Mini 1972 - Friendship is Magic - Game over

[Toranaga]

Toranaga replaces oddmusic

Welcome Toranaga

hi jodax! swear I'm town this time!

[Toranaga]

Very confident there's 2 scum in beef, screen, Dunn, odd, maki. Probably one scum that hasn't pinged me yet. I've gotten what I've needed from day 1. Jodax and hewhoswims are town for now. Let's Lynch.

no one is lynching until toranaga is caught up, calm your horses tchill

[Toranaga]

YOUR READS ARE SO...WRONG SWEET JESUS TCHI

d1 reads are the worst reads but also from what I remember of tchill, he tends to point at stuff that's NAI that he thinks are scummy and push for them with some degree of confidence... that's based off one game though.

I will read in a bit and let you guys know, tchill probably town based off how much he is wanting to get the game going in this page I guess.

[Toranaga]

I'm guessing this is finally UCV's scum game

[Toranaga]

VOTE: Screenplay

why are you putting a player on L-2 in RVS

are you nuts Havo

are you a wolf this time

do you remember virt's game

do you know how bad this can get in mafiascum

I hope you're scum

VOTE: screen play L-1

what in the world are you doing

do you think this is cute

wait until a villager lolhammers that and then everyone assumes it's a scum claim and he flips town

lol you guys are the worst

RVS sucks, stop doing it

[Toranaga]

you're playing with the sheep mentality a lot of players have here. we're lucky d1 is still going on

[Toranaga]

Well someone is probably going to get mislynched D2 for mislynching me D1

there you go

fucking village sucks already

[Toranaga]

thats a good joke. long day 1s lead to catching all the scum on the first day phase.

not when you're town in it no

alisae did though, and you lynched er for it so gj

ok I'm already just pissed off

[Toranaga]

feels weird to qoute yourself imo.

vote: tchill13

die

[Toranaga]

This

is

early game, where we pull ourselves up by our bootstraps. A half baked case against a player is better than none, if only for the sake of gathering information.

TChill == a wisp of a case
Srceenplay == no case at all aside from an ordinary reaction

Jodaxq: I'm considering him as well. TChill is just more vocal right now. Equally? I dunno, but I can hover between the two as necessary. They could very well both be scum. Of course there's not a lot to go on, but some evidence is better than none.

I like you

[Toranaga]

Blah Blah Blah.

Love ya Big T.

explain your anti town behaviour and why you didn't unvote yet as per post 60 or whatever

[Toranaga]

UNVOTE:

Screen looks a townier to me now. I was a little thrown by how…weird (at least to me) his reactions seemed, but his later posts seem more natural for town defending himself. (45, 52).

I can maybe see the value of Tchill putting pressure on screenplay, even though I don't like the move to put screen at L-1. I'm not townreading him for it mind, but I don't actually think it's the worst vote on that wagon, plus I agree with Jordaxq's 57.

On the other hand I really don't like Havo so far. I actually do think his vote is the worst on the screenplay wagon (mind you, this was a wagon made up mostly of naked votes so I feel kinda spoiled for choice here). But what really hurts is that his next set of posts have one (joking?) asking for a quicklynch and two more posts without anything really game advancing.

VOTE: Havo

I can get behind this yeah. and look the town player is the one being pro-town. guess what game this reminds me of havo.

[Toranaga]

Very confident there's 2 scum in beef, screen, Dunn, odd, maki. Probably one scum that hasn't pinged me yet. I've gotten what I've needed from day 1. Jodax and hewhoswims are town for now. Let's Lynch.

no one is lynching until toranaga is caught up, calm your horses tchill

Caught up to post 49

feels weird to qoute yourself imo.

vote: tchill13

die

Lol

havo and tchill both deserved to be immediately vigged out of the game for putting a player in L-1 and not leaving it. also your reaction was towny, I didn't mind it and it's funny no one picked it up and unvoted there.

[Toranaga]

I will insta hammer odd if they ever make it to L-1

funny since odd was the one making the good posts after beef

although I can see how a pro-town mindset confuses and terrifies mafiascummers

[Toranaga]

Jordaxq and Beef look very town early.

I'm curious to hear what wave and Dunn think of all this (two others who were on the screen wagon).

how is beef town?

Not just town, but “Very” town.

very town to me as well

also havo you're scum this game it's so obvious lol

[Toranaga]

Oddmusic and Beef are town
this on the other hand is not
VOTE: Havo

I love you

[Toranaga]

Oddmusic and Beef are town
this on the other hand is not
VOTE: Havo

So is this your first game or second?

I'm MariaR nice to see you again Havo. Let's get you lynched D1 again this time but a cop claim won't save you this time

LETS BE MASONS

[Toranaga]

Good Grief. Can we just Lynch scum Screen already?

this is never a thought you have as town early game Havo, I know you're not like that. last time you got pushed for having no reads, now you want people lynched a few posts into it. I don't believe you. this might actually be the easiest time I ever had catching scum in a game.

[Toranaga]

pressure votes don't work if you outright say they're votes for pressure. Plus I feel like pressure votes are shit anyway

[Toranaga]

Beef,odd and screenplay. One is scum. Vote accordingly.

why are you doing this tchill

not only is this incredibly uncharacteristic of you this early, but also you botched that mulch game so fucking hard and you're acting confident right now as if you had this great town game that you catch scum early and people should sheep you. I don't understand what you're doing here but it isn't 'towny'.

[Toranaga]

vote HeWhoSwims

Makes me think of swimming with the fishes...definitely mafia

mod didn't even see my one post before this

Oh, and:

vote Dave

Early game scum tell he dropped. Also okay with Beef, Dunn, and UCV at this point. Not opposed to Screen or Odd, just less optimistic they'll flip scum.

that's half the game you wanna lynch lol jesus.

[Toranaga]

Good Grief. Can we just Lynch scum Screen already?

this is never a thought you have as town early game Havo, I know you're not like that. last time you got pushed for having no reads, now you want people lynched a few posts into it. I don't believe you. this might actually be the easiest time I ever had catching scum in a game.

That’s the old Havo. The one who believed in Lynch all Liars and
Townies should never do anti town things. Then I played my 10th or 11th game
On this site. And most town play here sux. There’s players like Boon and
Trans who openly lie as town and everyone is just good with it. So I said ok if u can’t beat em
Join em.
I hate Day 1s. So I want to get to Day 2 ASAP. So I decided this game I hammer ANYONE
at L-1 unless I hard TR them. And that’s pretty rare on Day 1. So .....

so you're being terrible because everyone else is terrible are you havo

I just don't believe it coming from you. I think you're principled and you wouldn't lollynch anyone because you're better town than that. don't give me that shit that you like to throw games now.

[Toranaga]

Well if Odd was scum this is how I would expect his replacement to come in playing.

ESP someone of Toranagas caliber.

Makes sense. Comes in makes a lot of noise. Funnels himself into the tchill wagon. Attacks tchill for having confidence when he apparently should have none. The odd slot is still scum.

I didn't know you were a wagon but you certainly deserve to be lynched

too bad I think havo is the scum between you two if I had to guess. I don't see scum attaching themselves to ridiculous anti-town play early like you both did, and you're certainly much worse town than havo is. I'm more surprised with him than you certainly...

[Toranaga]

Funny how we're looking everywhere but THIS game.

I'm looking at the lolawful pages of this game unfortunately...

[Toranaga]

Look, I already said if we haven’t lynched someone by tonight I’d be fine eating rope.

So Lynch me. I’ll sign up for the next game and play that Day 1 exactly like this one. And the next and the next and the next. Til

Players finally say “Oh that’s how Havo plays Day 1” see, then it’ll be what I’m known for.

Now Day 2 will see the old Havo. You’ll like Him T.

I don't buy that. this isn't a particular anti-town player list, you start playing well now.

[Toranaga]

Funny how we're looking everywhere but THIS game.

I'm looking at the lolawful pages of this game unfortunately...

Alright toranaga you lead town to 3 scum lynches without a mislynch and I'll say day 1s aren't useless.

let's start with you leading nothing, alright? if I'm leading lynches for town is because people agree with the reads. sort of townreading this and other stuff you're doing but please cut down with the high horse attitude cause it doesn't lead to anything good.

[Toranaga]

But Maki, the wagon on Tchill is only Uc Voyager, me, and Beefster, I don't know who you're describing here besides UC Voyager, but I don't think that's enough to not lynch them. In fact, there's a lot of people against the tchill lynch

dunn can you show me a game where you caught tchill as scum

I'm willing to sheep depending how strong you're scumreading him here

[Toranaga]

So you're pushing me for my high horse attitude. Not anything game related. Cool.

you put a motherfucker in L-1 on page 2

[Toranaga]

But Maki, the wagon on Tchill is only Uc Voyager, me, and Beefster, I don't know who you're describing here besides UC Voyager, but I don't think that's enough to not lynch them. In fact, there's a lot of people against the tchill lynch

dunn can you show me a game where you caught tchill as scum

I'm willing to sheep depending how strong you're scumreading him here

I've never seen him as scum that I remember, I've seen him as town twice

ah I misinterpreted

[Toranaga]

hey mason buddy join me on this :3

I'm sort of townreading dunn but if he is scum I'll be right on with you maybe

[Toranaga]

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=73986 Top 3 player is a friendly neighbor and does nothing all game

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=73745 Top 3 player is an innocent child and does nothing all game

This game: He's got a magical list of 4 and he's sure people are scum on day 1, he's pushing bad scummy things, his attitude is different

Seriously, look at his isos in those games, they're very short

I did skim briefly but just by your description of it it seems he played those games similar to how he played a game with me where I was scum. this one he is attacking many things very aggressively but I'm townreading a few of his posts while the scummiest thing he did was putting someone at L-1. I think we wait and see with tchill?

what do you think of havo?

[Toranaga]

So you're pushing me for my high horse attitude. Not anything game related. Cool.

you put a motherfucker in L-1 on page 2

I wish it would have been PG 1.

alright buddy. I don't think you're scum but you're not doing town any favors. havo even less, I'm surprised and disappointed this is what he does now.

[Toranaga]

vote: HeWhoSwims

halfway through this feels like scum

[Toranaga]

lol. I'm dumb. Looking over your posts in isolation, I realized I'm wildly wrong. I definitely remembered things wrong.

UNVOTE:

towniest post in the game

[Toranaga]

Town

Oddmusic, Maki Harukawa, Beefster

Leaning town

Srceenplay, Jodaxq

Null

Davesaz, Havo, WaveMode

Scummy

HeWhoSwims, Tchill13, UC Voyager

This is where I'm at right now, and I feel good about all my town reads, I'd like to lynch one of HeWhoSwims, Tchill13, and UC Voyager.

HeWhoSwims reads as pretty scummy tonally to me, I look at them and keep thinking they;re scum, Also the only places they've pushed/brought attention to so far is people I think have a better chance at being town than scum

Wavemode's reads list looks nothing like mine but I'm ignoring that for now, they're null for me, I don't have much of an opinion

The majority of Tchill's iso is complaining about day 1, complaining about using other isos, and other fluff etc. Srceenplay brought up a good point where Tchill acting pretty different in another game.

UC Voyager hasn't done anything yet, though them saying "are we really out of rvs" seemed pretty scummy

maki how do you wanna lynch someone that posts this dear

[Toranaga]

alright I'm caught up now

[Toranaga]

maki, dave, dunn, tchill I like as townreads

tchill acted like a goof early on but he is doing a lot of evaluations on players and seems to be playing different because he is in a different mental state, not necessarily a different alignment than when he is town.

havo I was scumreading because this is never how I expect town!havo to play, but I admit his death wish if the gameday drags for too long makes me lean town.

I kinda like jodax for being reasonable, but that's probably NAI for her.

hewhoswims is posting like scum. big unorganic posting that doesn't flow with the thread. don't like the reads. the tchill read screams TMI that tchill is town and they don't wanna push it. lots of bad stuff not sure if you want me to case that or not.

[Toranaga]

oh beef as a townread too

[Toranaga]

Official Vote Count

Srceenplay

(5): davesaz, wavemode, Dunnstral, Havo, Tchill13

Tchill13

(3): UC Voyager, Srceenplay, Beefster

wavemode

(1): Maki Harukawa

Maki Harukawa

(1): HeWhoSwims

Havo

(1): oddmusic

Not Voting

(2): I Am Innocent, Jodaxq

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-12-25 15:43:11)

in retrospect the screenplay wagon looks kinda clean

which 1 - loltown but 2 - hmmmmm

[Toranaga]

Well someone is probably going to get mislynched D2 for mislynching me D1

that's a good post though

[Toranaga]

Already have seven probably towns?
You have more faith in people than me.

6 but only townreading 5, I'm null on wave

kinda liked your ISO so whatever

[Toranaga]

Already have seven probably towns?
You have more faith in people than me.

ah you meant reads

yeah

[Toranaga]

tchill

dave

let's vote hewhoswims

[Toranaga]

ok how about wavemode

[Toranaga]

unvote

I want to think

[Toranaga]

vote: havo

ok I did a quick check on Havo's recent finished games and he was still playing like town!havo that I saw in september. very relutant to give out strong reads and wagon people early on. this is different than anything I saw from him and, despite the 'kill me' attitude that I read as generally towny, I find myself with more reasons to scumread the slot than the other way around.

so I think this is better.

[Toranaga]

vote: havo

ok I did a quick check on Havo's recent finished games and he was still playing like town!havo that I saw in september. very relutant to give out strong reads and wagon people early on. this is different than anything I saw from him and, despite the 'kill me' attitude that I read as generally towny, I find myself with more reasons to scumread the slot than the other way around.

so I think this is better.

viewtopic.php?t=73835&f=23&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

havo wolf game, fairly different than this as well. even more reluctant and safe than his normal play.

unvote

[Toranaga]

tchill

dave

let's vote hewhoswims

What happened?

feels wrong now

I'm working out something here -wait-

[Toranaga]

vote: dave

and yes I changed my read on this slot from town to scum but eh just replaced in so :shrug:

[Toranaga]

dave voted screenplay and didn't unvote him while he kept pushing tchill

doesn't read like he is genuinely scumhunting

I think swims made towny posting here and there, dave didn't

[Toranaga]

Toranaga replaces oddmusic

Yes!

Toranaga Sama is the man!

Just call me Anjin San.

oh god and I tunneled you so hard anjin san

toranaga sama will restablish the honor of this entire clan

[Toranaga]

Meh, I don't like the way Toranaga entered. Throwing a lot of stuff around and jumping around for no reason. His attacks seem a little fake. I also wasn't a huge fan of Odd either.

VOTE: Toranaga

I can see how I came across that way. in my defense, drugs.

you can easily see the many differences from that game we played together to this game already jodax. starting with the postcount. this is never my scum game, let's not lynch me!

[Toranaga]

I started strong wolfreading tchill and havo because they were putting people in L-1 at page 2. I have reversed those scum reads to townreads the more I read the game and interacted with them. so my initial leans felt like trash and I built new ones. I didn't explain these new ones and please never listen to tchill cause all he does is wolfread townplayers.

[Toranaga]

eh going from memory of what I read today my reads right now would be jodax, tchill, I am innocent, maki as strong townreads and then havo and dunnstrall a level below them. as for scum I think everyone else has similar equity and I'm not quite sure which one would be a good lynch just yet.

[Toranaga]

youre first reads were trash. discrediting here also. this is a joke.

my reads as I was reading page 1 and 2 were not as good as my reads after I caught up, yeah ok. you're the one voting town tho bitch

[Toranaga]

I can do that, Toranaga totally misrepresented what I did and it isn't all that hard to read. I kinda expected some kind of retraction by now.
VOTE: Toranaga

you had screenplay at L-1 while arguing scum motivation for tchill to put him there. it feels odd, I don't understand why you didn't just unvote the slot as you were theorizing that scum was putting it at L-1.

[Toranaga]

I'm L-4 right,

just keeping track of it

[Toranaga]

still think dave is scum and lol @ his vote on me after calling me genuine one page ago

UCV is playing different. he is generally a UTR slot and I certainly misread him in the past, but I agree with dunn that 'we're out of RVS already' sentence feels a little fake.

I can see HWS being scum and I don't think their posting is townie, but they make good content regardless and I think a lot of what I'm scumreading them for can be just stylistic differences.

should look closer at wave, beef, screenplay

[Toranaga]

lol. I'm dumb. Looking over your posts in isolation, I realized I'm wildly wrong. I definitely remembered things wrong.

UNVOTE:

yeah this is town

[Toranaga]

closer at beef and screen? no way.

you know every postgame ever when people say you're a very bad town player?

this won't be different tchill

gladly I don't need to depend on you to win

[Toranaga]

screen's wagon had dave and wave in it so it's probably a bad idea to lynch him

I think dave can help town a lot when he is town just based off his posting style, but nothing jumps as townie and there are scummy posts and votes here and there

I wonder what wagon both tchill and jodax would agree with voting with me. I'm guessing nothing for tchill since I'm lock scum.

[Toranaga]

The count was l-2, not l-1 when I returned to the thread. The VC is only a couple posts before, and clearly shows that.
At that point I don't know if screenplay is town or scum who dodged a bullet. And my comment does not say that tchill is scum, it merely says that it should not be discounted.

Spoiler: details

Official Vote Count

Srceenplay

(5): davesaz, wavemode, Dunnstral, Havo, Tchill13

Tchill13

(3): UC Voyager, Srceenplay, Beefster

wavemode

(1): Maki Harukawa

Maki Harukawa

(1): HeWhoSwims

Havo

(1): oddmusic

Not Voting

(2): I Am Innocent, Jodaxq

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-12-25 15:43:11)

VOTE: screen play L-1

Not sure what to think about this. It seems so scummy that I can't see scum doing it.

I agree with this. I feel like it would be too obvious an action for scum and especially for experienced scum.

Scum might do it for exactly that reason. There is usually far more pressure on the hammer vote, especially if quick. And if it's a bus they get to use it as an argument against being a partner for the rest of the game.

ok but you are talking about it as if you think this is a L-1 vote anyway

I missed this wasn't actually L-1 so :shrug: but it's still odd you didn't unvote there

what's your read on screenplay

[Toranaga]

well A) apparently im used to it. glad you stalk me on site and read every post game im apart of and B) i'd appreciate it if the big bad man would stop being a meenie wheenie. Grow up. I think we will C) a scum flip with a torablahblah lynch. im fun at parties.

wat

no I played with you once, IDGAF about any other game of yours lol

you are constantly grilled for playing poorly though

wait are you actually chip butty lol

[Toranaga]

I think dave can help town a lot when he is town just based off his posting style

Ah, here's the reason. I'm a threat.

is that how you're going to defend yourself

there's no way I'm town then, I'm a wolf and I'm trying to get you killed because you threatened me by townreading me and then OMGUSing me

ok dave who I never played with before, you caught me

[Toranaga]

ok but you are talking about it as if you think this is a L-1 vote anyway

I missed this wasn't actually L-1 so :shrug: but it's still odd you didn't unvote there

what's your read on screenplay

Oh, I'm pretty sure tchill's vote was a L-1 -- but someone else had unvoted already. Unless I bought into it having been L-1 incorrectly.
The entire point of that post was to dispel the notion that scum won't put someone at L-1 in early game. Unlikely that I would have a true read on anyone that early in the game.

I'll get back to you on my current screenplay read. My focus went elsewhere and I tuned it out.

Pedit: You're the one who townread me and then flipped it for a totally bogus reason.
I've seen you before, in a game where one or both of us replaced in. TBH I don't remember much.

do you see how it's not bogus after what I explained to you though?

[Toranaga]

I can see how you might have that opinion, if you thought that I thought that it was an L-1 still; and that I was actually after tchill.
In that light it is not a misrep, merely a misunderstanding.
UNVOTE:

I'd like to know what's up with all the vote hopping. It gives me the heebiejeebies. Could just be a style thing...

it's drugs I'm telling you lol

it's not a style thing although I do hopper on wagons a lot as town so :shrug:

[Toranaga]

CHAOS REIGNS

[Toranaga]

Screenplay is giving some opinions, but doing it in a way that seems passive to me.
Not sure how to deal with that.

I agree with this, even at L-1 he seemed very passionless. the biggest reason not to lynch him is the fact that he actually went to L-1 so there's a good chance there was scum in his wagon

I am sort of townreading most people that jumped there and I'm villa reading your recent posting so this is no longer a strong reason not to lynch him today

[Toranaga]

Screenplay is giving some opinions, but doing it in a way that seems passive to me.
Not sure how to deal with that.

I agree with this, even at L-1 he seemed very passionless. the biggest reason not to lynch him is the fact that he actually went to L-1 so there's a good chance there was scum in his wagon

Seems reasonable until you realize that any random sample of 6 players from a 13 player game is likely to contain at least one scum.

if he is scum there isn't him on his wagon and there's less motivation for scum to be in it

so hm you're wrong cause mathematics

also loltchill

tho your reads seem good this game apparently

we'll see

[Toranaga]

my reads seem good after a good read instead of a quick glance of the game for catch up... amazing back tracking here. youre still scum.

learn your math tho tchill

[Toranaga]

vote: screenplay

'oh look how townie I am posting drunk'

denied

[Toranaga]

vote: screenplay

'oh look how townie I am posting drunk'

denied

^ Is on drugs.

How ironic.

I'm not on drugs

I was on drugs a long time ago

[Toranaga]

Fly a kite in a storm, drive down a wrong way street, or swim with sharks. I don’t gaf. Bye bye

this is some classic drunken scummy posting by screenplay fwiw

[Toranaga]

Fly a kite in a storm, drive down a wrong way street, or swim with sharks. I don’t gaf. Bye bye

this is some classic drunken scummy posting by screenplay fwiw

You don’t know classic screen.
Shut your face.

classic scum!anyone drunk posting

[Toranaga]

you don't know how to drink son

[Toranaga]

wow ac voyager is one person not scumreading me

that's... is this real life

am I dreaming

[Toranaga]

and with all the times i have played with scum!tor

twice!

[Toranaga]

you don't know how to drink son

Lol.
I’ve been doing it before your dad put your stain on the bed.

I'm sure you've been a drunk your whole life, you're just still crap at it lol

[Toranaga]

vote: screenplay

'oh look how townie I am posting drunk'

denied

^ Is on drugs.

How ironic.

Me too and I'm glad because this thread is hilarious to me right now

you on pot?

[Toranaga]

All the times I've played with UCV he's had shit reads so he's probably just wrong about you.

nulltown is his actual read

I'm very villagery though, jodax come on

should I smoke pot with you

[Toranaga]

All the times I've played with UCV he's had shit reads so he's probably just wrong about you.

nulltown is his actual read

I'm very villagery though, jodax come on

should I smoke pot with you

I am always willing to share

oh I brought my own pot

let's talk about the game though

what are your strongest townreads

[Toranaga]

jodax I literally rolled a joint just to synchronize our vibes

don't bail on me now

[Toranaga]

I also think UC is towny right now, and agree with tchill and havo (after I metadived havo his wolf game is extremely cautious and not like this)

[Toranaga]

So we have
Uc
Tor
Dave

As scum

we know what you meant

[Toranaga]

I agree jodax is towny but I don't see her as -the towniest- player and IDK how UC voting her is a scumclaim

but you're drunk so :shrug:

[Toranaga]

So we have
Uc
Tor
Dave

As scum

we know what you meant

What prize do I win?

cocaine in your butthole

[Toranaga]

you're probably wrong on jodax because she is pushing me and it's lolwtf from your standpoint, but she has the fear. I'm doing some convincing here, she'll come around.

[Toranaga]

That’s so wrong can it even be fake?

can a player have fake wrong reads? yes

is it 'so wrong'? who knows

starting to townread you tho

[Toranaga]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: screenplay

I actually would prefer this

Mus Lynch me and you are blacklisted if you are not scum.

townreading you just now for one post was a mistake lol

[Toranaga]

you're probably wrong on jodax because she is pushing me and it's lolwtf from your standpoint, but she has the fear. I'm doing some convincing here, she'll come around.

What does this even mean?

I feel you'd be villa reading my slot if we didn't play a game I won as scum. I could be wrong. I'm being jokey. I'm high. it's your fault though.

[Toranaga]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: screenplay

I actually would prefer this

Mus Lynch me and you are blacklisted if you are not scum.

townreading you just now for one post was a mistake lol

townreading me or screen?

screen

'blacklisted' reads as a fake overreaction

[Toranaga]

being jo

dude, you realize she cant make you do shit right?

alright I get it, you're young you don't wanna be around these druggies. I'll stop talking about it to make you feel comfortable.

[Toranaga]

it makes mafia more enjoyable, but it especially makes oranges more enjoyable

[Toranaga]

it makes mafia more enjoyable, but it especially makes oranges more enjoyable

I should have just town!lurked and i would have avoided all of this

hey come on now

idk who to lynch

[Toranaga]

you're not putting a large effort UC

[Toranaga]

I’ve aleays been 100% at the end of D1. Its my meta

I’m done for the rest of the day.
Peace

so we should lynch you then

if your meta is being 100% right at the end of D1, why are you voting a town mason?

oops

[Toranaga]

I have just outed my masonry to get this dude lynched

that is my contribution to this game, doing what tchill tried to do on page 2

now chop chop

[Toranaga]

wow. this has been one of te msot productive hours i have ever seen on MS

you're playing with town!ranaga son

[Toranaga]

maki, jodax, tchill, havo

I am Innocent, UC, maybe dave

and everyone else did both wolfy and villagery things and we can lynch one of them

[Toranaga]

Barbecue lol. Love auto correct. Anyways toranaga has been all over the map. Back tracked even. Beefand screen I'll be more willing to believe you're town if you vote this with me. UC I'd suggest you do the same. I'm pretty confident this guy is scum. I don't think an attack on my one game would come from him the way it did if he was town. He's probably scum and if you're scum you say what you gotta say.

this is the time you go back, read my posts, read my slot's posts, then figure shit out yourself

you don't have to believe it, it's been openly breadcrumbed

another reason to out was so you could be productive town for once

it starts with reading my posts, reading my slot, finding the masonry claims and their counterparts and figure out it's 100% legit

you don't pollute the thread with your tunneling and wanting because I was a dick to you

now go do those things, thank you

[Toranaga]

maki, jodax, tchill, havo

I am Innocent, UC, maybe dave

and e

veryone

else

did both wolfy and villagery things and we can lynch one of them

Green = town

Red = scum

gray = null



di i color this correctly?

you did color correctly cause those are townreads yes

[Toranaga]

I actually find Tchills suspicion of tor to be townie. I feel if tchill were scum and screen were town, Tchill would have taken advantage of the situation

it is townie

[Toranaga]

Still not sure what to make of toranaga. I can just feel the scum oozing from him. This will help though. If he's town well... What a great personality.

you put people on L-1 in a game I'm in on page 2, I'll make sure you feel like a dick

especially you cause you've been around. no sympathy for that shit sorry mate.

[Toranaga]

doesn't make your play any good tbh

also look at how towny that oddmusic post is

do you not see this tchill

[Toranaga]

Oddmusic and Beef are town
this on the other hand is not
VOTE: Havo

So is this your first game or second?

I'm MariaR nice to see you again Havo. Let's get you lynched D1 again this time but a cop claim won't save you this time

LETS BE MASONS

YESSSSS <3

and we're our top townreads like everytime

so

[Toranaga]

look at 'oddmusic' being town

anyway she'll confirm this of course

[Toranaga]

you might be the first player to not trust a d1 hardclaim of masonry that was breadcrumbed like this

[Toranaga]

that moment when you don't know how mad your mason partner is going to be that you hardclaimed without running it with them first

[Toranaga]

she is mad

[Toranaga]

she is mad

YOU DUMBASS I'M GONNA DESTORY YOU

I understand

[Toranaga]

I was concerned with the gameday getting too long and tchill tunneling taking forever while no one gets lynched and people lose the interest for the game

I should have ran that with you and I'm sorry I didn't, but that spot with screenplay felt just right for it

[Toranaga]

Spoiler:

Tor you're an idiot now I have to lead the monkeys.

you know what

that's fine cause now we're both mad at each other

[Toranaga]

Doesn't change my vote.

I'll believe it if screen is scum

.

[Toranaga]

well I'm out, I have a busy day tomorrow cause I'll be trying to find an 'I'm sorry' card that's specific for outing your masonry too soon

[Toranaga]

I think beefster and HWS have been towny in this page, which reflexively makes me unsure about this screenplay wagon because both are potential scum partners for him and I can't close a 3 person team with screenplay quite as easily anymore.

I suggest we lynch wavemode instead. everyone else posting gives at least some mild town vibes, which increases the scum equity in an otherwise null slot

vote: wave

[Toranaga]

Not a big fan of scumteam hunting before a flip because uuuh, finding a single scummy is already hard enough.

Not voting wave until the guy shows up.

here is the thing, I'm not hunting a team. I'm simply hunting for the probability someone is mafia based off everything that happened in the game so far. I think a wolf helping another wolf get put in L-1 is a misplay that doesn't occur very often; I think the number of players putting votes and pushing screenplay may also point to it being a mislynch. he had many interactions already that don't make sense as SvS.

Is he scummy? yes, he is sometimes scummy. he is sometimes kinda towny though, isn't he? wavemode's ISO is garbage and his question to Maki about how experienced she is with mafia is the only AI thing he did and it was a scummy thing. so I'm happier going there.

[Toranaga]

I think I mostly wanna lynch HeWhoSwims because how can you not lynch this?

[Toranaga]

and it's making walls of text too lol

[Toranaga]

the point is, I'm not sure HWS is being scummy. I sometimes think they're just being themselves which is a new player tl;dr heavy lynchbait slot. IDK. I hope they do something clearing and obv towny eventually, but for now I'm very uncomfortable lynching it. if I had to guess 3 wolves he'd be in it though.

[Toranaga]

it's not annoying! it just feels scummy because some scum players feel better 'hiding themselves' behind walls of text. And this person in your avatar looks like someone who just got away with a lie! I think your style is fine and you're providing content that's relevant to the game and I like your insights on stuff. you just feel like scum sometimes.

[Toranaga]

well im telling you rn theres 1 scum between beef, oddmusic and screenplay... at LEAST one scum that is.

There is certainly a potential scum motivation for a post like this. I lean toward not saying what it makes me think of, to see if anyone else comes up with it.
It's weak anyway, and there are valid town reasons too.

dave in this post, if I recall correctly neither beef nor oddmusic were wagoning screenplay, and you're reading into it that maybe scum!tchill is trying to make villagers go against each other cause they're scared of the conditional read being created here, yes?

what are the valid town reasons you're seeing for this, though?

[Toranaga]

we're on post 37... so if youre gonna call me scum vote me.

The thing is I don’t know.
I haveymade a decision.
But
It is definitely not town points for you.

I actually like this post by screenplay as a response to tchill putting him in L-1. I'm expecting scum to be more fiery or certain, as opposed to going 'well you put me on L-1 and I'm not sure wtf this means but it certainly isn't towny!'. I think that's fairly reasonable. I'm with odd that that first 'you need more than that' is scummy, but this one I liked.

[Toranaga]

what the... we're desperate enough to use other games? i think i had 20 posts that game lol. i gave up early.

That more post than you had here.
That is a 180 are reading me. From a game where you had multiple pages to a game with just one page.
I’m calling bullshit.

i seriously cant believe what is happening rn how about we use this game and how ppl play in it to judge play. i may never say another good thing about a player on site. i do not remember having any great interactions with you as a player. pretty sure i said that because i believed you were town and dint want you to get lynched. that is all.

I don't see how this is a real thought you had here. of course people use meta to determine alignments, you have played enough to know so. 'I seriously can't believe what is happening rn ' is a ridiculous overreaction. it's not towny at all imo. It's funny how re-reading the game, even though I did eventually put you as a strong townread, I still look back at posts like these and I can't wrap my head around actual town making them. this is shameless openwolfing that I only see the likes of mulch, titus etc doing, so I'm not sure you really have it in you but if this was anyone else I'd be calling for their heads here.

[Toranaga]

After reading over oddmusic's later posts, I realized he looks pretty townie. I might be biased though because he thinks I'm town. His backing off srceenplay seems appropriate for the situation.

Which leaves me with Tchill.

VOTE: Tchill

yes, oddmusic's backtrack on screenplay was very townie indeed, good to see you catching up on that mate.

'tor are you re-reading the game again wtf'

yes I am

'are your reads gonna change drastically again'

they might

[Toranaga]

VOTE: screen play L-1

Not sure what to think about this. It seems so scummy that I can't see scum doing it.

I agree with this. I feel like it would be too obvious an action for scum and especially for experienced scum.

I'm on my phone only until like 5 pm cet so no long reads from me now but I do feel like odd's reaction to Screenplay's reaction was somewhat iffy and he townreading 2 players for reasons I don't quite understand. It's early in the game and I'm not changing my vote. Will re-read the entire thread this afternoon

why did you care where your vote was? this is a little odd.

also good to notice all your opinions here have been stated before so this is 100% sheep reads. I saw you sheeping a lot this game and it concerns me that you don't seem to have that much when it comes to genuine thoughts in the game. it can be attributed to your newbieness though, but it also feels a little too safe to be a newbie villager. it's a problem.

[Toranaga]

#113 from HWS is overly descriptive with little and otherwise sheeped analysis. this is not how I expect an inexperienced town player to go about their day.

I figured you were referencing something. It just seemed like a good moment to mention that fact.

I also had a history of playing dumb town, but this is of course 6 years later, so things change. I tend to overthink things still, which is probably why I ended up throwing off everyone's scumdar with false positives.

Meh I don't like this post either. Seems like an early attempt at garnering town reads.

I think Beefster needs some pressure in this game.
VOTE: Beefster

this is a scummy post and a bullshit reason to vote someone. almost every other post beef made was more alignment indicative than this one.

[Toranaga]

what is this avatar talk about?

IDK, is it AI for you? stop playing safe AC. do something wild. go wild. give me a wild read.

[Toranaga]

Yeah havo is definitely newb scum. I'm glad we've got a game full of Sherlocks here. One of beef, odd or screen needs to be lynched. Could Lynch the guy that refuses to use vote tags but I was down for a Lynch on anyone other than me on page 2.

one thing that bugged me about tchill recently is that after I went hard on lynching screen, he voted screen and then posted things already pre-blaming me for screen flipping villager. I also think not reading into my mason claim and keep calling me scum oddly ungamesolving. based off posts up until #155, I really have beef as a strong villa read and I do have screen as a villa read. my reads are a bit hermeneutic so I get different leanings all the time, but ey I'm confirmed town so screw your suspicion! I wonder why I'm villa reading tchill now lol. feels strong with the kinds of posts he made early on. a bit too naive from me to assume a villager wouldn't dare to powerwolf like a maniac early on.

[Toranaga]

do you think that an avatar could effect your chances of being scum?

do you think that avatar's have a sub-conscious effect on your and other people's reads?

an avatar has a sub conscious effect in how I read people yes. IDK about anyone else. but I was making a joke though. I'm not glorifying your first question with an answer

[Toranaga]

eh ok I stopped on page 8 and my reads just went the other way around reading this stuff so lettuce

unvote

and think more.

[Toranaga]

Yeah havo is definitely newb scum. I'm glad we've got a game full of Sherlocks here. One of beef, odd or screen needs to be lynched. Could Lynch the guy that refuses to use vote tags but I was down for a Lynch on anyone other than me on page 2.

This feels pretty genuine to me. Tchill has been weird this game for sure, but I am leaning town.

how does this read genuine to you jodax? what part of calling people bad and then randomly suggesting one of 3 players needs to be lynched 155 posts into the game is genuine? IDK how much of this is superior perspective knowing my alignment, but beef looks towny as well and I'm not very confident screen is scum. I actually think his reaction to being put in L-1, especially the post to tchill I quoted here early was actually genuine. you're reading one of most disingenuine posts up until this point as 'pretty genuine', it feels random. your beef push feels random as well. you're not interacting with tchill, you're not trying to understand what in the name of jebus this guy is doing here. I don't like this one bit actually.

[Toranaga]

@Tora that sentence from #100 was me saying I saw the reason Odd was being suspected but that it wasn't enough for me to change votes or suspect him that much yet.

that makes sense, thank you

[Toranaga]

just because you see my reasons as inaccurate doesn't mean they factually are inaccurate. so you can attempt to discredit elsewhere. i have good reasoning and will not argue it with those that refuse to listen.

reading up til this point, tchill hasn't actually given reasons for much and his behaviour isn't one of trying to solve the game in any way, but rather just cast shade and push people right and left until someone gets lynched. doesn't help that most of the people he is pushing here, I'm reading as towny. I gotta run this over with maki on whether this is a wrong antitown villager or just scum, but I can see how I was leaning towards the latter in my first read up on this game and that's where I'm leaning again the second time around.

[Toranaga]

2 scum in (Dave, beef, screen, odd)

Let's look into these.

Dave - Just talked about him, I don't think his actions warrant a scumread from me for now as the game is young.

Beef - Hard to read. I talked about him flipping votes between Tchill and oddmusic early on and I'm honestly not too sure what to make of that but I lean towards keeping an open mind which is pro town. However there is stuff like his reaction to Havo in 154. But afterwards questions others, argues for a longer day which I would find logical (more intel and I honestly doubt PRs suffer under it? Unexperienced though). And he posts his reads which is good I think. My mind says nulltown but my heart says null somehow because some stuff seems weird and I don't know with which of those two to go for now.

Screen - For now my top suspect out of these four. Looking at his iso I feel like most of his posts aren't contributing that much (although he has okay content like 52). Samples in 40 47 75 129, and I'm also not sure what to think of him suggesting giving Havo a free pass since I'm not getting big town vibes from him either for similar reasons.

Odd - On second thought still a tad suspicious for having few posts and that whole reaction-to-srceen post. However his train of thought in 66 seems towny for me. Needs to contribute more.

I think this is a villagery post, giving the effort to read into the 4 players in tchill's 'lynch pool' and then townreading 3 out of 4. I see genuine gamesolving behaviour from HWS and I like where his thoughts are on these slots. still a little too safe but some thoughts here seem independent and in general I'm not reading this slot as having any sort of scum motivation.

[Toranaga]

We don't get info from day one but, we can lynch screen since he apparently is scum. Ah. Got it.

this is also towny. I like that HWS never joined the screen wagon when everyone was pushing for it.

[Toranaga]

I re-read the first 12 pages and I think stuff gets more NAI from that point on. + I was here already and this messes up my reads greatly.

jodax, beefster, maki

dave, dunn, havo, screenplay

HWS, IMI, wavemode, UCV

tchill

jodax is looking and pushing many things this game, seems genuinely solvey. I don't like how she is defending tchill but I can see how someone townreads a player doing the things he is doing.

beefster has towntell all over his posting. if he is scum, bravo. I explained my townread on him in different ways this game, I'm fine with him up there for now.

maki is mason

dave's posts are good, I can see he is looking into things he believes are possibly alignment indicative. he just doesn't make as much effort to explain it, and deals with people by asking questions etc, but I think he is coming from a towny perspective. in hindsight, I can see his opinion on tchill possible scum motivation in pushing people not on the screen wagon to vote there, and in my first read it is something I missed, so that's cool. I wonder waht the town motivation for tchill is there though.

the more I read the game the more I agree with everything dunn is pushing for. I think his initial wolf team of tchill, UCV and HWS has at least one scum in it. and his town leans are probably all town too, so those are all good things.

screenplay has had some towny posting when reacting to pressure and I think he is also genuinely trying to solve the game. town lean for now.

havo's townread comes mostly from his deathwish and other tonal cues when we were talking with each other.

I think tchill is playing a character this game. this isn't his town game, he is making no effort into solving anything other than cast shade on anyone casting doubt on his slot. it's widely different from his last scum game that I saw, but the fact that the only thing this guy does is aggressive tunnel a bunch of slots doesn't read like genuine town behaviour that's just too 'out there'. it reads like scum pushing town all gameday because he decided to play it like that this time. if tchill is town, well good riddance.

the other 3 I have mostly in a POE;did some scummy stuff;not towny enough yet to lean town as of right now.

I think we should lynch tchill... I know maki isn't with me on this but he does actually read as scum doing an openscumming routine this game.

those are reads.

[Toranaga]

vote: tchill

not surprised if it flips green but reads as scum and needs to die imo

[Toranaga]

vote: tchill

not surprised if it flips green but reads as scum and needs to die imo

OMG!

VOTE: Toranaga

Mason my ass.

are you scumreading both me and maki because I'm voting someone you don't agree with? because we'd have to both be scum for her to confirm my claim, and she'd have to have planned the claim with odd beforehand given how she was reading him.

just hm think about this a little.

[Toranaga]

well I won't be surprised if it flips green. will you be surprised if I flip green?

[Toranaga]

you really believe your read that I'm scum and that, in a 13er setting, I outed myself and my scum partner maki (two thirds of the scumteam no less) by hardclaiming a masonry we both planned ahead and she planned ahead with the slot I replaced into (which you know via breadcrumbs)?

I have never seen scum play like that. it's too risky! there could be checks, actual masons that CC it, and any flip outs the other player. you know those 'let this be resolved at night' situations? this isn't QUITE like that, especially if both you and tchill are town and there's opportunity on a mislynch inside the masonry, but it's close to it. I don't think scum leaves both me and maki alive to see what the hell happens to the game d2.

IDK what to make of your vote, but it's extremely poor as a play regardless of your alignment. if you're actually town, which I think you are, you're setting yourself up to be mislynched when tchill flips. if you're scum with tchill, lol god bless your soul. if you're scum and tchill is actually town, I don't think you can push for my mislynch here instead anyway? so IDK what you're doing Havo, but it's not good.

not to mention I'm obvtown by play alone.

[Toranaga]

Toras slot is scum read. He comes in takes control of the game. Belittles those that don't agree with him. Speaks highly of those who do. Hmm...

For once, I sort of agree with you. The fact that he's using his mason claim to do whatever he wants is unsettling. I'm beginning to second-guess the mason claim.

I'm trying to solve though. what's your read on tchill?

[Toranaga]

if doing whatever I want is flip flopping on my reads: what's my motivation as scum to do so?

[Toranaga]

You outed yourself and your partner without any real pressure on you or her and your best guess at scum is someone that you wouldn’t be surprised if they flip green.

See how bad that looks?

I outed the masonry so the thread wouldn't turn into a pages long back and forth between me and tchill that, at the time, I thought wasn't going anywhere because I could conftown myself and wasn't reading him as scummy.

as for reckless playing style and -policy lynch- post by beefster: IDK how to respond to it. I'm playing the game and posting my reads. I'm trying really hard and my reads may bounce everywhere because it's d1 and things aren't set in stone. For instance, my tchill read went from scummy, to maybe town if havo is scum, to metadiving him and watching him be very safe as scum and think this has to be his towngame as a result, to a re-read on the game where I convinced myself that actually his posting isn't towny at all... and I'm running a theory in my head that tchill has decided to play this game a certain tunnel heavy way that isn't really similar to his towngame, but is widely different from his scum game, so he could push pro-scum things while getting townreads for being too balls to the wall to be scum. if he backtracked on his attitude it would make things complicated, but it's safe to say that tchill is posting with a level of confidence in his reads that he can't possibly have, and the amount of people he hard tunneled this game when it's d1 and there are only 3 wolves is just ridiculous.

sometimes the more you look into things, the more you distance yourself from solving. I may have done some of that this game. when it comes to tchill though, my first instinct was that he was scummy, and in a way I'm going back to this gutread while critically analyzing his posting and concluding that it doesn't seem to come from a towny, gamesolvey mindset.

so hm yeah. I'm sorry I polluted the thread with fluffy posting at some point, if that's a reason to policy lynch me. :shrug:

[Toranaga]

Where is your justification for claiming on Day 1 without being anywhere close to being lynched?

How is that pro town play?

What are the odds of masons in a 13 person game?

something else about claiming is that I was worried with people losing interest with the game for the long deadline before anyone gets lynched, as you and others claimed it would turn out to be true, and while wagons were divided and people going everywhere, I failed to see how we could decide on a lynch in that case. hardclaiming was a way to take the responsibility of today's lynch for me and maki, move the conversation along from pointless reads into my slot and get a player lynched already. since I backtracked on lynching screenplay and on re-read I think he is more likely to be a villager, it took longer than I expected it to take. right now I'm on tchill but I want to hear maki's thoughts too. I know she is going on the -bad town- read and I think it makes sense, but I'm reading tchill similarly to how dunn is reading tchill now.

[Toranaga]

as for who else I'd lynch:

right now I think wavemode is a very good lynch and would only go there as opposed to tchill right now. I think HWS has had somewhat towny posting, I'm a bit torn on UCV and IAI didn't do enough for me to scum or townread him. so... I would lynch that and maki would approve to, so if that's fine with everyone else it's where I'd go.

[Toranaga]

reading UCV's ISO: could lynch.

so wavemode, UCV, tchill for me. pick your poison.

[Toranaga]

hey mason buddy join me on this :3

I'm sort of townreading dunn but if he is scum I'll be right on with you maybe

Why were you town reading him at this point?

#160 is very good. so is #281. I think #160 specifically is a towny reaction to everything going on in the thread, and the leans reflect my leans reading up the game. #281 is a reads list that also reflect my thoughts at the time, I did change them drastically at some point but the more I read this game, the more I agree with where dunn was heading. my townread on dunn is based on me agreeing with his thoughts in the game mostly, not necessarily him doing anything that's obviously towny.

[Toranaga]

Looking thru beefs iso his vote history is pretty crappy

Odd/tora - multiple votes on a claimed mason
Maki - vote on other claimed mason
Tchill- pretty obv town

That’s it.

More beef votes please.

I don't think tchill is pretty obviously town. and speaking of voting my slot, this is how he backtracked on it:

After reading over oddmusic's later posts, I realized he looks pretty townie. I might be biased though because he thinks I'm town. His backing off srceenplay seems appropriate for the situation.

Which leaves me with Tchill.

VOTE: Tchill

shows that someone is reading and evaluating the game, no? IDK why scum would fake these beef towntells when no one catches up with them.

anyway, would you lynch wavemode this gameday?

[Toranaga]

Town

Tora, Maki, Dunn, Dave

Null

Jodaxq, wave (leaning scum), UCV, srceen, Innocent, HeWhoSwims

Scum

Tchill, Havo

This has been a crazy game. I wish I had some more solid scum reads, but nothing really pings my scumdar strongly. Lots of conflicting signals.

So which is your partner, Dave or Dunn? And which of those null reads is ur other partner?

Love how you scum read Tchill13 and Havo 10 secs after you were agreeing with them that torr might be fake claiming.

VOTE: beef

I mean it's not scummy to agree with someone you might think it's scum.

[Toranaga]

I like that IAI is pushing all these novel reads and I definitely understand the suspicion with dave and dunn. calling me scum a whole lot in his catch up to then realise I'm a claimed mason and then just forget about my slot altogether is towny. but IDK. his pushes on other slots are pinging me cause I see him pushing people for NAI stuff, like 'bad votes'.

re: tchill getting townread. I think it's very possible that a tchill scum partner would like to distance himself from his approach, so I think people who are strong townreading him are more likely either just town or, if scum, not scum with tchill.

[Toranaga]

vote: wavemode

maki is there, jodax is likely to go there so that's a good compromise. I definitely understand why tchill is being townread, I just don't buy it. I've seen the brazen scum act before and it looks like whatever tchill is doing in this game.

[Toranaga]

If you're worth anything as scum you do what scum wouldn't do. That's how you play scum.

just so everyone knows, this is the actual logic tchill is using to scumhunt.

[Toranaga]

Ok I'll try to be sensible here because my play to generate actions and reactions so far has discredited yalls opinions of my reads...Where's the town motivation in what toranaga has done? He replaces into a scum read slot, takes control of the game. Gives reads backs them up. Back tracks on reads. Flip flops on reads. Claims Mason and calls out his partner for literally no reason... I'll be happy to explain why I've done what I've done starting now. I'd like to point out I am not cocky you can check my games and see for yourself, I do not brag about my own play. This is the first game I've done such and boy did it generate some content which is what I was hoping it'd do. Now tell me why toranaga is town and ask me anything.

what reads

all I see is whining and throwing shade tbh.

[Toranaga]

Havo, let's lynch wavemode then

[Toranaga]

I've never seen someone try to take charge but flip on reads so much. Toranaga should be lynched today. That's why you fake claim Mason day 1. Scum would be crazy to do that. That's why you do it.

If you're worth anything as scum you do what scum wouldn't do. That's how you play scum.

I feel like scum would be pretty crazy to put someone at L-1 on page 2 also...

[Toranaga]

it is

[Toranaga]

Lurking isn't the reason for me. What townie can justify a naked reads list on post 125?

why is that scummy? do you think he'd do that to appear towny?

[Toranaga]

wavemode is a low info lynch. since we've talked about my meta im sure you can find a game where i was town and put someone on L-1 at the beginning of the game.

do we agree on any wolf read this game

agree wavemode is low info lynch, who do you suggest instead

and I'm not lynching screenplay

[Toranaga]

stop tunneling me, there are 11 other players for you to read into

well, 10 because maki is my partner

[Toranaga]

ding ding we have a winner. i mean he's definitely gonna get lynched. without me of course.

would you lynch havo instead? that's a high info lynch

[Toranaga]

why lynch havo over me?

I'm imagining a world where you're town

[Toranaga]

If only someone had the guts to hammer we could have a great Day 1.

Logic and reason on Day 1 is a waste of time.

Prod dodge from work.

Well I can see this is going to be another 2 week day 1. SMH.

We were so close. It’s a shame.

Day 1s suck and are almost always a waste of time.

No real useful info is going to come out.

Let’s Lynch scum Screen and start the game off right.

Because it never does. We have just as much chance at catching scum on day 1 by closing our eyes and throwing darts at a board as we do with endless interrogations.

The first one doesn’t bore everyone to death and cause replace outs because the Day has dragged on for 2 weeks.

If we haven’t lynched someone by Friday night, I’ll be glad to eat rope.

I’m only town leaning one person.

Yes. Day 1’s are wonderful.

Tchill do you see a gimmick here

[Toranaga]

about 15% of havo's posts are either complaining of referencing day ones as a waste of time as a justification for the way he is playing

do you see him taking advantage of a thread state and things you've been saying to just push pro-scum shit early?

[Toranaga]

you could have lynched havo without me before this point but you decided to spear head wavemode. why is that?

I'm making a d1 happen. do you not see what I'm doing in this game?

[Toranaga]

alright

vote: tchill

I'll laugh at you when you flip green

I'll find it very very amusing, buddy

[Toranaga]

man you really thought wave was scum.

your read on havo please

[Toranaga]

I think if you're town, he is probably scum

can you see why I think that?

[Toranaga]

I played with both of you. when I played with you, I was scum and replaced out n1 for non-mafia related reasons.

if screenplay is town, don't you find Havo's first posts suspicious?

also, if you had to randomly guess the alignment of someone that wrote this:

UNVOTE:

Screen looks a townier to me now. I was a little thrown by how…weird (at least to me) his reactions seemed, but his later posts seem more natural for town defending himself. (45, 52).

I can maybe see the value of Tchill putting pressure on screenplay, even though I don't like the move to put screen at L-1. I'm not townreading him for it mind, but I don't actually think it's the worst vote on that wagon, plus I agree with Jordaxq's 57.

On the other hand I really don't like Havo so far. I actually do think his vote is the worst on the screenplay wagon (mind you, this was a wagon made up mostly of naked votes so I feel kinda spoiled for choice here). But what really hurts is that his next set of posts have one (joking?) asking for a quicklynch and two more posts without anything really game advancing.

VOTE: Havo

Lol. “Game Advancing”,

What are catch phrases used by scum to lynch townies Alex?

what would it be?

[Toranaga]

If only someone had the guts to hammer we could have a great Day 1.

On second thought, why not try to drum up support with logic and reasoning instead of bullying?

Logic and reason on Day 1 is a waste of time.

do you agree with havo here? do you think it's fair game to hammer someone that signed up for this 2 pages into day 1? you said you made your play for reactions, what do you think of havo's play though? is this for reactions, or just getting someone lynched? what do you think of 'if someone had the guts to hammer'? don't you think this is an invitational for scum to just go 'yolo' on this and hammer? otherwise, when havo uses the word 'guts' here, does it give you the impression he is talking especifically about town players?

[Toranaga]

tchill, when you read someone and your brain goes 'oh look it's an 'i'm town' post', that normally means they're town.

what's the problem with game advancing on page two? do you understand how mafia works, tchill? if you understand how mafia works, you understand what odd meant with 'game advancing'. Havo made no reads and just tried to get someone lynched. those are literally his first posts, read his ISO right now. the first posts before this one where he literally OMGUS the guy for voting him, are just 'let's lynch already' posts.

[Toranaga]

do you think havo is being towny right now?

[Toranaga]

vote: havo

this is such a gimmick. yes havo, I know you think day 1s are crap. your ISO is filled with it. but let's not forget you literally lied about your reads so you could get screenplay lynched. you never explaind why he was scummy. all you did was cast shade at everyone that found you suspicious and post stuff like this:

Good Grief. Can we just Lynch scum Screen already?

just pushing for that mislynch because why wouldn't you, with tchill doing all the heavy work?

you say d1s are a waste of time and we have little chance of catching scum, and yet you're calling screen 'scum screen' every other post when he is close to being lynch. why is that? and where's the explanation for why he is scum? there's no scumhunting here.

[Toranaga]

ok. so havo wanted to lynch screen on pg 2 to create a negotiable event due to the lynch of a player and to bring forth night actions. we want to lynch wavemode on pg 37. "lurking" is our reason. Preserving townies do not win town this game. If lurking is what we came up with screen has just as much a chance on pg 2 to flip scum has wavemode does on pg 36. townies will die, people will have to go through the awful, terrible sign up process. it'll be ok toranaga. i'll need a better reason than lurking on pg 37... sorry. even lynching me would be better. i'll literally lynch anyoneevery time that early. youve made me wait though so now im gonna need that magical reason that pops up after we have hit a certain pg count on day 1 and lurking isnt it.

vote: havo

lynch this then

[Toranaga]

tchill stop scumsiding for one second if you're town

[Toranaga]

Well crap. There’s currently no mini games available for sign up. I might have to play one of them damn themed games next.

^^^ howling

not hard to see

[Toranaga]

your reason for voting havo is hot poo. i had not done"heavy work" up to that point yet. havo was supposed to have hard TRs and SRs before pg 108. what kind of utter garbage is this?

if he was not supposed to have hard SRs, why was he calling screen 'scum screen'?

[Toranaga]

*puts palm on face, gives up*

if you're town, you should.

[Toranaga]

2 reasons to lynch havo based on literally one word. good scum hunting man.

how was it one word? I'm talking about his entire play through different posts here. in the beginning he just voted screen and called him scum, at least you had the courtesy of not calling anyone confscum like that. when pressured, all he did was blame day 1s. there's a good chunk of havo's posts that are just about how much day 1s suck. he is using that right now to defend himself from accusation.

how is it one word lol. I'm handing you havo here and you're saying 'nope that's not good enough toranaga is a wolf because he changes his reads and is mean to me'. wake up tchill.

[Toranaga]

Ok. Pushed me for L-1. - yes, that's atrocious play. you should be ashamed.
Threw or agreed with shade against me for my screen compliment in another game, - not me!
pushed me for high horse attitude. - I didn't! you do have one, and it's pathetic. I'm not saying it's scummy.

[Toranaga]

havo could you please self vote so I get enough numbers to put this lynch through

[Toranaga]

thanks mate!

[Toranaga]

if you MAKE SENSE
AND LOOK TOWNY

YOU'RE SCUM

LIKE

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alright done for the day

[Toranaga]

wave you're a breath of fresh air

sorry about that wagon

[Toranaga]

Uhhhhh I'm not getting lynched in this game for focusing on school (just earned my associates degree btw, you should congratulate me)

Scum if you want me you're going to have to kill me, sorry

also, UNVOTE:

I am glad I waited for your return. Congratulations on the associates.

you're the best beef

[Toranaga]

and agree with your case on UCV. would lynch.

[Toranaga]

would yall rather me replace out? since im insane of course. ok i'll replace out if we lynch one of those 3 today and they're town. fair?

I'd rather you replace out yes

[Toranaga]

vote: UC Voyager

[Toranaga]

lynch havo next gameday

and then lynch tchill cause he deserves it d3

and then who knows

but I'm deadset on UC and Havo being scum right now, and it has the tchill seal of approval cause he thinks the cases against them are shit

[Toranaga]

Odd's post I quoted points to screen town odd scum. Look at the buddying toranaga has done to me after he attacked me for putting someone at L -1. Making sure to let everyone know he thinks I'm town despite my play. Making sure that everyone knows I'm the worst player know site but it's OK because toranaga understands how terrible I am based off one game alone and all the post games I've ever been in... At the same time. Like seriously. Toranaga is scum and I'll vote screen and he'll flip town if that's what it takes for me to show yall.

just putting this here

[Toranaga]

when I was wagoning screen I was scum and screen was town

now that I'm not, screen is scum again but now I'm scum with him anyway and everything else was distancing

whatever I do I'm scum and I'm mislynching

[Toranaga]

VOTE: Toranaga

UNVOTE:

votes tor, drunk posts then unvotes tor for little to no reason.

I claimed a masonry between his vote and his unvote I think

that seems like a reason

[Toranaga]

I’ve aleays been 100% at the end of D1. Its my meta

I’m done for the rest of the day.
Peace

so we should lynch you then

if your meta is being 100% right at the end of D1, why are you voting a town mason?

oops

^

screenplay left for the day, then I claimed my masonry in my next post so no, he wouldn't necessarily unvote cause he didn't necessarily read that at the time

you're wrong that it was without a reason. so what else do you want?

[Toranaga]

tchill, if you're town, think of the possibility, as remote as you believe it is right now, that I'm actually town masons with maki instead of scum with maki; and that you're the only one that thinks differently because it's only you that's wrong, and not everybody else that's wrong and you're right.

this d1 was so bad I don't think you should be still alive in lylo. but you have the chance to redeem yourself and gain some perspective in this game by reading other people's thoughts in it. if you're town, you're working very hard to convince yourself you're right that I'm scum. now try to convince yourself of the opposite. think of this game with the perspective that I'm town and maki is town:

you're now working with a 10 person POE and you need to find the 3 scum players.

knowing that me and maki are town, you could probably sheep those townreads on screenplay and beefster? let's take them out of the POE for now. ok now you have 8 players in front of you: jodax, havo, HWS, dave, dunn, IAI, UCV, wave. you townread wave and so do I, so no wave. AFAIK we're both townreading jodax? I may have some reservations, but don't think she should be lynched at any point here until d4 or something, and that's with some implicating flips against her.

so now you have havo, who you have a null and I have a scum lean on. dave, who you read scum before and I think he is towny. HWS I'm starting to townread, and you never voted him when I tried to wagon so I take you're townreading them. dunn wants to lynch you, maybe you want to lynch him too. maki knows dunn very well, they share a hydra together. she is very suspicious of him! maybe I should sheep her? and IAI I'm sort of null on, and I think you are as well. I think I enjoyed recent posting of his.... and then UCV, who maybe you're null on, but I'm very strong scumreading UCV and I played a lot with this guy already so maybe my read here is good?

anyway, so taking your reads and my reads, if we both decide to read the game with the perspective that all 3 of us are town, would you like this guess as a wolfteam:

havo
dunn
UCV

imagine a world in which this is the actual scum team. just go there with your mind a little, see how you like it.

[Toranaga]

Tchill I can be extremely patient with you as long as you give me reasons to believe you're town. I know you can do it man.

[Toranaga]

I just want everyone to know #1032 was the hardest I ever tried to pull someone from certain lynch

[Toranaga]

you do understand you're a policy lynch after me or maki gets NKed right? snap out of it

[Toranaga]

there's no endgame for scum!tchill doing this and I don't think anyone can be this unaware as scum. what happens d2 after one of us flips n1? is tchill really doing this as opportunistic scum who is looking for a mislynch? is a d1 mason claim mislynch bait for scum to pile on?

just throwing these questions out there. I see tchill avoiding certain wagons. he didn't go to HWS, he didn't go to wavemode. take havo for instance, he was on every wagon I suggested and others: screenplay both times, HWS, wavemode. honestly, when he showed up and self voted and said d1s are stupid for the 1000th time, I felt he was lock outed scum. it was slimy ass posting.

if you compare tchill's early game with havo, tchill is interacting and casting shade in a pro-active manner. havo had mimmicky, but different behaviour. havo isn't pushing people, he is talking to a crowd. 'I wish someone had the guts!', he says. when Havo starts pushing people, it's all OMGUSy, apart from the screenplay vote. It's definitely scummier than tchill.

[Toranaga]

The Day breaks and you notice somepony is missing

Jodaxq has been killed. She was

Spoiler:

Town Doctor

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Day ends in (expired on 2018-01-03 12:51:49)

RIP jodax

[Toranaga]

The Day breaks and you notice somepony is missing

Jodaxq has been killed. She was

Spoiler:

Town Doctor

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Day ends in (expired on 2018-01-03 12:51:49)

RIP jodax

@Tor & Maki.

Since “Amazingly” scum didn’t kill one of you last night, it’s time for
You to step up and lead town to scum today.

You’re 0 for 1.

that's true

what's your read on tchill and dave

[Toranaga]

If they're scum they have to explain why they weren't killed as conftown masons. They could CLAIM they (screen,tora or maki) vigged jodax. Which would lead town to believe that the scum kill got blocked because the protective used their night action on the claimed masons.

wut