Hmmm, do I commit a vote before even reading the rest of the thread? Well you only live once.
Actually I've been shot like 20 times playing mafia maybe that doesn't apply.
Is there an arbitrary amount of time we must wait before lynching scum? When are we allowe to vote "for realzy"?In post 431, Tchill13 wrote:What has MMM done that's more scummier than Lil uzi asking to end the day early?
If I think any of your behavior or points are unclear I'll ask you about it.In post 448, Tchill13 wrote:Umm no? Seems like you implied you might push me as scum. If there was anything I could do to help you with a read on my slot I'm all ears.
So it's hearsay that it's scummy and you don't care either way.In post 453, Tchill13 wrote:I explained that when In the post I voted gerryoat. I personally don't care if day 1 is long or not. On this site I've been told it's scummy to want to end it quickly because there's less information and a greater chance of a mislynch. Which favors scum.
But you are curious what MMM has done that it's scummierIn post 431, Tchill13 wrote:What has MMM done that's more scummier than Lil uzi asking to end the day early?
But when you read his ISO it's scummy. But you don't feel especially willing to vote for him, even if you don't care one way or another if the day ends. Did I miss anything?In post 440, Tchill13 wrote:Scum lean:
MMM (I read the iso and the whole thing felt scummy to me, can go into more detail of needed)
What did you want to hear from Formerfish and how did it satisfy you?In post 175, EeveeLution Army wrote:Hmm i think i want to hear from formerfish about this lynch before i make my next move here.
Okay, that makes sense. I got that from: "ELA, we aren't going to solve the game Day 1. At most I will give this day until Tuesday but I really don't see a reason to contiune at this point."In post 537, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I never said there isn't any info to be gained on Day 1. How did you get not finding Day 1 useful from wanting to end the day early?In post 532, GreyICE wrote:I'm kind of curious Uzi, since I recognize you from the spam thread. Do you actually believe that there's very little info to be gained from day 1, or are you just trolling? Because it would seem to me that someone who posts so copiously would have some sort of motivation for doing so.
I personally find Day 1 useful for analyzing behavior early on and voting patterns but only after we've had a scum flip.
So specifically you like FormerFish's push to lynch MMM on the previous few pages?In post 536, EeveeLution Army wrote:Me and former had a bit of a back and forth back then and i explained why i specified him. I can't remember if he specifically answered it but i felt satisfied with his posts after that one.
In post 336, LmkGuy wrote:Right! Well that happened quickly! Apologies for the afk, long story short Thursdays = busy af and today was report writing day (im a teacher).
Onto the good stuff:
I have read through the thread and my initial reactions are:
Mastina: coolest mod. Makes shit so organised and easy!
Seriously though, there has been a fair amount of posting so going to do my best to address what I can. If i miss anything just hmu
Arona: Nuffin to say, hasn't posted in the last 2 days.
Gerry: Pretty useless posting, troll votes on mod, silly statements, but to be fair to him, most of these were start game stuff and he has promised to catch up. Verdict still out
Bomber: I like his early comments but the stuff about his gameplay/style irks me. It seems like an attempt to distance himself and be able to use this as an excuse to back up or withdraw from comments he has/will make. He has done a bit of pushing and resisting to comments made, which I like. I feel like as scum, he could have buddied with Mulch without too much suspicion, rather than "poking the beast" so to say. This doesn't make him town, but i will hold my verdict until he reveals to use his magical play style that he has been training off site for all these years
Danny: His posts are wierd. Idk just from re reading his ISO I can't really get a clear idea from him. He has posted throughout the last two days, but hasnt really contributed to any of the major ideas being thrown out there. Seems to be more focused on himself and trying to keep a low profile, whilst still being active.
Mulch: obviously the big dog in town. He has thrown himself right out there and is doing his best to scum hunt (or at least put on a show of doing so). I'm weary of him as his play style is very similar to the last scum team I versed. Basically go out guns blazing, try get as many people to lock you as town and go from there. For the time being I guess he is my strongest Townlean, not because of what he is saying, but rather the way others are reacting to him.
Fish: Very early buddy attempts with Mulch. The way the game has progressed, I highly doubt both of these guys are scum. IMO either one is scum (therefore other is town) or they are both town. I feel as though Fish is focusing on the content of posts and using this to inform his votes/opinions, which I really like.
Uzi: His early game is an attempt to blend in, his mid posts are all focused on him and then his later posts seem to be focused on moving attention away from himself. I don't really like this progression at all and it feels slightly scummy to me.
Tchill: Seems pretty neutral to me so far, just going with the flow, will have to see what he comes up with before I can make a serious judgement.
MMM: The wagon we have going so far. His early posts seem genuine, but not the biggest fan of his mid/later posts. He seems to be employing a similar strategy to what i mentioned about Mulch, and at the moment it seems like a bit of a dick measuring contest between Mulch and MMM. Do I think he is scum? Maybe, but not my strongest scum read at the momment.
Massive: Okay Mr "low-content poster as both alignments". I don't mind if this is the case, but would like an insight from you here. I do believe post count is NAI, but so far don't have too much from you, so would love to see more.
Right that covers my reads list so far. Will make sure I stay on top of the game from here on out. Like I said, let me know if you have any questions.
In post 673, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:What's the case on LMK? Bad readlist? He didn't vote a scum read?
Why is the latter more scummy than MMM refusing to make him so clear or explain himself when further asked and his reasoning for self-vote?
In post 685, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:So lurking and effort which is NAI?
I found his read list reasonable for that point of the game by the way.
This is interesting, because when I originally said why I voted LMK you had this to say:In post 687, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Grey I like to think you know you're pushing NAI things off off a very small sample size.
In post 626, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I pointed that out and got ignored by ELA and Gerry
That's a great deal different than claiming I have no case at all.In post 690, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I don't see why your case on him is better than the cases on MMM.
Yes, you said it was based on things that don't indicate alignment.In post 692, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I didn't claim you have no case? I said it's based NAI things.
His replace out felt genuine, and the push on him from FormerFish (especially to hammer without claim day 1) felt anything but.In post 698, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:No.
Why is MMM's slot town? Why can't you or anyone else answer this?
You're a wall because you show no sign that you change your opinion based on what others say. You're a wall because if anyone dares have an opinion that disagrees with you you show up to yell at them.In post 704, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I'm not a wall. I asked that question various times and kept getting no response. I got one and it doesn't really make me reconsider. I'd like to know why are suddenly focused on a PR claim and why are you implying they invalidate reasons for why he's scum read.
Dunno man, starting to feel like I'm that guy you ignore and shoot at night.In post 720, Formerfish wrote:Hello Grey, I haven't gotten to where you replaced in yet. It was a bad idea to get high and put supernatural on in the background. I'm sure we'll butt heads soon.
And yes, he is def. doing that.
Means that my confidence you're town is pretty low. One might say even non-existent.In post 726, Formerfish wrote:What did this mean though?In post 682, GreyICE wrote:FYI whenever someone puts the loudest and clearest voice in the town as one of their only town reads (along with FormerFish for... some reason... (buddy) it's a bad sign
I have no idea at the moment, well a few, but I don't care to alt hunt.In post 868, ReplacedIn wrote:@Grey, who's town here dude? Why are you voting the MMM slot again? I'd say there's minimum 1 scum inside Tchill/Evee,possiblytwo but there's a few small things that make me think they're not S/S, thoughts on that? Also if you know who I am keep it to yourself, please.
In post 903, Tchill13 wrote:I'm not on the MMM wagon because I'm not scum. I'm just really bad town on day 1.
In post 908, ReplacedIn wrote:Man, you're a better player than to actually believe the bolded here, "hmm, what scum motivation is there not to put someone to L-1 or join the leading wagon late on it". Like Tchill not voting MMM should have minimal impact on your read on MMM and doesn't change the fact that slot is town and there's lots of reasoning that should lead you towards that. Run me through the Evee town read please because apparently I'm bad. I'll also take words on your town read on iDanny because I'm getting sort of ~weak town feels~ from him but haven't been able to really lock that down.In post 901, GreyICE wrote:Anyway thoughts currently are that tchill's slide onto LMK is like... disconcerting and weirdly positioned.If we assume the tchill slot is scum (good assumption) then why isn't he on the mmm wagon? Mmmm?
Would also lynch tchill because, well, he's scum.
Strong town is idany, Uzi, Eevee, Mulch. Anyone scumreading them is bad.
Parse that post for a second. Mulch thinks Eevee is scum. Eevee says Mulch is scum. Mulch's reaction is "your scumread is bullshit".In post 267, Mulch wrote:Your scumread on me is bullshit because I've been nothing but townie all day. My scumread on you is clouding your judgment.
Do you really argue it's better to lynch active players?In post 910, gerryoat wrote:LMKguy has 4 post, he could easily be lynchbait. Why do you wanna lynch him 4 posts into the game for him? When there is lynches that could likely be mafia and also give of partner tells
So would Eevee have been scum faking a read, or town who is misreading you?
In post 922, gerryoat wrote:its better to lynch scummy players who are active than non scummy players who aren't active.In post 914, GreyICE wrote:Do you really argue it's better to lynch active players?In post 910, gerryoat wrote:LMKguy has 4 post, he could easily be lynchbait. Why do you wanna lynch him 4 posts into the game for him? When there is lynches that could likely be mafia and also give of partner tells
Is this a thing?
Bam I flipped Chickadee she's scum. Look at that. Wow I'm a fucking magic man.In post 921, Tchill13 wrote:I don't become great or anything but there's an actual lynch and there's more hard evidence such as where votes were on the lynch.In post 906, GreyICE wrote:In post 903, Tchill13 wrote:I'm not on the MMM wagon because I'm not scum. I'm just really bad town on day 1.
What changes about days 2+ that make you "good town" on those days?
But instead I'm voting scum and that's awesome.In post 937, ReplacedIn wrote:¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Was kind of hoping GI would realise who I was and actually play this one properly but if everyone is going to play brainlessly then I really don't see the point of investing.
If you get vigged I won't cry about it.In post 944, Mulch wrote:GreyIce do you still scumread me?
I did this already. Last page. You didn't respond.In post 947, Mulch wrote:Explain parts of me that are scummy.
Nope. Lets make this simple. Can scum misread you?In post 954, Mulch wrote:Nope. And if your talking about that one interaction with someone when I said I am confirmed town, I need more than that. I'm not responding to bullshit.In post 949, GreyICE wrote:I did this already. Last page. You didn't respond.In post 947, Mulch wrote:Explain parts of me that are scummy.
Do you understand why I wouldn't cry about your death now?
So why the hell would you try to sell the person your vote is on that they're misreading you?In post 974, Mulch wrote:Nope. They can fake misreading me.
I know that you're an idiot. You seem oblivious to that fact.In post 979, Mulch wrote:Now, how do you think I would KNOW 100% that someone is scum? Only scum know whether someone is town or scum 100%.
What do you know that I don't?
"Help, Grey isn't making the case I want to make!"In post 982, ReplacedIn wrote:Don't really like Tchills reaction towards the scum reads and move towards Evee.
Also not really liking Grey's focus here but more in a 'he's better than that' than a 'that's scummy' way.
I said I thought you were town you nitwit. I said your play was sloppy and egotistical and I believe that leads to you posting a lot of scummy things because you post them just for the sake of posting them with no level of thought given. And overall with someone who posts as often as you do you were guaranteed to have scummy shit in your ISO, but that still is enough to make you the weakest of my strong town reads.In post 987, Mulch wrote:I'm not an idiot, I just don't take bullshit pushes.In post 986, GreyICE wrote:I know that you're an idiot. You seem oblivious to that fact.In post 979, Mulch wrote:Now, how do you think I would KNOW 100% that someone is scum? Only scum know whether someone is town or scum 100%.
What do you know that I don't?
This is everything and the kitchen sink level of scumhunting. Like... Uzi points out "everything you said was pretty fucking wrong." MMM doesn't stop to reevaluate his fucking godawful case, he just damns the torpedoes, full speed ahead.In post 243, MMM wrote:1. I didn't realise you still had your vote on Mulch.In post 235, Lil Uzi Vert wrote: I think town here would ask me why I was still voting for someone who I thought was probably town at the time and why I'm still voting for them currently rather than push this narrative.
2. If you're town, then instantly obvtowning Mulch in spite of his reasoning for most of his reads being flawed is wrong - even though I'll concede that his efforts in general read as town, putting that much confidence in him being town seems like something really easy for scum to do for town cred here.
3. If you turn out to be scum like I'm expecting, then there's little point in me asking why your vote is on anyone in particular anyway.
4. You're talking about catching town in RVS, and you say you're good at catching scum? That seems more like a deflection than anything else.
5. My scum reads aren't ordered that meticulously, they are merely on 3 different levels - townleans, null slots, scumleans. Having a list that is orderedthat wellat this point in the game with high confidence can't even come from town. The fact you're pointing at something minor like that to attempt to get attention off of yourself reads as scummy as well.
Let's make this clear. He's bitching that Uzi is apparently doing the same thing to him thatIn post 345, MMM wrote:I swear a fucklot more than the next guy because I get really frustrated when every single one of you is acting like a bunch of fucking retards by calling me scum based on pathetically false accusations and not actually dealing with what I am actually fucking talking about in my god damn posts. I came to this site in the first place because the play standard on PS was simply fucking awful but I certainly never expected it to be just as bad here. You, like massive, have not read the fucking context when you made your own accusation, and thus obviously your shitty statement about my intentions there is completely and utterly WRONG.
I could tell you to actually read the context and interpret it as what you're SUPPOSED to interpret, but clearly it's just a waste of time. Those on my wagon who are town are tunnelling and those who are scum are taking advantage of me being a really easy wagon. It doesn't really matter what I say, because neither are getting off any time soon, apparently, despite it being the obvious correct play, and I find it incredibly hard to believe that it's not already been done.
And on a final note... thank you guys so much for proving to me that I should just stop trying with this entire game. I thought the standards of play here would be higher than on PS, but apparently actually making your fucking cases will result in people calling you fake and scum for actually trying to accomplish shit without explaining either why I'm scum or why my case is apparently a totally fake narrative. No thank you, I'd rather just die on night 1 every fucking game so I don't have to deal with peoples' fucking bullshit.
VOTE: MMM
I'm gonna take a very wild guess and say that someone will assume that I've claimed scum for the second time now, and you know what, I don't even care at this point. After all you clearly all know so much better than me so surely you'll manage to find scum really easily after my mislynch. But whatever. I can't be fucked investing more time into this if I'm just gonna get blatantly ignored and misrepped by both town and scum.
Poke me if you're actually gonna read what I have to say. I'm done with talking into a fucking vacuum.
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Dude.In post 1047, Tchill13 wrote:Yeah that's understandable. I see what you're saying with the comprise I do agree with that. Is there anything I can explain to you that would help? I don't think Luv or chickadee will be lynched. It'll probably be me. That is a decent thing because we won't out any PR'S on day 1. Im not gonna be in favor of lynching town though.
In post 1248, Tchill13 wrote:I'm just saying I'm not gonna scum read someone for something then do the same thing as scum. I got a little too caught up in hunting and I wasn't worried about looking towny. I was worried about hunting scum. So that added with the fact that boonskies is determined to lynch me since at worst its just a mislynch with no PR outs leaves me with very little to be able to say. I agree I look scummy and I can't make a scum case against boonskies because he makes a great point about not outing other PR's. I'm not gonna advocate my lynch because I refuse to advocate a townie lynch. Are there any slots that are definitely scum when I flip town?