of the kasu or boon wagons we get going now, we're too scattered.

Vote flubber

Backhand, would you be willing to lynch one his scumbros Michael or Gamma today instead?

In order, I'd prefer:

Flub
Michael
Gamma

OK, let's break out the scenarios.

Tywin is scum

OK, he claims rolecop. He has to hope:

A. He doesn't get countered
B. He doesn't get targeted by choof and choof dies (WEAK jailkeeper, remember?)
C. There's not an SK, because they probably want him dead whether they believe him or not.

Now, smart mafia (I don't totally want to get into this but I assume they'll figure it out) might decide to target choof so either way, only choof dies. But if tywin is lying, we've got some other power roles I would think, they'll know what to do.



this implies that Backhand knew that if Choof targeted Tywin, that Choof would die. He tried to fix it, but the response given points towards it even more, as the conclusion from that shouldn't be to go and defend Tywin.

Yes, in the hypothetical I very clearly titled: Tywin is Scum.

I don't see how you're not seeing that there are so many ways to verify his claim during the night.

Doesn't the straight split also indicate that flub could be scum? In which case gamma/michael/why/cool are probably town and their switch isn't indicative.

For the record, the

funniest

team is mel/rb/tfl. They'd be having a great day without having really done a thing.

Well.


OK flubwagon, if you think flub is scum you're running out of practical partners to pair him with. Time to move on?

look I think flubber + mel could be scum together simply for they scream the same way, and their "HOW HOW HOW" posts remind me of each other (and ive seen scum do this a lot of time, prob unconsciously or they affect each other in the QT, same mindstate, etc. so they tend to act the same towards some things)

kill flubber today

Down for Mel, but who is third in that group?

Vote Flub

Going on gut that Boon was a counter wagon on the Flub wagon

Counterwagon led by who exactly?

honestly I do think entire scumteam was on the tywin lynch

Mel was on the tywin lynch. . . just saying.

The only people who townread Tywin are scum. Lynching him was correct.

Well, that's not true.

You are assuming that bc Boon flipped town his reads are good. Not sure if theres a term for assuming a flipped player reads are correct but it seems that this is whats happening

We don't know that they're right, but we do at least know they were honest. Gets a slight promotion for that.

VOTE COUNT 1.14

Flubbernugget (6): Gamma Emerald, WhyMafia, Michael Lee, Tywin Lannister, CooLDoG, rb
Tywin Lannister (4): Kasumeat, Backhand, Boonskiies, Flubbernugget
rb (1): choof

No Vote (2): Melanora, TheFuzzylogic99

With 13 players living, 7/13 votes are required to lynch.

And to reiterate, I can't look at this vote count and think its at all likely that flub is scum.

Better cool than flubber. . . although I'm not sure why ScumCool doesn't just hammer TownFlub.

ISO'd Backhand and quoted relevant posts. Has been pushing townies all game and like a lot of them - then pushes flubber for a moment which I wanted to give towncred BUT later on he goes on and keeps pushing townielynches over flubber all the time. This guy is almost confirmed scum. Quoted the cooldog-backhand post because I can't completely fit it inside my hand (as to whether they're a team or not) but it could be distancing so I won't read into that. I'll read into his actions and he hasn't pushed flubber/cooldog consistently / that hard.

VOTE: Backhand

honestly backhand - cooldog wouldn't be a crazy team right now right? if we're going to give boon and fuzzy some credit for killing flubber

Meh
I don't that is necessarily scum indicative of him. 90% of us believe TL to be scum, and Choof was ... Choof

[WhyMafia]

Cool is at L-1 Btw

[WhyMafia]

WhyMafia and Backhand, why are you voting town?

10/10 defence

[WhyMafia]

Yep, that pretty much covers it. Someone has to be Cooldog's bud. You seem by far the most reluctant to actually lynch him.

And if its not Cooldog I'm pretty sure we've already lost.

My thoughts summed up

[WhyMafia]

So it's because you're scum, I see

crap I've been found out
abort abort

[WhyMafia]

I mean there's over 3k posts. I'll give the kid 24 hours to catch up before I get all over him.

^^
But there's no point in making those kinds of posts when you're already under pressure

[WhyMafia]

Tbh I'm trying to figure out who is town in that lynchpool more than anything. I'm certain that Melanora is town. Michael Lee is a really strong townread. If I have one more strong townread, we win the game no matter what. I want to make this lynchpool 3 ppl rather than 4 because we could still theoretically fuck it up if we lynch town twice in a row.

I find it hard to believe one of Backhand/Cooldog isn't scum though.

Well I'm town soooooo

[WhyMafia]

Someone just hammer. We're not getting anywhere

[WhyMafia]

I was going to let him defend but fuck it..

/vote cooldog 2.0

You guys do night skips around here?

I think if everyone requests it, and actions go in early we can get a quicker night than usual
Idk for certain

[WhyMafia]

I'm up to lynch Backhand. Scum has to be between him and Michael, and I have a stronger town read on Michael.
However, I need to re-read iso
And yes, we are most likely in LYLO

[WhyMafia]

Why not rb or tfl, why?

Could be RB
but highly doubt TFL due to his vote
He's a possibility, but not a strong one

[WhyMafia]

Michael I'm awaiting your reaction when I flip town
And congrats you're either idiotic town for voting me (2 scum can quickhammer) or you're scum looking for your partner + someone else

[WhyMafia]

Michael
Why the hell would I bus a scum buddy within the first half of day 1
That's absolutely ridiculous

[WhyMafia]

I'm bad at defense
But I'm really busy the next few days
Will be able to post Friday though

[WhyMafia]

Sigh. Gg scum, probably.

Vote whymafia

He's played a superstar game, I think. But if I look back now knowing that cooldog is town, he hopped on flub pretty late. Actually didn't want to at 2915, but let Michael "win him over" by post 2928. Probably when they decided it was time to give up on flub's chances.

Wait just re-read this
You do realize I was the first person to call out flubbber right? And that I was the one who started the whole wagon?

[WhyMafia]

And Michael, this is blatant buddying by backhand lol

[WhyMafia]

No point cause I'm town and scum will win

[WhyMafia]

that's like the scummiest defense ever tbh

it assumes you are town therefore you are town

It's not my main defense though

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: WhyMafia

Michael
Do you want us to lose?

[WhyMafia]

Alright
Gonna start attacking BackHand

I'll admit though, I do not like Michael's behavior one bit today

[WhyMafia]

636
Mel = Strongest scum read
709
Doesn't give any real reasons, and it's a small buddying attempt on me
903
I think we can once agree that these reads are scummy. He continued to scum read choof, whose emotions are quite visible and towny. Once again says I am most likely town. In addition, his read on Flubber makes me go "wut" in my head. Like it seems really doubtful and hesitant. It's like "Ohhh Choof is scummier (even thought Choof was basically the example of too scummy to be scum), but I suppose if I had to, I could vote Flubber."
It's almost like he already knew our alignments!
947
Yeah this is weird. He's been continually saying that Flubber shouldn't be lynched, but still hasn't given any reasons. Also claims that all of the players on the wagon are unlikely to be town .... yet he hasn't given any reads on 90% of the players, and called me town earlier.
976
Repeats that he wants Choof and TFL to chime in.
1083
Doesn't say anything about Choof anymore? Feel like he realized that continually pushing Choof when he flips town will look bad on him.
1091
Post 1083 and this post saw him shift from calling Tywin/Boon TVT to Scum!Tywin
I guess he must have realized that the Tywin wagon wouldn't go anywhere, and he might as well get a townie killed. Like if he had pushed from the beginning, there would've been nothing wrong with this, but this is a very opportunistic post
1152
By his own words, if Flub flips scum, all the people pushing him should be given town cred. Gamma and I were the main pushers, and so far, he hasn't given the slightest indication that he scum reads me
1252
Calls out TFL again.
1417
Shouldn't lynch Tywin unless CC is his original opinion
1707
LMFAO. ALL THROUGH D1 HE REPEATEDLY DEFENDS FLUBBER (albeit with literally no reasoning)
Realized a lynch on Tywin looks bad, shifts over to Flubber cause it was the second highest prevalent wagon with just "Gives us info"
....
1714
I don't see that you've broken the game wide-open. However, by this logic, i should be town
1726
Throws shade towards Mel again, by saying that being consistent from page 20-70 makes him nervous.
1824
LOL
SUDDENLY HE DOESNT EVEN LIST MEL ON HIS TOP 3 SCUM READS. AND FLUB BECOMES THE LYNCH OF CHOICE. LIKE WTF HOW OPPORTUNISTIC CAN YOU BE. OH AND GAMMA IS HIS THIRD LYNCH OF CHOICE. IMPORTANT!!! And did I mention that he still hasn't put any reasoning?
1880
This is really doubt cast language for someone whose strongest scum read is Flubber.
1885
this is getting ridiculous. I'm his strongest town read (bar the PR's) and Gamma is his second strongest
oh this is who he wanted lynched
Flub
TFL (useless)
mel (close)
kasu
rb
michael
cooldog
boon
gamma
whymafia
tywin
choof
backhand
2178
Now says Boon is likely Flubber's scum buddy. But he wasn't even close to the top perviously? Like wtf how opportunistic are you gonna get. Oh and tf happened with Mel
Oh and where's that reasoning?
2221
Ahhhh there's Mel.
2469
The lack of conviction in his scum reads are scaring me
2498
Flubber .... became his strongest town read
I quit
This could be a Backhand/Flubber/RB team! He says so himself! Oh and I am still one of his main town reads!
2622
Cute. He went from BOON IS SCUM!!!! To mehhhh Boon couldddd be scum. Meh he could be town as well.
2688
Must've realized that a Flubber lynch was likely.
2795
DEFLECT!!! ANYONE!!! PLEASE I NEED SOMEONE TO STICK!
2836
^
Alright my brain is tired now
ANYWAYS
BACKHANDS READS ARE ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS
AND AFTER HARD TOWN READING ME FOR THE WHOLE GAME HE SWAPS BC HE CAN FORM A COALITION WITH MICHAEL???

[WhyMafia]

Like my scum read just grew with every post I read of Backhand
He played quite a good game, but the buck stops here

[WhyMafia]

Now tell me how Backhand is scum

[WhyMafia]

Now tell me how Backhand is scum

town*

[WhyMafia]

oh god that was my second biggest post that I've ever made lul
I was right about Flubber
I'm right about this

[WhyMafia]

TL;DR
Backhand was opportunistic, and tried shifting wagons off Flubber

[WhyMafia]

plz
i want to debatezzzz

[WhyMafia]

Sigh. Gg scum, probably.

Vote whymafia

He's played a superstar game, I think. But if I look back now knowing that cooldog is town, he hopped on flub pretty late. Actually didn't want to at 2915, but let Michael "win him over" by post 2928. Probably when they decided it was time to give up on flub's chances.

How is this town?

[WhyMafia]

@michael
My scum hunting needs work
I'll be the first to admit that
However
Can you at least check my case on Backhand? You're practically ignoring it.

[WhyMafia]

Like in all the games that I've lived to LYLO in as town, it's been for the same freaking reasons as what you're giving. I physically can't counter that my ISO looks bad. However, when I'm certain about something, I keep pushing it. It's a bad habit of mine. It's not tunneling though bc I can be convinced of otherwise