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Do you plan on saying stupid things on a regular basis? Because that post makes it sound like maybe you do.In post 23, LicketyQuickety wrote:
Stupidity, mostly. Sometimes it works in my favor tho. Like when I say stuff like that it can end RVS in a heartbeat. But sometimes it gets me lynched too, so that's why I think its more stupid.In post 22, Errantparabola wrote:i know this is sooo overdone but i'll ask the question: why'd you point it out, LQ?-
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This is a good point.In post 43, Thestatusquo wrote:
worth noting if boonskiies flips scum.In post 40, LicketyQuickety wrote:The question, at this point, should be whether Lalendra was truthful in their claim or whether they are Scum. I think this because I think its improbable that Lalendra was doing a reaction test when that was already brought up. Its the fact that her reaction test would be so ineffective that I don't think its likely she takes that course of action. I mean, they already claimed it so there is no sense in hiding it really.
I will say its prolly very unlikely that all of Uzi, EP and Lalendra are all Scum covering for Lalendra. That would group themselves too close together as having the same opinion which I don't think is either an effective strategy as Scum, nor a probable one.
why are we wasting several paragraphs pontificating on what is obviously a newbie play while ignoring the fact that boonskiies, who is not a newbie, already did it earlier.-
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Have you played with him before? As in are you familiar with his Meta?In post 44, acidphoenix wrote:lq is probably town
if he's not i'll probably know soon enough
VOTE: tchill13
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I really hope you can help it. Because Tacos is in this game also and he usually handles that.In post 34, LicketyQuickety wrote:
I am going to try not to if I can help it.In post 31, Havo wrote:
Do you plan on saying stupid things on a regular basis? Because that post makes it sound like maybe you do.In post 23, LicketyQuickety wrote:
Stupidity, mostly. Sometimes it works in my favor tho. Like when I say stuff like that it can end RVS in a heartbeat. But sometimes it gets me lynched too, so that's why I think its more stupid.In post 22, Errantparabola wrote:i know this is sooo overdone but i'll ask the question: why'd you point it out, LQ?
God knows we don't need 2 Tacos. Lol.-
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This is Mumbles playing his typical scum game.In post 111, Mumble wrote:Hi.-
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My biggest pet peeve is when townies post things that create confusion, this is about my 6th or 7th game on this site, after about a 4 year layoff so I'm getting back into the swing of things and I'm finding that a lot of townies on this site do "Stupid" things, especially on Day 1 and the rest of town just seems to accept it or blow it off. So I guess maybe that post was a little bit of, "Not this again", lol.In post 69, Errantparabola wrote:
2) Havo's 31 is unnecessarily chip-on-shoulder. Unfortunately I couldn't find any scum games from him, so there's really nothing to look into there (and perhaps there wouldn't be anything to look into even if there were scum games to read). But early Havo ISOs in other games have him being pretty personable. Thoughts, Havo?
But my Day 1 play is almost always very laid back, I don't usually scum hunt very hard or very well on Day 1 and a lot of times it gets my FOS'd hard and even lynched. I don't put a lot of faith in my own Day 1 reads and usually don't in others either, unless it's someone I know is very good at it.
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So here's what I got so far -
Egg - Town Lean, only 3 posts but I like the content.
EP - Leaning Town, I get a good feel from his posts, I agree with most of his statements to this point, Would not want to lynch him today.
SergTacos - Null, he's only posted a handful of times, I've played with him a few times and I have a hard time reading him because he's usually very scattered and all over the place.
Schadd - Null, he's not posted much at all, just not enough content to get anything there. Need more from him.
Boonskies - Null, 2 posts, I got my vote there but he's announced he's V/LA til Friday, so that's a waste. I don't like his claim so early at all.
Lil Uzi - Null, I like that he's trying to generate conversation, but not crazy about his reason for vote on Tchill but not gonna argue it.
Tchill - Null, I've played with him a few times and his Day 1 style is very similar to mine, so I tend to give him slack. He isn't hard scum hunting but neither am I so I like to take a wait and see approach with him, because I feel like I can usually read him fairly well. He's usually active and good player.
Lalendra - Null, just not enough content at this point.
Acid - Null, Not crazy about his tone, he needs more content down.
Mumbles - Null, I mean he has one post.
StatusQuo - Slight lean scum, mainly a gut feeling, not crazy about how he seemed to be serious about Boons first post,
He's posted a fair amount and seems to be an experienced and good player.
LQ - Slight scum, I think they're trying too hard too early, could be just their play style and I'm willing to wait and see. I do like that he's aggressive and posting a good amount, the more content he puts down the better IMO.-
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When I get some time I'll see what I can do.In post 155, LicketyQuickety wrote:
Can you point to me where you have said this before?In post 154, Havo wrote:
My biggest pet peeve is when townies post things that create confusionIn post 69, Errantparabola wrote:
2) Havo's 31 is unnecessarily chip-on-shoulder. Unfortunately I couldn't find any scum games from him, so there's really nothing to look into there (and perhaps there wouldn't be anything to look into even if there were scum games to read). But early Havo ISOs in other games have him being pretty personable. Thoughts, Havo?-
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Yep, that's about sums it up 7 pages in.In post 166, acidphoenix wrote:also lolscumreadingquickforaggressiveness i believe applies here-
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I would be up for a Quick lynch.In post 337, Thestatusquo wrote:Though, to be fair, the first half of it is mostly good. I don't want to lynch any of [EP, Schadd, Lalendra, Luv, egg]
Would be happy to swing quick, though. And only two of those are town reads.
bottom list would be happy to see any of them go besides tchill as I have a strong town VI read on them.
Or Mumbles or Tacos or maybe even Boon.-
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Slight town on Tacos? I don't get that.In post 306, LicketyQuickety wrote:Reads:
Uzi: Prolly Town here. What he says seems to come from Town mindset.
Boon: Who fucking knows. This is prolly my nullest read because of lack of content.
Chill: I can see some Town Mindset, but also some convenient stances (Don't expect people to understand the latter)
Lalendra: I am kinda on the fence about this one. Like most things they say make sense, but I just get a really bad vibe from them that I can't really explain.
Acid: I would be willing to give Acid another look. Will ISO them sometime today.
Toco: Slight Town based on Tone and stances
Shadd: Kinda same as Tocos. Like their tone is not bad at all, can't tell if its faked, but doesn't seem to be
tsq: Mostly null still. I mean I get their perspective and strategy, I just don't know if it comes from Town or Scum
Mumble: They made one post that I really thought sucked, will point that out after this post
Egg: Kinda same as tsq. I feel like both these guys are a little inflexible in their interpretation of things
Havo: Where have he been lately? At this point I see a bit more Scum then Town due to kinda POE, but that is pretty weak admittedly
EP: I like EP as Town. They are putting in effort and what they say makes perfect sense coming from Town-
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I think they're both town at this point.In post 316, LicketyQuickety wrote:
here is the way I see it: If Lalendra is Scum then Uzi has a better chance to be Scum for defending her, but it looks like Laledra might be Town here, which just makes Uzi's defense seem kinda accurate. That is what I am looking at anyways.In post 314, Errantparabola wrote:Does anyone with good LUV experience/Shea have a reads justification on him
Bunch of people randomly saying he's town or he's scum without anything discrete i feel-
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I'm having a hard problem getting past you calling out Boons reaction test tbh. Couple that with your style and I guess that gets me to my not so fuzzy feel for you. I'm willing to give it time tho, but wouldn't be opposed to a wagon on you right now.In post 359, LicketyQuickety wrote:
K well like, I get you don't like my playstyle, but that's not really a reason to Scum read me. If this isn't your actual reason, you should prolly state one at some point.In post 350, Havo wrote:
I would be up for a Quick lynch.In post 337, Thestatusquo wrote:Though, to be fair, the first half of it is mostly good. I don't want to lynch any of [EP, Schadd, Lalendra, Luv, egg]
Would be happy to swing quick, though. And only two of those are town reads.
bottom list would be happy to see any of them go besides tchill as I have a strong town VI read on them.
Or Mumbles or Tacos or maybe even Boon.-
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Most Day 1 lynches happen for shit reasons.In post 370, LicketyQuickety wrote:
There already is a wagon on me and those are shit reasons to want to lynch someone.In post 368, Havo wrote:
I'm having a hard problem getting past you calling out Boons reaction test tbh. Couple that with your style and I guess that gets me to my not so fuzzy feel for you. I'm willing to give it time tho, but wouldn't be opposed to a wagon on you right now.In post 359, LicketyQuickety wrote:
K well like, I get you don't like my playstyle, but that's not really a reason to Scum read me. If this isn't your actual reason, you should prolly state one at some point.In post 350, Havo wrote:
I would be up for a Quick lynch.In post 337, Thestatusquo wrote:Though, to be fair, the first half of it is mostly good. I don't want to lynch any of [EP, Schadd, Lalendra, Luv, egg]
Would be happy to swing quick, though. And only two of those are town reads.
bottom list would be happy to see any of them go besides tchill as I have a strong town VI read on them.
Or Mumbles or Tacos or maybe even Boon.-
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Actually I'm just not a good player, tonally inept is probably true also.In post 362, LicketyQuickety wrote:
That is because you are tonally inept or are Scum.In post 356, Havo wrote:
Slight town on Tacos? I don't get that.In post 306, LicketyQuickety wrote:Reads:
Uzi: Prolly Town here. What he says seems to come from Town mindset.
Boon: Who fucking knows. This is prolly my nullest read because of lack of content.
Chill: I can see some Town Mindset, but also some convenient stances (Don't expect people to understand the latter)
Lalendra: I am kinda on the fence about this one. Like most things they say make sense, but I just get a really bad vibe from them that I can't really explain.
Acid: I would be willing to give Acid another look. Will ISO them sometime today.
Toco: Slight Town based on Tone and stances
Shadd: Kinda same as Tocos. Like their tone is not bad at all, can't tell if its faked, but doesn't seem to be
tsq: Mostly null still. I mean I get their perspective and strategy, I just don't know if it comes from Town or Scum
Mumble: They made one post that I really thought sucked, will point that out after this post
Egg: Kinda same as tsq. I feel like both these guys are a little inflexible in their interpretation of things
Havo: Where have he been lately? At this point I see a bit more Scum then Town due to kinda POE, but that is pretty weak admittedly
EP: I like EP as Town. They are putting in effort and what they say makes perfect sense coming from Town-
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Sorry, not familiar with the term "VI", could someone explain that please?In post 337, Thestatusquo wrote:Though, to be fair, the first half of it is mostly good. I don't want to lynch any of [EP, Schadd, Lalendra, Luv, egg]
Would be happy to swing quick, though. And only two of those are town reads.
bottom list would be happy to see any of them go besides tchill as I have a strong town VI read on them.-
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I find it interesting that you voted TSQ, then TSQ joined the thread and instead of pushing on him, you asked him who he'd like to vote. Then you start pushing on Mumbles.In post 319, acidphoenix wrote:i don't want to lynch any of:
errant, quick, schadd, lalendra, luv, egg
at the moment
i don't really want to lynch mumble but i'd be happy with him
tchill / boon / serg / havo / tsq are the other people in the game
VOTE: tsq
Was the vote on TSQ just for show?-
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WHERE is my VOTE at?In post 378, LicketyQuickety wrote:
This is one of the worst reasons you could have given to justify a vote on me.In post 371, Havo wrote:
Most Day 1 lynches happen for shit reasons.In post 370, LicketyQuickety wrote:
There already is a wagon on me and those are shit reasons to want to lynch someone.In post 368, Havo wrote:
I'm having a hard problem getting past you calling out Boons reaction test tbh. Couple that with your style and I guess that gets me to my not so fuzzy feel for you. I'm willing to give it time tho, but wouldn't be opposed to a wagon on you right now.In post 359, LicketyQuickety wrote:
K well like, I get you don't like my playstyle, but that's not really a reason to Scum read me. If this isn't your actual reason, you should prolly state one at some point.In post 350, Havo wrote:
I would be up for a Quick lynch.In post 337, Thestatusquo wrote:Though, to be fair, the first half of it is mostly good. I don't want to lynch any of [EP, Schadd, Lalendra, Luv, egg]
Would be happy to swing quick, though. And only two of those are town reads.
bottom list would be happy to see any of them go besides tchill as I have a strong town VI read on them.
Or Mumbles or Tacos or maybe even Boon.
I put words in your mouth, I misrepped you on purpose to see what you would do and you failed. This is the sign of a guilty conscience.
You said you wouldn't mind a wagon on me, not that you would lynch me. This is self evident even if you didn't explicitly state that you would be willing to wagon me specifically by the fact that you said you would be willing to hold off on me and give it time. You failed the reaction test and now I have to vote you.
P-edit: OK was going to vote you but you gave a couple ok follow ups, so I am not going to. But it does make the statement you said at the beginning that you don't like it when people make confusing posts a load of crock. Plus you never linked where you had said that before and never even gave a response so I might vote you anyways and you might still be Scum.-
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And if I produce a post or two where I said that what's it gonna do for you?In post 378, LicketyQuickety wrote:
This is one of the worst reasons you could have given to justify a vote on me.In post 371, Havo wrote:
Most Day 1 lynches happen for shit reasons.In post 370, LicketyQuickety wrote:
There already is a wagon on me and those are shit reasons to want to lynch someone.In post 368, Havo wrote:
I'm having a hard problem getting past you calling out Boons reaction test tbh. Couple that with your style and I guess that gets me to my not so fuzzy feel for you. I'm willing to give it time tho, but wouldn't be opposed to a wagon on you right now.In post 359, LicketyQuickety wrote:
K well like, I get you don't like my playstyle, but that's not really a reason to Scum read me. If this isn't your actual reason, you should prolly state one at some point.In post 350, Havo wrote:
I would be up for a Quick lynch.In post 337, Thestatusquo wrote:Though, to be fair, the first half of it is mostly good. I don't want to lynch any of [EP, Schadd, Lalendra, Luv, egg]
Would be happy to swing quick, though. And only two of those are town reads.
bottom list would be happy to see any of them go besides tchill as I have a strong town VI read on them.
Or Mumbles or Tacos or maybe even Boon.
I put words in your mouth, I misrepped you on purpose to see what you would do and you failed. This is the sign of a guilty conscience.
You said you wouldn't mind a wagon on me, not that you would lynch me. This is self evident even if you didn't explicitly state that you would be willing to wagon me specifically by the fact that you said you would be willing to hold off on me and give it time. You failed the reaction test and now I have to vote you.
P-edit: OK was going to vote you but you gave a couple ok follow ups, so I am not going to. But it does make the statement you said at the beginning that you don't like it when people make confusing posts a load of crock. Plus you never linked where you had said that before and never even gave a response so I might vote you anyways and you might still be Scum.-
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In post 377, acidphoenix wrote:havo wanna join in the spew your alignment game
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I'm town.In post 350, Havo wrote:
I would be up for a Quick lynch.In post 337, Thestatusquo wrote:Though, to be fair, the first half of it is mostly good. I don't want to lynch any of [EP, Schadd, Lalendra, Luv, egg]
Would be happy to swing quick, though. And only two of those are town reads.
bottom list would be happy to see any of them go besides tchill as I have a strong town VI read on them.
Or Mumbles or Tacos or maybe even Boon.-
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LMAO, nice try. I have a scum read on you already, I posted it. IF I wanted to vote you I damn sure vote you.In post 384, LicketyQuickety wrote:
Another fail given that your vote is on tsq whom you were talking with to debate whether to vote myself. And now you have zero reason to vote me because by your logic, because I am making good points against you this means I am not as stupid or as confusing as you first thought. Instead of defending yourself or attacking my logic, you instead deflect the issue to something else.In post 380, Havo wrote:
WHERE is my VOTE at?In post 378, LicketyQuickety wrote:
This is one of the worst reasons you could have given to justify a vote on me.In post 371, Havo wrote:
Most Day 1 lynches happen for shit reasons.In post 370, LicketyQuickety wrote:
There already is a wagon on me and those are shit reasons to want to lynch someone.In post 368, Havo wrote:
I'm having a hard problem getting past you calling out Boons reaction test tbh. Couple that with your style and I guess that gets me to my not so fuzzy feel for you. I'm willing to give it time tho, but wouldn't be opposed to a wagon on you right now.In post 359, LicketyQuickety wrote:
K well like, I get you don't like my playstyle, but that's not really a reason to Scum read me. If this isn't your actual reason, you should prolly state one at some point.In post 350, Havo wrote:
I would be up for a Quick lynch.In post 337, Thestatusquo wrote:Though, to be fair, the first half of it is mostly good. I don't want to lynch any of [EP, Schadd, Lalendra, Luv, egg]
Would be happy to swing quick, though. And only two of those are town reads.
bottom list would be happy to see any of them go besides tchill as I have a strong town VI read on them.
Or Mumbles or Tacos or maybe even Boon.
I put words in your mouth, I misrepped you on purpose to see what you would do and you failed. This is the sign of a guilty conscience.
You said you wouldn't mind a wagon on me, not that you would lynch me. This is self evident even if you didn't explicitly state that you would be willing to wagon me specifically by the fact that you said you would be willing to hold off on me and give it time. You failed the reaction test and now I have to vote you.
P-edit: OK was going to vote you but you gave a couple ok follow ups, so I am not going to. But it does make the statement you said at the beginning that you don't like it when people make confusing posts a load of crock. Plus you never linked where you had said that before and never even gave a response so I might vote you anyways and you might still be Scum.
This is enough for a vote. Plus I would have expected Mumble to give in and start providing reads if he was Scum (he could still be Scum because he disappeared fwiw)
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What part don't you understand?In post 386, LicketyQuickety wrote:
Now you are providing random quotes to show you are Town.In post 385, Havo wrote:In post 377, acidphoenix wrote:havo wanna join in the spew your alignment game
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I'm town.In post 350, Havo wrote:
I would be up for a Quick lynch.In post 337, Thestatusquo wrote:Though, to be fair, the first half of it is mostly good. I don't want to lynch any of [EP, Schadd, Lalendra, Luv, egg]
Would be happy to swing quick, though. And only two of those are town reads.
bottom list would be happy to see any of them go besides tchill as I have a strong town VI read on them.
Or Mumbles or Tacos or maybe even Boon.-
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[quote="In [url=viewtopic.php?p=9662405#p9662405]
this is not even about whether you have a Scum read on me already considering you are invalidating your prior statements all over the place. Plus, the "nice try" that doesn't sound like someone who has nothing to hide. Plus its a form of deflection. Plus this invalidates that you said people get lynched for shit reasons all the time which means you have zero reason not to vote me right now unless I was right earlier when I said you invalidated yourself when you said you didn't like confusing players. You haven't indicated that I am a confusing player at this point in time and you have not stated a reason to Scum read me.
There you are folks, I have offered you Scum on a silver platter.[/quote]
When I posted my reads list I had 2 scum leans, you and TSQ.
I posted why I found you scummy, but my vote was still on TSQ because I was willing to give you some time since your play style was a bit sketchy.
I said I'd be ok with a wagon on you, then you went APESHIT!! At the mere mention of a WAgon on you.
Dude if this is how you're gonna play then Hell yeah, I'd be good with a wagon on You.-
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In post 397, LicketyQuickety wrote:
Not sure how you mistake Scum hunting for overreaction. I was doing this same thing earlier with people. Then I started on you and caught Scum.In post 390, Havo wrote:@ LQ,
That's a classic OMGUS vote, only I hadn't voted you.
Over REAct Much?
What has tsq posted in between the time you voting him and this that makes you want to unvote? Did your read on tsq change?
Yes it did. Now you are the only one I'm scum reading, so you know what that means.
VOTE: LQ-
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Well I played and got accused of quoting RANDOM shit.In post 400, acidphoenix wrote:i dedicate this pagetop to the spew your alignment game
if you're here please join
mumble if you want a good example of how to start see last page's bottom-
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There is a difference between a wagon and a lynch. I'd like a wagon on you to see your reaction. And obviously your reaction would be horrible to an actual wagon, since the mere hint of a wagon on you caused you to flip out.In post 378, LicketyQuickety wrote:
This is one of the worst reasons you could have given to justify a vote on me.In post 371, Havo wrote:
Most Day 1 lynches happen for shit reasons.In post 370, LicketyQuickety wrote:
There already is a wagon on me and those are shit reasons to want to lynch someone.In post 368, Havo wrote:
I'm having a hard problem getting past you calling out Boons reaction test tbh. Couple that with your style and I guess that gets me to my not so fuzzy feel for you. I'm willing to give it time tho, but wouldn't be opposed to a wagon on you right now.In post 359, LicketyQuickety wrote:
K well like, I get you don't like my playstyle, but that's not really a reason to Scum read me. If this isn't your actual reason, you should prolly state one at some point.In post 350, Havo wrote:
I would be up for a Quick lynch.In post 337, Thestatusquo wrote:Though, to be fair, the first half of it is mostly good. I don't want to lynch any of [EP, Schadd, Lalendra, Luv, egg]
Would be happy to swing quick, though. And only two of those are town reads.
bottom list would be happy to see any of them go besides tchill as I have a strong town VI read on them.
Or Mumbles or Tacos or maybe even Boon.
I put words in your mouth, I misrepped you on purpose to see what you would do and you failed. This is the sign of a guilty conscience.
You said you wouldn't mind a wagon on me, not that you would lynch me. This is self evident even if you didn't explicitly state that you would be willing to wagon me specifically by the fact that you said you would be willing to hold off on me and give it time. You failed the reaction test and now I have to vote you.
P-edit: OK was going to vote you but you gave a couple ok follow ups, so I am not going to. But it does make the statement you said at the beginning that you don't like it when people make confusing posts a load of crock. Plus you never linked where you had said that before and never even gave a response so I might vote you anyways and you might still be Scum.-
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There is a difference between a wagon and a lynch. I'd like a wagon on you to see your reaction. And obviously your reaction would be horrible to an actual wagon, since the mere hint of a wagon on you caused you to flip out.In post 378, LicketyQuickety wrote:
This is one of the worst reasons you could have given to justify a vote on me.
I put words in your mouth, I misrepped you on purpose to see what you would do and you failed. This is the sign of a guilty conscience.
You said you wouldn't mind a wagon on me, not that you would lynch me. This is self evident even if you didn't explicitly state that you would be willing to wagon me specifically by the fact that you said you would be willing to hold off on me and give it time. You failed the reaction test and now I have to vote you.
P-edit: OK was going to vote you but you gave a couple ok follow ups, so I am not going to. But it does make the statement you said at the beginning that you don't like it when people make confusing posts a load of crock. Plus you never linked where you had said that before and never even gave a response so I might vote you anyways and you might still be Scum.-
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Who did I attack for scum reading you?In post 417, Mumble wrote:
Who said he wanted to quick lynch me after scum reading me based on one game, and then attacks someone for scum reading me..............In post 413, Tchill13 wrote:lmao i thought the mumble wagon was lame because lynching lurkers on day 1 doesn't really give any info because nobody has to really take a hard stance there and its kinda just "lets lynch him just to lynch him."
then he voted havo. smh. mumble got a little attention then votes the next guy that gets brought up.
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Are you referring to me "Asking" Acid a question? You know, where he had his vote on TSQ, then TSQ joined the thread and instead of pushing on TSQ, he asked him who he'd like to vote, then he started pushing you. I found it odd that he didn't push TSQ, since his vote was there and brought it up.In post 419, Havo wrote:
Who did I attack for scum reading you?In post 417, Mumble wrote:
Who said he wanted to quick lynch me after scum reading me based on one game, and then attacks someone for scum reading me..............In post 413, Tchill13 wrote:lmao i thought the mumble wagon was lame because lynching lurkers on day 1 doesn't really give any info because nobody has to really take a hard stance there and its kinda just "lets lynch him just to lynch him."
then he voted havo. smh. mumble got a little attention then votes the next guy that gets brought up.
Like uber ..........
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by only posting 60 times until he got to LyLo. lol.In post 426, Tchill13 wrote:
enlighten us on how mumble?In post 424, Mumble wrote:
Haha. I won my only scum game. This is a bad post.In post 418, Lalendra wrote:Mumble is really reacting, to me, like scum that has been found out and is trying to limit the damage by not giving any associative tells. If that's true, then the limited interactions he DID have (like voting havo) give us a decent amount of information. If not, then his death will be in vain because he hasn't helped us do any scum hunting whatsoever, and I'm not going to be very happy.-
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In post 319, acidphoenix wrote:i don't want to lynch any of:
errant, quick, schadd, lalendra, luv, egg
at the moment
i don't really want to lynch mumble but i'd be happy with him
tchill / boon / serg / havo / tsq are the other people in the game
VOTE: tsq
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acid's vote was on Boon?In post 425, Havo wrote:You know, where he had his vote on TSQ, then TSQ joined the thread and instead of pushing on TSQ, he asked him who he'd like to vote, then he started pushing you.-
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This ENTIRE post is garbage. Are you High right now?In post 441, LicketyQuickety wrote:
We we are now covering old ground.In post 399, Havo wrote:When I posted my reads list I had 2 scum leans, you and TSQ.
I posted why I found you scummy, but my vote was still on TSQ because I was willing to give you some time since your play style was a bit sketchy.
I said I'd be ok with a wagon on you, then you went APESHIT!! At the mere mention of a WAgon on you.
Dude if this is how you're gonna play then Hell yeah, I'd be good with a wagon on You.
Here's what actually happened.
I asked what reasons you had for Scum reading me. You gave your reasons and they were terrible and I said as much. At the same time I did a reaction test to test out if you were actually being serious with your suspicion on me.
Then instead of backing up your logic you completely circumvent the issue by giving an excuse why its not bad to vote for people for shit reasons.
I then explain the reaction test to everyone and explain that your logic doesn't hold up. In my P-Edit, I expressed that I was still unsure on you because of your later responses.
Then you say "where is my vote" like that in any way is some kind of defense about what I said.
Then you follow up with another deflection against my attack.
Then I explain that because your vote is on tsq whom you were talking about voting me with, that this implies that you no longer have any reason to Scum read me considering your reasons for voting me were because I didn't make sense to you which is invalidated because it implies both that you don't know what to do with your vote (a sign of nervousness) and that I am making decent points against you that you cannot contest.
Then you quote two posts. One of which is Acid asking if you can spew your alignment and another that Quotes the conversation you had with tsq about voting me trying to imply that you had reason to vote against me. Neither of these posts are posts that show how my logic is wrong on you.
Then I point out that these do not invalidate my points against you.
Then you acuse me of OMGUSing you, which if you were reading the thread, I said earlier that I am not afraid to OMGUS as Town.
Then you say "nice try" in an attempt to make it look like I am OMGUSing you. But this is invalidated by the P-Edit I made stating what you said previously wasn't enough for a vote.
Then you say I am not understanding something, which doesn't make sense because I had been explaining your actions the entire time.
Then I point out how your "nice try" is actually Scummy.
Then I point out that I actually do understand.
Then I point out that I was Scumhunting and not OMGUSing.
Then you make this post.
Conclusion: Havo never addresses my points head on, but instead deflects at every turn. This is not the sign of someone with sound logic, but someone with something to hide. This is Scum.
This is NOT what happened.
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ExactlyIn post 452, Tchill13 wrote:so LQ shut down boons possible attempt at a reaction test then held his own and came to the conclusion havo was scum? convenient.-
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In post 441, LicketyQuickety wrote:
I asked what reasons you had for Scum reading me. You gave your reasons and they were terrible and I said as much. At the same time I did a reaction test to test out if you were actually being serious with your suspicion on me.
I don't care if you don't like my reasons for scum leaning you
Then instead of backing up your logic you completely circumvent the issue by giving an excuse why its not bad to vote for people for shit reasons.
That's a Lie, here's where you are hard pushing your Agenda to avoid being lynched yourself, You said I had shit reasons for voting you, I said people get lynched on Day 1 for Shit reasons most of the time. Not that I Had Shit reasons
I then explain the reaction test to everyone and explain that your logic doesn't hold up. In my P-Edit, I expressed that I was still unsure on you because of your later responses.
Then you say "where is my vote" like that in any way is some kind of defense about what I said.
I said Where is my Vote, To point out to you that I wasn't voting you, I WASN'T VOTING YOU, I WASN'T VOTING YOU, I WASN'T VOTING YOU. What part of I'm not Voting you do you not get here? At this point my reasons to scum read you were not enough for me to actually vote you. I said I could vote you,
or would be okay with a wagon on you to see what reaction you would have.
Then you follow up with another deflection against my attack.
Then I explain that because your vote is on tsq whom you were talking about voting me with, that this implies that you no longer have any reason to Scum read me considering your reasons for voting me were because I didn't make sense to you which is invalidated because it implies both that you don't know what to do with your vote (a sign of nervousness) and that I am making decent points against you that you cannot contest.
Where my vote was at that time does NOT matter what my opinion or READ of you was, not at all.
Then you quote two posts. One of which is Acid asking if you can spew your alignment and another that Quotes the conversation you had with tsq about voting me trying to imply that you had reason to vote against me. Neither of these posts are posts that show how my logic is wrong on you.
This had NOTHING to do with you, I was answering Acid's Test with that post. It was not directed at you in any way.
Then I point out that these do not invalidate my points against you.
Then you acuse me of OMGUSing you, which if you were reading the thread, I said earlier that I am not afraid to OMGUS as Town.
And how is that town play at all? What is OMGUS voting known for? The fact that you stated your not afraid to do it means nothing,
Then you say "nice try" in an attempt to make it look like I am OMGUSing you. But this is invalidated by the P-Edit I made stating what you said previously wasn't enough for a vote.
What you did was virtually an OMGUS vote.
Then you say I am not understanding something, which doesn't make sense because I had been explaining your actions the entire time.
You are living in your own little scum world here. None of your argument makes sense.
Then I point out how your "nice try" is actually Scummy.
Then I point out that I actually do understand.
Then I point out that I was Scumhunting and not OMGUSing.
Then you make this post.
Conclusion: Havo never addresses my points head on, but instead deflects at every turn. This is not the sign of someone with sound logic, but someone with something to hide. This is Scum.Bottom line is I had FOS'd you and put you as a scum LEAN, so I was not opposed to seeing a wagon on you or voting you to get more info on you, that's how it works, that's how you get reads, But me simply mentioning this caused a HUGE Over reaction on your part. It's obvious you were worried about being lynched so you tried your best to build a counter wagon against me to save your own ass, basically forcing me to vote you.-
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I threw Boon in at the end just to see if someone would try and push him. I have no intention I’ve lynching him after 2 posts and being V/LA. I like that you picked up on it.In post 482, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
Why Boon? He’s v/LA and hardly has posted.In post 350, Havo wrote:
I would be up for a Quick lynch.In post 337, Thestatusquo wrote:Though, to be fair, the first half of it is mostly good. I don't want to lynch any of [EP, Schadd, Lalendra, Luv, egg]
Would be happy to swing quick, though. And only two of those are town reads.
bottom list would be happy to see any of them go besides tchill as I have a strong town VI read on them.
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This made me LOL.In post 479, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:-
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Click my Name - Click View Users Post’s - Search “Confusion”In post 155, LicketyQuickety wrote:
Can you point to me where you have said this before?In post 154, Havo wrote:
My biggest pet peeve is when townies post things that create confusionIn post 69, Errantparabola wrote:
2) Havo's 31 is unnecessarily chip-on-shoulder. Unfortunately I couldn't find any scum games from him, so there's really nothing to look into there (and perhaps there wouldn't be anything to look into even if there were scum games to read). But early Havo ISOs in other games have him being pretty personable. Thoughts, Havo?
You’ll see a few posts where I express my disdain.
I’m fairly new to the site and was unaware of these search features.
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This is looking better and better.In post 492, Havo wrote:LQ - Mumbles - Acid Scum Team?-
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How have I demonstrated frustration by pressure on me exactly? This makes no sense. I defended myself from LQs bogus attack on me. It was LQ who came apart at the seams from me merely suggesting I’d like to see a wagon on him. He exploded and threw a desperate attempt to paint me as scum just to try and get the pressure off of himself. How can you not see that? That raises a huge Red Flag for me on you. I wanted your opinion because you were my top TR but the fact that you’re clearly ignoring LQs reaction here has ruined that.In post 579, Errantparabola wrote:4) Havo
I would be very okay with a Havo lynch. He's getting frustrated by pressure on him and stagnating his approach to the game around it. Scum does that a lot. Over the past few pages my reads have actually developed closely in the direction of what schadd says in 468 -- acid townier, Havo scummier, and less confident about scumble. In the end I'm actually still okay with a mumble lynch, despite disagreeing a lot of the reasons people are bringing up for scumble, and my Havo read isn't actually strong enough to counter the inertia of my vote just yet.
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If LQs accusations towards me actually make sense to you or anyone else then maybe they can explain them. Because I still don’t get where any of it makes any sense at all.
Reaction to pressure is a basic fundamental part of game solving. And yes townies can react poorly at times to it. But when someone completely blows up or completely shuts down due to it that’s a giant red flag. And the fact that anyone is ignoring his huge over reaction is bad.-
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I got $5 that says he posts today. Lol.In post 596, Lalendra wrote:"I'm posting too much so let me double-post about how I'm not going to post" lol-
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Mumbles completely shut down as a reaction to pressure. That’s bad.In post 594, Thestatusquo wrote:EP, read your first line of your post on havo. How is that different from my thoughts on mumble?-
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What is your read on Acid?In post 662, Boonskiies wrote:Oh, this game’s easy. It’s a mixture of Havo, Lalendra, Schadd, and LUV.
Which one of them is town, though?
I could see Schadd being scum, but I don't think Lalendra is.
I haven't played with LUV before, but he's giving me a town feel.-
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My issue with Mumble is I just got out of a game with him where he coasted to a scum win by not posting much and not being involved much.In post 670, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:One thing that has given me a bit of pause on Mumble is he reacted somewhat similar to this in a heated discussion with scum in a game that just ended recently. Boon you remember right?
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In post 657, Boonskiies wrote:Err and LQ are town for me.In post 658, Boonskiies wrote:Egg and Tchill are also town for now, albeit aren’t screaming town to me, but I’m leaning there.In post 660, Boonskiies wrote:Status quo can be town for now. I liked his posts and reasonings for things.
I forgot Tacos was in the game, how does that happen?In post 662, Boonskiies wrote:Oh, this game’s easy. It’s a mixture of Havo, Lalendra, Schadd, and LUV.
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And you continue to do nothing. Lol.
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Yeah it's really not that hard to see. But there's a few who choose to be blind.In post 719, Tchill13 wrote:LQ and mumbles were the leading wagons. We get close to aLynch . Havo wagon gets pushed with crappy votes then the game dies. Yeah that's not questionable at all.-
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viewtopic.php?f=2&t=73313In post 813, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
Definitely a valid reason to be concerned from your point of view. But honestly? I just don’t see how he can view playing defeatist scum all game a viable long-term strategy. He can’t help create and push mislynch opportunities or control the game state effectively by doing that.In post 672, Havo wrote:
My issue with Mumble is I just got out of a game with him where he coasted to a scum win by not posting much and not being involved much.In post 670, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:One thing that has given me a bit of pause on Mumble is he reacted somewhat similar to this in a heated discussion with scum in a game that just ended recently. Boon you remember right?
I don't like the way he's acted here and could easily see him being scum here.
Do you mind linking me to that game you and him played together?
Boons Modded and Tacos and Tchill were in this game also.-
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I appreciate the effort here,In post 829, LicketyQuickety wrote:I want to apologise to the people in this thread for 2 things:
- I have been posting too much. I am going to try and think through my posts more and not post as often.
- I have been a jerk. I will try and curb my enthusiasm regarding the attacking language I have been using.
1) I don't have a problem with this
2) OK maybe, but I have thick skin, however posting down to players rarely gets anyone what they want.
Your style is just different than what I'm more accustomed too. But I'm finding that a lot on this site. I'm gonna have to adjust to it.-
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