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[iDanyboy]

VOTE: Syndesis
Me neither

[iDanyboy]

Why are you not answering my questions? I'll vote when you answer them. Deal?

this is bad

Why is this so bad?

I think this post is worse, Why did you make that connection for him when he never said anything about that?
VOTE: Dragnalus

[iDanyboy]

Rereading the thread I don't think Drag is as scummy as I previously thought because of his reaction to the pressure. UNVOTE:

Tentative town lean on Synergy guy or the space ball dude


Not as of this page I

Why do you think everyone is a town read, maybe because your scum and you know they are town. VOTE: Ingeel

[iDanyboy]

@Dragan@ 202
I'm not sure about Drag but I agree with him about his argument with twoface and that it's just a difference in playstyle.

@Drag could you clarify why you voted for twoface and have now decied to unvote him?
@Sheep why do you think i'm and acceptable lynch and why haven't you voted me for it?

@Ingel Why do you think Synergy and twoface are townie as?

I'm null on MM or twoface since he seems locked into this battle with Drag, which I don't think is alignment indicative. The only one I have a scum read on is on Ingeel because of how easyily he can call someone townie without calling out anyone for being scum which would mean he would have to lie. I agree with Sheeps response to his analysis and that he his reads are unfounded.

[iDanyboy]

I would say you were leaning town because of how hard you are pushing Drag which I don't think mafia would do so early on

[iDanyboy]

not the policy lynch itself; the fact they Alisae came here fiercely with policy lynch and then this stance disappeared

eh, fair enough
VOTE: iDanyBoy

Why?

[iDanyboy]

@Sheep you said your vote on Ingeel wasn't random so what made you think he was scum from his first post.

[iDanyboy]

Where did I misrepresent Ingeel? And how did I slam him? Do you not think having no scum reads and only calling people town is not suspicious?

I did go on to say TwoFace was leaning town where as your latest posts makes me think your scum.

@Mulch Why do you think I am town while many here would say they were happy to lynch me?

[iDanyboy]

He hasn't called anyone scum because that would require him to lie which would catch him out. Your scummy because you said I 'slammed' him and misrepresented him when I did not.

[iDanyboy]

He hasn't called anyone scum because that would require him to lie which would catch him out.

Why do you believe that scum wouldn't lie because that would catch them?

They do lie, but not everyone plays the same, they could lie and call a townie scum or they could play safe and call everyone town.

[iDanyboy]

I didn't mean everyone in general I meant everyone he talks about. Every post he makes about a player he calls them town #79 #140 #144 then after being called out his only post isn't very good either.

[iDanyboy]

Dan I still don't get why you think not giving out scumreads is scum indicative and it's making me scumread your slot.
Why do you see Ingeel saying people are town, and instead of thinking "ok this guy doesn't have scumreads" you jump to "that must be because he knows they're town and is playing it safe!"

Why do you scumread me?, instead of thinking 'ok this guy is trying to scumhunt' instead you jump to 'this guy is scum'

While you don't think it's scum indicative I do.

[iDanyboy]

I think TwoFace is town I cant see him faking his tunnel onto drag, and since the votes on Ingeel haven't done much i'm going to VOTE: Drag. I think his flip will help us a lot on day 2, and it will pretty much confirm TwoFace as town.My other scumread is Mario as I agree with Mulch that he was a lot harder on Drag then he has been on his other votes including me and I still think Ingeel is scum his post haven't cleared him up for me.

[iDanyboy]

Yea, I don't trust you as much as your the only one who thinks I'm town, lol.

[iDanyboy]

Dannyboy's vote move is scummy.

Why?

[iDanyboy]

I need to look through the IaI and Syndesis interactions.

This is true, although Syndesis did not really have any apparent scumreads just from looking at the ISO. Reads from Syndesis would be helpful. I am wondering, if Syndesis keeps the vote on IaI, what their reasoning is.

Could you answer this please?

[iDanyboy]

I'm very surprised by a Conservative Sheep NK I thought he was kind of scummy. Do you guys see anything in his posts that might of got him killed?
I don't like the way IAI is using CS's posts to push Alisae. His not using CS's reasoning just posting his posts without much explanation.
VOTE: IAI

[iDanyboy]

Sorry for my bad content throughout the game.

VOTE: much, because

scum yesterday is still scum today

Doesn't look like scumhunting to me seems like his just trying to put his vote on someone and Mush looked liked the easiest option.

I still think Twoface is town.
Mush also seems townie for sticking to his vote from the previous day.

@IAI, You put Co-Sheep in your town reads on Day 1 but looking through your ISO I couldn't find your reasoning, could you explain it?

Ingeel would be scum lean for me but twoface's post makes me think he could be town

Don't have much to say about BTD but this post does seem strange

[iDanyboy]

Ingeel would be scum lean for me but twoface's post makes me think he could be town

that post of mine had a typo which i corrected later. the NK points to ingeel scum not town

that puts him back in the scum lean spot then

[iDanyboy]

VOTE: btd

You've lurked too long.

The apathy in this game is like I've never seen before. Lack of votes, lack of scum reads, lack of everything. I'm seriously close to replacing out, for the first time in my life it has nothing to do with being busy either.

People start playing, or replace out. Or I will.

unvote alisea

vote BTD

(pedit)
vote LaLight

Yeah not my biggest scum read, but if this helps gets the game going, so be it. Yeah, I'm sure this will bring on the haterz for me voting someone other than Alisea/Synthesis but oh well. If that gets people to take stances then I've helped the game.

How will this help get the game forward? Can you clear up your stance? Do you think his town or now?

[iDanyboy]

VOTE: Lalight Thats L-1

[iDanyboy]

im a vanilla townie

[iDanyboy]

im a vanilla townie

Why did you claim here?

I think it's the best thing that we can do right now.

[iDanyboy]

Your argument that a two-shot roleblocker doesn't make sense with two cops is garbage unless you ignore context; the two cops you're referring to are limited rolecops (which are considerably weaker than full cops); a two-shot roleblocker is also weak role and it makes sense with the two rolecops.

Role Blocker AND role stopper are basically the same thing. I don't believe town has 2 identical roles.

Literally nothing can change my mind. I use research. There is no examples ever of a role blocker and role stopper on the same side. And the only RB/JK combo I could find was even/odd night.

So no you can't sell me on town has 2 2-shot role blockers.

We have 2 rolecops and strange can it be to have these 2 roles.

[iDanyboy]

He's confirmed scum in my eyes.

You tunneled a townie day 1 and you were sure he was scum, What's different between now and then? Apart from your reasoning is weak. VOTE: Twoface

[iDanyboy]

Drag didn't play like town as you say bit he was town so you 're wrong.
You reasoning seperate from the claim is that his been lurking and bad target selection. Half the playerlist has lurked are they all scum? As for his target selection the two picks he has are both alive, scum normally fakeclaim by targetting deadplayers and his blocks were not bad.

[iDanyboy]

No I wasn't wrong. just cause he flipped town doesn't mean he was town. If you play like scum you are scum regardless what you flip.

Bo

[iDanyboy]

*no

[iDanyboy]

Just beccausw I can't prove his town doesn't mean his scum. Can you prove I'm town? No? Am I scum then?

[iDanyboy]

Not related to his claim. Not case.

You say this but all of your reasoning in your post is based on his claim,

He voted IaI day one and blocked him too - seems townie
You tunneled a townie day one he blocks you day two - seems townie

His first block matches with who he voted day two. His second block also makes sense.

Why is it so hard to believe there is both a role stopper and blocker in a game where there are two town role cops.

All you scum points are not as strong as you think they are.

[iDanyboy]

Btw i can't make a case for you being town either. There are a lot of players in this game who aren't playing to the standards I have. That's why town is losing and will lose. Y'all let me down and I'll be avoiding whoever was town going forward.

Who has played to your standards and what are you reads on them?

[iDanyboy]

If you look through some of his past games he has a low post count in all of them.

[iDanyboy]

by the way we probably shouldn't setup speculate at all here if we're not massclaiming- it's hard to evaluate the likelehood of a role being town if we don't know the setup. it's possible btd6 is a scum roleblocker who claimed to save themself.

What do you think of Twofaces vote?

[iDanyboy]

Definitely believe BTD's claim here; as Syndesis noted, no real reason for him to claim here and in particular the discussion centering around the crumb rings very very true to me.

This is not town Nacho. Sorry you replaced into a scum slot...

I agree nacho is scummy in all his posts all he does is ask questions but does where little follow up and he doesn't have a stance on anything.
@Nacho who do you think is scum and why?

[iDanyboy]

VOTE: Nacho

[iDanyboy]

Slept peacefully, do not lynch Alisae today

Will explain l8r(or nexy opportunity) if necessary

Pls explain.

[iDanyboy]

Dany suddenly existing (or, well, more than I remember before) toDay is kind of hmm.

How is that hmm?

[iDanyboy]

Oh by the way for those at home wondering why Syndesis may be scum, here is exhibit A:

VOTE

His only vote of the game.

In Post 5 none-the-less.

I didn't realise this, this is pretty damning.

[iDanyboy]

How have I played anti town?

I've tried to get my scum reads lynched. That's protown. I've argued why they should get lynched and provided reasons for it.

All pro town.

Example1 Example 2

Dany suddenly existing (or, well, more than I remember before) toDay is kind of hmm.

How is that hmm?

It's hmm because gamestate things. If I could articulate it, it wouldn't be hmm.

So no reason

Oh by the way for those at home wondering why Syndesis may be scum, here is exhibit A:

VOTE

His only vote of the game.

In Post 5 none-the-less.

And this is scummy because...?

Shows you haven't been scumhunting.

Syndesis, can you link me to a completed town game or three where you have a voting history like this?

I can't, because this game is unique in its hellscapery.

In what way is it unique?

[iDanyboy]

What do you think of the players not named BTD-6?

[iDanyboy]

Spoiler: Quote 1

@iDanyBoy:
Why did you end up voting Drag here? You seem to be skeptical of TwoFace's perspective on Drag and talk about a post of his being scummier than Drag's post and yet you end up with a vote on him? How? The only two explanations that make sense to me are that you typed Drag but meant TwoFace or you decided to do a horrible job slyly sliding on the mislynch wagon while addressing reasoning you earnestly felt was bad.

In that quote I agreed with Drag.

Spoiler: Quote 2

@iDanyBoy:
Could you talk about why you thought that Drag's reactions to pressure were townie?
The vote on Ingeel also seems like a shallow one (and perhaps a way of pursuit already broken in by mush here), but my main problem with this post is mostly that he seems to drop his initial suspicion (which seemed serious) out of the blue and pretty much for no reason at all.

Because I realised my points weren't as strong as I taught and the argument with twoface felt like it was coming from town.

Spoiler: Quote 3

@iDanyBoy:
In this post, you're now calling Drag null (unless I'm misinterpreting something) which means that you went from scum to town to null on Drag within the course of three posts and I don't know why you held any of those beliefs - really need you to take some time explaining your opinions of him from early game because if you're town I think that I'll be able to see it easier with insight to that particular process and if you're scum I think it's a pretty egregious mistake so this is a pretty important topic of discussion for me.

When I voted him first I taught he was scum when I unvoted him I didn't think he was scum so that puts him into null not townie. Then I voted him again later because I didn't know who to vote and decided to follow TwoFace because I taught he was town.

As of right now, this is where I stand:

{TwoFace, IaI}
{BTD6, mush}
{Dany}
{Syndesis}
{Mario, Ingeel}

Syndesis hasn't really contributed much of anything; she could just be frustrated and disengaged, she could just be scum. This is where I feel I have the highest chance of being wrong on scum.

Ingeel has been lurking like a motherfucker, doesn't really have any redeeming qualities. Sheep kill seems like a "get him off your back" type of kill.

Why is Ingeel so high on your list? you have a lot of points towards mario but your only point towards Ingeel is his lurking which isn't AI. I don't see how you can put Ingeel higher than Syndesis when they have done about the same.

[iDanyboy]

VOTE: mm4

scummiest player to me at this time

why?

[iDanyboy]

VOTE: mm4

scummiest player to me at this time

and what do you think of the rest of the playerlist?

[iDanyboy]

In that quote I agreed with Drag.

Right. So why did you vote him.

mb, I meant I agreed with TwoFace that he was scummy but I taught the other post was scummier.

Just cause I have 3 scum reads doesn't mean I think everyone else as town. You asking me to is an unrealistic request especially given I never said he was a town read and I don't think town nacho would make suck a stupid request

oh so you don't have any reason to call ingeel town?
and yet he's not a top three scumread?

Why are you pushing this for? TF is right.

You spent 6 hours making a bunch of posts nobody cared about, nobody asked for, and nobody except one has even responded to it and after all that you didn't drop a vote.

So piss off homie. Or better yet eat rope. This isn't town nacho. No chance

Vote: Ingeel

Do you actually think he is scum?

[iDanyboy]

Why is Ingeel so high on your list? you have a lot of points towards mario but your only point towards Ingeel is his lurking which isn't AI. I don't see how you can put Ingeel higher than Syndesis when they have done about the same.

I don't even.

You do a lot of hmm'ing, you throw out questions and you do no analysis and take no stances in your post.
VOTE: Syndesis

Still think Nacho is scum, 3rd could be MM4, though he is not as strong as the other two though.

[iDanyboy]

mb, I meant I agreed with TwoFace that he was scummy but I taught the other post was scummier.

What other post and why did you think that it was scummy?

It's linked it within the original post with my reasoning.

[iDanyboy]

Do you actually think he is scum?

Yes.
Do you think that's an unreasonable stance to take?

Yes, I think it is a bad idea to lynch to player which only had 1 post on day 2 on no posts today. This is one of the reasons your 2nd on my list.

[iDanyboy]

I'm only halfway through p. 61 but I'm already laughing so hard I'm crying

Thanks for the insight. How can anyone think this guy is town now?

can we get this mm4 wagon goin

Spoiler:

prod acknowledged good to see lalight is at L-1

VOTE: btd

explain

yo ive been busy ill catch up tomorrow

VOTE: mm4

scummiest player to me at this time

i believe his claim tbh

With post like these I don't know why anyone wouldn't be following you. Are you scum?

[iDanyboy]

Nacho and Syndesis - Scum
MM4 - Kinda Scummy
Mush - Sorta Scummy
TwoFace - Town or his a great actor
Ingeel/Vedith + BTD6 - Unsure

[iDanyboy]

tbh Ingeel is null for me
His spoiler containing his Drag townread may not be accurate but I'm not sure it's scum-indicative either. I'd like to see more from him.

Read your role PM to find out

Since when did you think Ingeel is scum?

[iDanyboy]

actually generally speaking if anyone has a good case on nacho (ie, not just "not doing anything" or "defended btd") I'd love to hear it.

Lack of scumhunting is a reason. Who do you think is scum?

[iDanyboy]

Writes a 10 page wall and proceeds to vote for someone who hasn't been playing on day 2&3.
Why do you think I'm scum?

[iDanyboy]

I have stated why I think Syndesis is scum, that post was another example of him doing nothing. If you think he is scum hunting please show me an example. He doesn't call anyone scummy until just recently and said it was me without giving any reasoning. As to Nacho he didn't start schum hunting until post 40 where he was called out for it, I did switch my vote from Nacho to Syndesis because he did start scum hunting but I don't like his vote on Ingeel, he attacked the weakest player. First he said he found him scummy because he was lurking it wasn't until Post 1578 were he gave additional reasoning.

Why do you think I'm scum?

All your pushes kind of suck.

How does that make me scum?

[iDanyboy]

Dany has not explained how Syndesis is so scummy from that post. Town would generally have good reasons for their reads, in which case there is no reason not to state them. Scum very often do not (perhaps they cannot think of a good reason but they want to vote in order to push the mislynch). I am unsure whether this is bad Town or genuine scum, though.

I find in strange when otherse have done this you've been silent but you say something when it comes to me.

Spoiler: Mush

VOTE: mm4

scummiest player to me at this time

Spoiler: Nacho

You spent 6 hours making a bunch of posts nobody cared about, nobody asked for, and nobody except one has even responded to it and after all that you didn't drop a vote.

So piss off homie. Or better yet eat rope. This isn't town nacho. No chance

Vote: Ingeel

Here's a vote on someone you're townreading.
What's your town case on them?

[iDanyboy]

Schedule conflicts meant that I had a late start in the game - how is that indicative of my alignment?

How should I know if that's true? It is true that you didn't start until you were called out on it, which seems like scum trying to skate by.

What does it matter if I don't give my reasoning for reads immediately - why does it make me more likely to be scum?

This isn't my reasoning it's BTD's, I just found it weird how he calls me out for it (even though I have explained my reasoning on it) but not others, and stranger that you didn't have a problem when it was said to me.

[iDanyboy]

This isn't my reasoning it's BTD's, I just found it weird how he calls me out for it (even though I have explained my reasoning on it) but not others, and stranger that you didn't have a problem when it was said to me.

Since when do you have the expectation that I run interference for you? It's not like you've mentioned anything to TwoFace when he's continually saying things that are obviously wrong to anyone with eyes and yet you've pretty readily come down on me when you find anything off in my play.

Like what?

[iDanyboy]

The first 3 are dead townie, sheep, alisea, lalight (not necessarily in that order)

The 4th claim (2 shot roleblocker) is btd6.

I don't doubt there being a role blocker for BTD... but as town?
What did you mean by the something else? Or just assuming?

I think the something else is a reference to Ingeel's post who you replaced.

Slept peacefully, do not lynch Alisae today

Will explain l8r(or nexy opportunity) if necessary

[iDanyboy]

Oh I get you.

How much of the game have you read?

[iDanyboy]

Can we have a VC please

[iDanyboy]

Please read up soon, we have <3 days until the deadline. If your not voting, you have no reason to not be voting at this stage.

[iDanyboy]

VOTE: Syndesis
this game is confusing

Why are you voting syndesis compared to someone else?
Also please don't hammer until the deadline is closer.

[iDanyboy]

Bevause MM4 just voted without any reasoning and I would like some. I would also like the rest of the players to say who they want to lynch and what they think of the current lynch. Blank votes don't help town at this stage of the game.

[iDanyboy]

BTD-6 is voting TF who isn't getting lynched so I want his taughts on the current wagon.
Mush has a vote on you whith no explanation. I would like one and his toughts on the current wagon.
Then were left with Syndesis who hasn't had any votes all game, he doesn't think nacho is scummy is his only read.
There's Vedith who hasn't read the game and hasn't given and reads.

[iDanyboy]

that's it? you are basically at l-1 and that's it?

yeah glad with you getting lynched today

This! Are you seriously not going to role reveal.

[iDanyboy]

Then were left with Syndesis who hasn't had any votes all game, he doesn't think nacho is scummy is his only read.

If you think I don't have any reads you have not been paying any attention at all. Seriously, the hell?

I've been saying this for a while, why have you only responded now? Who are your reads then?

1-shot vig.

And so help me god I

so

wanted to shoot TwoFace on N1.

Why didn't you shoot day 1/2

[iDanyboy]

I'm happy with my vote.

[iDanyboy]

@Mod

Mush hasn't posted in 4 days!

[iDanyboy]

vig is confirmable zzzzzz

Yh, if the games over we can see his role.

[iDanyboy]

So you don't see why it's incredibly dumb to lynch a vig claim when they can confirm themselves given a night?
You don't see any drawback at all?

So tell me, who we lynching? Me, BTD?

[iDanyboy]

What do you guys think of a mass claim with 4/9 people already claimed.

[iDanyboy]

I hardclaim Town Motion Detector

N1- I saw motion around Co-operative Sheep.
N2- I saw no motion around iDanyBoy

This is why I want to lynch in the pr pool \o/

Why me N2?

[iDanyboy]

He crumbed his result on IaI being the person he blocked the night before he claimed in a pretty genuine way,

no he didn't actually. I don't even think you can say what he posted was a crumb.

Mafia can crumb too.

[iDanyboy]

I wasn't sure about you and you were (if you don't mind me saying) not active without being considered a lurker. You made sense as the killer if you were scum.

Then why CS N1?

[iDanyboy]

I wasn't sure about you and you were (if you don't mind me saying) not active without being considered a lurker. You made sense as the killer if you were scum.

Then why CS N1?

Didn't put that much thought into it. I have problems reading very logic-based players, and he also made sense as a killer.

How did he make sense as a killer? Why wouldn't you motion sense lalight who you was voting from day 1 and into day 2.

[iDanyboy]

If Mafia have their own PRs Rolecops become a problem.

How?

[iDanyboy]

Are 6 rather

weak

PRs against Mafia (with their own PRs) imbalanced? It is certainly possible to balance it.

In what world is 3 investigation roles weak?

When 2 die without revealing results

[iDanyboy]

If you want syndesis to 'holster' then there's no point keeping him alive.

[iDanyboy]

If Mafia have their own PRs Rolecops become a problem.

How?

Rolecops are able to investigate Mafia PRs and reveal this role. This will likely either result in them being confscum or in 1v1 with a townie.

What roles could they have? The only ones I cant think of are ninja and strongman which would mean we have a tracker or doc, which we don't

[iDanyboy]

If we don't lynch Syndesis I prefer mario.

[iDanyboy]

Nacho,TF and Vedith; a claim would be nice.

[iDanyboy]

given how unhelpful everyone else has been this game, is this is the one time I am unhelpful, I think it's ok.

Is that seriously your reasoning?

[iDanyboy]

i'm town
TOWN i tell you

Nourenot

[iDanyboy]

can we get this mm4 wagon goin

Proof

[iDanyboy]

Syndesis and MM4 are the only PR's claimed that are not gated.

[iDanyboy]

Syndesis is gated. My role is the reasoning for the gating.

What?

[iDanyboy]

Syndesis is gated. My role is the reasoning for the gating.

What?

1-shot vig is gated.
My role is a motion detector. It detects motion. The roles are limited, so that the MD can pick up on the kill more easily.

Mb, forgot that he claimed 1-shot
Role cop is as good as motion detector, there only good at catching out liars.

[iDanyboy]

no, not really. motion detector had a special status in that post. claiming vanilla cop from it wouldn't work because it was just a regular part of it.
People think the PRs are scummy and it is the general opinion there is 1 scum in that pool. Claiming really did just have no motivation if I was scum.

True, scum never do anything you wouldn't expect.

[iDanyboy]

VOTE: MM
One claim is not like the others.

[iDanyboy]

You have MM4 listed twice on the VC.

[iDanyboy]

cause i am pretty sure scum is in btd/syn/nacho

Nacho talks a lot of shit but he's not stupid.
It's not that team.

Why would he have to be stupid?

[iDanyboy]

I'm voting Syndesis again, I can't believe that town Syndesis hasn't argued that he could confirm himself by tomorrow, it was all nacho.
VOTE: Syndesis

[iDanyboy]

shes scum, just lynch her, how much times are we going to have this argument.

[iDanyboy]

d3 has been terrible and I don't see his d3 coming from town.

vedith's reads {btd scum, synd and mario town} look

incredibly inconvenient for scum

to have and his re-evaluation, again, is g

enuine and has little scum motivation

here. if vedith was scum i feel like he'd be pushing on synd or me, he set himself up well on both counts, but certainly not townreading us both without a lack of direction.

What D3 play?

How so?

[iDanyboy]

d3 has been terrible and I don't see his d3 coming from town.

vedith's reads {btd scum, synd and mario town} look

incredibly inconvenient for scum

to have and his re-evaluation, again, is g

enuine and has little scum motivation

here. if vedith was scum i feel like he'd be pushing on synd or me, he set himself up well on both counts, but certainly not townreading us both without a lack of direction.

What D3 play?

How so?

mislynch lalight, votepark on mm4, trying to be edgy with tunnel despite pretending to be newbish d1
incredibly inconvenient = synd and mario are two top suspected players (although synd lynch isn't happening)
genuine= the way he turns around convenient reads into inconvenient ones is genuine and lacks scum motivation

You also mislynched Lalight your the one that pushed it.I wouldn't call it a vote park if he didn't post from then on.
You were not the most suspected player and syndesis was only pushed by a few players he was not considered scum by the majority.

[iDanyboy]

Unless mush' replacement has a crazy role reveal I don't see myself moving my vote.

[iDanyboy]

1. TwoFace

Again, TwoFace just seems to continue blindly tunnelling. This has obvious scum motivation but no Town motivation

So your saying town don't tunnel people?

I have thought it over again and leaving syndesis alive is the best option. VOTE: BTD6

[iDanyboy]

Ill vote Mush if we can get enough.

Why? Is BTD town?

[iDanyboy]

Ill vote Mush if we can get enough.

Why? Is BTD town?

I'm...voting...BTD...

Then why would you prefer mush?

[iDanyboy]

Then why would you prefer mush?

I never said I prefer Mush. I said I would vote mush if there was enough votes.
Does voting Mush/Dunker worry you?

yes, i have no read on him, i have a scum read on btd.

[iDanyboy]

Then why would you prefer mush?

I never said I prefer Mush.

I said I would vote mush if there was enough votes.

Does voting Mush/Dunker worry you?

Any other reason or you just want to get votes off BTD?

[iDanyboy]

hello dunkerdoodles
dany stop trying to strongarm against players you're null on

Strongarm? ? ? How?

[iDanyboy]

Then why would you prefer mush?

I never said I prefer Mush. I said I would vote mush if there was enough votes.
Does voting Mush/Dunker worry you?

yes, i have no read on him, i have a scum read on btd.

you saying you are worried by players voting a player you are null on

And that's me strongarming him?

[iDanyboy]

Mush is unclaimed.

[iDanyboy]

VOTE: iDanyBoy
this is scum with the agenda to get BTD6 lynched

What makes you think I'm scum?

[iDanyboy]

I see no reason to let the btd wagon fall apart. Especially last minute.

Agreed

[iDanyboy]

I don't see Dunk's interactions with Vedith as clearing. Ing pushed on mush only by saying, "would be willing to wagon mush" and the same goes for Vedith.
VOTE: Syndesis
Considering this, Synd claims to be a 1-shot vig, who didn't shoot on N1 and N2, and then shot a player she wasn't scumreading, who conveniently happened to be a Weak Doctor. I don't really see any world where this will flip town here.

If Synd never shot Vedith what happened?

[iDanyboy]

Why would mafia sacrifice Vedith for Syndesis?
I also think it's time for you to claim TF and Dunkerdoodkes.

[iDanyboy]

Why would mafia sacrifice Vedith for Syndesis?

For the reaction you're having; to clear Syndesis.
What is your alternative explanation for Vedith being the n3 kill?

Vedith had no suspicious on him though, and syndesis was heavily suspected and unless you think mafia are playing 4-D chess they can't predict who will suspect him after.
So it's Guarantee 1 Mafia death for the chance that scum syndesis makes it to endgame. Doesn't seem like a good plan to me.

Syndesis shot him, scum no killed in the hope that he would shoot (town) me instead.

[iDanyboy]

Too much wifom is confusing.

[iDanyboy]

He can protect scum but he will die in the process.

[iDanyboy]

He can protect scum but he will die in the process.

source?

Mafiascum wiki

[iDanyboy]

TF why wont you claim????????

[iDanyboy]

TF why wont you claim????????

cause I am not at L-1

Everyone has claimed but you, your playing anti-town if you don't claim.

[iDanyboy]

Why would scum kill themselves (yes, kill themselves, not "risk", a certainty) to gain a possible clear?

This is what your arguing though.

[iDanyboy]

Why would scum kill themselves (yes, kill themselves, not "risk", a certainty) to gain a possible clear?

This is what your arguing though.

I meant to say "why would scum kill themselves to possibly save a scum?"

I agree, Vedith should never use his role, what are you arguing?

[iDanyboy]

TF why wont you claim????????

cause I am not at L-1

Everyone has claimed but you, your playing anti-town if you don't claim.

that is your opinion. it is however not and never will be fact.

There is no rule that says I have to claim my role ever. I never consented to massclaim. I don't care if majority decided to be stupid.

Your stupid

[iDanyboy]

If vig targetted scum, and vedith protected that scum. We would have 2 known mafia members. Weak mafia doctor is not a counter to a vig.

[iDanyboy]

I don't care if majority decided to be stupid.

[iDanyboy]

K

[iDanyboy]

vedith, obviously?? the way they were acting around my claim yesterday was yucky, and their own claim stuff was weird. plus like. for basically everyone else I could think of reasons why I should townread them.

What are those reasons?

You shot universally town read teammate, shot failed due to protection, but vedith dies due to weak activation

That's not how it works, the weak modifier means if he targets scum he dies.

Which of these two sounds more legit? To me it's not even close.

Really, All of MM pick seemed wierd and haven't helped us at all, where as Syndesis resulted in a kill on scum, I don't see the need in lynching him today. Show me a post where he suspected Nacho, he can crumb his role but there's no crumb's for his picks. His role is the only one that doesn't have a modifier on it which seems odd to me.
Guess who he voted for yesterday Dany,IaI and Mush/Dunker guess who he investigated? It's not from the list of people he voted.

VOTE: MM

[iDanyboy]

Also lynching a motion detector because their results haven't been helpful is not a good move.

Your first two investigations are from information we already knew. CS was dead and I claimed, what a coincidence.

[iDanyboy]

His first post.

VOTE: Ingeel for scumclaiming.

I'd like to point out that MM attacked me for my attack on Ingeel/Vedith very early on in the game, while my point the fact that he had no scum reads then wasn't super strong, but for that stage of the game I think it was enough to vote someone and his attack on me for that is strange. Also while the Drag vs TF stuff vs happening MM posts this.

tbh i was deathtunneling Dragnalus because i really hate being openly being lied to like that although i told myself I was just enforcing my deal or w/e

Drag is null to me; my brain says he's scum but my gut says he's town. However I am majorly pissed at him for trying to manipulate me and I am not going to unvote him until he finishes our contract. If this does not happen, I will be unable to make any deal of the sort later in the game, or if I do it will be ineffective.

Here he admits he doesn't find Drag scummy but still voting and pushing him for lying and manipulating him and 'until he finished his contract'.

oh, come on.

Ingeel makes a townreading wall here and in the third post after that here is this?

I mean, okay, you're catching up, you were vla, but you don't follow yourself here.

VOTE: Ingeel as obv!scum

the tone of this is extremely awkward by the way and isn't a genuine evaluation of anything
like, I don't see the town thought process towards reading this and calling it obv!scum at all

Again when another person is pushing Ingeel he comes to his rescue again saying that not having scum reasons is not scummy. Do you guys think this post is awkward because I don't.

@MM In this post and this one you call Ingeel and Mush town what made you think they were scum in this post.

UNVOTE:
I mean that could be Ingeel strongly townreading Alisae I guess. I still think Vedith is just scum here tho

Why?

Because you're active and if I think about it more and stop thinking you are scum then this game will be a lot less active and if you're town there is a high chance we just lose in lylo

His unvote here is extremely suspicious. Bad reason to unvote.

How did you from this

BTD6 is

probably

town from the claim; I have a theory for why BTD6 did it but I'll let them answer why.

to this

btd6 is a better lynch because their play isn't significantly townier at all and they used their shots already

I for one would vote Syndesis if she claimed blocked.

Nice one.

pointless discussion though because we get a public cop check on her n3

That worked out great.

vedith's reads {btd scum, synd and mario town} look incredibly inconvenient for scum to have and his re-evaluation, again, is genuine and has little scum motivation here. if vedith was scum i feel like he'd be pushing on synd or me, he set himself up well on both counts, but certainly not townreading us both without a lack of direction.

I guess it wasn't inconvenient for scum, again he calls Ingeels slot Vedith with weak reasoning.
MM made a lot of posts saying that Syndesis could prove his claim and now that he has he is still voting her.

VOTE: BTD6_makerNo other lynch is really viable and tbh I'm fine with this.

This is the second time he lynched town and used the defense that it was because he wanted a lynch. His only push was on Lalight who turned out to be town.

[iDanyboy]

MM scum confirmed.

[iDanyboy]

dany attacking mario feels like a weird thing

Why?

[iDanyboy]

well we will lynch syndesis if you flip town

Why does mario being town mean Synd scum?

[iDanyboy]

So Synd is scum eitherway?
Within the same post you say 6 PR is too many and then say it's possible.

[iDanyboy]

Those are my thoughts as well.

Why do you think Synd is scum now?

[iDanyboy]

Scum in PRs.

Not good enough for lylo+ you wanted to vote Dunker yesterday over Syn/Nacho so I don't know why you have this thought now and not yesterday.

[iDanyboy]

I said that I had three townreads yesterday and thought the path to winning lied in lynching outside of those three townreads.

But really my inclination is to lynch Dunkernoodles now and see how I feel about Mario/Syndesis from there.

Vote: Dunkernoodles

No you said you prefered to lynch Dunker. Now that Marios lynched how do you feel about Synd/Dunker?

The NoKill, although it grants us an extra mislynch, adds an extra layer of WIFOM that ends up bringing Syndesis out of the firing range.

And instead of just having to mislynch you, Dunker/Syn now has to mislynch you and me.

That is beyond dumb - that is absolutely nonsensical. This is the gambit equivalent of no lynching on day 1 to "throw scum off". You can craft a theory that makes slightly more sense than whatever alternative but considering your theory still requires a scumteam that very sincerely and completely fucked up, I'm of the school of thought that we thank them for the nice mislynch and move on. I don't understand how anyone can even pretend to climb into the minds of this scumteam.

Think of the scenario you're suggesting; Vedith commits sudoku, Mafia kill a player- that's incredibly obvious, isn't it?

Like any theory that requires a scumteam killing one of their own at night to be "incredibly obvious" already has a bit of a bad premise. Vedith was in a better position that Syndesis was yesterday. Vedith was willing to put in more work than Syndesis was. Vedith sacrificing himself for her would be weird.

Why are these posts wrong now?

[iDanyboy]

Lynch on Drag

I Am Innocent (2): Syndesis,

BTD6_maker

Alisae

(2):

Ingeel/vedith

, I Am Innocent

Ingeel

(1):

Cooperative Sheep

Dragnalus

(7):

TwoFace

, iDanyboy, Mulch(Nacho),

LaLight

,

MarioManiac4

, mush/Dunker,

Alisae

Not Voting (1):

Dragnalus

Lynch on Lalight

LaLight

(6):

MarioManiac4

, mush/Dunker,

TwoFace

, I Am Innocent, iDanyboy,

Alisae

mush (1):

LaLight

Not Voting (4): Nachomamma8,

Ingeel/Vedith

,

BTD6_maker

, Syndesis

Lynch on BTD6

Vedith

(1): Nachomamma8
iDanyboy (1): Syndesis

BTD6_maker

(5):

TwoFace

, iDanyboy,

Vedith

, Dunkerdoodles,

MarioManiac4

Syndesis (2):

BTD6_maker

, I Am Innocent

Lynch on MM4

Dunkernoodles (1): Nachomamma8

MarioManiac4

(4):

TwoFace

, iDanyboy, Syndesis, Dunkernoodles
Syndesis (2):

MarioManiac4

, I Am Innocent

[iDanyboy]

But really my inclination is to lynch Dunkernoodles now and see how I feel about Mario/Syndesis from there. Can't see myself voting IaI, TF, or Dany this game unless a bomb gets dropped.

Vote: Dunkernoodles

This is my full post.
This view hasn't changed.

So you learnt nothing from Mario's flip? What did you expect to learn from Dunkers flip?

[iDanyboy]

Not hammering yet. Will probably hammer soon.

What are you waiting for?

[iDanyboy]

VOTE: Syndesis

[iDanyboy]

No worries man, I was going to do the same :/ . Good game.

[iDanyboy]

Any feedback?