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Hi Archwing, good to see you again. Do you have any initial impressions from the other players?
I'm leaning Rask, Maki town; And Gamma, Cedrick scummy.
I feel the interactions between Rask and Maki were pretty natural and carefree, in a way that I think scum can't easily pretend to behave.
I do agree that Maki has played her claim optimally, under the assumption that she is indeed the miller. I also agree that it is still best for town to sort her in a similar fashion to other slots, rather than giving her a free pass for the claim alone. With both the claim and her behaviour, I'm inclined to lean town.
I feel Rask has made a few insightful comments, like wanting to see slots interact that would have a greater ability to read each other (in reference to him wanting to see Kokichi and Maki interact). This isn't a strong read but enough for me to town lean at this stage of the game.
Gamma, on rereading, pinged me with his statements about him sorting, without any evidence he is doing so. I believe scum are more likely to care about how they appear to others so blank statements like "I was trying to be a jester, but then had to try and solve this game" are more likely to come from scum. Rather than saying you're solving, town are more likely to solve and have people recognise their intent as a by-product. I also didn't like the way he non-chalently jumped on my StefanB vote without adding anything new to my perspective.
Cedrick, I love the jokes but on rereading all your posts so far have been fluff. Bahumbug.-
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Hi Stefan, I may be misinterpreting your playstyle as LAMIST (Not lame). I'm happy to watch you a bit longer.In post 58, StefanB wrote:Wh4t, GE: Interesting that LAME (which I don't disagree with I am not funny) is the point you are stresing.
And you don't think that the question why Maki is a miller could give us some hint about the scumteam?
I don't understand what the point of asking a player "why they received their role" is? If scum or town I don't see how a response would be AI for you. How would it hint about a scumteam?
It's pretty obvious why a miller would be in the mix and I think it would be anti-town to delve further into that discussion.
On that note.
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Hi Brass, could you please clarify this statement? Do you disagree that "fluff posts" are a valid reason to scum read someone at this stage of the game; or do you believe it is wrong to scum read Cedrick based on "fluff" according to his meta? Or?In post 65, brassherald wrote:I disagree on a Cedrick read based on all fluff posts-
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I missed this, apologies. I'll interpret that as "there isn't enough content to genuinely read this player."In post 66, brassherald wrote:
Clarifying, I think Cedrick is Null right now. Not a townlean or a scum lean after 4 posts.In post 65, brassherald wrote:Mr overachiever here can be a townlean.
And, I disagree on a Cedrick read based on all fluff posts, but Gamma's vote onto Stefan basically just sheeping another player seems kind of out of character from what I've seen Gamma do as town.
VOTE: Gamma
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I suppose it was a roundabout way of saying I believe it's more efficient to be proactive in handling a low-content slot rather than just labeling someone as "unreadable."In post 69, brassherald wrote:you'll have to tell me, I can't speak for your thinking.
To make sense of this, are you saying Brass may be a Policy Lynch because he is awkward? If so, why would awkwardness = Policy Lynch?In post 70, Archwing wrote:all I know is that brassherald might be a PL, apparently he can be awkward af, so be wary i suppose?
I'll certainly take your read of his playstyle into account.
I think this assumption is a bit of a stretch. Sure RVS posting starts out all fun and games however, we're now up to four pages of content which need to be analysed for anything remotely AI. If you believe that all RVS content is not AI, then it would logically follow that games would never leave the RVS phase.In post 71, Cedrick wrote:Why do you have a very high expectation of rvs posting?
In comparison to other slots that have posted, I'll say yours is the one with the least game-relevant AI content.
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Gamma, skimming over your past games I see that you get scum read quite frequently as town. Why do you think that is?
Pedit Cedrick, you've proved 1 of your posts are non-fluff and I'm not even entirely convinced that set-up spec should qualify as something game-progressing, but I'll be generous. Naming a clown absolutely does not count as AI content. Apologies if you feel I've misrepped you. I'm feeling your response is genuine.-
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In post 43, Cedrick wrote:
Did you hear about the human cannonball? He got fired!In post 39, StefanB wrote:Interesting that no one else really reacted to it. But one was interesting:
Most people don't really react to miller claims anymore. Most people believe proper play is to claim it in your opening post and it's mentioned on the wiki. The best thing to do is just ignore it and treat him like any other player since the miller claim is not verifiable (at least not by a cop)
I don't even have words to express myself right now.In post 104, Cedrick wrote:
What do you call a woman falling in love with a carnie? Juggle FeverIn post 98, Archwing wrote:Chronological progression:
Someone claims Miller
People talk about it
Someone refs wiki which states optimal play
Beefster says claiming Miller was bad
And now there is nothing worth weighing in on?
I said I was gonna lie low but fuck sakes.
Not that it matters, I don’t recal anyone saying it’s optimal play to do that.
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This is a bad post on many levels. First, he's overdefensive when called out for neglecting the Beefster wagon. Rather than making excuses for not contributing, it would make more sense to sort Arch and Beefster based on the interactions. Secondly, he resorts to ad hominem/insulting the player instead of responding to the current argument. Third, I believe Brass is more intelligent than his post gives him credit for. I mean, "where does that really get us?" Really?In post 100, brassherald wrote:
So, he's stupid. I could have called him stupid for saying it right there, but where does that really get us?In post 98, Archwing wrote:Chronological progression:
Someone claims Miller
People talk about it
Someone refs wiki which states optimal play
Beefster says claiming Miller was bad
And now there is nothing worth weighing in on?
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You're not me, but feel free to keep your mouth shut anyway.In post 113, Cedrick wrote:You think you proved something but you didn’t. I’d probably keep my mouth shut also if I were you.-
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I still like my town reads. I'll add Kokichi to the pile too. I was tempted to add Arch, but I'm more hesitant now.In post 140, Raskolnikov wrote:I figured out why this game feels a little weird. Usually there's both scumhunting and townhunting/cohesion, but here it's like all scumhunting.
What do you make of Archwing's behaviour on this page?
Pedit isn't rolefishing based on role titles virtually impossible in a non-breakable set-up?-
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Hi Kiana. Efficient, I like it. I can agree with your Arch and StefanB reads. The Rask read seems a little biased from the start in regards to his opening RVS vote on Maki; your deduction based on that, I initially thought was in jest, however you seem to have built on it looking for reasons for scum Rask more so than town Rask. I do agree that his hard town read of me was suspicious but in the context of his ISO I still lean town overall. Perhaps you're more familiar with him?
I moved my vote to Cedrick to get a reaction and I'm growing more convinced that he is heavily confirmation biased town. So I can agree with that read too.
I find it odd that you have not weighed in on the content from Maki and Brass so far.
I'm happy to vote Arch later in the day if nothing changes but I'm remiss to vote the only person familiar with me right now.
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How is any of this fake though? I feel like you're shutting me down for scum hunting. Since when is there such a thing as "too early for scum hunting?"In post 185, Cedrick wrote:
A ham sandwich walks into a bar and orders a beer. Bartender says, 'Sorry we don't serve food here.'"In post 154, Raskolnikov wrote:
Can you be more specificIn post 130, Cedrick wrote:Some people are way too eager and it feels fake.
Sure. Wh4 has an unrealistic expectation of what posts on page 1/2 should look like and votes somebody for fluff posting. That looks to eager to me.
You are expecting people to have a bunch of reads on page 5. That is also unrealistic to me and seems eager.
You also neglect to mention others who are sorting from the start. I suppose my playstyle rubs you the wrong way, and the feeling is mutual, but it doesn't make either of us scum.-
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That's quite the metaphor lol.In post 191, Kiana Kaslana wrote:Do you not find suspicious the fact that Raskol scumreads Beefster for asking about Ronald Mcdonald but turns a blind eye to Stefan (coincidentally, a scumread of mine too) who blatantly rolefishes for both flavour and role?
It's like yelling at the person who just farted in the room but completely ignoring that hobo taking a poop on the floor.
It can see how it's suspicious however I feel he's making the same mistake that Cedrick is making by only sorting interactions that involve him directly.
So, StefanB got my attention straight away as I came into the game a bit later and so was assessing everything while catching up. Rask was interacting real time with others, Maki in particular, and could have brushed it off as early RVS fluff content. The "role-fish" read from Beefster was directed at him so he was more likely to assess that post IMO.
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Overly aggressive? Can you please give examples? I've tried to be fair when appropriate. Are anyone's reads not subjective?In post 193, BuJaber wrote:W4 seemed too tryhard to be scum at first but some of his pushes seem overly aggressive and based on his subjective interpretation. Scumlean.
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In post 136, Maki Harukawa wrote:
Because you voted him for reasons that were outright false. I assume you're playing dumb though.In post 135, Kokichi Oma wrote:How was my vote weird, Maki?In post 146, Maki Harukawa wrote:
He said. "you claimed not town"In post 137, Kokichi Oma wrote:Nope! He put words in my mouth. I asked a question, never claimed it. If he really thought I claimed it he would have voted me.
and you did
I obv know you're kidding but maybe he didn't what am I missing
Hi Maki,In post 148, Maki Harukawa wrote:No idea what you're talking about.
When you feel like talking sense and not blatant lies let me know
Your interactions with Kokichi are difficult to interpret. In each post you seem to imply that he is gambitting with his opening and the push on Arch was bad, yet when he doubles down on why he was in fact serious about the vote, you just call him a liar and let it be.
When I look at Kokichi again, he's not as strong a town read as I previously thought. It pinged me that he echoed the phrase Cedrick used "putting words in his mouth" to cast shade on Arch (if Arch is town). Further, I find it uncharacteristic that he did not challenge my town read of him, which I intentionally did not elaborate on like my other town reads.
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In post 297, Archwing wrote:pedit. yo, koki is probably town. just stop with this shit.
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I have no idea how Kaito is a town read to anyone.
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What are you referencing here Stefan? Sorry the thread is quite active ATM.In post 298, StefanB wrote:Maki, Ras, Wh4t, everyone else who pops up:
What do you think about Gammas reaction to the whole think?
Scum not paying attention/misinterpretting this or town who sees thinks differently.
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I'm discussing Maki's town read on Dunnstral. The game name I can't remember off the top of my head but Maki and Kokichi were also in that game, Dunnstral was scum with Drealmerz and somene else beginning with D. I'll dig it up.In post 316, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Who is this talking about? and which game?In post 315, Wh4t wrote:I recall a game I read, where he lurked until LyLo and then started acting serious closer to the time. He ended up being scum in that game, so I'm hesitant to take someone's town read off of two posts at face value. I'm not advocating a lynch on him as it stands, there are worse slots.-
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Mini 1966In post 319, Wh4t wrote:
I'm discussing Maki's town read on Dunnstral. The game name I can't remember off the top of my head but Maki and Kokichi were also in that game, Dunnstral was scum with Drealmerz and somene else beginning with D. I'll dig it up.In post 316, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Who is this talking about? and which game?In post 315, Wh4t wrote:I recall a game I read, where he lurked until LyLo and then started acting serious closer to the time. He ended up being scum in that game, so I'm hesitant to take someone's town read off of two posts at face value. I'm not advocating a lynch on him as it stands, there are worse slots.-
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Off topic: You should youtube danganropa it will blow your mind and, you'll understand where Kokichi and Maki got their avatars from.In post 322, Archwing wrote:alt, main, acct, whatever.
the number of anime accounts is too damn high!
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Arch once you've educated yourself about psychopathic teddy bears, can you please respond to this?In post 303, Wh4t wrote:In post 297, Archwing wrote:pedit. yo, koki is probably town. just stop with this shit.
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Comments in bold above. I'm town reading you and starting to lean town on Gamma also.In post 327, StefanB wrote:Gamma: Okay doki.
I begin with 261: Kokichi appears, offers not much. Disappears.
Your vote and unvote:
Makes not much sense to me. The vote is okay, the unvote is a bit more unsure. (263,264)
** I feel scum would be too self-conscious to do that.**
Brass: I accept that vote. Not much of an opinion on it.
Our discusion:
I can see where someone get the litteral expresion re the Archwing-Kokichi, I still can't see how you got to your interpretation of the interaction between Kokichi-Maki. This why I am asking people.
**I'm inclined to believe you're misinterpreting each other here**
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I agree with Gamma's read. I did talk about my hesitation around her approach to Kokichi.In post 329, StefanB wrote:Wh4t: The discusion between Archwing-Kokichi and Maki is the beginning.
Gamma read on Maki was
my question was if this was belivable.Maki is kinda half and half, don't like them doubling down on someone's mistake,-
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I can see where you're coming from Rask, I'm not confident enough that Arch is town to start pursuing those pushing his wagon just yet.In post 326, Raskolnikov wrote:In post 286, Raskolnikov wrote:VOTE: kiana
Was going to wait for response first but I have mixed feelings on arch wagon.
Feels like overexaggerating reads and really trying to get hard judgments where it doesn't feel realistic. There is some complexity to her credit but I'm not feeling it as genuine.
I'll agree that Kiana's method, while efficient, is somewhat narrow in scope. It's not a bad starting point. I'll see how it goes.-
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Can you help me out with what your readslist looks like?In post 337, Archwing wrote:bad list is bad-
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BuJaber bothers me because he seemed to be pandering to Kiana on his entrance e.g. his read on Stefan. It also bothered me that he had me as his only scum lean, yet he voted for Rask (again following Kiana's lead) for something he termed strange. When I pushed him to explain his scum read on me, he talked to me from the perspective he knew I was town. I mean, telling someone that their playstyle is "aggressive" and that it's not the best way to get responses from others is not a valid reason to scumread someone even if accurate. It felt like he was trying quite unnaturally to be reasonable to both me and those reading his posts (200,201). I find both his intent and approach suspect towards me.In post 340, Archwing wrote:town to scum,
{archwing}
{bujaber, koki, stef}
{cedrick, maki}
{wh4t, gamma, brass, kaito, beef} ****
{kiana, rask}
* = null line. above it are slight townleans, nothing more.
In regards to Arch, he called him too scummy and reasoned that he must but a jester; however when Gamma pointed out that Jesters do not exist in this set-up, he said thanks but neglected to readjust his read of you.
In summary, so far it's all trying to look good and busy without actually doing anything I'd consder towny.
In fact I'm more confident in my BuJaber read than I am of my read on you.
VOTE: BuJaber
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Do you think they're bussing or are you just looking at their individual scumminess?In post 340, Archwing wrote:{kiana, rask}-
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I'm such a derp. I thought there were only two scum, until I analysed the VC and realised that doesn't make sense from a balance perspective.
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Too many micros.In post 365, Gamma Emerald wrote:
y thoIn post 361, Wh4t wrote:I'm such a derp. I thought there were only two scum, until I analysed the VC and realised that doesn't make sense from a balance perspective.
InB4 everyone scumreads me for a fake town tell.
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Spicy read: BuJaber/Brass/Cedrick scum team.
Kokichi can go back to being town. I'm flip flopping on Arch. I can see where he came from, but I think he made a few missteps as he doesn't seem to do well under pressure. I think it's too early to call the mob on him just yet but I admit I may be biased with my earlier experience of him. I hesitate because his readslist is a little more controversial than I'd expect of scum.-
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I reISO'd looking for others who also, meaning as well as BuJaber, were trying to look busy without substance. The VCA fits right, along with the lack of interactions between these slots.In post 368, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Why thos elast 2?In post 367, Wh4t wrote:Spicy read: BuJaber/Brass/Cedrick scum team.
Kokichi can go back to being town. I'm flip flopping on Arch. I can see where he came from, but I think he made a few missteps as he doesn't seem to do well under pressure. I think it's too early to call the mob on him just yet but I admit I may be biased with my earlier experience of him. I hesitate because his readslist is a little more controversial than I'd expect of scum.
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If I break down Arch's readlist with game interactions I draw the following conclusions:In post 340, Archwing wrote:town to scum,
{archwing}
{bujaber, koki, stef}
{cedrick, maki}
{wh4t, gamma, brass, kaito, beef} ****
{kiana, rask}
* = null line. above it are slight townleans, nothing more.
Koki cannot be a buddy.
Stefan is not a likely buddy. (224)
Cedrick is not a likely buddy. (122)
Gamma is unlikely but possible. (267)
Brass is not a likely buddy (197,265)
Kiana cannot be a buddy.
That leaves Rask who could potentially be a scum buddy, and that doesn't take into account that Arch is currently voting to lynch him. Who really knows what Beef and Kaito are thinking.
So unless we're willing to accept some combination of {Arch, Rask, Beef, Kaito} or believe scum are bussing; I'm thinking Arch is more likely lost town when looking solely through this perspective.-
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Oh, I omitted BuJaber as a likely buddy.In post 193, BuJaber wrote:I really think arch is jester here. He's just too scummy.-
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A few of Kiana's reasons to scum read you were founded on bias, and thus not as strong a reason. I don't see a reason for Scum Kiana to come in, build a case and then vote her buddy. If she had been here from the start and decided she scum read him when others did then that would be feasable. IME scum pushes are usually pretty weak/baseless/unnatural. I can see why people are suspicious of Arch currently.In post 390, Raskolnikov wrote:You know, I wouldn't go as far as saying kiana arch is cleared because arch put kiana low in his list and kiana voted arch. If anything kiana had more reasons to vote me.-
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In post 436, Kiana Kaslana wrote:Mate, I really do not care if my scumreads vote on me. Weird that you have to make an exaggerated theatric to publically call for your buddy to vote me, that suggests scum do not have daytalk. That makes the game easier for us, I guess.
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Hi BuJaber,
What are your thoughts on the few posts proceeding yours? 433 - 436 - 440
Specifically what do you think of Kiana accusing Rask of being "theatrical" when he was asking for support for his wagon on her, which then lead her to "assume" that the scum team didn't have daychat?
Do you believe it was a genuine town tell in that scum should know if there is daychat or not? Could it be fabricated?
Next, what do you make of her not responding to my correction?
If she doesn't readjust her read on Rask and, admit the improbability that Arch and Rask are a scumteam based on her providing evidence that they aren't likely communicating via daychat, would you find that scummy?
Let me know if you would appreciate a response to your post, I see it as a waste of time at this point but I'll be happy to if it matters to others.-
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Call me pessimistic. Associations are generally only useful post-flip. I'm hoping town looks back at the links if Arch is lynched and I die.In post 449, brassherald wrote:Wh4t is looking for associations but I don't ever really follow them to anything useful
The associations Kiana unwittingly pointed out between Rask and Arch matter for her own scum reads, and for us to read her off of.
I posted 1 minute after her last post, in the midst of her to-and-fro with Rask so, yes, I find it odd that everybody seemed to log off after I brought it up.In post 453, BuJaber wrote:Do you have reason to think she checked the thread after you corrected her?
And yes please respond to my post why wouldn't you? Dialogue leads to better reads and more content for everyone else to analyze.
I wouldn't respond because it would just be me disagreeing, defending myself and looking for holes that point to you being scum in return. I feel like I've said my piece and you've said yours. It's up to others what they think. What better way to avoid a boring 1v1 than to bounce reads off of each other instead? Seems more efficient to me.
I've provided more dialogue than I think people care to read at this point. On that note, I'll let the thread breathe for a day or so.-
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I know I said I would let the thread breathe but the likelihood of an early lynch is ringing alarm bells. Yes, everyone has very valid points in response to Kiana's scumhunting tactics this game, however I can't help but be suspicious of both Gamma and Cedric in regards to their approach to the wagon.
Gamma has added fuel to both fires now (please check his ISO). First he egged on the Arch wagon and now he's egging on the Kiana wagon. I find his method disingenuous in that he doesn't seem to care about responses to his pushes; he seems to care more about presenting accusations instead AKA scum shading. Gamma seems pretty certain about scum Kiana but has not voted. Actions speak louder than words after all. It's as if he's a vulture circling and waiting for the best prey.
I feel Cedrick, as town, has no business coming in and dropping a vote on an escalating wagon when he hasn't yet caught up in the thread. It feels very opportunistic and wreckless at best, to vote without all the information when VLA on a wagon that could potentially go through before his return. I see no natural progression on his Kiana vote, or of his town reads of Gamma/Arch to dignify sheeping them so confidently.
VOTE: Gamma Emerald
BuJaber, IME my meta on Gamma is not very good. I've found his playstyle tends to change a lot as either alignment. I will say that he is an easy mislynch so I do hesitate on scum reading him more than other slots as I hinted at earlier in the game. Now I feel I've seen at least two cases of scummy behaviour towards building wagons. I also dislike his clever set up for another lynch of you should Arch flip town lol.
In regards to Arch, I keep flip flopping. We both played our first MS game together and that's all the meta I have on him, so I can't decide if he's just making misteps and lacks confidence under pressure or if he's scummy. I have said I will lynch Arch if he is the main wagon at day end.
What do you make of their behaviour on these last few pages?
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I'm mystified and slightly offended that Kaito is such a strong town read for you. Can you please elaborate on that read?In post 528, BuJaber wrote:Gamma Emerald, Raskolnikov, Kokichi Oma
Cedrick, Wh4t, Archwing
StefanB, brassherald, Beefster
Kaito Momota, Maki Harukawa, Kiana Kaslana-
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I'm mystified and slightly offended that Kaito is such a strong town read for you. Can you please elaborate?In post 528, BuJaber wrote:Gamma Emerald, Raskolnikov, Kokichi Oma
Cedrick, Wh4t, Archwing
StefanB, brassherald, Beefster
Kaito Momota, Maki Harukawa, Kiana Kaslana-
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This is a valid point. I still think Arch will be a great information flip either way.In post 593, BuJaber wrote:Also brass voted and asked to be replaced maybe wait for the replacement before ending day please?
UNVOTE: L-2
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Great posting Hiraki.
I go hard day 1 because I'm pessimistic about my chances of living further down the track. A Kiana/Bu team makes sense, as does a Arch/Rask team IMO and realistically those two teams are mutually exclusive.
I feel like BuJaber wouldn't have been so open to proactive discussion and reevaluating his read on me if he were scum. I feel the same about Kiana. Maki has played the miller claim optimally and I don't see how it would be worth the risk for scum to claim miller into a closed set-up from the start.
I read intent (not tone as you said in your catch up post), and both Cedrick and Gamma are pinging me from that perspective as a potential 3rd in either team.
Anyway, on with the show.
VOTE: Archwing L-1-
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Slightly irrelevant but what does this mean? How have things turned out? I'd hypothesize that there would be better chances for town in the following day phases with more information available.In post 625, Hiraki wrote:Going this hard into that on D1, Page 25ish has had less than great results in the past.-
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I backed off because you had a point about me going for you too early. Since then you've done nothing to sort others and you've made a horribly opportunitic vote on Kiana. Feel free to prove me wrong by contributing to the game in some meaningful way.In post 630, Cedrick wrote:I had a dream that I was a muffler last night. I woke up exhausted!"
Wh4. Anytime you want explain this weird read you have on me go right ahead. You came in with some weird obsession. You backed off when I made you look bad and now it’s back.
Tunneling me is hazardous to your health, especially when you don’t have any reason to. You’ve been obsessed with me and it’s super scummy.-
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You're not proving me wrong by continuing to defend yourself. That's awesome that you're reading a book about anti-gravity however don't be surprised if you're VLA and yet have time to read the game, place reckless votes; but you don't have time to give reads/thoughts.
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I have tried really hard not to get into 1v1s this game but I'm not letting you accuse me of such OTT things.
1. You are responsible for a lynch if you voted for it.In post 634, Cedrick wrote:Like he really was implying that if kian got lynched when i was on v/la it would somehow be my responsibility. What kind of BS is that?
He thinks he’s a cool kid but he’s really a bully. Attacking people who he thinks are easy targets. He’ll get his eventually.
2. This is pure AtE. You don't know what I think. Calling me a bully is crossing the line. If you're town, you're making yourself a victim.-
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Ok good, you've made your mind up and there's no need to pursue further discussion with you.In post 637, Cedrick wrote:Your thought process isn’t town. Hasn’t been from the beginning. I’m sorry you rolled scum. I’m even more sorry you played your hand wrong.
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