Unstable Mafia - Game Over

[Almost50]

People of Camelot: I have no pride left in me. What I do now I do for my people and for Camelot, and may they forgive me. This is my last act as your king. Do not be afraid. All things change. I am Arthur of Camelot, and I command you now... all... To fight! Fight like you've never fought before! Never surrender! Never Surrender! Fight as you never...

[Almost50]

VOTE: No Lynch

You couldn't. You wouldn't.
Did you know I was going to replace-in? Are you pulling a prank on me? ARE YOU?

[Almost50]

lol nice spew of teachers townieness its Pignash we need to kill

Damn, almost!

So you DID know I was coming!

VOTE: vedith

TMI

[Almost50]

I think I joined the wrong game.

Nope. This is just the kind of game that suits your new meta as either alignment.

[Almost50]

I’m so underwater it’s not funny but since I’ve mislynched two players here before I’m having a tough time choosing.

VOTE: good. Nice to see you again.

You ALSO knew I was coming in, didn't you. You greeting me proves it. DON'T DENY IT. I know EVERYTHING.

So, Vedith+teacher+??

[Almost50]

Almost50 replaces good

Should've joined with AP, but I'll play it as A50.

[Almost50]

People of Camelot: I have no pride left in me. What I do now I do for my people and for Camelot, and may they forgive me. This is my last act as your king. Do not be afraid. All things change. I am Arthur of Camelot, and I command you now... all... To fight! Fight like you've never fought before! Never surrender! Never Surrender! Fight as you never...

I like this post. Monkey boy must be town.

[Almost50]

RCEngine

replaces Nimueh

So what kind of fuel is this RC thing? WAIT! Is this a REMOTE CONTROLLED Engine??

[Almost50]

If anyone knows I was joining it's AP. Hmmm.

Hushshshsh. Don't tell them I invited you to be my scum buddy.

[Almost50]

Hi RCE I'm Vedith and I think a no lynch wins us the game D1

I believe you.. especially the high bit.

[Almost50]

A50! Probably town, this should scare every other

townie

scum as much as it scares me.

You got mixed up. Your role is red. How do I know you might ask. Easy. I got the "good" role PM, so yours must be the "bad" one.

[Almost50]

Almost50 townreads himself?! What a LAMIST. Currently he's NAI with a side of fries.

Yes, I'm Nationally Acknowledged Intelligent. Thanks for the compliment.

[Almost50]

Hmmm.. was gonna declare Creature Town, except I realized (while typing) it was

TemporalLich

doing these posts.

[Almost50]

Hmmm.. was gonna declare Creature Town, except I realized (while typing) it was

TemporalLich

doing these posts.

Did you really think I would make those posts?

Well, tonally it did sound like old you, plus the look at the avatar!!

[Almost50]

Also there's nothing towny in their posts

Yes, it's NAI for most players. It was townie if it was coming from YOU.

[Almost50]

I'm a shady guy.

NOBODY COUNTER CLAIM, PLEASE. I REPEAT: THE REAL SLIM SHADY SHOULD NOT CC.

[Almost50]

btw we arent using all 2 weeks because thats going to kill wim

I don't see a player on the list called win, but what's more important is how YOU know of the content of THEIR role PM?

[Almost50]

I have Over and Almost as town for now

haha.. fooled ya again!

[Almost50]

@Almost50: Why are you acting scummy on purpose?

What is scummy in my behavior?
Also, you might want to do a search on AP (my alt. It has Austin Powers for an avatar, and I feel like mimicking AP's meta until the game starts rolling)

[Almost50]

Oh. I'll have you know that I know Creature, REC the best out of this player list, and I know they know me too, so I can joke with them both.

I also know Vedith, Overkill and volxen (somewhat). teacher I only played once and he modded me once so I can't say I "know" him, but he also will understand.

I now see how this maybe confusing you so I'll stop. Sorry.

[Almost50]

implying creature is

wrong again

for town reading you

You're done slinging mud on everybody, pal. Show me where he did it the first time or I'll call you a liar.
Creature usually wrongly

scum reads me when I'm town

, but I don't recall the last time he Town read me when I was scum. Do you have a reference?

[Almost50]

I have Over and Almost as town for now

haha.. fooled ya

again

!

what the fuck are you saying

did you just scum slip or are you just completely incapable of recognizing what the fuck you are writing yourself?

I said I

fooled him

again. I didn't even say it was "in a game of Mafia", let alone "town reading me when I'm scum". It's not

my

fault that

you

have comprehension problems or you jump to conclusions reading something that isn't there, and if you had tried to read beyond that you'd realize I explained I can joke with Creature & RCE (specifically) without them misunderstanding.

But that's not the

only

problem here. The real issue is you're comments seem to be aiming at playing down anyone's TR on anyone. You so not want

anyone

to trust

anyone else

. You know who does that? Scum do. They want the town to keep doubting each other and keep everyone in their lynching pool. You know how town go about TRs they feel unjustified> They

ask for the reasoning

. They don't go "I'm not pleased about this" and "you are scummy so stop posting" and "did he break his meta?" (on response to a TR stated on Creature).

VOTE: DoubtingThomas

And you may scream "OMGUS" as loud as you can, cuz I don't care how it looks to you nor how you want to call it.

[Almost50]

i was ridiculing the fact that your posts are shit

To what purpose? Why won't you tell him what was wrong (from your PoV) instead? Why would anyone want to "ridicule" someone's posts that weren't even directed at them?

[Almost50]

sorry you can't take jokes bro

And you bloody can?? What a hypocrite. You justify telling someone not to post as a joke, yet someone telling another they "fooled them again" (in the main thread no less) is a serious issue?

[Almost50]

can't play with this little shit in the game

VOTE: almost50

it's me or him today

I agree to the last line, but I reserve the right to respond to being called daft, little shit and "do not have short term memory span greater than that of a baby chimpanzee". If your parents didn't have time to teach you manners I'm afraid I will have to.

[Almost50]

Exhibit 1: Someone says Creature is lock town and you immediately shade the read by asking if Creature broke his meta

Creature is lock town for being town motivated as fuck+ being the first on ur wagon

did creature break his meta

Exhibit 2: Someone quotes my post and says I'm a TR now and you quote the same post saying you don't like what was stated in a previous post of mine which I explained in the quoted post.

Alright thanks for the explanation.

I guess you're now a TR.

i am actually not pleased with the fact that you 'jokingly' said, "fooled ya" to creature town reading you then being defensive when lich calls you out on this and you say, "how am i being scummy?". it's like you weren't even aware of the fact that implying creature is wrong again for town reading you is a "joke"

seems like a perspective slip in a way. not realizing that's acting scummy because maybe it's not a joke? idk. doesn't feel good.

This AND you shading TemporalLich for trying to move the game forward.

All in under 4 pages.

[Almost50]

literally 6 pages in, the dude is saying he scum reads me because "i didn't ask for reasoning on why people town read others"

oh man mafia would have been so easier if all the towns just asked for the reasoning behind their town reads and scums didn't. right?

I DIDN'T DO IT BECAUSE THAT KINDA SHIT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING. I KNOW FORA FACT THEIR TOWN READ IS A WEAKER ONE WITH ONLY 6 PAGES OF CONTENT TO GO OFF FROM. WHETHER OR NOT I AGREE WITH THEIR TOWNREAD NOR THE FACT THAT THEY UNDERSTAND MY DISAGREEMENT TO THEIR TOWN READ DOESN'T MATTER WE ARE IN LIKE MIDDLE OF RVS

WHY ARE YOU GOING OFF OF THE NAI'EST NAI TO TRY TO SPIN A SCUM READ ON ME? IT DOESN'T LOOK REAL

Then why are you so worried about me stating a SR on you then? It must be a weaker one too and that shit doesn't mean anything. Right? You should have no worries. And besides you're still L-5.

[Almost50]

That someone was me, Einstein. Here:

I think I joined the wrong game.

Nope. This is just the kind of game that suits your new meta as either alignment.

Which begs the question:

Why didnt overkill out his scan what if there is a dayvig or something

did creature break his meta

How come you knew Overkill didn't out his scan when you obviously hadn't even made it to the bottom of page 3? How did you know he didn't do that in page 4 or the top of page 5, say? You had just came in, right? You had no clue what was going on in-thread. Correct? You weren't like -God forbid- talking to anyone in any private threads before you came into the game. Yes?

Thank you very much

[Almost50]

ME IS NO LYKE DIS SR WARM GIMMICK. HAW DOES EVERYBIDY FEEL ABOWT LINCHYNG THEM TOODAY?

[Almost50]

I can think of at least 8 ways to kill a worm.

I can think of 3:

1- Dipping it in alcohol
2- Locking it in a can after blowing cigarette smokes in it
3- Sinking it in certain sticky liquids

That's why drinking, smoking and having lots of sex is GOOD for your health.

On a serious note though, do you think it a good idea to out a VT role, gave Worm target it (and die), and then scum shoot the new PR? I mean, IF this role is for real them he played it in the worst possible way EVER.

[Almost50]

Man this game is going at a

snails

worm pace.

Fixed that for you, Mr President.

[Almost50]

The best play to Worm's claim is to leave him alone for today. If he town, Scum will have to decide whether to believe him or not, amd if they do they need to decide on whether kill him or not. Anything that gives scum a headache I am good with.

[Almost50]

defending a player is different to saying another player just tunneling without doing anything should stop, creature. you know the drill

So what are we supposed to do if we shouldn't "tunnel" anyone rn?

Obviously if you can't tunnel you need to bridge, unless you prefer to wait for the ferry.

[Almost50]

Eh, gotta start somewhere

VOTE: demonlord

RCE, Creature and Vedith want this wagon, so who am I to argue? This is NOT me denying responsibility for the flip, btw. I am just stating my reason for voting there, but it;s MY vote and MY responsibility.

[Almost50]

Woah, woah, woah! That changed fast! Against me! I feel that this just a scum lynch. Lynching the underdog.

No. It's a Democrats driven impeachment. Hillary's collaborating with the Chinese, North Koreans and the Mexicans (only the bad ones. The drug dealers). Oh, and -most importantly- the

CNN

is backing this all the way.

[Almost50]

Demonlord, I meant that you probably meant that you were the one being jumped on.

I thought you meant that he probably meant that you probably meant that you smell spearmint!

Dude, post something that has to do with the game, pg you will. (Or you can relief me of all taxes and cancel my parking tickets in exchange for my vote going elsewhere. Your choice.)

[Almost50]

???

???

[Almost50]

^Was this still open or did I miss out?^

[Almost50]

1- I don't understand the case on TL as of yet. Can anyone help me get why he is being wagoned?
2- Rabbi (Trump slot) is being resisted heavily by 4-5 players, and I can't see them all being town. If giving the replacement slack was the idea, I don't see why it was resisted by so many BEFORE the replacement took place.
3- REC voting Vedith is kinds annoying. You know it ain't gonna happen today with this players list. Get off the vanity wagon and vote one of the two main candidates, or find a third candidate who

can

be lynched today and give a good case on why they're worthy of the lynch.
4- Same goes for Volxen. Worm is self-resolving. We don't need to pursue his case today. He's not gonna make it too far as either alignment the way he plays.
5- TL also needs to stop the OMGUS. Instead, show us why you shouldn't be voted, or -at least- give us a real case other than "He's tunneling me so I'm returning the favour. That ain't gonna fly further than your own nose.

P.S. I still maintain that OK vs TL us very likely TvT, with the caveat that I don't even know TL and don't claim to be an expert on OK's meta.

Another P.S. I'm not fond of roster's catch up, but I'm willing to give him another chance. At least he's trying. Meanwhile pignash is nonexistent, and neither is volxen.

[Almost50]

Im fine with a demon lynch but im more confident in a lich lynch.
Creature is town, Teacher is town, Worm is town, RCE, DT, Teacher are probably town.
Ez time for a d1 gamesolve

Add Rabbi and Roster to this.

You forgot Teacher as a new addition.

[Almost50]

Who resisted my wagon Mr Monkey? Do any motivations stick out to you as worse than others?

Not until you actually provide more content. It just feels weird that 5 players defended your predecessor the way he played.

[Almost50]

hes not even tunneling me theres no pressure involved there.

Nobody talked about pressure. In fact, if he was applying any real pressure I wouldn't have stopped him. That's why I said to either stop it or provide a real case.

[Almost50]

@mod I will be V/LA until the weekend.

I say he needs to post more and he declares VLA.

Anyone up for a wagon here? I don't want to start a vanity wagon, but if I can find 2-3 others willing to make this a competing wagon I'm all for it.

[Almost50]

VOTE: pignash

[Almost50]

He has Vedith who you townread in his POE and townreads DT who is your strongest scumread - obviously your views of the gamestate are going to be fairly different but do you buy that those reads are legit?

yeah... DT is scum and you cannot convince me otherwise.

Here's 0verki11's readlist according to the ISO.

Double Town

: teacher

Town

: Creature, Dr Worm, Rabbi Vole

Probtown

: RCEnigma, DoubtingThomas, rosterfoster
POE: Vedith

Scum

: TemporalLich

Yeah this seems somewhat survivalistic.

Can Overkill confirm this to be his current readlist?

[Almost50]

So you wouldn't mind voting pignash if needs be. Right?

[Almost50]

Sheesh! I didn't realize it's been this long since I last posted. I usually try to post every 24 hours.

[Almost50]

So what's the point of starting a wagon on someone who is not even here to respond to the wagon against him? And if you really are wanting to start a wagon against him, why wait for Vedith to vote for him before placing your own vote?

This site's meta sucks in more than one way of late. First: Players lack the ability to

comprehend

what they read.

I said I didn't want to be on a vanity wagon. I didn't want to be voting anyone alone. I needed a serious wagon. Got it yet?

Second: The misconception that VLA players are untouchable.

You CAN vote a player who is lurking or even declared VLA. You just shouldn't LYNCH them before they claim. It is becoming a fad for scum to get away with prod dodging and declaring VLA for whatever reason (be it legit or fake) because people go like "they're not here, so let's lynch someone who is posting". Those who ARE posting will be sorted out. Thise who are not are avoiding the spotlight, and AGAIN: I don't care whether this particular VLA is legit. I can't tell. But then if we give immunity to everyone who doesn't post we should all be signing up to games and then declaring VLA if we receive a red role PM and cruise to endgame with that.

[Almost50]

Why did you abandon your original push against DT?

Why are you NOT making any pushes? Why haven't you voted anyone aside from your RVS vote on Worm?

[Almost50]

RCE: First, it was just Vedith, me & teacher that voted pignash. teacher has since removed his vote and is now voting roster (I think).

Second: What exactly do you expect to get form any given wagon?

I got not one, but TWO things out of it (three if you count Vedith easily convinced to vote there, thus hinting they're not scum together). teacher voting and then leaving is inexplicable to me, but I have him down as town so I just don't understand the move and I won't pressure him about it. The most important thing is Rabbi coming out with this "I have info pignash is town". That bit doesn't go hand in hand with him placing pignash in his "to sort later" pile in 540. I mean, they're not masons -for instance- because if they were he would know that since the start. But it could be a fay action (say pignash is a friendly neighbor with the Day modifier, or Rabbi a Day Cop) or something like that. I am stating these though because I find them most unlikely too. pignash FN targeting Rabbi specifically is kind of a silly idea, and Rabbi opting to investigate pignash over -say- Worm is sillier.

So, I'm now trying to figure out what "info" Rabbi could have that he won't share until he flips that makes him think pignash is town, because unless he literally has "pignash is town" in his role PM I fail to see it, and THAT came as a direct result of the pignash wagon.

[Almost50]

I assumed he was coming out with a n0 check.

OK. although MS' meta doesn't have N0 action, but I'll assume it's the case. Again, why was pignash in his to sort later earlier when -by definition- N0 action results get delivered by the start if the day. It's the same as being masons in that regard. Doesn't make sense.

[Almost50]

VOTE: rosterfoster

[Almost50]

I think I got what pignash/Rabbi are talking about, and although it is strange that BOTH would be notified about it; it also does NOT confirm either to each other in a bastard game. (If what I think is true then I am talking out of experience and have personally seen it as scum+town before).

HOWEVER, the way they both are going about it suggests each is town and thus "thinks" the other must be town. In other words, each thinks "because I'm town then the other must be town" and while this isn't true it shows that each of them is actually independently town.

[Almost50]

a50 whats your read on me

I hate you, but you're a town lean

[Almost50]

@DT: If it were between volxen & roster only, which of the two would you lynch?

[Almost50]

@DT: I'm already voting roster, so I guess it makes sense to assume I would rather him over volxen, although I don't really mind either.

[Almost50]

How interesting! We have an anonymous extra voting ability.

[Almost50]

You know what? PHUKIT!

VOTE: volxen

[Almost50]

A replacement is no more needed. You should all be grateful.

[Almost50]

Dude give intent perhaps when we are pending a sub?

What for? So that a replacement sees they're @L-1 with intent and refuse to apply??

[Almost50]

@teacher: DO NOT TALK ABOUT OTHER ONGOING GAMES, PLEASE. We're having enough replacements already without the need for a force-replacement due to breaking the rules on top of it. I tend to get confused by new players replacing into the game when it's already the end of D1 or beyond myself. Thank you.

[Almost50]

I am not going to entertain a mass claim, and I'd be faking a PR myself if I was a VT and forced to follow DR WORM's plan. I am not about to tell Scum whom to shoot and whom not to.

[Almost50]

Anyone wanna claim the L-1 vote?
VOTE: rosterfoster
back to this.

Read the flip.

VOTE: rosterfoster

[Almost50]

@TL: First, we're voting roster, whom you ended the day voting. Are you still SRing him? If not, why?
Second, it gets to me that many new players are treating me as if I was a noob myself. Didn't I know how scummy my hammer would look if volxen flipped town? Hell, even if he flipped scum someone would have said something like "it was a bus to cut the day short" or something to that effect.

Bottom line, scum me never does that kind of move. I do NOT get lynched as scum (unless I want to, and it serves my team). I am much more careless with hammers as town though, and especially so when I'm SRing the lynchee.

Feel free to keep your vote on me, but let it be known that I'm taking mild offense in the thought I might be scum with hammer AND with the NK. (Knowing RCE that was never a night PR play of his. I would know he was no Cop/Tracker/Watcher/Jailer .. etc.)

[Almost50]

Frankly I don't see the correlation between DT & roster's alignments here. I was starting to feel better about DT yesterday and the fact that I wasn't the NK made me feel even better about him.

Basically

[Almost50]

Almost50 disease if you will.

Could you please rephrase that? Cuz I don't understand what it means. Thank you.

[Almost50]

VOTE: Teacher

Is this an explicit guilty? Because if it's not then this vote sucks big rocks.

[Almost50]

Feels bad.

VOTE: Lich

Pretty please?

You wanna know why you're scum? Every single vote from you sucks. You are voting my strongest TRs and you are not giving reasons either. Your whole play since the game started smells. If I was a Vig I would have shot you last night.

[Almost50]

UNVOTE:

Bullocks. I think I know who roster is. I've been jerking around trying to alt hunt some, and I came a cross something that makes roster likely someone I know, and -if true- they may or may not be town here (yeah, that's a silly phrasing. It means I'm not as confident they'd flip scum if they are whom I think they are).

@roster: I dunno how to ask this w/o outing your main (if you are the person I'm thinking of). Let me try this: Are we connected on Discord?

[Almost50]

A50, have you alt hunted me?

I didn't need to. I told you already whom I thought you were, but you probably missed it.

[Almost50]

Lol I do not know you in any way shape or form haha. I don't use discord. If you really don't believe me, consider that it would have been unethical for me to play in a newbie to start with if I was an alt.

VOTE: Teacher

Ok, then, Bad call.

VOTE: rosterfoster

[Almost50]

What did you think of roster's hardcore flail A50?

I'm back to voting him, am I not?

And, I think I'm confusing you with someone else, who also said they knew me and I did crumb to them. My short term memory's killing me. If it wasn't for me using word files to track my reads and observations I would probably sound like a real monkey in all games.

[Almost50]

A50, have you alt hunted me?

I didn't need to. I told you already whom I thought you were, but you probably missed it.

Dammit, I wanted to know who the alts are.

I can tell you the one that was obviously a bad guess. I thought roster was Nancy Drew.

[Almost50]

@Rabbi: Well, then.. I found whom I was talking to and it wasn't you, so no. I haven't tried to guess or alt hunt you. But off the top of my head I may have a wild guess.. but I wouldn't think big of it.

[Almost50]

Almost50 town
Dr Worm reads pure need to actually try to read his alignment tho
Vedith I'm back to having no idea how to read
pignash town
Rabbi Vole town
rosterfoster leaning somewhat town rn
teacher uncharacteristically null
Creature weak town
DoubtingThomas need to actually read
0verki11 towny earlier but absent
TemporalLich spicy townpings this phase

how am I looking

Almost50 town

(check)

Dr Worm reads pure need to actually try to read his alignment tho

(town lean but not confident)

Vedith I'm back to having no idea how to read

(let him be for now)

pignash town

(check due to claim)

Rabbi Vole town

(check due to claim)

rosterfoster leaning somewhat town rn

(scum lean for me)

teacher uncharacteristically null

(strong town for me)

Creature weak town

(strong town for me)

DoubtingThomas need to actually read

(strong town for me)

0verki11 towny earlier but absent

(total null. Was a Town read on D1)

TemporalLich spicy townpings this phase

(strong town for me)

So I guess my PoE is roster/overkill/vedith/Worm (in that order)

[Almost50]

So I guess my PoE is roster/overkill/vedith/Worm (in that order)

do you think Worm's gambit was wolfy or have a strong alignment read on it? I think it was pure for sure. My meditation is whether it's AI or was just a way to kill two phases. Actually informed goon that knows there's 1 VT makes a lot of sense fml

Dr Worm my best friend please do alignment indicative things

You said it. It could come from informed scum as well as town, so I can't tell. I don't even know Worm to try and define limits to his play as either alignment.

[Almost50]

any chance of a jester in this setup actually?

In a bastard game virtually ANYTHING is possible.

[Almost50]

I think Rooster is Scum

Why aren't you voting him then?

[Almost50]

Is rooster + Lich + Over too crazy of a team?

Not if I'm totally off base with my read on TL. I mean, if my D1 strongest TR flips red then it's possible as the other 2 are in my PoE.

[Almost50]

Creature I will town read you if you surpass our post count \o/

I do it naturally. Forcing me will just lead to "oh noes creature's artificially rising his postcount"

this wasn't ur response last time i said this to you, tbh

VOTE: creature

DT, please don't be silly. Creature is unable/incapable of posting this way as scum.

[Almost50]

Almost Scum with TL?

My own role PM makes no sense if I was scum here.

[Almost50]

basically ya

Btw, you didn't respond to my:

@Rabbi: Well, then.. I found whom I was talking to and it wasn't you, so no. I haven't tried to guess or alt hunt you. But off the top of my head I may have a wild guess.. but I wouldn't think big of it.

Not that it matters much (as I don't have much meta on my guess) but still it would be good to know if I'm close.

[Almost50]

If I got Scum Im removed as a win.

I had a similar role in my OK2. Check Thor's role.

[Almost50]

By now the only 2 who can't try to guess are RCE and volxen. Must be frustrating in the dead thread.

[Almost50]

If pressed with intent I can explain the exact role and the mechanics of it, but I’d rather not. It is better for there to be some ambiguity.

Well, you might as well. You've already made yourself a NK target with that partial claim, so you probably want to help us figure out shit now rather than tomorrow.

[Almost50]

If the fake cop dies I get promoted and get my own results.

Interesting. So the "fake" Cop will always get an "Innocent" result because they actually get the results of the "rookie" Cop. But what happens if YOU die before they do?

[Almost50]

Oh, you obviously don't know, so that was meant to say "Ask the mod, what if ..."

[Almost50]

If Teacher is telling the truth then the actual cop should have 2 clears, if the name didn't appear and it is just has a result of town, I suspect this message would have been sent twice.

I don't get it. Why 2 clears?

[Almost50]

UNVOTE:
I'm not really sure how a fake cop works. I'm also not sure how I'm meant to parse there being two cops in this setup given pignash and I are a thing. Explain it for me while I'm busy?

The way I understand it is this:

X is a Cop who does NOT get their own results
teacher is a rookie Cop (always gets innocent regardless of the true alignment of their target).
teachers results are delivered to the "fake" Cop, so X always gets a clear.
If the fake Cop dies teacher receives his own results.

The questions I have are:

1- When/if teacher gets "promoted" does he become a sane/normal Cop or will he still be a rookie?
2- If teacher dies, does the fake Cop become a real Cop or not?

The answers to 1 & 2 should decide our course of action. If teacher becomes a sane Cop then the fake Cop should claim and eat rope. If when teacher dies X becomes a real Cop then teacher should eat rope. I think this is the most bastard element of the game. Someone has to sacrifice themselves willingly for the greater good of the town.

[Almost50]

I don't get it. Why 2 clears?

I'm a town mirror.
Targets on me give me the same effect on the target targeting me.
So whoever is the cop, if there is one should have got 2 results back. One for my result and one for Teacher.

If you're a Mirror, shouldn't YOU get your result? And if you Mirror the incoming action, then you're effectively a rookie Cop last night too. However, if you did get a result then it confirms teacher as some sort of alignment Cop, and since scum don't need an alignment Cop then teacher is TOWN. It certainly doesn't tell us much about your own alignment though.

This is way too confusing though without having answers from the mod.

[Almost50]

2. If I die, fake cop stays fake and doesn’t get results.

Then you probably made a mistake outing, because unless we have a doctor in-play you are the next NK no matter what.

I was actually hoping with your death that the fake Cop would actually get their own results, and thus Mafia won't shoot you because they need to locate the fake Cop and take them out first (as they probably have 2 results by now, which I assume are innos since nobody came out to claim a guilty on anyone).

So, unless someone isn't reading the game and think that their night action should help them solve the game I will treat both you and Vedith as town.

Mind you, the bastard element is mind-boggling. What's to keep us from thinking the fake Cop isn't actually fake and -instead- your whole role is. (NOT that YOU ate faking, but the mod can LIE, so he could've lied to you just as he could have lied to the other Cop).

But you know what? This game canNOT be solved if that's the case. Too many lies that would be. I will work under the assumptionS that:

a) Both yours and Vedith's claims are true and accurate
b) The roles do work as the mod has told you both
c) The fake Cop is actually reading and understands the situation we're in

And thus will assume you and Vedith to be mod-cofirmed town aligned players.

Doctor, BG, Rolestopper, or whatever kind of protective we have that is NOT A JAILKEEPER, please protect teacher. If none exists then I guess the town will be missing a teacher tomorrow.

[Almost50]

Hmmm..

rosterfoster (4): Temporal Lich, Almost50, teacher, Vedith,

This is now looking more and more appealing. It looks to me that it's an all town wagon (I had reservations/doubts about Vedith earlier)

Can we get a Creature to vote with us? Would a Rabbi do? I'm sure pignash will follow. At least put roster @L-1 and let's get a claim.

[Almost50]

what changed for you to town read vedith now?

DT, please don't take offense in what I'm going to say this as it's not meant to be: You have such an irritating play style it drives me nuts every time you ask me questions.

What do you mean "what changed" when I had already put every little detail out there?

To make it clear, I said I will

assume

so and so. Now what was your question again?

[Almost50]

This just in: After having had a talk with the mod, I can declare at least one scum is in Vedith/teacher based on their claimed actions.I am not going into details (mod refused to answer 75% of my questions and I had to rephrase more than once, but I finally got what I wanted).

P.S.

@DT:

^^^^b read this TWICE before you ask me why I changed my mind AGAIN. Thank you.

VOTE: Vedith

[Almost50]

i have something to say before roster is hammered so don't hammer him until i come back. i wanna wait til he claims tho

This is also bad (for my thought process). I need to know EVERYTHING I can to be able to process the info and come up with a verdict. If you're going to say stuff towards the end of the day and someone hammers soon after then even if I deduce we are pushing the wrong person it'd be too late to change a thing.

Please say what you got to say NOW so I can get a better picture.

UNVOTE:

Guys: If you have info and you think it matters please state the info you have. For example; if you are informed the information does not get revealed upon your flip. Your card will only show that you were informed. So if you are NK'd your info would not be available for the rest of us to process after you're gone.

I can understand the "fake Cop" not outing for now. If they're fake then the info is definitely worthless and we need to look closer before we decide if they should out it.

P-edit: DON'T TEMPT ME!

In fact, I AM THE "COP", and I have been playing a game of chess with the mod to FINALLY get this: If there were two checks and I was to receive the results I would have got TWO RESULTS. I only got "your target is not mafia" ONCE. So, one of you is definitely LYING.

Chances are teacher is a COP but YOU are NOT A MIRROR.
Another possibility is that teacher is faking to out me. You maybe a Mirror but everything he said was a bluff and thus my result us actually on MY target, which was DT btw.
A slightly less likely scenario would be that you're BOTH lying and my result was still on MY target, i.e. DT is town.

That's why I said

at least

one of you is lying. It could be both of you are.

[Almost50]

just know that you should be lynching TL tomorrow

If you guys keep saying "I have info but I'm not gonna share" chances that I'm not going to vote TL (or anyone you recommend we lynch) even if I turn out to be a real Cop and I personally get a guilty on him. I am that stubborn. Play the game right or I will make sure you don't win.

Also, AGAIN: Are you absolutely sure you're not Nancy Drew?

[Almost50]

Ongoing games. Apart from that, none.

Pedit: J

Also can we all just appreciate the TL is scum.

How does this prove anything you said in 1116??

[Almost50]

See that post I linked to in my claim? The letter J was kind of a code with DT so I could confirm myself.

OK, nvm my previous q.

[Almost50]

No because A50 is trying to say mod refused to answer things.
He's a lot better at asking and wording things than me so I call full bullshit here.

Mod had every right to refuse to answer because it confirms the existence of your role(s) if they answered my original question. The version they did answer was something like "Hypothetically, if there were two amnesiac cops in play and I was to receive both of their results would I be getting "your target" (singular) or "your targets" (plural) and they said they would definitely use the plural and even separate results (i.e. "your targets are <alignment> & <alignment>")

[Almost50]

Ask mod questions concerning if my role were to exist, a rookie cop and a real cop.

I did, and that's EXACTLY what the mod won't answer.

[Almost50]

So you agree there's Scum in me and you 100% then as I'm saying mod answered.

Why are you acting obtuse here? This isn't the usual you!!

The mod will answer YOU, because YOU -supposedly- are the MIRROR. Your question basically boils down to "if there's an Amnesiac Cop who targeted me, what would happen?".

I -on the other hand- should NOT get an answer that confirms there is a Mirror AND an Amnesiac Cop in the game (or lack thereof). This would be confirming/denying the existence of TWO roles that are not mine.

teacher's makes sense to be a fake claim aimed to out the Cop, and it makes Worm look like they tried to out the PRs on D1.

Also, since I'm likely lying anyway, the Rabbi-pignash thing I think "may" mean one is a Seraph Knight to the other, and if so (and with this being an explicitly bastard setup) it guarantees nothing. I have personally played a game where I was scum and my Seraph Knight was town, and they died in my stead.

[Almost50]

HOLD ON A SECOND

[Almost50]

Well, this one's definitely on me. I am stupid beyond remedy.

I did receive 2 results.. only in two separate messages and both were identical in everything (the wording and even the time stamp) so IO thought it was a glitch in the system (like when you post once and your post appears in thread twice.. it happens all the time)

So, in light of the new revelation I declare both teacher and Vedith to be TOWN 9as per the results I received). Feel free to ridicule me all the way to China, My mistake by all means.

[Almost50]

Well, so now we have 2 confirmed townies and I should get a 3rd result tonight, making this a solid town core (or maybe I get a guilty and we lynch scum). Cool.

I once again apologize for my mistake. I won't make excuses and won't deny responsibility for anything that goes/went wrong as a result. I am a certified monkey (just as the picture shows)

[Almost50]

To avoid any confusion from rereading my posts when I'm dead:

I have NO RESULT on DT.

I do have 2 results on

teacher and Vedith

and they're both TOWN.

[Almost50]

So...

Vedith & teacher are town. I know I am town. I choose to believe roster is town and will trust their read on DT. If Rabbi-pignash are also both town then the scum team literally is in Creature/Overkill/WORM/TL (only Overkill would have got a vote from me today before thus whole shitfest).

I still can't believe TL is scum with this play, so I'd say Overkill/Worm > Creature >>TL. I still won't be voting TL today.

VOTE: Creature

[Almost50]

@TL: basically the game turned into a mechanical solution route, so I think it better if you claim too. I just want all claims done with no one @L-1 to avoid scum quick hammers

[Almost50]

I'm a Town Medium, and this means I can talk to the Townies that have died during the night.

OK, so this game is officially classified as "mind fuckery"

This also means I don't want to die because there is no dead thread (not untill you die)

Have you talked to RCE? Did he say anything worth mentioning at this time?

[Almost50]

So you've just talked to Volxen so far?

My bad. RCE was the NK. Volxen was the lynch.

[Almost50]

@Vedith: Vote Creature, please. Let's have a claim and see how it fits with all the outed roles.

[Almost50]

Thank you <3

Now someone state intent and force a claim, please.

[Almost50]

are we giving Lich a TWTBAW pass for some reason?

Yes. It's because he's Town and you're scum. Thank you for making that obvious.

[Almost50]

Since I’m claimed, anyone want to suggest targets before the hammer falls.

@almost I’ve been on mobile for the last two days. Did you explain why you kept saying amnesiac anywhere?

Because that's what your role is called on the wiki:

An

Amnesiac Cop

functions as a normal Cop, but does not receive the results of its investigations. Those investigation results are sent to another (unknown) player. This has been commonly subverted by making the unknown recipient a Mafioso or a Serial Killer.

Source

And I have used one recently in my game "Overkill 2" (Check Alonzo's flip)

[Almost50]

Well in the spirit of finishing massclaim
I am a town puppeteer and pignash is my puppet. I control his account.

He doesn't have a role pm.

How do you control his account? Do you submit actions on his behalf for instance?

[Almost50]

Is Overkill ever going to claim? because if not I'm alright with Creature hammered already.

[Almost50]

Oh, and @teacher: Please confirm your investigation target of N2. I'm alright with a check on TL (to resolve this hit).

Either scum kill TL (so the check is void) or they kill me (so I won't out the result).

[Almost50]

@Creature: If you were someone else, wouldn't you hammer someone with your claim??

[Almost50]

I say the cop claims are bullshit judging the claims so far.

If that's true then scum are literally me, teacher & vedith.

P-edit: OK, so who's scum? You wouldn't want to lynch Overkill, would you?

[Almost50]

Or maybe DT??

[Almost50]

I'm even down with lynching the puppet to verify the puppeteer

[Almost50]

Don't you find three cop claims too much?

What 3 Cop claims?? I must've missed one. To my knowledge it's just me and teacher and the way it works is he picks the target and get the result. You know fairly well Amnesiac Cop is a thing.

[Almost50]

@almost - you want me to put my check now? While the PoE is small on claims doesn’t that just let scum know whether they need to kill or block me?

Well, if you'd rather keep it to yourself that's alright too.

[Almost50]

After having thought about it more in-depth I think Rabbi here makes sense to be scum. If he's making pignash's posts then the pignash claim is worthless. It could be that pignash a "kidnapped townie" who gets released once the puppeteer is dead. (Yes, it's crazy, but the whole game is).

What bugs me is Rabbi said pignasj has "no role PM". If pignash has no role PM then how the hell did he get notified of anything at all, including his own alignment? I'm referring to this:

Well in the spirit of finishing massclaim
I am a town puppeteer and pignash is my puppet. I control his account.

He doesn't have a role pm

.

UNVOTE:

I say we lynch one of them (Rabbi/pignash). I just haven't decided which yet. Lynching pignash tests the claim he has no PM, but then it proves nothing if it's the case. Lynching Rabbi is like a double lynch if they're both town, unless pignash gets released and gets his own role/vote.

Franklu, I am confused and have no idea where to go from here. Like, teacher not announcing his target doesn't let me know whose result it is if he is today's NK and I still get a result.

[Almost50]

I unvoted because at least 2 players want Overkill & DT claims before the day ends. I also am rethinking the while situation and may change my mind about Creature.

People I'm definitely not lynching today: teacher/vedith/roster/TL. Add me and we're 1 short of locking the game.. maybe.

[Almost50]

So, if you are not dead and teacher is dead we lynch you? Except -of course- if scum have a roleblocker then they block you and shoot him anyway. But then I get a result anyway, so maybe they're better off killing me over you two. Nice paradox for scum to solve.

[Almost50]

Just double checked and there's no role pm on this account, no.
Unless there's some next level bastard bullshit going on I think this account is town aligned by omission.

I'll ask podoboq

Wait.. so pignash is actually

the same person

as Rabbi Vole?? These are 2 alts of the same person?? This is confusing as hell to me.

[Almost50]

VOTE: Overkill

Regardless of whether we have a guilty or a no result on Rabbi he should be tomorrow's lynch

[Almost50]

And -of course- if Overkill flips Doctor DT is also scum (just saying)

[Almost50]

WAIT!

UNVOTE: [

Regardless of which of DT/Overkill is the real Doctor, why would scum sacrifice one of them for the doctor? If Overkill is faking scum have a Roleblocker but no strongman (they needed to out the Doctor to block them).

If ST is faking then scum don't have RB nor do they have strongman.

VOTE: Rabbi

This way if they do have a Roleblocker they're forced to use it in the Doctor, so even if they shoot teacher I still get a result.

Also, scum will always sacrifice the weaker role, so whichever is scum between Overkill/DT is likely a Goon.

Finally, if the game isn't over once we lynch Rabbi + DT/Overkill then lynch Dr Worm. DO NOT THINK MUCH ABOUT IT. His claim makes sense to out the VT (or as previously suggested recruit them. Remember this is a BASTARD GAME, and the first thing you can call bastard is the alignment switch mid-game).

@teacher: Check Overkill. I think him declaring not to want to announce his target makes him more likely to be the one faking.

[Almost50]

A50/Teacher/Vedith tell me if I’m being stupid.

No, you're not. It's possible, and knowing Overkill it's not far fetched to think he made a town blunder

[Almost50]

Jsyk

lynching me instantly flips pignash

as well which puts us in evens.

the underlined is EXACTLY what I want. You are effectively a double voter. We already had a Town double voter flipped. If you were Town the game would be overly town-sided. A 4-players scum team could compensate for the double-double-voters, but then it becomes way too scum-sided with a the Cop mechanics, and you yourself have admitted the reviewers are competent enough not to OK a setup that's way too scum/town sided.

[Almost50]

If I die pignash flips

How does someone with NO ROLE PM flip?

[Almost50]

if it doesn't flip with an alignment just lynch me tomorrow before lylo and it's an easy solve.

Why waste 2 lynches when we can do it in one go?

[Almost50]

Who is the 4 person scumteam in your eyes?

I'll think of a 4-players team when I see you flip green. Until then I'm assuming you're red and thus we may have only one other scum outside you and your puppet

[Almost50]

You not reading isn't helping you. THERE IS ONLY ONE COP. THEY'RE AMNESIAC. THERE'S ANOTHER ONE THAT'S A

FAKE

COP (That's me). I DO NOT HAVE MY OWN INVESTIGATIONS. I GET TEACHER'S RESULTS. SO, A50+TEACHER = ONE INVESTIGATION SHOT PER NIGHT.

VEDITH IS A MIRROR, NOT A COP. SO FAR THERE HAVE BEEN NO CLAIMS THAT YIELD INVESTIGATION/INFORMATION THAT CAN BE USED BY VEDITH OTHER THAN THE ONE AND ONLY AMNESIAC COP.

Now. tell me again there are 3 Cops. Go ahead. Say it!

[Almost50]

Like look me in the face and say "I want to lynch two town roles simultaneously because I think this is a setup with two cops a doctor and four scum" and then you're welcome to lynch me. But when I flip green I will be back post-game to laugh at you and I will main out and you can never claim to be better at mechanics than I am ever again.

Deal?

@A50 fixed.
Still stupid as fuck.

It's just ONE COP.

And my theory is you are scum and pignash is a town slot "captured" by you. This goes hand in hand with the setup being extremely swingy.

[Almost50]

A Cop check on pignash returns green. A Cop check in you returns red. If the Cop checks pignash first they'd assume you're town too based on your claims in thread. That's why it's SWINGY.

[Almost50]

I was here for EOD1 and there's no way I'd 'convert' pignash over anyone else.

I didn't say you converted him. He's still town, and when you die you will both flip. It's like a one-way lover with a scum-town pairing. If we lynch scum town dies too. If we lynch town scum doesn't die.

[Almost50]

And my theory is you are scum and

pignash is a town slot "captured" by you

.

How would this work?

It's a one-way lovers mechanic. My phrasing was for thematic purposes.

[Almost50]

I'm literally posting for pignash tho

What difference does it make? I am describing the MECHANIC. The game is BASTARD. MOD LIES ARE A POSSIBILITY. The puppet could be town aligned or scum aligned. IT DOESN'T MATTER. If Scum it is a GODFATHER. IT COULD EVEN BE A DEATH MILLER (so a flip could be provided that says it's town when in fact it is scum).

In short, I am not going to worry myself about how the mod viewed it precisely. I am just saying that your claimed role contradicts the FLIPPED TOWN DOUBLE VOTER.

If it waddles like a duck, quacks like a duck it most probably is "the worst"

.

[Almost50]

@roster & @Creature: Yes. Maybe GF (returns Town to Cop) or even a Death Miller (flips as Town when they are Scum)

[Almost50]

The game is BASTARD. MOD LIES ARE A POSSIBILITY.

Basically my thoughts this game rn.

I was referring to mod public announcements (including flips) btw. Mod lied to me already when he told me I was a Cop and didn't say "fake". I checked DT and when I got the result I thought DT would be confirmed Town to me until teacher claimed and even then I was confused by the 2 identical results that I thought referred to the same target as they had the same exact wording and the same exact timestamp.

[Almost50]

@teacher: I'm fine with you checking whomever you want, just as long as I know whom it is. If scum have a RB you're likely getting RB'd anyway. If not then a result on just about anyone is good enough.

[Almost50]

OK. Good enough

[Almost50]

@pignash: I'll conf!town you if you vote Rabbi NOW. PROMISE.

[Almost50]

At least you have a good sense of humour. Nice try too, but the NK didn't do you any favours.