Mini Normal 1917: :X Mafia (Game over!)

[Nero Cain]

vote:PP

[Nero Cain]

I'm rvsing on p23 lol

[Nero Cain]

Advance notice but I will be

v/la on the 16th

[Nero Cain]

Ugh, I'm pretty cool lynching RQS guy.

tell us more.

slingshitwaffles/notsure being lock town
via the replace out wording and around

So you think he's town b/c he requested to be replaced?

K I'm slightly townreading him

for?

[Nero Cain]

I'm never unvoting PP because he's colourblind and that's just not okay with me.

[Nero Cain]

though I might unvote once I read and stuff but him thinking your clock is green is meh

[Nero Cain]

its blue?

[Nero Cain]

maybe actually read my original post?
that's not what I said, no

slingshitwaffles/notsure being lock town
via the replace out wording and around

notsure has requested replacement.

If you talked about this somewhere else you'll have to wait for me to read in but not really liking the 'tude.

[Nero Cain]

Sorry for being a bit inactive. I wasn't feeling too well yesterday.

[Nero Cain]

@ Sling

, do you know what the amished tell is?

[Nero Cain]

vote:Sling

also like cheets PP case and I'm willing to go back the that if we can't lynch this scumbag.

[Nero Cain]

It's a fairly poor tell. It's when someone complains about their predecessor being scummy.

I've had plenty of success with it though it only works on new players that aren't aware of said tell.

[Nero Cain]

W R O N G

it's not wrong when it's

MY

personal experience.

[Nero Cain]

It's a fairly poor tell. It's when someone complains about their predecessor being scummy.

I've had plenty of success with it though it only works on new players that aren't aware of said tell.

The first time I subbed in a game I called my predecessor scummy
I was town, and like, I never believe in supporting tells that personal experience finds not funny

ok, I find it not funny too. If you don't want to support something that you don't think has merit then that's on you bro. I will agree that like with any "tell" it's not 100% accurate and him telling us he thought his predecessor was dumb is still distancing himself from the previous owner. It was my impression, its scumhunting yo. If he's scum then he'll do other scummy things.

unvote

[Nero Cain]

Gamma why aren't you voting anyone?

[Nero Cain]

Why is that?

[Nero Cain]

@mutton I'm not really getting why you are all up in arms over my slot. Wanna talk about it?

Gamma's thing about being demotivated kinda makes sense but that's not really AI for this game.

[Nero Cain]

I'm assuming that I've played with Cheet before, I just don't remember anything about him. lol I'll dive some of his games but I am already lightly town reading him based on his early lulz self-vote. Yes, scum have done the whole "I'm scum"/self vote type gambits but I think they mostly come from derp town that thinks it's going to trick scum.

RE: RQS

I don't think I've ever

seen

scum do RQS that's not to say that Grendal can't be scum 'cause that's an appeal to majority argument and those are kinda wank. I immediately dislike PP here for finding RQS AI when it's not.

[Nero Cain]

Ugh, I'm pretty cool lynching RQS guy.

Reading.

So this was a "I'd be willing to policy lynch" thing then? Why did you not differentiate?

[Nero Cain]

notsure pings me with 77 Looks like white knighting of Grendal. And 80 is just weird. 84 seems like a fence sit.

[Nero Cain]

but what really strikes me as the Mafiaest post so far (and that's a pretty low bar) is Klick calling for a quicklynch on Cheetory.

It's WIFOM. So nullish.

[Nero Cain]

Just as a general question for everyone - is having around one in three players Mafia a reasonable ratio?

Which, with thirteen players, would mean four Mafia?

Oh jeeze.
Uh.
Three mafia is probably the only thing you're going to see here.

3 mafia + sk is also a common mini setup too. But yeah, we are guaranteed to have 3 groupscum.

[Nero Cain]

^
or maybe cheet is right? like the last few mini normals have all been 3 mafia. I guess 3 mafia+sk is more likely in a mini theme.

[Nero Cain]

I'll finish when I get back.

note to delf page 8.

[Nero Cain]

i actually think nero might be scum tho

[Nero Cain]

Alright. I guess given what I've seen of him it may not be a thing he would do. I feel you've thought it through so I'll let it go.
I think I should reread to get some better reads since some people had been pinging me as Town on first glance.

Gamma backing down kinda irks me.

[Nero Cain]

Who is masian

Masian is a legendary poster on this site. It was once said that she once caught the entire scum team on page 1. She has never not been protected at night and when she replaces into games, it's standard operating procedure for the scum to just claim and let themselves get lynched to save everyone time. She quit mafia after the FBI offered her a lucrative contract to put her skills to work sniffing out Russian spies.

i lol'd

[Nero Cain]

paul is cringe but town.

[Nero Cain]

Is there any interest in Penguin?

there is actually alot of interest in PP rn.

What do you think of notsure/sling?

[Nero Cain]

Advance notice but I will be

v/la on the 16th

this was also meant to be the 13th, not 16. So I'll be gone tomorrow.

[Nero Cain]

nero hasn't done anything except park on one of the easy lynches (PP).

I'd argue that the guy you want lynched is an easier lynch so project much? But EZ lynch=//=town so...Also I'm not even voting PP. Like if you are gonna shade thrown you should read up.

[Nero Cain]

you, pp and Gamma.

[Nero Cain]

I think you missed like all of my posts. lol Like I'm getting the same "notsure/sling is just an ez lynch"

[Nero Cain]

Notsure's abrasive combativeness looked like newbie town

All newbies are different but yes, the whole "I'm right!" is kinda a thing. Its like teenagers that think they have all the answers and know everything. I can reread him but I didn't really get that impression.

[Nero Cain]

you, pp and Gamma.

but does Sling bus his replacing out buddy?

[Nero Cain]

Not too long ago, well maybe about a year ago. Pisskop was getting heavily scum read and

TACTICALLY

replaced out [as scum]. So I would not be surprised if he'd do the same in an attempt to maybe not get deadline lynched, idk. Cheet is also saying this is his scum meta sooooo...

vote:Gamma

I have all night phase to ponder if you are his buddy or not but scums is scum.

[Nero Cain]

not that I know of. I'm just saying that I think scum replacing out under pressure is a thing.

[Nero Cain]

If anything, he may have just generally been struggling with being scum here?

maybe *shrugz*

I mean like the NM wagon felt EZ and maybe it was so ez b/c scum was on it. Kanksa and Sling are both scumreads. Cross bus? maybe. Is one town and the other scum? maybe. I don't really know I guess.

[Nero Cain]

that's a PL I'm not supporting because that's a PL people try to use against me.

like I don't really like that. It sounds like scum that knows NM is town.

From what I understand NM is going to be a minimalist useless player regardless of alignment so idk. Like its null but its still scummy. I think I don't really care who we lynch from that group but we have 48 hours till deadline so I'll see how things go.

[Nero Cain]

I'm always wishwashy.

[Nero Cain]

No from what i remember you always have this one scumread ure stubborn as a mule about

I get called out on fence sitting like all the time and wasn't I scum in the game we played together?

[Nero Cain]

I don't lawl.

go back to road to rome.

[Nero Cain]

you know that waffles was my first scum read yes? Like it just feels really disingenuous that you knew I was calling Sling scum and that I was right but also trying to push me. Like its really convoluted.

[Nero Cain]

Not interested in Gamma/Kraska.

I can vote NM if I have to, but its not my preferred lynch.

I want better options. -.-

like who?

[Nero Cain]

What do you think about nero, grendel?

Do you have something to say?

[Nero Cain]

Not yet--you always this defensive?

yes

[Nero Cain]

Her posting today has pretty much removed my interest in that lynch,

Why?

[Nero Cain]

lol. Part of me just wants to vote not CCC to spite kraska but someone give me a nutshell case on him.

[Nero Cain]

@kranska Maybe I'm not understanding something but are you actually scumreading CCC or just want him lynched 'cause he's "lynchbait"?

[Nero Cain]

lol good luck mislynching me scumkraska

[Nero Cain]

Nero who's scum?
Bonus points if you actually explain why and convince me.

I WANT BONUS POINTS!

but real talk. I was scum reading gamma, pp and Sling. Like maybe you could argue that Gamma slot and Sling aren't scum together so maybe backhand? Like you can just read my iso and get a pretty good idea of things but I have a headache and I don't really feel like doing to much but if you have any questions you can ask.

[Nero Cain]

We probably shouldn't lynch N_M anyway because I kind of believe he believes his scumread on me.

he's a claimed pr and I'm ok with not lynching that d1.

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: Nero

you should fix this

[Nero Cain]

I agree this doesn't seem like Town Nero, but do you have anything else?

Why?

like just 'cause Kraska is claiming that I have no strong scum reads doesn't mean that its true. Why do you value her words over mine?

[Nero Cain]

So why doesn't this seem like town Nero then?

[Nero Cain]

yeah, we aren't mislynching me d1. Like I'm not really sure what everyone is up in arms over but I can tell you that the crap that Kraska is saying about me that I only come in to defend myself is hot manipulative garbage.

[Nero Cain]

I mean I was scumreading both the Gamma slots and the sling shots. Kraska immediately comes in and pushes Sling. Like there's only two thoughts I can have here-they are cross bussing or I'm, wrong on one and Kraska wants to us that as evidence that I'm being wishy-washy-let alone the fact that being "wishy-washy" isn't and never will be a "scumtell" for me. Its like buzzword scumhunting.

[Nero Cain]

You don't see how someone could see that?

no, I really don't b/c its not like my iso has been bare of my reads and what not and ppl can just ask me on something they might not understand or w/e

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: Nero Cain

Yeah, but he's been worse since then. I really don't think kraska is scum, this feels exactly right to me.

like this guy has been snipping at me from the sidelines the whole game so I wouldn't be surprised if he's scum that's too afraid to engage me.

[Nero Cain]

kraska77 (5): CCC, SlingshotWaffles, Nero Cain, MuttonChopMagic, PenguinPower

I mean obv my reads can't be right unless its a crossbuss between her and sling and PP is also bussing but that just feels off. Like why would they not be voting my big juicy mislynch. Town cred for flipping their buddy?

[Nero Cain]

I'm also a zero hour counter wagon and that doesn't really make me feel good vibes about her either.

[Nero Cain]

So, when you come in and you respond to things pertaining to you, it can kind of come across like you're only popping up when you need to defend yourself.

I mean sure but I mean its not like I haven't been scumhunting. In fact, Kraska is playing hard and loose with my "meta" here. Like she's saying that when I'm town I'm confident is my reads yet she's also using my previous cofidence to claim I'm not scum hunting. like bullshit. We should rope this scum.

[Nero Cain]

I don't think I've been any less confertatinal than normal.

[Nero Cain]

I'm not even sure what game we played in but no.

[Nero Cain]

Mostly I townread kraska

why?

[Nero Cain]

I think now you're being a little more familiar to my experience with your towngame, but up to this point you were a little lukewarm?

I mean maybe. Sometimes I think it tskes folks fussing at me before I really get into "yelly Nero"

[Nero Cain]

like, I could maybe see how one might misinterpret me being less than active but this is actually how I prefer to play. Also I'm still mildly sick so that may have played a part in things.

[Nero Cain]

But Kraska arguing that a town Nero is confident n his reads and then using that same confidence to claim I wasn't scumhunting doesn't sit well.

[Nero Cain]

What's your experience with kraska? Do you have a general idea of how she plays as town/scum?

As far as I know, we were in one game together and I don't remember her really doing things.

[Nero Cain]

but she's given reasons for her positions and seems genuine.

Why does this apply to her and not me?

[Nero Cain]

because one time a year ago someone tactically replaced was not good, felt faked.

like you do realize that I'm not using that as a reason for scumreading the slot. alot of ppl town read replace outs even though they are null.

[Nero Cain]

For pp/klick they've done a whole bunch of nothing.. The word active lurking comes to mind. Also 1048 is rolefishing and thats just yuck. The ONLY thing I like from PP is their vote on Kraska.

[Nero Cain]

I was town in Civ.

[Nero Cain]

oh i misread that lol

[Nero Cain]

triple C, as annoyingly bad as N_M is we aren't lynching a claimed PR.

[Nero Cain]

notsure pings me with 77 Looks like white knighting of Grendal. And 80 is just weird. 84 seems like a fence sit.

this is still a thing though.

80 is weird 'cause 80 is weird (I think Grendal was asking about that) Like idk...as scum you need to give yourself the flexibility to vote and by not giving a read on a slot you give yourself that flexibility. I mean, in hindsight you could argue that he was scumreading DRK (or scum that knows DRK is town) but if he was just town that was legit scumreading DRK why would he NOT give a scum read just to vote her a few posts later. It's odd. Inb4 "he's a VI!"

I mean mutton was town reading this slot for 517 and eh....like if I tilt my head just the right way I could see it. It feels kinda null though. I think scum wouldn't want to be in a "toxic" game either.

not a big fan of Slings like first 4 post being promises to catchup.

I'm still not a fan of 642. Like why would he feel the need to call notsure an idiot?

I

DO

agree with him that Gamma's replace out doesn't feel great.

I do feel like his back and forth with Kraska was awfully pedantic and Waffles does come out looking better.

[Nero Cain]

Not today. I was asking for his case on you so that I could examine and consider it and try to figure out whether or not I wanted to transfer my vote to you.

Why not engage me yourself then? Sans anyone else's case on me how do

YOU

feel about me?

[Nero Cain]

like I'm voting PP over myself. I mean, I realize that it would be really bizarre if all of Kraska, Sling and PP were scum together but they all aren't town.

VOTE: PP

[Nero Cain]

I'm not scum. lol

Why did Krska and nm vote/herself/her after the PP lynch?

having internet problems. Will try to post later. I'll go to the library if they continue.

[Nero Cain]

Let's play ball faster today.

Why do you want the day to go faster?

[Nero Cain]

Idk he's been blowing off people calling him scummy with lame "lol I'm not scum" posts a bit too much. Kind of finding it a little hard to believe that he thought Kraska/N_M voting Kraska at the end of the day is anything worth fussing over.

I think it's a valid question and you've played with me before and I deff use the "I'm not scum" defense as town. Why are you pretending like this is not a thing?

[Nero Cain]

Okay, I'll be back tom when im free to write down a detailed post on nero and grendel

this should be fun. Like your "case" on me from yesterday was all kinds of gross amd anytime you were proven wrong you just magically had a new reason.

[Nero Cain]

@Grendal-Why should I have interacted with you more?

[Nero Cain]

MuttonChopMagic- conf Town(?)
kraska77- conf Town(?)

this is pretty silly. Like ok, I think there is the possibility that MCM and Kraska are scum pulling a gambit but that should get cleared up sooner rather than later unless he's like 1x. It could easily be a difference in playstyle but the last time I received a FN message I did

NOT

out the conf town until they got ran up b/c why? Like you advertise that X is conf town and alert the scum and any potential protective roles where to be. I just don't think her actions are as pro-town as she wants you to believe but Slings kinda fencesit here is gross.

[Nero Cain]

Nero and waffles, where are you at on Not_Mafia? Do you consider "backup" to be a viable claim to keep alive?

NM is null scum. Firstly, NM is always going to play like this or atleast that's the gist I got. I'm not really super familiar with him. When I replaced in and he was the leading wagon like it felt kinda safe and lazy. I could have easily wagoned him without drawing much attention and him tunneling me despite that kinda gives me an "I don't care who is lynched" vibe. I think that theoretically scum could claim backup and it would be a relatively safe claim and its something that could maybe work itself out down the line. Even if he is scum there's still two others.

[Nero Cain]

your top 2 scum reads are based on Kraskas shit reads? thats bullshit bro

VOTE: CCC

[Nero Cain]

Does that make him scum? No. It just makes it him playing differently.

but your vote says otherwise. How does that fence feel?

[Nero Cain]

Except my vote doesn't say otherwise because that's not the reason for my vote.

What's the reason then?

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: Sling

join me MCM.

[Nero Cain]

zzzzzzzzzzz

[Nero Cain]

Who you voting when I flip town?

[Nero Cain]

i replaced into this game specifically to lynch you and also because kraska asked me to

COLLUSION!

[Nero Cain]

like the first day of Civ.

I'm sure there are others but its not like I'm going to go looking for them.

Also, I had done plenty of scumhunting on d1 prior to Kraska replacing in so her (and now your) accusation that I'm not scumhunting is total bullshit.

[Nero Cain]

his questions have little follow-up or bite to them - this is scummy because it means it's all just for show
he backs out of his reads easily which means he's more interested in what town wants to do than actually lynching scum
most of his questions are leading or misreppy and dont really have any utility in scumhunting. he's just throwing pointless shade which gives me the impression he's faking scumreads and not genuinely trying to put the pieces together

this is all subjective and/or manipulative. I'll respond to the individual stuff later but lets not mislynch me till that happens.

[Nero Cain]

if that's the case then i'd like nero to explain the point of most of those questions

'cause its scum hunting?

Like I'm probably way more passive agressive than I give myself credit for but I'm going to ask questions to help me understand the gamestate/try to understand peoples motivations for saying things that I find scummy/dumb/odd whatever.

Ugh, I'm pretty cool lynching RQS guy.

tell us more.

slingshitwaffles/notsure being lock town
via the replace out wording and around

So you think he's town b/c he requested to be replaced?

K I'm slightly townreading him

for?

first question and third questions are meh i guess. he kind of does follow up on the first but it's an easy question to ask as scum and he doesnt really do anything with the information he gets from the question. same applies for the third

second is a scummy question - the answer is already in the question and he's undermining the actual read and trying to misrep it into something less than it actually is. it's loaded and a nitpick that's just bullshit.

As I stated before, RQS is nullish on its own. I was generally interested in and found it slightly scummy that PP wanted to lynch that.

Replacing out is null, replacing out under pressure is kinda scummy. I thought it was odd that MCM was town reading the replacement for replacing out.

All this "nitpicky" and "loaded" is just maniplutive word salad.

@ Sling

, do you know what the amished tell is?

vote:Sling

also like cheets PP case and I'm willing to go back the that if we can't lynch this scumbag.

waffles didnt invoke amished's tell (he called his pred an idiot not scummy) - like you can argue that nero thinks that it's actually AI here and that asking sling if he knew about the tell is scumhunting but that's absolutely something scum can do and being able to point to a tell makes convincing people easier since you can detach yourself from the emotional nuances of reading someone that's hard to fake as scum

means nothing.

It's a fairly poor tell. It's when someone complains about their predecessor being scummy.

I've had plenty of success with it though it only works on new players that aren't aware of said tell.

The first time I subbed in a game I called my predecessor scummy
I was town, and like, I never believe in supporting tells that personal experience finds not funny

ok, I find it not funny too. If you don't want to support something that you don't think has merit then that's on you bro. I will agree that like with any "tell" it's not 100% accurate and him telling us he thought his predecessor was dumb is still distancing himself from the previous owner. It was my impression, its scumhunting yo. If he's scum then he'll do other scummy things.

unvote

but in what world is this a town reaction to getting criticism?

does he think it's scummy or not? why does he give a shit what MCM thinks about the tell?

like........................... there just isnt a town explanation for this. his mudslinging didnt work and he has to backtrack and find a new push. if this were a town thought process he'd keep pushing waffles here

Just look at 856,927. I'm still scumreading his slot. There wasn't support for his lynch. I could be right, I could be wrong. If I'm wrong then me just continuing to hollar that he's scum from the rooftops does nothing but distraction from lynching scum. Even if he was scum there were still two others so yeah. If you want to callit LAMIST fine but it was the pro-town thing to do also I unvote my scumreads like all the time so?

[Nero Cain]

ok he scumreads gamma but is this scummy? where is this addressed ever again?

How 'bout when I fucking vote him?

he's already shown though he has his own thoughts on gamma so why does he need to tie cheetory's read into his?

I didn't "need" too. I'm just saying it reinforced my own read.

what is the point of this line of questioning and why does town even think to post this ever

Backhand had been snarking at the sidelines without engaging me for awhile. That's not townie. I ask ppl why they are scumreading me all the time. Why is that such a strange question to ask someone that was scum reading me/doing the leg work to try and get heat on me slot?

like maybe the above question could be a simulation of doing that but the question is so useless and misreppy i dont think this is the case

How is it misreppy when that's you know...what actully happened? Its me thinking outloud.

in what world is this a scumread

"nm is null scum but he's always going to play like this" then maybe you're not reading him right?? yeesh

ummm...I've argued at least twice about not lynching NM. Like NM being a useless not entity and lurking through the game is a real possibilit I think and its in no way scuumy for me to keep that in the back of my mind. Why are you so bullish on NM slot being town?

Your stuff was garbage bro. Like your accusation of me being nitpicky is the same thing you are doing.

[Nero Cain]

Let's just skip ahead to where everyone calls me bad, and everyone thinks I'm scum and lynches me.

Why would town that thinks they are lyching scum ever say this?

[Nero Cain]

oh look, I'm everyone's top scumread now, besides maybe Hiraki and Cheet. Like that should be a huge neon sign that I'm a mislynch.

[Nero Cain]

I mean yea, you are going to be under a ton of heat once I flip town.

[Nero Cain]

*shrugz* If it takes my mislynch to solve the game then ok.

VOTE: Nero

[Nero Cain]

yea town played p well.