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okay i'm gonna see the vc and proceed. this thread has been stalled, i don't like it.
VOTE: mumble
if that was genuine town, good work, not many would overcome their extreme disdain and correctly townread a slot there. i really hate to be lynching that. i just can't convince myself it's genuine. i've thought about this for the past two days a lot, and i really do like to try and reward good town play, but eh, i just don't see it. your progression and attitude just don't work for me here, and if i'm wrong i owe you one.-
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lily i'm actually pretty certain mumble's town are you ok to do random/fykus? i honestly townread mumble more than luv/una/boon at this point, i am never gonna vote them. i know this sounds wishy washy and trash but rereading their play trying to explain the scum motive i realized they're extremely townie-
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here's the thing. boon voted me for dumbass reasons, and he got angry at me for what to me was nothing. but as i'm rereading, if the anger can be justified which is the tricky part but i believe it can, then its fairly transparent town. voting someone who's angering you greatly and pushing you, omgus, etc etc, fair. but then he unvotes, while i'm still hard pushing him, and starts to pursue other avenues, and finally arrives at a reasonable conclusion and pushes said conclusion even while being pushed by me. i mean, you could argue he didn't want to get into a losing 1v1 with me, but honestly, i'm a tone reader and i had issues with reading him tonally due to his weird typing (likely esl, i have the same issues with realeo but creature is an easy meta so i don't need to use tone), but i was thinking about what lily said when subbing in and it makes sense in that there's no real scum motive to how mumble acts. getting extremely angry, being belligerent, those are personality things, and i think i mistook them for scum. tunnelling screen is questionable, but random did the exact same thing, so meh. i am explaining this bad but in typing this i've convinced myself mumble is town so if i die please don't vote him tomorrow.-
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if random's town:
FoS: Una + Fykus
Una baselessly townreads fykus in our hood, considers them lock town, and was encouraging 1 and only 1 scum in random + mumble. Idk. Seems off. this isn't something i'm entertaining for today, more in case i die 'cause i'm fairily sure scum's gonna shoot in {me, the ic} and considering there's rather obviously a doc shot left unused its wifom for them. this is my game solve guess without rereading in a world where random flips town, though i haven't dual iso'd or anything like that, no time to do it pre-likely-scum-flip. It will definitely be what I explore first if tomorrow's lylo and i'm alive though. Fykus is just being useless, though i do still have very mild gut town vibes from them hence why i'd rather do random today. since subbing in random has tunnelled screen and pushed mumble. fine. cool. knowing mumble and screen are both town though, its pretty trash, and more importantly tess was a scummy scumfuck. this slot living to lylo is really bad if they're town and i think they're 70/30 scum.
I think part of the reasons I'm having so many issues this game is that at least 1 scum is in una/boon/luv and had me pocketed and it kept fucking up my reads. i'm going to reread all of them. luv and boon are pretty town on meta but nothing strong (and luv FAKING AN INNO ON ME IS WEIRD AS SHIT WTF) and play for the latter and una is town by predecessor and tone. but, something isn't making sense. mumble absolutely is not scum and i am never voting them. i'm going to try and grill the fuck out of una in the hood tonight to get his alignment solider than it is now. luv, you can fucking gamesolve, do it. boon, you can fucking gamesolve, do it.
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In post 2161, Boonskiies wrote:I voted you for bad reasons? I'm assuming that post was about Mumble or Rando and not me.
my bad, ebwopIn post 2159, skirt skirt wrote:here's the thing.voted me for dumbass reasons, and he got angry at me for what to me was nothing. but as i'm rereading, if the anger can be justified which is the tricky part but i believe it can, then its fairly transparent town. voting someone who's angering you greatly and pushing you, omgus, etc etc, fair. but then he unvotes, while i'm still hard pushing him, and starts to pursue other avenues, and finally arrives at a reasonable conclusion and pushes said conclusion even while being pushed by me. i mean, you could argue he didn't want to get into a losing 1v1 with me, but honestly, i'm a tone reader and i had issues with reading him tonally due to his weird typing (likely esl, i have the same issues with realeo but creature is an easy meta so i don't need to use tone), but i was thinking about what lily said when subbing in and it makes sense in that there's no real scum motive to how mumble acts. getting extremely angry, being belligerent, those are personality things, and i think i mistook them for scum. tunnelling screen is questionable, but random did the exact same thing, so meh. i am explaining this bad but in typing this i've convinced myself mumble is town so if i die please don't vote him tomorrow.mumble-
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if the player didn't bring it up that means the player is probably maf who no killed to inno themselves and decided not to. by now, claiming it would've given us two innos and shrunken the poe pool a ton, and we all reinforced they should claim. we even mass claimed. basically, i think mafia no killed, either because they have the doc and want to save that wifom (you're welcome for killing it now ), or because they were confident enough they'd be docced and wanted to inno themselves. thats a lot of why i'm reconsidering you and luv as potential scum in particular; myself and una had the "1 scum in neighbours" bs, but you and luv were universally townread and both viable docs. you know me well enough to know i love nka, and this is my theory atm. not sure which it is.In post 2165, Boonskiies wrote:In post 2162, skirt skirt wrote:considering there's rather obviously a doc shot left unused its wifom for them.
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u only pocketed me cause alt i even pointed out that game how you reminded me of my old scum game smh -_-In post 2166, Boonskiies wrote:
Man, if I was scum and pocketed you again immediately after that just happened in another game, that would be hilarious.In post 2162, skirt skirt wrote:I think part of the reasons I'm having so many issues this game is that at least 1 scum is in una/boon/luv and had me pocketed and it kept fucking up my reads.-
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He absolutely could have. Except, una was the one hard pushing for a doc claim. Plus, iirc he had fykus as lock town well before this. He was discussing hypothetical possible scumteams, and he just basically said "idk. just think fykus is town". i can empathize with a gut read, but that's not a doc inno.In post 2169, Boonskiies wrote:
I don't see why one would assume this, to be honest. We essentially did have a town block, so easily the doc shot could have been somewhere in there, thus having no reason to out that today instead of a later day. You stated that Una basically has Fykus as lock town, so this doesn't add up to me. Why couldn't Una just have been softing he doc'd Fykus? This was prior to Carca revealing themselves as IC as well.In post 2167, skirt skirt wrote:
if the player didn't bring it up that means the player is probably maf who no killed to inno themselves and decided not to. by now, claiming it would've given us two innos and shrunken the poe pool a ton, and we all reinforced they should claim. we even mass claimed. basically, i think mafia no killed, either because they have the doc and want to save that wifom (you're welcome for killing it now ), or because they were confident enough they'd be docced and wanted to inno themselves. thats a lot of why i'm reconsidering you and luv as potential scum in particular; myself and una had the "1 scum in neighbours" bs, but you and luv were universally townread and both viable docs. you know me well enough to know i love nka, and this is my theory atm. not sure which it is.In post 2165, Boonskiies wrote:In post 2162, skirt skirt wrote:considering there's rather obviously a doc shot left unused its wifom for them.
This is a little strange. Why are you assuming this? I was under the impression that a doc shot was used last night based on no explanation for a no kill happening, and the player just isn't bringing it up.-
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In post 1900, UnaBombaH wrote: And another important part in my mind:I did not get a doc-shot from the professor, and didn't use one last night.
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yea if you have a doc shot you don't claim it, no fucking shit. its if you used it last night you should've and should claim it.In post 2174, Boonskiies wrote:It seems like you are implying that someone has a doc shot, held onto it, and mafia no killed. That is not a bad situation to be in, to be honest. That means whoever has a doc shot, shouldn't claim it right now, because then they become the automatic night kill for the night. If this is in fact true, you would immediately become my top suspect. I guess, LUV would move up as well, I don't remember his scum game, if I've ever seen it, but yeah.-
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i hard denied being doc and i highly doubt any of you expected me to be, that's different. this isn't him being a doc, this is a vt having a doc shot that was in this world used successfully.In post 2175, Boonskiies wrote:
I know. Honestly, that doesn't necessarily confirm it. I've gambit'd like that before.In post 2173, skirt skirt wrote:In post 1900, UnaBombaH wrote: And another important part in my mind:I did not get a doc-shot from the professor, and didn't use one last night.
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okay.In post 2186, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I didn't fake any inno. I said you were reading too much into shit Eddie.
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do you think it was fair i was convinced he had an inno on me?In post 2198, UnaBombaH wrote:
I meant that BEFORE LUV claimed VT, scum!Eddie could say he was inno'd.In post 2192, Boonskiies wrote:@Una - Why would Eddie playing as if he was inno'd the entire game, and then becoming more suspicious of Luv make it so you can scum read him? I just don't really see the mafia intent of stating he thought he was 'inno'd'
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excuse me? not being on the wagon =/= not bussed. viewtopic.php?p=9571562#p9571562, random was clearly scumreading skitter just like.. oh.. virtually every player in the game. nobody tried to defend her, including her.In post 2207, Boonskiies wrote:
It matters to an extent. They could have easily played it off like they expected people to assume Mafia was going to bus, which is why it makes perfect sense for scum to be off the wagon, and have that as a defense. There's definitely one on the wagon, at least.In post 2206, skirt skirt wrote:skitter doesn't matter for vca, scum obviously bussed, she didn't even try to defend herself
Yeah, I want to just lynch Rando today.
Also, this "scum obviously bussed" mindset by you contradicts Rando being off that wagon yet you are pushing him. If Rando ends up being town, I think this is potentially a slip, but it's one to look at in post-game, as it's just a WIFOM case until then.-
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if you would rather fykus I'll sheep. not voting mumble.In post 2230, Carcalilly wrote:I see no reason as to why we should lynch rm.-
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luv or you is most likely who i'm voting today, off chance of una/boon. i moderately don't think mumble is scum, and if he's scum he will be the second scum i lynch. (this means i'm not 100000% ruling him out as scum but i am 10000% not voting him today unless something extreme happens ie guilty child or legitimate slip found by someone (haha @ those who understand what im referring to)). i will admit, random being town makes him look a lot worse to me, i t would be very very strange if two town deathtunnelled screen and ignored the rest of the game (more commonly one is buddying the other in the form of copycat), so he's not conftown to me anymore, but i think earlier i was just scumreading him as a player and honestly he seems pretty town to me as a whole, along with boon's meta read. more content later, i haven't actually reread anything yet i'll try and do that thursday-
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fykus, you posted this. what was the purpose?In post 2204, Fykus wrote:A LYNCH HAS BEEN ACHIEVED!Mulch has been lynched by Boonskiies - 491, Eddie Cane - 519, TesXX - 623, Keyen - 641,Vedith- 894,Skitter30- 1036, and Lil Uzi Vert - 1047
Mulch-> 7 (Boonskiies - , Eddie Cane - , TesXX - , Keyen -,Vedith- ,Skitter30- Lil Uzi Vert -HAMMER
Skitter30-> 2 (Scarab - andFirecrocer- )
Eddie Cane -> 2 (RadiantCowbells- , andFykus- )
TesXX -> 1 (Srceenplay- )
Boonskiies -> 1 -> (Mulch- )
Not Voting: Nobody!
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Randomidget -> 3 (Firecrocer- andSrceenplay- )
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Vedith -> 0
Lil Uzi Vert -> 0
Eddie Cane -> 0
Boonskiies -> 0
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In post 2165, Boonskiies wrote:In post 2162, skirt skirt wrote:considering there's rather obviously a doc shot left unused its wifom for them.
This is a little strange. Why are you assuming this? I was under the impression that a doc shot was used last night based on no explanation for a no kill happening, and the player just isn't bringing it up.
my reasons weren't lies, persay, but it was more just some mulling over nka that i wasn't at all confident in. i mainly said that to help avoid myself + lily being killed as best as possible. i really wanted scum to think myself or lily was geting protected and shoot outside of it, but ://////. them shooting lily VERY likely means they had the doc shot the whole time, because i don't think any player in this game kills lily there as scum with an unclaimed protection, and the no kill was probably scum with the doc planning to use it and then deciding not to for any reasonIn post 2167, skirt skirt wrote:
if the player didn't bring it up that means the player is probably maf who no killed to inno themselves and decided not to. by now, claiming it would've given us two innos and shrunken the poe pool a ton, and we all reinforced they should claim. we even mass claimed. basically, i think mafia no killed, either because they have the doc and want to save that wifom (you're welcome for killing it now ), or because they were confident enough they'd be docced and wanted to inno themselves. thats a lot of why i'm reconsidering you and luv as potential scum in particular; myself and una had the "1 scum in neighbours" bs, but you and luv were universally townread and both viable docs. you know me well enough to know i love nka, and this is my theory atm. not sure which it is.In post 2165, Boonskiies wrote:In post 2162, skirt skirt wrote:considering there's rather obviously a doc shot left unused its wifom for them.
This is a little strange. Why are you assuming this? I was under the impression that a doc shot was used last night based on no explanation for a no kill happening, and the player just isn't bringing it up.
if your next post does not say "i docced x on night 3" i'm going to deathtunnel you if you are about to be lynched and claim it.
in all honesty, i'll probably still fos you for it and talk to you about it, but it is absolutely the pro town thing to claim it if you did in fact doc someone n3. it is vital info that could help break the game open, even if you're worried about getting lynched over claiming it.-
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The main reason I think I'm voting in you and fykus is, and this is without rereading so subject to change, is I think almost every reasonable scum team has at least one of you. I'm going to do a thing where I slot every possible combo once the mod puts up a vc, and then I'll try and poe that. That's usually the most effective way I deal with 2-scum lylo in a mini - I would recommend you guys try it if you're town, it can help YOUR sorting a ton and once YOU'VE sorted then you get the fun of convincing us! Just a way I like to do it.In post 2291, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:It’s Fykus and Una.-
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for reference, the list of all pairings is below. I added myself because I would ideally hope you guys humor me and try this, and botch it if doesn't work for you. And please, don't cross people out for stupid things like "oh they voted skitter conf town xD", do it if its a pairing you find extremely unlikely/impossible for whatever reason (and its even better to give that reason for others to see and agree or argue)
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i'll dual-iso you and skitter when i have time, remind me if i don't in a few days. i'm super busy this week, i'll definitely have time to phone post and stuff but rereading takes time and i'm home and awake probably an hour max every day this week until sunday so i may not have time until sundayIn post 2294, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I don’t make sense with Skitter at all.-
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tiny = removed, i leave for referenceIn post 2299, skirt skirt wrote:boon + mumble
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In post 2301, skirt skirt wrote:
i can see my role pmIn post 2299, skirt skirt wrote:boon + mumble
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boon + una
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In post 2302, skirt skirt wrote:In post 2301, skirt skirt wrote:
i can see my role pmIn post 2299, skirt skirt wrote:boon + mumble
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this isn't to a partnerIn post 2189, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
I don't disagree but I don't agree either. I've liked most of what I've seen from Mumble recently but I'm not ready to write him off as town yet. The only people I have as strong town is you and Boon.In post 2187, skirt skirt wrote:
okay.In post 2186, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I didn't fake any inno. I said you were reading too much into shit Eddie.
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In post 2303, skirt skirt wrote:In post 2302, skirt skirt wrote:In post 2301, skirt skirt wrote:
i can see my role pmIn post 2299, skirt skirt wrote:boon + mumble
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