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Chara's 22 but it turns out I did, indeed, miss something.In post 29, skitter30 wrote:
what was this referring to?In post 26, Papa Zito wrote:Am I missing something
My internet connection is out at home so I was reading this on mobile. I dunno why people actually prefer tiny screens to desktops with keyboards.
roflIn post 31, minhyukwithagun wrote:There's too many words here :/KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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What if I liked it tho.In post 148, Chara wrote:Persivul needs to be lynched for calling Zito Papa.
Behold, Enter sits at 4 votes. Yea verily, the future is an open book to one who has trodden the path.
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ohoIn post 168, Xtoxm wrote:
I acknowledge this post. VC 1.5 looks correct.In post 164, Enter wrote:@mod, you missed oneIn post 160, Varsoon wrote:Also, I wanna make something fairly clear.
VOTE: Varsoon
This should clear things up for Chara, at least.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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What's your issue here exactly?In post 217, Chara wrote:VOTE: Fish
this is more fun, actually. for 48 and the next three posts in his ISO.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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Yeah I'm just kindof an ass, call it becoming jaded watching people do things over 10 years, apologies in advance.
From what I can tell I'm on the same wavelength with His Majesty the King on most everything, which scares me a little bit.
I also don't wanna kill Chara yet which is a new an exciting experience.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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We played together in this game which was a lot longer ago than I thought hmm.In post 258, Enter wrote:Have you played w/ Chara before?
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In other news this seems like the sort of game where the mod would give us an all - town hood (but wouldn't tell us for the purpose of balance), so once we get a little more concrete in our reads, I'm ok w/ using hood chat again.
If we get a red flip from the hood crew I'm fine going back there but until then it may as well be Chernobyl.
In other news Robert2424 continues to be inscrutable, I'd appreciate some help increasing his scrutableness.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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That's Persivul's title.In post 262, skitter30 wrote:
sorry, who is this?In post 257, Papa Zito wrote:From what I can tell I'm on the same wavelength withHis Majesty the Kingon most everything, which scares me a little bit.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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What does this mean exactly?In post 270, Enter wrote:1. Lynch outside hood to see if it comes up red (if so, and we can draw conclusions that the other is red, then inside is green)
I'm dumb, use small words.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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Yo I'd still like an answer here por favor.In post 273, Papa Zito wrote:
What does this mean exactly?In post 270, Enter wrote:1. Lynch outside hood to see if it comes up red (if so, and we can draw conclusions that the other is red, then inside is green)
I'm dumb, use small words.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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So I'm reading this as Enter somehow knowing there are 2 scum in the game.In post 298, Enter wrote:we suspect the other person outside the neighborhood is the other scum
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Guess I was just jumping at shadows.
This is a goddamn travesty.In post 300, Xtoxm wrote:
Why in the world would you lean town on that slot. As a reminder, minyu's last post was:In post 320, Chara wrote:i'm townleaning minyu.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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whatIn post 329, mcqueen wrote:
?In post 240, Papa Zito wrote:As the neighborhood seems to serve little purpose, I suggest we simply don't use it so that there's no confusion about what's being said where.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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McQueen has the most posts in the thread. Why are you still voting him?In post 491, Robert2424 wrote:My reasoning was his inactivity.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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Which setup were you thinking of?In post 455, Enter wrote:
I was thinking about a different setup at the time.In post 454, Chara wrote:
right, you did reply.In post 302, Enter wrote:I guess there could be three? IDK, what makes sense here?
i'd guess three based on pure numbers. what made you think two?KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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I don't think it makes sense to do so at this point.In post 563, Varsoon wrote:
Wanna share with the class?In post 558, Papa Zito wrote:Aha. That answers it for me, thanks.
I have 3 good scumreads and a Super Secret Pocket Scumread + a handful of good townreads, this is gr8.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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Let's pretend I'm not. Illuminate me.In post 574, Robert2424 wrote:
Are you paying attention?In post 555, Papa Zito wrote:
McQueen has the most posts in the thread. Why are you still voting him?In post 491, Robert2424 wrote:My reasoning was his inactivity.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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.In post 581, Robert2424 wrote:Why you trying to say my vote on Mcqueen was same reasons as my reasons as my reasoning for voting Redtea earlyeir.
Ok, let's go through this step by step.
Here you vote Mcqueen for "policy." You're asked about what policy means.
In post 459, Robert2424 wrote:Naked votes are lack of effort and scummy.
So here you're saying what the policy is and why. Note that you're continuing to talk about Mcqueen here. Redtea is not mentioned.In post 467, Robert2424 wrote:Because more often then not its a scum tactic, Happened in a recent game and I'm not going to change my mind simply cause you vote me. Surprise surprise who flipped scum that game too....
Here you defend again. And again, no mention of redtea.In post 469, Robert2424 wrote:I voted for activity, there is a difference.
Now suddenly you're trying to say we're talking about redtea? Hello?In post 581, Robert2424 wrote:Why you trying to say my vote on Mcqueen was same reasons as my reasons as my reasoning for voting Redtea earlyeir.
Explain why your vote remains on Mcqueen.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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You mean you didn't have an @ for me?In post 632, Elbirn wrote:Why the Robert scumread? I feel as though he's about to be the low-content, low-charisma, "Who is this guy again, oh shit deadline we need a lynch uhhh byebye" Day 1 obligatory mislynch. I don't see content worth scumreading, he's just sortofhere. Share your vision with me bbz
I kinda answered this on the previous page:
I can expand on this, I suppose.In post 615, Papa Zito wrote:There's nothing gut about it. Show me one redeeming post from that slot. One nugget that promotes a town agenda.
1. This slot has not engaged with the game in any meaningful way whatsoever.
2. This slot has not provided any information to the game whatsoever.
3. This slot has dodged attempts to make it do 1 or 2.
You could simply chalk that up standard Vi play sure, but let me ask you this: When this pattern repeats on Day 2, what will you do about it? Day 3? Day 4? How excited will you be to stand next to Robert in Lylo? Because I guarantee you, if this guy does happen to be town, he'll be there.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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I'm jealous. How is it?In post 636, Chara wrote:i'm playing kingdom hearts. you should understand that this momentous occasion takes precedence.
What's your plan to get that slot sorted?In post 639, Elbirn wrote:Because herein lies my problem, I don't hold to the idea that a lack of townliness is the presence of scumliness. Voting for Robert here isn't a vote for scum so much as it is voting to punish someone for playing poorly, and I have no confidence that that leads to a lynch on scum.
Thanks for repeating everything Elbirn said I guess.In post 643, skitter30 wrote:wordsKappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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I'm anticipating another wall of random Chatbot words so I'll just point out here that Robert once again dodged my question.
In post 668, Robert2424 wrote:Like Enter, I'm mainly busy playing KH3.
That game came out yesterday, this game started 10 days ago, try again.
What in the world.I mainly have 3 town reads atm. Implosion, a slight A50 town read, only cause he is half crazy, and elbirn.
BEF is mainly null, along with skitter and Redtea. Chara is also null
Enter is slight scum read for over eagerness.
Papa for not paying attention,
and mcqueen for policy and mainly spamming.
Varsoon is to hard to read to say any read on, in one sense I've found his posts a bit more helpful but at the same time I feel our reads are entirely different and wondering if maybe his posting is messing with me like A50 dose.
Talk to me about redtea.In post 661, BrightEyedFish wrote:I still don't like redtea being lynched. But I'll ISO red and Robert and see if one of them pings me for a lynch today.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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How do you feel about Persivuul pushing Robert here?In post 681, Enter wrote:Something the players should look at is the fact that no one from our PT is voting for redtea right now.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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You literally quoted my response to this question.In post 705, mcqueen wrote:jokes. but why wont you share any of them?KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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I'm gonna have to put this into my sig at some point.In post 716, mcqueen wrote:
why is now not a good timeIn post 707, Papa Zito wrote:
You literally quoted my response to this question.In post 705, mcqueen wrote:jokes. but why wont you share any of them?
Thesp was an IC of one of my first newbie games, and when pressed on this exact question he gave this response:
This has become a standard part of how I play, particularly early on in games when the scum team is least sure of itself. By not identifying who (beyond Robert obv) I find scummy, I'm keeping the scum team guessing on which of them I may suspect, and thus go after tomorrow. In addition, I'm not giving the scum team notice that I suspect them (again, beyond Robert), so they're less likely to alter what they're doing, which will make it easier for me to build cases on them later. By not identifying who I townread, I'm depriving the scum team of target info. Several players have given at least partial readslists here, so I think keeping them guessing on who we find most townie in general is valuable. However, I did want you guys to know that I do actually have reads - this game has had a pretty information rich Day 1 I think - so I made the post that I made.Thesp wrote:I strongly subscribe to a limited information theory of mafia in all directions - that is, there is a significant degree of information that everyone ought to keep secret and/or is trying to keep secret. (I think it's important to assess the motivations for keeping such things undisclosed, but it is not always as important to know for certain what people are keeping secret, aside from their alignments.) To that end, I will not explain my actions all the time, nor do I think I should. I do think I owe the town explanations from time to time, and if I expect to convince anyone, I absolutely ought to give more compelling reasons for people to follow along with me.
It is worth noting that I find this approach to be more useful in finding scum, and simultaneously I tend to draw more people thinking I look scummy when I employ it.
@Town:In other news, we are ~1 day to deadline. The time for vanity wagons is over. If youreallyfeel you've hit scum outside the leading wagons you better come up with something super compelling.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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Hi. I have a question for you in 682. Please respond.In post 722, Enter wrote:I didn't mean to quote that. :/
Hi. I have a question for you in 673. Please respond.In post 720, BrightEyedFish wrote:Why me and not redtea or enter, I thought you wanted one of them lynched today?
In addition, walk me through your redtea vote. Your argument seems to be:
1. redtea sees she is the leading wagon
2. redtea sees a counterwagon on Robert
3. redtea sees that deadline is very close
4. redtea sees several players off wagon claiming they will hammer at deadline
5. Therefore, redtea comes up with the perfect plan of starting anewwagon, and then promptly fails to push it, ensuring it will fail.
6. After noting that she thought the wagon wasn't actually new, she leaves her vote there anyway.
And these are the moves of a scum player seeking a townie mislynch/her own survival. Is that correct?KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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Pagetops.
Ok, I'll take a trip on the insanity merry-go-round with you. What exactly has suddenly caused you to stop and ponder his alignment? Like, what sudden change in Persivul's posting made you hit the pause button and go hmm.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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Woops, looks like the insanity merry-go-round was next door.In post 731, BrightEyedFish wrote: Basically, yeah.
Uh
Can you uh
walk me through this then
Ok, so it's his Robert push itself.In post 730, Enter wrote:I like persivul's 669, 671, 672, and 715. Partially because I agree with him, partially because he's making decent points, and partially because I'm townreading redtea and his thought process follows.
... I went back and reviewed your isos to get context and I think I understand what happened here ty.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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There is less than 24 hours to deadline. You are the only mcqueen voter. Clearly your contention that "only scums do naked votes" isn't swaying anyone. How are you going to mcqueen lynched?In post 740, Robert2424 wrote: Mcqueen is a policy, naking voting is crap and don't care what people say. It looks scummy to me, hence he's on my scum read.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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Where do you disagree with my 725 assessment of redtea?In post 750, Chara wrote:contrasting redtea here who may have mad a subpar decision to try and start a new wagon, but is still happily open to the possibility of lynching Robert.
Do you think Robert really needs to care about his wagon so long as redtea's continues to be the top one?KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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Pretend Robert flipped town. Push me now.In post 764, skitter30 wrote:? maybe i didn't convey what i'm saying well because i don't think either of you understood me
if robert flipped town i'd push: persivul, enter, papa zito and redtea
i would not push elbirn because i'm pretty sure he's town even though he's voting badly
Can you give me the redtea case in your own words please?In post 765, Chara wrote:saying "screw you" to the majority of the playerlist (not in so many words but rather in action) is something i find fairly towny. i also don't take disengagement or apathy as scummy, Enter, seeing as i see town do it unfortunately often.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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So "counter to a wagon i think is town" and "soft support of the Robert wagon" both depend on the alignment of an unflipped player with no investigation. These are completely invalid.In post 772, Chara wrote:
not a townread, and lower than a nullread. counter to a wagon i think is town. soft stances that don't commit and soft support of the Robert wagon.In post 770, Papa Zito wrote:Can you give me the redtea case in your own words please?
"Soft stances that don't commit" is Robert's bread and butter:
Is that seriously it?In post 668, Robert2424 wrote:I mainly have 3 town reads atm. Implosion, a slight A50 town read, only cause he is half crazy, and elbirn.
BEF is mainly null, along with skitter and Redtea. Chara is also hard to read earleir I would of said town but I can't commit to it anymore. So she moves back down to null though if I had to go by gut, if I had to take a stance, very slight scum.
Enter is slight scum read for over eagerness. Papa for not paying attention, and mcqueen for policy and mainly spamming.
Varsoon is to hard to read to say any read on, in one sense I've found his posts a bit more helpful but at the same time I feel our reads are entirely different and wondering if maybe his posting is messing with me like A50 dose.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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fascinatingIn post 773, skitter30 wrote:but if he's town you've basically spent the last few days corraling votes onto lynchbait who didn't actually do anything scummy while contributing to the resistance of a wagon on someone who actually *has* been scummy; i said this already but i find pushing someone day1 for 'lack of towniness' (ie as opposed to pushing someone for being actively scummy) to be incredibly suspect and how scum garner mislynches
so how i read you is kinda flip-dependantKappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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