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[mastina]

So as I told Ank when confirming my role, it's basically an obligatory anti-town town role which there is some theoretical advantage to but which I as a player can see nothing but negative utility for.

As such, I see no reason to not claim it and every reason TO claim it since fuck no that's not a role I'm ever using why would I?

I'm a one-shot exorcist; my ability, expel the demons, will permanently shut down my target's ability to have a medium PT--including shutting down any existing one. And worse--they themselves will be prevented from becoming a restless spirit.

Why the fuck I'd ever want to use that power I don't know but I sure as fuck am not going to. Still needs to be claimed tho to get it out in the open.

[mastina]

VOTE: Titus
Look me in the eyes and tell me you're town

VOTE: rosterfoster
Your profile pic looks more like a chicken to me...

Town.

VOTE: titus

Town?

2 enemies spotted nearby.

VOTE: Akarin

Scum?

VOTE: Titus
Look me in the eyes and tell me you're town

*looks him in the eyes*
You're town. Those sunglasses cannot block me.

Scum!

VOTE: Titus

[mastina]

My assumption is that scum can have such abilities too.

That's my best guess, yeah, with me being a miller of sorts/an informed townie of sorts to warn of this. But heck if I know what Ank was thinking.

Did you ask the mod if your ability works on the dead?

I did not. My ability specifies targeting a player, so I assumed the obvious, but given the mechanic and given it doesn't specify living, suppose I'll ask anyway. (Though even if I can target dead scum...I question why I'd want to?)

[mastina]

So as I told Ank when confirming my role, it's basically an obligatory anti-town town role which there is some theoretical advantage to but which I as a player can see nothing but negative utility for.

What's even the theoretical utility of that role?

Heck if I know. Read what I said again; I said I can see nothing to negative utility to it as a player, and that maybe Ank as the mod sees some theoretical utility to it but from my viewpoint there's literally none.

[mastina]

Did you ask the mod if your ability works on the dead?

I did not. My ability specifies targeting a player, so I assumed the obvious, but given the mechanic and given it doesn't specify living, suppose I'll ask anyway. (Though even if I can target dead scum...I question why I'd want to?)

I was right to assume the obvious; it's living players only.

[mastina]

Your role seems pretty protown

if you identified scum well.

Yeahhhhhh small problem with that......

[mastina]

*role claim*

Oh good, you're town.

Well yes but roleclaiming an anti-town role in of itself is not a reason for it, since I can and have done that as scum.

[mastina]

I don't really understand why she felt she would claim as town.

I always claim anti-town roles and make it a policy to do so; you don't leave millers unclaimed or ascetics unclaimed, now, do you? Being scum changes nothing about that; if I have an anti-town role I am still going to claim it because it is an anti-town role and I don't fucking lie about having an anti-town role.

So it's a given that I have the role I claimed, the only question is the alignment I'm claiming it as.

like, if you don't want to use your ability just don't?

Every game has a day that you massclaim in.

Try having a role that you intentionally didn't claim and didn't use, then claiming it during massclaim and justifying it as "I didn't use it and never claimed it because I didn't want to".

See how well that works out for you. (Hint: you'll be lynched a solid 90% of the time.)

[mastina]

like, if you don't want to use your ability just don't?

Every game has a day that you massclaim in.

Try having a role that you intentionally didn't claim and didn't use, then claiming it during massclaim and justifying it as "I didn't use it and never claimed it because I didn't want to".

See how well that works out for you. (Hint: you'll be lynched a solid 90% of the time.)

Specifically, Nero.

What would

your

reaction be to, during massclaim, someone claiming a role and saying, "I didn't use it because I didn't want to" as their justification for never acting?

Would your reaction be, "Okay, I believe you"...
...Or, "Lynch this shit"?

Because you're bullshitting me if you say anything other than the latter. *I* wouldn't believe that, and you wouldn't, either. If you have a role you intend never to use, you claim it. You don't leave it unclaimed until massclaim. And you CERTAINLY don't LIE about having it, either. (Well, YOU might, but *I* certainly won't, and I'm the one who got the role, so.)

[mastina]

Mmm, feeling scared?

Bored, actually. Also annoyed because burnt my hand yesterday.
...Okay maybe a bit scared, but that's because I got four fucking blisters from the second degree burns, and each and every single one of them burst, and two are GIGANTIC (one having doubled in size in two hours), and one twists and turns in awkward ways making it difficult to deal with, and I literally have no clue how to treat them. (Clearly not with bandaids as that's what I had on them before, last night.)

[mastina]

(Seriously, I know first aid, but first aid doesn't cover this. It tells you how to treat the initial burn, but this isn't first aid territory anymore; this is follow-through/up care, "second aid", if you will, and goes outside of my training. Basically am reaching out everywhere to see if anyone knows how to help deal with it.)

[mastina]

And mastina's claim was a good idea to stay alive for a time but not a longevity play in any manner.

Which is typical of my scumgame.

[mastina]

hmmmmmmmmm. VOTE: mastina I don't like that opening at all.

What a coincidence! I don't like yours, either.

[mastina]

Mastina voted based on her role. (I am deadly with neighborhoods.)

Wrong!

[mastina]

but you aren't a miller or an ascetic. They get claimed b/c they fuck with night actions. Yours doesn't.

They get claimed because they are negative utility.
My role is negative utility.

Who says you'll live till massclaim anyways?

Might wanna think that statement through Nero.
It has a stupidly obvious answer to it, once you realize how often I'm a scum nightkill.

let me see if I have this right. You claimed b/c other anti-town roles claim and b/c you didn't want to claim in mass claim and possibly get lynched.

Yes to the first, not really to the second.

I claimed because it's a negative utility role that I have zero intention of using and the information of claiming the role > the mystery in not claiming it. Claiming it does more good than harm because with it out in the open, everything can be then compared to it. For instance in the stupendously unlikely event I were ever a nightkill--you'd have the information that scum chose to nightkill me in spite of me openly claiming an anti-town role I stated no intention to using. Them deciding that (an action which even normally would be absurd but with my claimed role is absolutely ludicrous) would give you valuable insight into who the scum are, as an example.

[mastina]

@mastina, After Undertale, how do you still view your role as anti-town?

Um.
Undertale I had literally the strongest fucking possible role in theory and it was immediately obvious to me the positive utility thereof?

It didn't even OCCUR to me that we were ascetic and that we were had to be pointed out to me by my hydra partner. All I saw was the ability to

copy roles that targeted us

, which is a hilariously broken-as-fuck power.
And that also explained the lack of ascetic claim.
Not only not realizing we were one, but after having realized we were one, knowing that our role benefited from people targeting us and claiming ascetic would cause people to do the opposite and avoid targeting us.

I literally viewed our role that game as the most OP role of all time.

Comparing that hilariously broken role to this game is all kinds of

[mastina]

So why is your ability to shut off neighborhoods anti-town?

Your role seems pretty protown

if you identified scum well.

Yeahhhhhh small problem with that......

[mastina]

Do you have a better one?

I don’t vote without a reason unless it’s to prevent a no lynch, so you’re asking the wrong person.

Well.
This game just became :easymode:.
While Titus is still probably scum.
And there's a fair chance that one of Gamma/NMSA is scum.

VOTE: Rx Strange Brew

This IS scum.

[mastina]

And there's a fair chance that...NMSA is scum.

Hold up explain why you think this over one post saying he dislikes your opening

Because one post is one post more than necessary for me to get a read on players?

I'd also be interested in what I'm missing from RSB's post that screams scum

Respectfully, that's better for me to hold back on giving away.

I'll give a hint tho:

nancy is in this game?

This question provides insight as to why.

[mastina]

Nancy is going to be a lurker as scum but p much everyone is a lurker as scum.

There's more to it than that.
It's a combination of impact and approach, more or less, especially given her stated mood.

[mastina]

It's exactly the kind of role you might expect to find in a game where the central mechanic is talking to dead players.

A role which if you didn't claim it prior and didn't use it prior, to massclaim, your thoughts on the alignment of the player with it would be...

...Which alignment?

Why, as town, would you immediately give scum that extra info and make it even easier to sort other slots?

Because if this is a role scum knowing about is a pro-scum thing for, then scum utilizing this info does nothing but good for the town.

For instance, say my role is a hard counter to a scum role and they've got panic to knowing that if I have an inkling of how to use it properly, it fucks their scum role over. They do something to stop that--but this is information I'd NEVER have, and the town would NEVER have, if not for the claim. If scum had a role which my role were a hard counter to, without me claiming it, I'd have no way of knowing said scum role existed. But by claiming my role, if said scum role exists, then scum's reaction to my role could give me an insight into the existence of what said role could be.

(I've thought about hypotheticals, but mostly they involve a scum being some sort of possessive spirit of some kind who can, I dunno, control the vote of the town player they're assigned to as a medium, or force the town player to commit the scum factional nightkill, or things like that. And if a scum role like that exists, then the scum panicking about MY role existing is worth claiming it.)

[mastina]

It kinda seems you're taking a totalitarian "follow me or die" approach here, which I don't view as scummy but I do find unwarranted.

Mesthinks you quoted the wrong post as the post you quoted could in no way shape or form be construed that way in anything resembling good faith.

[mastina]

I mean Mastina is basically claiming that you are lurking

Lurking implies a lack of posting.

That's not the problem.

It's the content of the posts which

is

.

[mastina]

Ho boy I'm gonna end up lurking the heck out of this game.

Know what this looks like?

An effort to avoid this:

None of mastina's posts since then have sounded at all towny, in fact most have sounded extraordinarily scummy.

[mastina]

So there’s 100% scum on The Strange Brew wagon. Really terrible reasoning, even if it wasn’t on my former hydra slot. It’s Nancy, and people have those reasonings to get a wagon on her this early? Lol

Sheep me. Mastina has a tendency to tunnel town me.

These do not mesh well together.

[mastina]

VOTE: RAS
Yeah there is no way Flavour slot is scum.

Sorry you must have gotten your vote and 'never scum' names backwards.
Because if you were voting Flavor Leaf and saying there's no way RAS is ever scum? THAT would be accurate.

[mastina]

I don’t think i’m comfortable scum reading Mastina early, because I tend to feel town her is scum her, but I don’t think I’ve ever actually seen scum her.

To be clear.
This is not a town Flavor Leaf stance to hold.
This is absolutely a scum Flavor Leaf stance, both appealing to one of the power-town players (Nero's town but his reads are shit right now as he's basically almost-guaranteed 0-5 in 262) while being incredibly fence-sitty about it.

[mastina]

I really don't like RAS throwing in the towel this easily.

And yet you thought the Nancy slot doing no different was town.

[mastina]

Sure. But she has no reason to get frustrated as scum in that scenario as scum with the Leaf.

Problem with that.
She explicitly thought you weren't around.
A fact apparent both in her posts and even yours.
Sooooooooooooo.

[mastina]

What do you think of this slot now that it's occupied by Flavor Leaf?

The scumread's even stronger.

And why are you conflating your role, which is only anti-town if you use it badly (and is definitely not if you never use it), with roles that passively screw with night actions?

You see a difference between them.
I see none.

[mastina]

Mastina has a tendency to tunnel town me.

Any examples of this?

Since you quoted it.
Going back to 216.
This is not only painting me as town--a stance that contradicts Flavor Leaf's stance that scum voted his slot--but also is shade-throwing me, discrediting my read on him as "she'd always scumread me, therefore, her scumread on me has no merit".

[mastina]

I kinda feel like Nancy is less likely to get mad @ roster as scum b/c she'd just brush it off b/c there was very little chance she gets lynched and I think she understands that being atey is a good way to get scum read.

This is rats-ass backwards in literally every way possible?

Like, this looks like a stance from someone who's never played with Nancy, backwards?

[mastina]

Nero + Montosh + Clemency?

Nero's town.
Shitty as his reads are right now, this is his towngame through and through.
RAS slot's town as town can be. Clemency can do nothing to fuck that up.

Montosh isn't someone I see as scum, but of the three you've named is by far the most likely.
This'll become obvious once I get a readslist up.

[mastina]

Are you suggesting Nancy is scum?

Do you have a better one?

I don’t vote without a reason unless it’s to prevent a no lynch, so you’re asking the wrong person.

Well.
This game just became :easymode:.
While Titus is still probably scum.
And there's a fair chance that one of Gamma/NMSA is scum.

VOTE: Rx Strange Brew

This IS scum.

[mastina]

The thing is I think Nancy would have been fine with me if I didn’t vote her. I don’t think she hates me.

Also correct.

There's only one reason I can think of that her stance of not being able to talk about it would be referring to--but it doesn't mesh with my own knowledge of that situation if so.

[mastina]

How am I appealing to you at all? I said you’re gonna push me regardless of alignment, not that I town read you

You're not appealing to ME.
You're appealing to NERO.
Who, fuck yes, scum want to appeal to?

[mastina]

Nero’s also had pretty great reads as of late, so you’re discrediting him while pushing him as town, which is manipulative

Oh Nero was the Creature before Creature was Creature: pinpoint accurate reads, dismal charisma, posts a lot; he did that years before Creature had ever signed up here.

But it doesn't matter how good Nero's reads in general are.

His reads in 262 were absolute shit.
RAS is NEVER scum here.
Creature is not scum here.
I am not scum.
So he's at least 0-3.
LUV

could

be scum, but doesn't really look like it; CMM

could

be scum, but doesn't really look like it.

IF he's got scum, it's in those two names. But I don't think they're both scum and I even doubt so much as one is, so.
Shitty reads are shitty, even if the player making them normally does better.

[mastina]

This is also a manipulative post because I haven’t even said you were more likely scum.

Yeah--my fucking point exactly.
You didn't.
When you absolutely should have.

[mastina]

The more mastina swears the townie she is.

Hey I am perfectly capable of swearing as scum and do so quite often.

(Mind you, you're

probably

not wrong, on some subconscious level I probably do cuss more as town than scum, but it's something that I know about so it's not something I'd call a towntell.)

[mastina]

Clemency/RAS
Nero Cain

rosterfoster
Creature

Elbirn
ConManMick

Lil Uzi Vert
Montosh
Gamma Emerald
NotMySpamAccount

Titus
Flavor Leaf/Rx Strange Brew

This is about where I'm at, give or take. Montosh/Gamma positions slightly interchangeable.

There are

worlds

where roster and Creature

could

be scum, because neither is altogether out of their scum range completely and entirely 100%...but both are pretty damn close and are as close as can be while not being 100% cleared conftown. They're like 95% town and are pretty much never-lynch-this-ever reads, just aren't 100%-beyond-any-whatsoever-shadow-of-a-doubt-conftown levels of town that Nero/RASslot are.

[mastina]

**Mastina has been prodded by request.**

Uh.
No I haven't?

[mastina]

**Mastina has been prodded by request.**

Uh.
No I haven't?

Legit don't have a prod in any format--not on discord, not on sitechat, not via PM.

The mod's a lying scumbag.

[mastina]

Here lemme set up a pagetop for ya.

[mastina]

Mastina may not have a prod but she's deffo searching the thread for her name. Her timing is very Beetlejuicy.

Naturally. I read even when I don't feel like posting.

I haven't felt like posting. Since I was forced to because you're being an ass tho...

[mastina]

Lol wait why is Titus in my tier?

Because experience; this is Titus as scum.

[mastina]

Yo Mastina, talk to me about your Titus read. Also, how's the hand?

Ring finger burn looks healed. Thumb is itching, but deflated with the blister almost merged with the skin. Still has red spots.

One of the pinkie blisters looks like it's shrinking/fading.

The other? Still huge, and also has some red to it.

[mastina]

Also, that Elbirn/ConMan tier is very poor. Neither of them have done anything they couldn’t easily have done as scum, unless that’s supposed to be the Null group, which means you have a load of Lean scums

Just because they could do it as scum doesn't mean I think they did.

What, I tell people to read me using this; you honestly think I don't use it as a standard to read others?

[mastina]

Mastina do you have a reason for declaring RAS/Clemency "town as town can be" or what?

Reason implies singular. I have several, so it's plural.

[mastina]

while being incredibly fence-sitty about it.

the fuck I am.

You apparently have reading comprehension issues if you think I was calling YOU fencesitting; I was not. It was 100% Flavor Leaf I was calling fencesitty.

All it accomplishes is giving yourself a reason for why you are not a scum nk.

How many times will I need to quote this before you get the implication?

Who says you'll live till massclaim anyways?

Might wanna think that statement through Nero.
It has a stupidly obvious answer to it, once you realize how often I'm a scum nightkill.

I feel like, if you were town you should have just scum hunted and tried to get nighkilled.

To the contrary.
Claiming, THEN scumhunting and trying to get nightkilled, is a much better approach.

Also as town you should cast a wideish net.

Not really? If you have more than six suspects, you're doing it wrong. Heck, more than five's pushing it.

I feel like she'd use it as an excuse to just lurk.

And THAT is where you go wrong.

[mastina]

I'm p sure every time she's scum (star wars, RC's upick) she gets really mad and swears like a sailor.

Actually I only get mad for justifiable reasons.

Like being called a fucking lurker when my reasons for not posting have nothing to do with my fucking alignment and everything to do with a combination of my mindset and my real life circumstances.

[mastina]

but there are two players (Mastina and leaf) claiming that that's not entirely true.

Nero, by that logic, you're outvoted because a lot more than two people will tell you Creature is fairly accurate with his reads.

[mastina]

Was this on your mind when you made the claim? Or have these ideas come together more in the last few days?

Bit of column A, bit of column B.

I had in my mind exactly what I said: that my role might have some, from the omniscient viewpoint of the moderator, positive utility I'd have no way of knowing about--that

something

in the game, likely scum, existed that my role's a hard-counter to.

I didn't really think about what it could be until much later, around the time of 367.

[mastina]

VOTE: GammaEmerald

VOTE: Gamma
Taking my hands off the wheel a bit since I feel like shit IRL.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Reason for me to move the Gamma slot to town right here.

[mastina]

Titus is scum.
VOTE: Titus

Incredibly blatantly so, yes.
VOTE: Titus

[mastina]

I haven't felt like posting. Since I was forced to because you're being an ass tho...

Basically.
I don't post when I don't feel like it, and games are better for it.

When you don't feel like fucking posting.
Your posts are, inherently, going to be shittier.
Because. you. don't. want. to. fucking. post.

But are being forced to.

Liiiiiittle bit bitter 'bout that.

[mastina]

Also Titus definitely feels like active lurking to me. Can someone with meta tell if they usually post like this?

Absolutely not, no!

[mastina]

I think that 72 hours before a prod is ass. Most games are 48-hour prod timers so what's the difference between me requesting a prod at 48 hours and every other game that has 48-hour prod timers?

The difference is that 72 hour prod games are my fucking preference because they are a GODSEND. I love them more than I love 48 hour games so being a dick and forcing this game to be 48 hours when we have the OPTION of it being 72 hours is...well. Being a dick. For no purpose other than being a dick.

[mastina]

On the road to recovery then. And your Titus read?

If I wasn't being forced to fucking post today and had come to post in on my own I would maybe have had an answer for this.

As-is I'm tired as shit, I don't even want to be here, so I sure as fuck don't want to give a serious in-depth answer.

(THIS, by the way, Nero, is the consequence. I give content when I come in on my own that is made the way I want it to be made; force me to come in and you get half-assed shit because again. I don't want to be here right NOW and needed that extra fucking 24 hours.)

The short version?

This is Titus's scumgame through and through 100%.

[mastina]

If she's done it before then she knows it's an old trick and she knows you know of it (and apparently so does Titus), so what are the odds she pulls the same gambit in your presence again??

Valid; this is true of scumastina as I don't reuse my tricks twice, but eh, didn't really feel like arguing that point.

[mastina]

Can someone walk me through their scumread of Titus like I'm an idiot please? Until the Gamma vote I quite liked that slot

Sure--Titus's approach this game is her scumgame.

There's lazy-town-Titus and lazy-scum-Titus.
The former is a rarity albeit one not entirely out of the question; the latter is common.
Statistically speaking she'd be more likely scum from that alone--but the real clincher?

Lazy-town-Titus and lazy-scum-Titus aren't identical.

And this is lazy-scum-Titus.
She's making effort to appear to be town, without actually doing anything town, while just lurking by.

[mastina]

if Titus is scum I get credit for gut scum reading her 11

Sorry mate but you can't claim credit for what's mine since that push was mine and mine alone.

[mastina]

Why would town, that's supposedly often a scum NK, be worried about being alive on day 4 or whenever its mass claim time?

A good question!

One which I have already answered.

You're still failing in reading comprehension.

So maybe if I quote it again.

You'll miraculously actually get my fucking meaning?

All it accomplishes is giving yourself a reason for why you are not a scum nk.

How many times will I need to quote this before you get the implication?

Who says you'll live till massclaim anyways?

Might wanna think that statement through Nero.
It has a stupidly obvious answer to it, once you realize how often I'm a scum nightkill.

You've yet to read this correctly.

She has a role that could potentially take away scum's RS ability (if they have one) and maybe even their PT

My ability is specifically for the dead, so doesn't work on the scum PT.

Also?

Taking away the ability of a scum restless spirit?

...Still not pro-town.

Because having a scum player dead and using their restless spirit ability is still valuable to the town and not something the town should want to take away from them. The reasons for this are stupidly obvious when you think about it, but are technically speaking best left unsaid, for obvious reasons if you correctly thought of them.

Of course, she has the excuse of "I never do the same thing twice" but that's not entirely true either.

Oh really?
Do tell.
I'm actually.
Genuinely.
Fascinated by this argument.
And would love to see you back it up with references.

Because I'm quite sure it holds for every single scumgame of mine ever, and as I'm the one who has played in every single scumgame of mine ever, pretty sure my viewpoint on the subject's a fairly solid one and you being able to raise so much as an iota of a counterargument?

Legit would love to see it because as far as I can tell none exists.

And it's not like she wasn't around and posting elsewhere.

My posting frequency is indicative of my investment, not of my alignment.
This game I give zero fucks about to be frank.
Naturally I'm not inclined to post here.

I post because I'm obligated to, but I'm not enjoying this game yet.
That's not to say I won't, I'm sure I will in fact. QUITE positive I will.
I just am not right now, and until such time as I am, my investment will continue to be low.

Deal with it or lynch me.
You already got my claim so it's not like you need to declare intent.

[mastina]

Mastina do you have a reason for declaring RAS/Clemency "town as town can be" or what?

Reason implies singular. I have several, so it's plural.

but like what are they?

Well for a start?

RAS posted many, many, MANY of my thoughts and my reasons...before I had given them.
In a way showing that RAS and I were thinking VERY similarly to one another--something not

impossible

to come from scum, but

incredibly unlikely

to be so.
ESPECIALLY given that RAS has no prior experience with me.
RAS had no way of knowing what he was doing would appeal to me.
RAS had no way of knowing what he was doing would click with me.
RAS had no way of knowing how I think, how my thoughts work, in order to establish that level of synergy.
But he did so anyway; I could quote his posts for the vast majority of my reasons and reads, and pass them off as my own, because they were just that. damn. on. point.

RAS's approach to the game I actually saw as similar to Montosh's approach to the game, except with stances that were even more accurate and well-thought-out than Montosh.

RAS's replace-out was INSANELY town, and I'll tell you why:
Because RAS basically quoted the same reason I've gone "fuck this game".

Will prod dodge until I feel like this game is more worth playing; these have to be the shittiest reasons I've seen in a while to warrant votes.

You're scum, but I don't really care that much.

Have fun, though.

This is literally the reason I haven't been posting here.
The game's just not worth playing, and I just really don't care that much.

Speaking of RAS's posts though...they're not a carbon copy of my stances; they are notably different in things like the Creature read, which I felt was well-reasoned even though I thought it wrong.

The RAS slot is above conftown levels of town.
Clemency can do absolutely NOTHING to ruin that.

[mastina]

this requires energy and quote fetching and something I don't really feel like doing.
In Star Wars you were declaring Pine town b/c "I can read him."
In RC's u-pick you were declaring that Gingie was town b/c "I can read him."
same thing, no?

Might want to PUT that time and energy in, because you've got your fundamental facts fucking wrong.
I didn't call Pine town because I could read him.
I called him scum because I was bussing him--with the intention of getting myself lynched and making him super-town, mind you, not being cleared for it, but gunsmith guilty on him, and all that.

Like.

You're literally.

100%.
Provably wrong here and saying the fucking opposite of what I actually did.

[mastina]

Second, mastina what effort have you made to work with RAS?

None.
RAS replaced out from, at the time, without warning--in hindsight, yeah, the warning sign that RAS was going to replace out was obvious, but at the time, I interpreted it as not being on-the-verge-of-replacing-out (which is what it was) but rather as filing this game as what it is and giving it the appropriate level of time/concern...something that would not have needed my intervention on.

If I had correctly interpreted the warning signs and if I were there in time, I'd have hugged him and said he wasn't alone, but I made a slight miscalculation in my perception of his mindset. (Again, his mindset was

similar

to mine, not

identical

; I thought it was even closer.) Also we were never really online at the same time, which made, sayyyyy, a real-time reachout utterly impossible.

Woulda if I coulda and I shoulda, but didn't.

Alas.

Hindsight, 20/20, all that.

There's no real point in working with Clemency tho. He's town, sure, yeah. But he's not what I call townbloc town. When I think a bloc of town players, the requirement isn't "must be town"; being town is a

prerequisite

, but is not the requirement--the requirement to be part of MY townbloc town is the ability to more or less be able to work with me.
I can't work with Clemency; I COULD work with RAS.

Clemency's got a fundamentally incompatible playstyle with mine--even if he didn't. His mindset is fundamentally incompatible with mine. Even if he wasn't...his reads are fundamentally incompatible with mine. And even if they weren't...his reasoning is. We have no common ground outside of our alignment, and that's it. Nothing else. Nadda.

RAS I didn't work with because it was too soon to work with him--I was planning on working with him later, down the road. I didn't know I needed to work with him

earlier

to stave off the replacement request, because, again, hindsight bias; didn't see the signs for what they were at the time and misidentified them. But I was going to.

Too late now tho, and since that ship has sailed. No point swimming after it; I'd just drown. Instead, I'll just wait for the next one.

[mastina]

mastina is town, you peanuts.

Then why is she acting proscum and straight out of StarWars?

Hey Nero.
Newsflash.
Titus was my fucking scumbuddy that game.
She would fucking remember.
That what you fucking said about that game.
Was utterly, provably, undeniably false--that you were WRONG when saying it.

Instead, she's working with your fucking mistake.
She's sheeping something she fucking knows to, objectively, be false, better than anyone else because she was right there along-side me in the scum PT as it was happening and knew the plan we formed from the start.

She is scum.

[mastina]

Who says you'll live till massclaim anyways?

Might wanna think that statement through Nero. It has a stupidly obvious answer to it, once you realize how often I'm a scum nightkill.

Call me stupid, but the

most

obvious answer to this is that you're scum.

X

Still yet to have a correct interpretation of that statement.
It is a stupidly obvious interpretation and yet one which has not yet been raised.
Read what I fucking said again.
Realize how often I'm a scum kill.
Let that sink in.
How often am I a scum kill?
Realize that.

[mastina]

oh so one time you used it to bus and one time you used to town read someone. You sure proved me wrong.

In fact.
Yes!

I did exactly that.

[mastina]

Who says you'll live till massclaim anyways?

Might wanna think that statement through Nero. It has a stupidly obvious answer to it, once you realize how often I'm a scum nightkill.

Call me stupid, but the

most

obvious answer to this is that you're scum.

X

Still yet to have a correct interpretation of that statement.
It is a stupidly obvious interpretation and yet one which has not yet been raised.
Read what I fucking said again.
Realize how often I'm a scum kill.
Let that sink in.
How often am I a scum kill?
Realize that.

Helpful reference tool.
That's, with the exception of a single NY game I was scum in and any hydra games I didn't post on my main in, every single game I've been a player in, over the last year. (Plus games I was involved in as a reviewer which I admit is a fair number.)
If I outed alts of mine I could expand the list even further but anyone knowing my alts would also know the correct interpretation of my statement making it redundant anyway.

[mastina]

but is using identical reasoning to bus someone and town read someone all that different?

Yes especially given that the reasoning wasn't actually identical in the first place.

[mastina]

Sleeping is not 100% accurate. Mastina reminds me of scumwars Mastina in that she has an innate charisma while doing proscum things. She's hiding behind her role crumb as well.

Yeah this is bullshit on every level. If I had charisma then where the fuck is the people following me? If I had charisma, then why the fuck am I the lead wagon on day fucking one? I have done zero hiding behind my role which was as far away from 'crumbed as is possible given I explicitly 100% claimed it.

Instead, mastina has doubled down and made no practical effort to engage.

I haven't engaged your 'crumbs because frankly I think your breadcrumbing is bullshit.
Or rather.
More specifically.

You know what you just accused me of doing?

That's fucking projecting what YOU are doing: hiding behind YOUR role crumb. YOU are using your role 'crumb as a shield.

[mastina]

I forgot I was in this game and didn't have it subbed anymore for some reason.

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

[mastina]

I'm not sure why this game is so horrible

Because you are fucking lynching me on D1 instead of actual fucking scum?

[mastina]

Shit, scum not being scared means mastina town or the fuckers think they can still hammer me.

If Titus were town with this thought.
Know what she'd do?

She'd fucking unvote.

But she's not town.

[mastina]

I legit have no idea what's going on anymore. Pls help me lynch mastina cause at this point I'm not confident in anything else.

VOTE: NMSA

I mean.

He's my best guess for the third, sure, yeah.

But Flavor Leaf and Titus are definitely scum, whereas NMSA is only

probably

scum.

[mastina]

I cannot stress enough how horrible this game is. Clem is past 72 hours and we haven't even had a VC in 3 days lol. let's just lynch Mastina.

Yes because apathy lynching one of the strongest fucking personalities in the game who has a strong force of personality will

totally

make the game MORE active.

[mastina]

2. I wouldn't care is she was

And this, my friend.
Proves why you're so fucking shit this game.

For someone lauding how this game fucking sucks.

You're the fucking problem

.

Want to not fucking have the game suck?

Then fucking care.

[mastina]

I was about to switch paths too.

Uh huh.

Sure

you were.
Sure you, the person showing absolutely no fucking sign of any interest in changing.
Were going to change.

[mastina]

2. I wouldn't care is she was

And this, my friend.
Proves why you're so fucking shit this game.

For someone lauding how this game fucking sucks.

You're the fucking problem

.

Want to not fucking have the game suck?

Then fucking care.

And Nero?
WHEN I flip town, you don't get to fucking say "but she was playing like she does as scum!".

When MULTIPLE fucking people.
Have told you.
Repeatedly.

"She's playing like she does as town".
When MULTIPLE fucking people.
Have told you that no, you're wrong.
You don't get to fucking say that I was playing like scum.

Because this shit?
100%. Purely. On. YOU. Not me. This? This is my towngame. So don't you fucking DARE say this shit's on me.

[mastina]

I'm not sure why this game is so horrible

Because you are fucking lynching me on D1 instead of actual fucking scum?

yeah, that has nothing to do with why others aren't participating.

Except it does.

Lynching me when I am a power player when YOU are the one spearheading the lynch means town is lynching town--as a result, town in opposition to it are in apathy; scum who are in support of it can just take the back seat and let YOU do their fucking work for them.

[mastina]

I cannot stress enough how horrible this game is. Clem is past 72 hours and we haven't even had a VC in 3 days lol. let's just lynch Mastina.

Yes because apathy lynching one of the

strongest fucking personalities in the game who has a strong force of personality

will

totally

make the game MORE active.

this doesn't make you town.

'Course not.
But because I already am town it means my statement's true because guess what fucking happens when you lynch me?

I flip town.

And guess what happens after that?

You just fucking lynched a strong town personality with a force of personality.

Leaving your remaining town.

Even fucking worse.

Have fun with that, jackass.

[mastina]

The mastina wagon is just too scummy for my taste.

how so?

Oh, I dunno.

hmmmmmmmmm. VOTE: mastina I don't like that opening at all.

I can't think of a single reason.

VOTE: Mastina
I think she could be town, though.

I'm absolutely baffled at that statement!

VOTE: mastina
Fuck it. Siding with my townreads.

There's no

possible

way that the wagon on me is scumsided as fuck.

[mastina]

I absolutely believe in what I say.

Oh?

Shit, scum not being scared means mastina town or the fuckers think they can still hammer me.

Do you now?

[mastina]

ill ignore flavors mastina posts cause we both know he doesnt really give a flying fuck about mastinas alignment.

And you wonder why I scumread him.

[mastina]

this is nosferatu

Oh hi there! <3

Now I can actually work with the RAS slot. <3

[mastina]

i dont see anything from your slot that makes it seem like you actually think mastina is scum

And you wonder why I think she's scum.

[mastina]

I still think Mastina's decision to claim (b/c other anti-town roles claim) is scummy and LAMIST. She's way too worried about herself here. (I didn't want to massclaim this role)

Whatever makes you sleep better at night mate. Keep telling yourself it, power to you.

[mastina]

if massclaim came around and mastina claimed that shit (assuming that role is even real LOL) can you honestly say that you'll just go, "yeah nothing to see here"? I can't. That role is so anti-town that it makes me question reality. If someone claimed that shit like D5 I'd be sus as fuck.

VINDICATION! <3

[mastina]

if Mastina is scum and we are busy talking about her lynch then her buddies are floating by undetected.

Sure.
And because I am town and we are busy talking about my lynch EVERY SINGLE SCUM is floating by undetected.

[mastina]

is she a bond villain

Well, yes, when I'm scum that's actually a perfect descriptor of my attitude.

[mastina]

I don't see why it's impossible that Mastina blatantly claims her scum role and uses shitty/LAMIST reasoning to claim that it was the pro-town thing to do.

Sure it's not impossible.

What makes it more probable than me just claiming my role as town because it's a fucking role I don't leave unclaimed?

[mastina]

idk why thats any scummier than claiming any other anti-town role d1 and claiming it was the pro-town thing to do
idk how "if you dont use the role at all its the same as not claiming it" cause then what happens when she gets role copped and we see that she was hiding such an anti-town role the whole time
like i said before i dont find it believable that in ^ scenario we all go "well yeah that was the obvious pro-town thing to do"

EXACTLY WHAT I WAS SAYING.

[mastina]

mastina's role isn't anti-town

Yes it is.

[mastina]

So does an idiot vig. No one says vigs need to claim.

Yeah, abooooooooout thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat......

[mastina]

(Not something everyone may get, but uh...refer to my stance on vigs. Specifically, as a player.)

[mastina]

but an idiot isn't self-aware enough to know they s/he is an idiot

I am.
I'm a dumb stupid moronic idiot.

Knowing I am one doesn't magically make me not be one. It just means I am self-aware enough to sometimes be able to handle it.

[mastina]

The thing is that she's arguing that she's often a scum NK

Hey Nero.

Guess fucking what.

I've given you no less than three fucking times to get that shit right.

And fuck it.

Since you fucking missed it the first three fucking times.
Even after I gave you a BIG FUCKING HINT.

I was saying the fucking opposite.
"Once you realize how often I'm a scum nightkill"--you know how often that is?

It's NEVER.

I'm NEVER the fucking scum nightkill.

[mastina]

Who says you'll live till massclaim anyways?

Might wanna think that statement through Nero. It has a stupidly obvious answer to it, once you realize how often I'm a scum nightkill.

Call me stupid, but the

most

obvious answer to this is that you're scum.

X

Still yet to have a correct interpretation of that statement.
It is a stupidly obvious interpretation and yet one which has not yet been raised.
Read what I fucking said again.
Realize how often I'm a scum kill.
Let that sink in.
How often am I a scum kill?
Realize that.

Helpful reference tool.
That's, with the exception of a single NY game I was scum in and any hydra games I didn't post on my main in, every single game I've been a player in, over the last year. (Plus games I was involved in as a reviewer which I admit is a fair number.)
If I outed alts of mine I could expand the list even further but anyone knowing my alts would also know the correct interpretation of my statement making it redundant anyway.

How often am I a scum nightkill?
Never.

So your question had a stupidly fucking obvious answer.
Of course I live to massclaim.
You know why?
Because I never fucking get nightkilled.
And if I get lynched before then, then obviously I claimed prior to massclaim anyway, rendering the hypothetical massclaim scenario moot.

[mastina]

I don't think ANYONE (besides Roster and a50) are town reading her.

And therein lies the fucking reason I'm town.

[mastina]

Flavor Leaf, chennisden, and Creature were the mafia team.

Flavor Leaf was scum?

Shocker!

Why, nobody could have predicted this most unexpected turn of events!

OH WAIT.

[mastina]

Also I think you're forgetting we had a fake inno on FL because he found that harry potter game.

I mean I wasn't around at the time to say it but if I was I was going to say precisely that FL probably did exactly that, find a Titus game because it's not too hard to track it down and FL himself said he'd fake Titus's content. He literally said he could do it and I had no reason to doubt him.

[mastina]

Mechanic was very fun, a bit townsided because of too many innos but we were able to work around that. Also I think you're forgetting we had a fake inno on FL because he found that harry potter game.

None of what Boon was saying sounded like Titus at all so I don’t know. PoE might’ve kicked in.

^That. It didn't sound like Titus so I didn't think it was.

[mastina]

Also yeah scum had a good shot at a win I think. I think Omochao or Elbirn probably would have gone today.

I was fighting against both of those.

[mastina]

I am a bit bitter about Titus & Nero for the mastina lynch

Try being the one who was mislynched.

[mastina]

BTW, RE: balance.
I would say that this setup is "accidentally balanced, but swingy".

I say 'accidentally', because Ank didn't realize that the medium mechanic was as townsided as it was;
And didn't realize that the roles were as scumsided as they were.

Townsided mechanic + scumsided roles = swing, but also a weird strange balance equilibrium.

So I actually think that the game was fine, even if only through accident.
If the roles/mechanic were INTENTIONALLY built start to finish with the idea of scumsided versus townsided, I don't think any of the players would've batted an eye.

Basically I think And accidentally made a neat interaction that few mods can pull off even when trying, and yet in spite of it not being intended, she not only made it work well, but made it work as well as possible.

Tl;Dr: I think that the setup was a "Happy Accident", and one which I enjoyed. Alas.