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[Gamma Emerald]

Hey hey hey!
Nice to play with CCC and some other friends.
Tbh the person who most intrigues me is Klick since he is one of those guys who sticks to Mish Mash normally.

[Gamma Emerald]

Wut
Is it DRK

[Gamma Emerald]

Uhhh Is like to know if there's any issues between players

[Gamma Emerald]

First game here in a while. I'm aflutter with emotion!

@All

1. What is your preferred alignment?
2. On a scale of one to ten how collaborative a player are you and why?
3. How important is it to take other players personalities into account when forming reads on them?
4. What player do you have the most experience with on this roster?
5. What are you feeling as you enter this mini's D1?

1) Town. I get insanely nervous as mafia. I feel my winning strategy as mafia is "get lynch early and watch my team carry".
2) about a 3. I like to use my own reads rather than sheep other most of the time.
3) Fairly important. Some people have different maxims that may conflict with yours and you need to respect them.
4) Actually, Grendel.
5) I feel like the setup might be a little crazy given what happened last time I played with implosion.

[Gamma Emerald]

I was worried that you might get something AI off of me if I answered it seriously.

Uhh why is that a concern of yours? Pls tell me this is just a "future games" thing.

[Gamma Emerald]

Wut
Is it DRK

it is

Vote: Cheetory

I'm not going to answer Grendel's questions and it would be best if no one else did either

Why are the questions bad? The one time I scumread an RQS the player was Town.

[Gamma Emerald]

Still why is it bad?

[Gamma Emerald]

@DRK the point of RQS is t necessarily to judge alignments. It's meant as an ice breaker mostly. And Grendel uses it to judge alignment early so your concern is somewhat moot.
I don't recall anyone objecting to RQS for theory reasons that game. My objection was the player was using RQS for townpoints.

[Gamma Emerald]

@DRK the point of RQS is t necessarily to judge alignments. It's meant as an ice breaker mostly. And Grendel uses it to judge alignment early so your concern is somewhat moot.
I don't recall anyone objecting to RQS for theory reasons that game. My objection was the player was using RQS for townpoints.

Having an icebreaker at the start of the game is worse than having nothing at the start of the game. It's more difficult for scum to find openings into the flow of the game in the early-going than it is for town.

I thought you had a new reason to object but this is the same as one I've seen before
At least rb had the dignity to say it clogged the game up when I tried it with him

[Gamma Emerald]

Also Grendel you should really answer your own questions

[Gamma Emerald]

DRK, do you think I'm hard to read when I'm trying?

I would expect you to be, but I've never played with you so ???

So you're scumreading him for an out of game feud entirely
I didn't know I was a better player than you

[Gamma Emerald]

tbh I feel like we'll get a lot of info out of a straight-up Cheetory quicklynch

No
I wanna keep him around since I find him fun to talk with.
Also I get a slight feeling he will obvtown if he is Town.

[Gamma Emerald]

No
I wanna keep him around since I find him fun to talk with.
Also I get a slight feeling he will obvtown if he is Town.

Hi Gamma!
Do you have any reads you'd like to share with the class?

I'm townreading notsure right now
Don't know about anyone else yet

[Gamma Emerald]

He seems to be playing honestly and from a Town perspective

[Gamma Emerald]

Accountant what is your actual position on doing the RQS?

[Gamma Emerald]

K whatever, I don't know what DEFCON mafia is and CONTEXT is important. If he/she did something really out of character or obvious, then yeah sure, you're right. But...eh, goodnight. I don't want to argue pointless details.

Past game. It's in my egosearch so I can link it if you like.

[Gamma Emerald]

Can we plz not naked vote

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't think we're breaking MCM's habit

[Gamma Emerald]

Just as a general question for everyone - is having around one in three players Mafia a reasonable ratio?

Which, with thirteen players, would mean four Mafia?

Err I'd figure you'd been around the block enough to know the answer to this but ok

[Gamma Emerald]

I did some homework!

One of TripleC's recent games was an 11 player game in which there was 3 scum.

Newbie games have nine players, two of whom are Mafia. Here we have eleven players.

Three mafia sounds about right to me.

Given that this is something they've been interested in trying to figure out as town before, the # of games they've played in general and the different numbering in said game, I'm leaning towards believing that the # of players line of questioning is genuine.
His tone as scum is a little more forced from what I saw in the one game I skimmed and I feel like he genuinely believes his reading for his scumread on Klick.
So, town for now.

Eh it could be fake though
What other things do you find Town about CCC?

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm saying your read is on surface level stuff

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm not saying to throw out your reads. I'm saying to put forth more than just inductive reasoning.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Paul VI means village idiot, a term for a player who is Town but should be ignored. Sometimes scum will use it to discredit a player by saying their reads are bad.

[Gamma Emerald]

Does TripleC strike you as someone who would play those kind of mindgames as scum Gamma?
Because he doesn't to me.

I'm not going to hard-dive his meta for examples of what I saw as differences between his play here and his scumgame and make a full towncase on him unless he's up for lynch.
If you want to butt heads with me here you should be casing why he's scum, otherwise I don't see why you would want me to bother me over this, especially when the extent of your comments on him are just "i feel like you should know this", which I've already addressed in the post you're referencing given that he was just in a game with 11 players with 3 scum and most newbie games is 9 players with 2 scum, hence I can see him making the jump to 13 players with 4 scum.

It's not that tough of a mind game imo

[Gamma Emerald]

Alright. I guess given what I've seen of him it may not be a thing he would do. I feel you've thought it through so I'll let it go.
I think I should reread to get some better reads since some people had been pinging me as Town on first glance.

[Gamma Emerald]

Because I'm trying to see just how much he had thought it through
He has thought it through sufficiently

[Gamma Emerald]

The point about me calling VIs VIs is grasping at straws.

Backhand: Didn't most of the people voting Cheet give reasons, thus making it not random? They might not have been good reasons, but certainly they had non-random scumreads on him

Query: is the grasping at straws scummy?

[Gamma Emerald]

That's picking at nothing MCM. He means your first post with content.

[Gamma Emerald]

Then why point it out?

[Gamma Emerald]

Alright. I figured that was it after your first response. Just want to poke you a little to gauge your alignment.

[Gamma Emerald]

Not liking Gamma so much anymore. Doing the opposite of liking him. Where "liking" is a synonym for "townreading" and not a personal opinion of the person because otherwise I would be very much not liking Cheetory, as always. Gamma's posts haven't been reading to me as someone looking critically at anyone and I'm pretty sure (i didn't read the things since my last post very thoroughly sry) there were multiple instances of him defending people in ways that I would expect to induce far more paranoia in town than seems to be the case for him. At the very least, his defense of CCC against Cheetory seemed that way to me and I think there was another thing too.

Unvote: Cheetory

Vote: Gamma Emerald

I feel like I should be saying something about notsure and my opinion is that he's just a distraction here. I made one particularly leading post at notsure to see what he would do with it and somehow it seems to have sent him off the deep end, so I suppose it's my fault or something. Being logic-averse and having a victim complex are both not alignment-indicative, unfortunately.

Uhhhh TL;DR since your case is completely incomprehensible to me

[Gamma Emerald]

Also curious why instead of fixing your opener for that post you made it a confusing mess.
All I get from the case is "seems to be okay with certain things which does not fit with a paranoid townie", to which I say "when have I been a paranoid townie?". Like, if I'd been like that before, I'd get it but it just feels like a playstyle issue?

[Gamma Emerald]

Yo Grendel
Your other offsite game just ended

[Gamma Emerald]

Why would it say sacred

[Gamma Emerald]

Once I feel I have a solid preliminary readslist Ill put it here
I have a solid chunk of townreads rn and one scumread

[Gamma Emerald]

Eyyyy

[Gamma Emerald]

Im curious whether that counts

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah. I think I've developed a method to read them however.

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh shit I know this guy too

[Gamma Emerald]

egopost

Hi Hiraki!

Remember me from Chosen mafia?

yes - let's hope that this game goes as smoothly as that one

oh yay, hiraki is here
he's solid, scum should fear

i don't remember you

MCM is an alt I think

[Gamma Emerald]

Who is masian

[Gamma Emerald]

Grendel you're gonna have to share those tells with me someday

[Gamma Emerald]

@all: plz post your opinions on this post and this phrase in general within the next 24 hours before i use my ability 'nothin personnel' to kill you, ty

It's heavily AI for anyone but notsure

I don't think it's scummy either
I'd respond directly but I'm not going to attempt to reduce that wall to just the relevant part

[Gamma Emerald]

"But I'm also inclined to think DRK is trying to start a wagon to direct away from my read on them, as shit and/or personal as people might think it to be."

is

"But I'm also inclined to think DRK is trying to start a wagon to direct away from my read on them, as shit and/or personal as people might think my read on DRK to be.

Not sure can you explain this? DRK hasnt even voted you Im not sure how he is trying to start a wagon on you

Once I feel I have a solid preliminary readslist Ill put it here
I have a solid chunk of townreads rn and one scumread

mind sharing these? Or a reason why you arent?

Not sharing since I want to have more reads that aren't blank

[Gamma Emerald]

"But I'm also inclined to think DRK is trying to start a wagon to direct away from my read on them, as shit and/or personal as people might think it to be."

is

"But I'm also inclined to think DRK is trying to start a wagon to direct away from my read on them, as shit and/or personal as people might think my read on DRK to be.

Not sure can you explain this? DRK hasnt even voted you Im not sure how he is trying to start a wagon on you

@grendel

I don't know your alignment. You seem to want to get people playing and don't nitpick WIFOM details so far. Could be scum, but seem Town so far.

I didn't have time last night to point it out but, Unsure sounds like paranoid town right here. Plus his reads add up. If I’m a town read for him then it makes since from his perspective to suspect the two people most critical of my approach to the game. Realistically I find it unlikely that Klick x DRK would be a thing, but it does show that Unsure is thinking.

VOTE: DeathRowKitty

Feel pretty good about kitty being mafia. Either shit-town with anti-town agenda that wants to paint Townies as mafia or mafia just trolling along. Either way, don't think I'd miss her even as Town.

So that's your bright response? Tell me just not to scum read someone and act condescending?

Wow, scummy or just shit town.

Post like these really irk me however. I hate it when players justify a read by implying that "If there not scum then they're bad town". Its like distancing oneself from the cadaver.

The thing is that I see this behavior from inexperienced players trying to convince themselves and others that they are right. I used to believe that the behavior was scummy, but I never got enough evidence the indicates its a legit tell.

Any case its a read that Notsure is clearly emotionally invested in. I should look at DRK next to read her alignment before I start talking unsure about his read.

No, this is all wrong. Though yeah, I'm a little annoyed at DRK, but it's more because she is being hypocritical and dodgy, as well as Paul.

As I said to Paul
"If you know it takes time to judge a player's beginning behavior and DRK is doing the opposite, why is that not setting off any alarms, but my picking up on it somehow does? This makes zero sense."

His answer is "I don't scumread him". So he's not even addressing my concern. And taking the same scummy stance as DRK in doing so. Either one of them could you know, alleviate my concern instead of dodging it and implying that I'm dumb. But then they would actually have to participate.

Though admittedly, DRKs read of Gamma is pretty legit. Gamma is certainly playing in a way that keeps his options open and I find that a bit scummy. But I'm also inclined to think DRK is trying to start a wagon to direct away from my read on them, as shit and/or personal as people might think it to be.

I don't believe you actually read this post or if you did, you didn't take it seriously...but clearly I was referring to DRKs scum read on Gamma...

VOTE: NotTheRealPaul

Reason why: He's being dodgy and appears to half-ass pay attention to people he has put in the spotlight. It shows he's not really fully-invested in what he's saying and yes I do think he's scum.

Agree here

[Gamma Emerald]

Once I feel I have a solid preliminary readslist Ill put it here
I have a solid chunk of townreads rn and one scumread

I'd certainly like to see your list, once it's ready.

Might be soon
Once I have reads on 75% of the playerlist and am caught up I'll post it

[Gamma Emerald]

@Paul not voting till I'm caught up.

[Gamma Emerald]

whats pbpa?

Page by page analysis

[Gamma Emerald]

Who is masian

Masian is a legendary poster on this site. It was once said that she once caught the entire scum team on page 1. She has never not been protected at night and when she replaces into games, it's standard operating procedure for the scum to just claim and let themselves get lynched to save everyone time. She quit mafia after the FBI offered her a lucrative contract to put her skills to work sniffing out Russian spies.

So, Masian is Chuck Norris's screen name, then?

Nice *hi fives CCC*

[Gamma Emerald]

my klick read is from very little content very early so clearly it's not strong
but I believe building early wagons is pro town (hence wht I voted cheet) and him getting pushed for it was wrong
his quicklynch post is clearly not for real
but, a) scum doesn't usually post like that due to attention ya feel
and b) the fact it was taken seriously confused me
so, he gets to be green until something shows me otherwise you see?
and no, he can't just idle and keep that green
if he subs my read goes back to neutral and bleak

Yeah I view Klick's flashwagon request as somewhat towny

whats pbpa?

post by post analysis boy
basically an iso on steroids

Well shit bad guess

[Gamma Emerald]

no, we don't completely ignore him because he softed pr
if he doesn't do anything actually useful then he climbs the lynch bar
if he's at l-1 and claims something believable, that is when we lynch elsewhere
I am the only vote on him atm I believe, that's not exactly biological warfare
also, to get all altruistic and shit, but understand
we should not be teaching beginners softing having a pr after 1 vote = a good plan

Carefully hidden in this rhyme is a very good point. You're wrong on one thing, though - NotTheRealPaul has two votes now, so far as I could spot (NotSure put on the other one).

But that doesn't change your main point. Frivolous PR softing should not be encouraged. Also, I'm sure the Mafia's picked up on it already - he has very little to lose by being a little more explicit at this point.

VOTE: NotTheRealPaul

And that, I believe, makes three votes.

Don't like this, registers as rolefishing.

[Gamma Emerald]

Once I feel I have a solid preliminary readslist Ill put it here
I have a solid chunk of townreads rn and one scumread

I'd certainly like to see your list, once it's ready.

Might be soon
Once I have reads on 75% of the playerlist

and am caught up

I'll post it

[Gamma Emerald]

I agree on giving him a few days, he hasn't *actually* proven useless yet. But towns being so good at hitting scum Day 1 with their reads sounds like a fun hypothetical world that doesn't exist.

I live in hope and optimism.

And I

have

seen scum identified and hit on Day One. It is possible.

Been there. Don't let Tywin's defeatist theory get you down Backhand.

[Gamma Emerald]

Town
notsure
CCC
Cheetory6
Accountant
Backhand
DeathRowKitty
Grendel (null)
Hiraki (null)
Not_Mafia (null)
MuttonChopMagic
VOTE: NotTheRealPaul (top scumread)

[Gamma Emerald]

No Meta. Just don't like some of your posts.

[Gamma Emerald]

so to be clear
you have a good reason to vote yourself my dear?

yup obviously I voted myself because I know Im scum and I want towncred since I led the wagon on myself.

So when I flip scum, then obviously im like conftown because I led the wagon so then I dont need to worry about being mislynched

/sarcasm

UNVOTE:

now town cant get distracted over something irrelevant (IMO) and we can have real discussion

Or is this somehow useful to town? Please explain why because I am newb.

Seems like an over reaction/AtE.

"But I'm also inclined to think DRK is trying to start a wagon to direct away from my read on them, as shit and/or personal as people might think it to be."

is

"But I'm also inclined to think DRK is trying to start a wagon to direct away from my read on them, as shit and/or personal as people might think my read on DRK to be.

Not sure can you explain this? DRK hasnt even voted you Im not sure how he is trying to start a wagon on you

This indicates you aren't paying attention to things. It's a proven fact that scum don't have to read the Game as closely as they know everyone's alignment.
Huh, I forget who taught me that. Proof I've been around a long time by now.

[Gamma Emerald]

I remember who taught me that one.

It was Human Sequencer in Autumn Masquerade.
I'll go back and see where I applied it and whether it worked that time.

[Gamma Emerald]

Alright, first of all, I was considering unvoting now that we're at 4 votes on Paul, but it's interesting that he says I misread or didn't read what DRK posted, but makes no actual case about it...Funny cause I don't remember that being true, other than misinterpreting what was said because I was annoyed. Not sure how that makes me your high scumread right now...unless I'm your best bet at a deflection.

And Paul is talking about power roles when he didn't need to...that's interesting.

Well, I don't like Paul at all. I think he's doing his best to stay alive after doing a shit job of appearing town, even from the start.

@accountant
I disagree with you. A townie pays close attention to everything because they never know what can give someone away and don't want to miss anything. A mafia can skim and wagon who they like, though I agree a good mafia player will try and pay close attention to everything. I don't think this is Paul.

notsure says it better than me.

[Gamma Emerald]

im waiting for them to call my reaction fake. this is just too funny.

That refers to my point on reading the game.

[Gamma Emerald]

Any opinions of your own?

[Gamma Emerald]

Accountant is very experienced

[Gamma Emerald]

Interesting highlight Mutton. What kind of experience does Accountant have with this game?

I think he's the most experienced person in this game?
I'm up there, probably hiraki and cheet, even not mafia have many hours and thangs
HS is new tho so I guess a rome ic flopped, *shocker*
back to the game, my vote is staying on Paul atm, nothing new to pffer

Human Sequencer isn't here.
I'm also fairly experienced. Not as much as some of the ones you mentioned but I've been around.

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean notsure actually said what I was trying to say there Accountant

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean notsure actually said what I was trying to say there Accountant

And both of you are wrong.

Why?

[Gamma Emerald]

Alright that makes sense. I agree that town isn't always -there-. I feel notsure hit the nail on the head when he said what NTRP was doing is characteristic of newbscum.

[Gamma Emerald]

Ehh
I kinda feel like without the not reading point my case is weak
Bump NTRP above MCM for now I guess
UNVOTE:

[Gamma Emerald]

hmmm, Hikari seems like a detached observer...

So? Is that a scumtell?

[Gamma Emerald]

hmmm, Hikari seems like a detached observer...

So? Is that a scumtell?

YES

I was going to argue against this but given your read list it's clear there's a reasoning here.

[Gamma Emerald]

How is it a townslip?

This game explicitly does not have daytalk.

Ah, shit. I misread, mafia did have daytalk for 48 hours. So, take that one back.

It was sarcasm. It's null.

[Gamma Emerald]

Honestly getting TRs from Gamma, why does this keep happening

Don't think I understand what this means!

@Accountant

, it could be TvT, but if I think their tones are both scummy and that there's something from the interaction that feels off, I don't really know why you would expect me to entertain that as an option, especially when I said I was being lazy there ya silly goose.

@notsure

, I don't think you actually understand what I'm saying.
Scum has to put effort in to seem town and to make sure their thoughts make sense.
Town just has to think something and say it.
I spend maybe like.. 10 minutes making a decent sized post as town, where as scum it can take me hours to make sure that I feel like a single serious post isn't awkward sounding, or that something is worded funny or indicates I have too much knowledge.
Have to check whether I seem like I'm being genuine, etc..
Some people don't worry about that kind of stuff, but I feel like most scum do.

Before my hiatus Hiraki found me scummy most of the time.

[Gamma Emerald]

hmmm, Hikari seems like a detached observer...

So? Is that a scumtell?

YES

I was going to argue against this but given your read list it's clear there's a reasoning here.

Nothing in my read list changed on him from what I already had said. Why not argue?

I thought you were being foolish by using a tell that I felt was incorrect, but you had actually put a bit of thought into it.

[Gamma Emerald]

no, we don't completely ignore him because he softed pr
if he doesn't do anything actually useful then he climbs the lynch bar
if he's at l-1 and claims something believable, that is when we lynch elsewhere
I am the only vote on him atm I believe, that's not exactly biological warfare
also, to get all altruistic and shit, but understand
we should not be teaching beginners softing having a pr after 1 vote = a good plan

Carefully hidden in this rhyme is a very good point. You're wrong on one thing, though - NotTheRealPaul has two votes now, so far as I could spot (NotSure put on the other one).

But that doesn't change your main point. Frivolous PR softing should not be encouraged. Also, I'm sure the Mafia's picked up on it already - he has very little to lose by being a little more explicit at this point.

VOTE: NotTheRealPaul

And that, I believe, makes three votes.

Don't like this, registers as rolefishing.

...looking over my own post in hindsight, I can see how it might seem that way, taken out of context.

In

context, however, I think it's clear that rolefishing was not my goal.

If you take a look at my previous vote, I had already been considering NotTheRealPaul fairly scummy. My scumreads are still light - but nonetheless, his was the strongest. At that time, however, I hadn't voted for him, because he'd softed a PR - and the last thing I want to do is lynch a genuine Town Power Role.

Now, let's consider some maths.

Spoiler:

We have thirteen players, and for the moment I will assume three Mafia. Let me go further and assume two Town PRs. Then the field would consist of:

Mafiax3
Town PRx2
Vanilla Towniex8

Now, NotTheRealPaul must fit into one of these categories; that is, he is either Mafia, or Town PR, or Vanilla Townie. Before taking into account any scumminess in his posts, the base probabilites of each group are approx. 23% chance of Mafia, 15% chance of Town PR, and 62% chance of Vanilla Townie. But he felt some pressure, and softed a Town PR role. This changes things.

Specifically; Mafia can claim either a Vanilla Townie role, or a Town PR role. Let's assume that Town roles never lie; and Mafia roles have a 50% chance of pretending to be a Vanilla Townie, and a 50% chance of pretending to be a Town PR. So. We know that he has softed a Town PR. What is he, really?

He cannot be a Vanilla Townie, because Vanilla Townies do not lie by softing a PR. He is therefore either Mafia, or a Town PR. What I want to know, therefore, is the probability (before factoring in any scumminess in his posts) that he is Mafia, *given* that he softed a Town PR. Using Bayes' Theroem:

P(Mafia | Softed PR) = P(softed PR | Mafia)*P(Mafia)/P(Softed PR)

P(Softed PR) = 2/13+(0.5*3/13) = 7/26
P(Mafia) = 3/13
P(softed PR | Mafia) = 0.5

Thus, P(Mafia | Softed PR) = (3/36)/(/7/26) = 3/7 = approx. 43% (with the remaining 57% going to the odds of being a genuine PR)

All the working (including the assumptions I made to get there) is in the spoiler, but, long version short; before considering any other scumminess in his post, looking only at the fact that of the PR claim, and not even considering its timing; his odds of being Mafia went up from 23% to 43% - mainly because he cut out the chances of being a vanilla Townie (I'm assuming Townies wouldn't lie about that). At the same time, however, his odds of being a genuine PR went up - from about 15% to around 57%.

Now, on the basis of the 57% chance of being a genuine PR, I had originally decided I shouldn't vote him - despite him still being my top scumread. Mainly because losing a PR would be a disaster, while losing a Vanilla Townie - well, it wouldn't exactly be

great

, but it would be a good deal less bad. However, MuttonChopMagic bought up a good point - that, by refusing to vote for someone merely because he softed a PR, I would be setting a bad precedent for the future.

I considered his point. What harm could my vote do? It could be a part of a lynch on NotTheRealPaul. But we were a long way from there. To even reach L-1, at least two other Townies would need to vote with me - and an actual lynch would require the aid of at least one more Townie on top of that.

It could put enough pressure on him to force him to claim. Forcing a PR to claim is a bad thing, because the Mafia then know who to target at night. But... he'd already softed his PR. Mafia already know who he is. Him suddenly jumping up and saying "I'm the Cop" or "I'm the Doctor" or whatever isn't going to make things a one bit worse - Mafia don't currently know

what

role he is, but they do know

who

softed a PR, and - well, that's pretty bad, but that's also

done

. There's no putting the genie back in the bottle now.

So, in the end, I concluded that there was minimal danger in voting for my top scumread, despite his claim, and promptly did so.

I feel the town power level is usually 3-5 PRs in a 13p game, especially if it's 10:3.

Town
notsure
CCC
Cheetory6
Accountant
Backhand
DeathRowKitty
Grendel (null)
Hiraki (null)
Not_Mafia (null)
MuttonChopMagic
VOTE: NotTheRealPaul (top scumread)

...you know, I really like this readslist. I don't agree 100% with it, but it makes a lot of sense.

Can you talk with me about this? How does it make sense?

[Gamma Emerald]

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Town
notsure
CCC
Cheetory6
Accountant
Backhand
DeathRowKitty
Grendel (null)
Hiraki (null)
Not_Mafia (null)
MuttonChopMagic
VOTE: NotTheRealPaul (top scumread)

...you know, I really like this readslist. I don't agree 100% with it, but it makes a lot of sense.

Can you talk with me about this? How does it make sense?

I'm Townreading your top three Townreads and my top scumread is your top scumread. Beyond that, we start to differ, but at that point I think were talking very minor differences in any case...

Honestly, the only way I could find this list in any way suspicious is if I thought you were scum ghosting my reads. (Which is a strong possibility, but I haven't seen anything else from you that looked scummy...)

Okay. I wanted to get an explanation since my reads were fairly unexplained. I thought you were trying to pocket me.

[Gamma Emerald]

why is cheetory a town read for you
both gamma and ccc an answer would b cool

Uhh I forgot
He kinda feels genuine to start

[Gamma Emerald]

I explained NTRP in a past post
I dropped that case and bumped him up one spot
Mutton is my lowest now
DRK I feel their pushes are genuine but I don't really regard that as grounds for a hard townread. I've made pushes on things I legitimately believed were scummy as scum before.
Notsure is just obvious newbtown. Not much to say there. I could point out specific post I like if you really want.

[Gamma Emerald]

Town
notsure
CCC
Cheetory6
Accountant
Backhand
DeathRowKitty
Grendel (null)
Hiraki (null)
Not_Mafia (null)
MuttonChopMagic
VOTE: NotTheRealPaul (top scumread)

Why are you town reading backhand, and DRK?

Where is klick?

I explained DRK later. Will cover backhand in a bit.
Klick totally slipped of my radar omo

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No? You didn't nail me that game

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Okay. I think can specify on that.

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Yeah
I

can

verify the clarified statement. I was subject to that trend in a game in fact.

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YO NOTSURE YOU DON'T HAVE TO LEAVE SINCE ACCOUNTANT GOT BANNED

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PenguinPower replaces Klick.
SlingshotWaffles replaces notsure.
Nero Cain replaces Accountant.

Holy shit that was swift

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so to be clear
you have a good reason to vote yourself my dear?

yup obviously I voted myself because I know Im scum and I want towncred since I led the wagon on myself.

So when I flip scum, then obviously im like conftown because I led the wagon so then I dont need to worry about being mislynched

/sarcasm

UNVOTE:

now town cant get distracted over something irrelevant (IMO) and we can have real discussion

Or is this somehow useful to town? Please explain why because I am newb.

Seems like an over reaction/AtE.

"But I'm also inclined to think DRK is trying to start a wagon to direct away from my read on them, as shit and/or personal as people might think it to be."

is

"But I'm also inclined to think DRK is trying to start a wagon to direct away from my read on them, as shit and/or personal as people might think my read on DRK to be.

Not sure can you explain this? DRK hasnt even voted you Im not sure how he is trying to start a wagon on you

This indicates you aren't paying attention to things. It's a proven fact that scum don't have to read the Game as closely as they know everyone's alignment.
Huh, I forget who taught me that. Proof I've been around a long time by now.

This was why I scumread NTRP MCM

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Not MCM, CCC

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Oh hey look I'm in a completely different game now.

You're voting Gamma...I don't necessarily like Gamma. Why are you voting Gamma?

Fbfjygbtgcbg(?;()FBGRFhjhfhevgrf
Can you actually put effort in gfdi

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Ewwww

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Oh lol
K I'm slightly townreading him
I'd say at the very bottom of my TRs

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Oooh. Violation of the ADA. I'm filing an EEOC complaint.

Shit I know that means something but I forget and cbf to go back to where I saw it

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I think pp is colorblind

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@Nero I liked his flashwagon request as it doesn't read like scum suggesting a quicklynch but a townie possibly seeing what scum will take the bait

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I see blue yellow and red
No green

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y

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I am invoking my platinum mafiascum membership credibility license to declare that Nero is town.
Sorry to the scum who this inconveniences.
<3

y

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K cool. I'll take that as "toneread"
Not fully sure of that one but I'll state I won't try to lynch Nero today.

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I think someone had FOSed him thinking it was real

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Agree to disagree then.

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You god damn floppy fish.
I will never forgive you for disagreeing with me.

Just don't lynch me and we're good

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That was 1838 right?

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Progress?

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Paul is probably a PR SW

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Looking at the VC, I am A-OK with my vote because I hate all of the other wagons.

Why don't you like the other wagons?

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VOTE: gamma

Why

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I don't remember what read I promised I would explain anymore ;-; help

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Yeah. I think I've developed a method to read them however.

Liar!

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Don't really believe in it
Also you're a very slight townread

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Can someone remind me what reads I need to explain?

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why is cheetory a town read for you
both gamma and ccc an answer would b cool

Uhh I forgot
He kinda feels genuine to start

Okay, now

this

is starting to look suspicious. Your readslist was close to mine, which had been posted before yours, and now you're saying you 'forgot' why you Townread someone on that same list?

Well, then. In order to prove that your readslist is genuinely

your

readslist and not a lazy-scum copy of mine that just shuffled a few central names around, can I ask you to please explain your reads on... um... let's go with Notsure, NotTheRealPaul, and DeathRowKitty. Top of the list, bottom of the list, and one that's not in the same place on your list as it is on mine.

GE this is the only thing I can think of but I believe you answered already

Alright then
I know more exists but I'll focus on this for now
still have notsure and DRK to explain

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I just feel your posts have a scummy tone for some reason

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None of my scumread are strong rn
I'm p much in the same boat as Grendel with reads

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I only changed my avatar because I wanted to join the Chikorita avatar cult

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I read PP as town
The tone of the quicklynch suggestion didn't feel scummy

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suggestion by Klick*

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I just said it
Tone of Klick's quicklynch suggestion.
It's a weak read but I'm not in the mood to lynch him today

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Tone of Klick's quicklynch suggestion.

i) Articulate what about it was town.
Convince me.
Or I'm going to be a jerk and make noise until we get a lynch.

ii) You have no feeling on any of Penguin's play so far?

I feel scum would try to sugar coat the proposition a bit.
Also he only said wagon, not lynch. Not sure if you were aware of this or not but I wanted to make sure you knew.

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tfw dayvig tags aren't a thing

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tfw dayvig tags aren't a thing

And why aren't they?

Because faking dayvig is stupid most of the time

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If that's an actual dayvig I'm gonna throw my conceptions of this setup out the window
Actually tbh I already should, no indication of what I expected

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Why are you voting Nero?
Cheetory says he's his hero

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It's a fairly poor tell. It's when someone complains about their predecessor being scummy.

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*@Gamma*

Who of the four people in my lynch pool would you be interested in lynching?

Without looking them over I'd say Hiraki and Backhand are all right
I feel NM as mafia tries to do stuff but at the bare minimum

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It's a fairly poor tell. It's when someone complains about their predecessor being scummy.

I've had plenty of success with it though it only works on new players that aren't aware of said tell.

W R O N G
I've actually used it on someone who hadn't heard of it as town. Best part is I was mafia and I was acting like the tell was actually a scumtell when

it really isn't

.

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How about you explain that

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Because I haven't been paying this game much mind

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I just had to go through two lylos/mylos. I lost both.

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Gamma please link me your latest scumgame.

VOTE: Not_Mafia
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Lol k

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viewtopic.php?f=2&t=71796
Here it is
Also I just finished 2 LyLo/mylos so my focus has been off of this game

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Apologies but given that I'm really disengaged this game and I need to cut back a bit

Replace me out

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Sorry for having to drop
At least kraska returned

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Also I totally expected a NU role to show up here