Mini 2127 - Fairly Special [Game Over]

[Churros]

VOTE: eyesott

[Churros]

There was a lot of...words, and I didn't parse everything yet (I'll re:read the game at some point), but from my skim I came up with

[Chronos]
[Adorable]
[Everyone else] - null
[Eyesott]

I felt eyesott posting was forced and when I did properly ISO him I only saw filler or posts that came off as trying to look busy. I'm quite happy with those reads.

[Churros]

Mastina can you howl again?

I like the sound of nature.

[Churros]

I don't usually explain town reads but I feel like I'm going to mostly work with those two (I don't think I'm going to get confident town reads on anyone else in this playerlist, I don't vibe well here) therefore properly explaining it for once might be the way to go.

The main reason I'm TR'ing both slots is that I feel both actively invested in solving the game, in a way that it's not just a "solvy post to look busy".Chronos's posts come off as very engrossed in the game and his long posts don't feel like the classic scum writing a lot of redundant things to make posts bigger. His words have purpose.

Adorable seems actively solving the game and I distinctly remember that being huge town points for him, because his scum meta is being rather lackluster as far as I know. It would be something null for most players but I TR him for it.

Adorable/Chronos, give eyesott ISO a glance. Not interested? I've really not a grasp of the game and skipped around 60% of the posts in my skim, but I feel good about my SR on him regardless of anything else.

[Churros]

That's it from me for now. Gonna properly catch up...later.

[Churros]

Town Core: Activate!

- Chronos
- Churros
- Mastina
- Sujimichi

Obliterate

Scum Core:

Die

- Titus
- Rabid Schnauzer
- Egix96
- EspressoPatronum

If you add Eyesott to your scum core I could support this. In my quick skim I thought titus was squirming around, although I don't have a real grasp on Rabid/Egix/Espresso.

I do town read Chronos as well, and about Sujimichi 3 posts:

Hey everyone! I will catch up shortly.

I am caught up. I believe mastina to be Town. I also believe Team STRQ to be Town though with a lesser degree of confidence.

Hello, gobbledygook! You are replacing a slot that I had a light Townread on, so I am looking forward to your views on the game.

I don't want to expand on detail right now, but I get good vibes from this short posts. I feel that scum!Suji would already try looking busy by asking questions or write longer posts. I'm not a Suji specialist though.

Again, normally I wouldn't explain my TRs etc but I don't feel I'm gonna be able to PoE this game so I think I'm more interested in forming a block of people I TR, aiming to pile votes in a common suspect and to reach roughly similar reads in D1. It would be a more effective pressure tool/ good way to get things rolling.

I didn't know eyesott was already such a popular wagon though.

[Churros]

Mastina can you howl again?

I sure can! Not right now, there's a limit to how often I can do it, but it's a repeatable action that I intend to continue using at every opportunity I can. (And yes, it is an activated action, not a passive one. I have to manually trigger it.)

I felt eyesott posting was forced

Take a look at Adorable's posting and tell me it isn't forced.

The main reason I'm TR'ing both slots is that I feel both actively invested in solving the game, in a way that it's not just a "solvy post to look busy".

I have a saying.
Effort != Alignment. (This would be the aforementioned hypocrisy in that I admit that part of the reason I am liking EP's posts more is that they have more effort behind them.)

More than that.

Adorable's posts are precisely that--'solvey' posts to look busy, without actually having a natural fluidity to them.

Read my post 360 in its full to see the notable contrast between Adorable as town in every towngame of hers previously, and Adorable of this game, and how Adorable as scum is a dead-ringer to this game.

Adorable as town has an aura of casualness to her. She's fluid, she's got this natural flow to her content which comes across as incredibly good.
Adorable this game has been forcing after forcing. There's an aggression to her that's utterly absent from her towngames, but which was the defining trait of her scumgame. This is an Adorable who has been forward, who has been pushing hard, rather than going with the flow.

Adorable as town is like a leaf on a river, drifting along with the flow.
Adorable this game is a rock in that river, cutting through it, unmoving, forcing the river to go around it. A trait she has displayed in her completed scumgame, but not a trait present in literally any of her towngames.

I don't know about agreeing with the content of this post because I've only see scum!Adorable lurk and be uninvolved in the game, but I...town lean this content?

I never thought I would give mastina such a easy town lean but I don't feel there's an agenda by her tone here and I always get the feeling she has an agenda to her reads when scum.

[Churros]

Gobble from 0 to 10, how much you enjoy playing scum and again from 0 to 10 how much effort do you usually put in your scum games?

Don't lie because I might find out if you do.

[Churros]

I've procastinated today and didn't re:read the game but...yeah I think I'm just going to keep going from here, I'm getting a good grasp here already. Maybe.

I'll try to check out Adorable case/meta another day, out of respect for mastina I'm putting him a bracket below what I would normally have him as

[Chronos]
[Suji, Mastina, Adorable]
[Gobble]
[everyone else]
[Titus, Eyesott]

[Churros]

Maybe Suji is a bracket below, or not.

I definitely feel like scum!Suji wouldn't make that entrance he did but a "3 posts" read is kinda meh I guess.

[Churros]

Fast forward to now, and what have I learned? I have no idea. I don't think this plan of mine actually achieved anything other than confusing everyone and distracting myself from actual scumhunting. So for that, I apologise. If anyone would like the data from my little experiment (as in when I leaked my role to who) because they think I may have been onto something, I'm more than willing to provide the information.

Could you be more straightforward with your posts?

I'm entertaining reconsidering my read on you because giving people flavours seems fairly useless for a scum role in madness setup (is the setup roles randomly generated though? I don't quite understand "madness setups" other than there's lot of weirds roles and madness), but your posting is really lackluster.

RVS you spent a lot of your posts making silly content while there was already useful discussion going around

Your posts there were really awkward and sounding like you wanted to fit in, especially your early unvote.

What was going on in your mind in early game?

[Churros]

What was going on in your mind in early game?

This seems vague so I mean as in: what you felt back there etc, and was you into anything other than crumbing your role?

[Churros]

I've procastinated today and didn't re:read the game but...yeah I think I'm just going to keep going from here, I'm getting a good grasp here already. Maybe.

I'll try to check out Adorable case/meta another day, out of respect for mastina I'm putting him a bracket below what I would normally have him as

[Chronos]
[Suji, Mastina, Adorable]
[Gobble]
[everyone else]
[Titus, Eyesott]

How do you have Suji as town? How do you have EP as an unsorted afterthought?

VOTE: Titus

I had already explained in the above post my position in Suji, and I have also talked about how I haven't really read much of the game, skimmed a lot. It's somewhat apparent I wouldn't have a grasp in EP's situation, and Chronos x EP in this past posts have been so much theory oriented I have began to skim it as well.

I don't like you asking me about EP when I've stated multiple times to not have a hold on every slot yet but it's ok, something still relatively normal/natural to post/question.

Now, asking me about Suji when I explained in the post above seems like you trying to look busy. Skimming my posts would be fine as well but why question my read list when you've not even read my post explaining it?

[Churros]

I was meant to be sleeping...

I really gotta go now...

[Churros]

I've not forgotten about you eyesott, just saying.

[Churros]

Titus... are you reading my posts?

Do you feel like she's not? Can you point out an example?

Because in my case she was clearly not reading my posts but kind of pretending she is.

[Churros]

If someone would post a succinct explanation of anything major that happened in the game before it would be very helpful by the way.

[Churros]

Succint is the key word in that phrase.

[Churros]

I...don't have a read state Titus. I kind of stated that I don't have a read state in the post you just replied to...?

[Churros]

I'm understanding read state as kind of gamestate read, in which case I truly don't have because I've as stated not fully read the game and mostly parsed ISOs.

How did you misunderstand what I was trying to convey in those posts?

I really should sleep now as well.

[Churros]

That's literally impossible to not have a read on EP though. It's so baffling. To not even take a position on EP is so baffling that it's either scum faking it or town so not reading the game as to not be taken seriously at all. The nonsensical and incomprehensible waffling on Suji despite him being a townread doesn't help either.

You aren't misconveying anything as much as you legitimately say nothing and are proud of it because it's not a "gamestate" read.

I'll give this an detailed explanation to get some things out of the way.

The sole reason for this alt is to play this game casually, only doing what I feel comfortable doing. I only replaced in this game because I've a objective of always being in 2 to 3 games during the year so that I always have something to read when I feel like playing, but not too many or large for me to get overwhelmed.

That said, it's nothing personal, but I find this game somewhat distasteful at least currently. There's a lot of unnecesary walls and everyone playstyle here seems to write lenghty/wordy overanalysis that I often don't feel like reading. 10 pages of this game might as well have as many words as 20 or even 25 of some other games because of those walls, that sometimes don't go anywhere interesting by the end.

I didn't feel like reading them so I skipped a lot of posts and focused on some posts/ISOs that I felt were sticking out. As a personal philosophy I often find those analytical posts meaningless, when I play scum those are the easiest to fake.

I don't feel like going back and reading this game in particular therefore I'm mostly only reading the game after I replaced in, and even then if I sense you post is going nowhere like some discussion on mafia theory that happened in the last pages, I'm skipping it and calling it NAI.

[Churros]

Gobble from 0 to 10, how much you enjoy playing scum and again from 0 to 10 how much effort do you usually put in your scum games?

Don't lie because I might find out if you do.

Last town game I played with him he definitely put way less effort in and way less posts

Do you think effort can be easily seen through just posts in the main thread?

Yes

[Churros]

I'm dropping my TR on Sujimichi for now, he began to post questions and posts that I don't see a lot of purpose behind, the kind of thing that makes them look busy while I don't feel they are.

I've also read to some extent Adorable scum game that mastina linked and yeah, she's very overly analytical there just like she seems to be here, she sounded a bit lighter and more natural in her recently finished game with me Mini Normal 2124.

I just thought effort was equal to town for her, I didn't expect to see her putting so much effort in her scum game posts when she literally flaked often on her marathon scum games for what I assume was a dislike of the alignment.

I may or may not be confusing whoever I saw flake on marathons too, but I don't think it was someone else. I vaguely remember a jigglypuff or the name adorable.

[Churros]

Adorable has requested replacement.

Deadline will remain frozen until a replacement is found for both BP and Adorable.

uh

[Churros]

Unless I missed it, no one seems to have answered me on a quick catch-up of important things in this game.

Not sure why you're more interested in shading me than in properly explaining EP's situation to me either titus. If it's as urgent as you're trying to make it be.

[Churros]

I'm still good on my vote on Titus and I will feel even better about it if I don't find her reason for "lockscum" EP convincing.

[Churros]

I feel less happy about my town lean on gobble as well

I'm gonna keep my town core as only [Chronos, Mastina] for now

I'm kind of doubtful scum!Adorable ever replaces out like that though mastina, that would be even...slightly unethical. I don't see Adorable in that light.

[Churros]

I thought you would be the type to put significantly less effort as scum than you admitted you do, but that's not really all.

I don't have any specific reason other than I liked more the vibe of your opening than the vibe of your most recent posting

It had a lighter/carefree tone to it, kinda. I don't have any bad pings from you though, I just don't place confidence on you being town right now.

[Churros]

I could quote some phrases which made me think that but that's too much work

off the top of my head I remember you posting huge commentary walls but also saying hi to people in thread in a friendly way, posting emojis at the middle of the text, saying things like "Town core: Activatem Scum core: Die!" etc. It may seem minor but I get my reads on minor things.

You were serious business while at the same time not being serious business which made me get a warm feeling on you that I don't really have right now for some reason.

[Churros]

It's not like you stopped being friendly but I don't get the fuzzy warm feelings from your posts anymore.

I don't know what to say beyond that, I'm trying to follow my instinctual feelings this game. They disappoint me way less frequently than my logical side.

[Churros]

VOTE: Adorable

I feel better about this now that she has replaced out of the game.

Why did her replacing change your feeling about the vote?

I don’t have the moral guilt of voting for Adorable anymore.

Do you think that the replace out is scum indicative though?

[Churros]

I had no answers about EP from Titus that apparently has him as "lockscum". I asked twice after she asked for me to give a opinion on EP.

Ok. I read her entire ISO calmly.

She's full of shit. Even if you scum read EP there's no "lockscum" there and you assume for little reason that hydra + EP + BP are partners.

I feel you're really completely full of shit. I hard SR the slot right now and I don't know why everyone isn't voting there yet.

I can see Adorable flipping scum because of meta but with the replace out I feel it's kind of fifty/fifty, while Titus is just...scummy.

@Gobble why adorable and not titus?

@Espresso why are you not voting her when from your POV she probably should be #1 suspect?

Mastina what's your Titus read right now.

[Churros]

momo replaces Adorable

I've mixed feelings.

[Churros]

I'm kinda afraid of keeping my push on Titus here only for Adorable to flip scum. I'll give you that.

[Churros]

I don't know if Adorable flipping scum would make me reconsider my Titus read though.

Especially since she is trying to get attention on EP/BP when there's the Adorable wagon. I don't feel there's any reason to connect them but there's no reason to disconnect either.

[Churros]

I don't think Rabid is necessarily town. I can see him flipping either way.

Still, I don't get the flashwagon on him in EoD.

[Churros]

I still think Titus is the most likely scum slot here, but I don't think she is likely a EP partner. I wouldn't say it's impossible though, no one should completely clear her if EP is scum, but yeah I would give her some credit.

Titus scum read on EP seems forced no matter how I look at it, even if I do have to some degree a scum read on Espresso for the way he handled the adorable wagon. Titus hard scum read on him though came way before that and it lacks any kind of real progression or her weightning possibilities. It's just a mindless replay of "EP scum, EP scum, EP scum" with little to no reason even when I tried to interact with her.

Mastina read on pisskop also feels similar. I get thinking pisskop the lurker slot might be scum, I don't get having 100% confidence on it though and keep voting in other wagons. Both Titus/Mastina scum read pisskop and everyone is hedging on the slot being scum, but no one takes the initiative to push him directly?

I don't know yet who I'm going to choose between flipping EP or Rabid if that's how the wagons are going to look at EoD.

I think EP is more useful to keep around if town, but a more valuable flip either being town or scum because in this gamestate. It would also force Titus my main SR to actually stop hiding behind her awful push if he's town, and I will probably reavalueate my read on her if he's scum.

V/LA through Weekend.

[Churros]

I'm gonna leave this here just in case I don't check the game in time

VOTE: Rabid

If it's between EP and Rabid right now I'm choosing Rabid because of his lackluster ISO plus EP is being pushed by the scummiest slot in the table for me.

In hindsight I don't think the flashwagon is bad because regardless of what he flips there's lots of raw info about wagonomics in all major suspects. VCA will look great here for later I think.

[Churros]

To be fair after looking a bit at his ISO Rabid is one of the most high equity scum slots after Titus.

I believe considerably more in him flipping scum than either Adorable or EP at this point.

[Churros]

I've even less TRs with that nightkill.

I still SR Titus, and because of mastina kill I might also be looking in [Momo, Pisskop].

I do wonder the chances where this was a fearkill vs mastina was widely town read or another reason though.

[Churros]

I don't want to vote Titus yet though, I'm considering who to vote in [Titus, Momo, Pisskop]

[Churros]

I've even less TRs with that nightkill.

I still SR Titus, and because of mastina kill I might also be looking in [Momo, Pisskop].

I do wonder the chances where this was a fearkill vs mastina was widely town read or another reason though.

First things first. I lied yesterday. I don't have a result. I am just a VT. If that gets me lynched today, so be it. I wasn't about to be flash lynched before the scumreads I thought I had caught.

Now, onto today's scumhunting.

Gobble, my meta is not bus happy at all as scum. I protect my "babies" as scum. Why are you putting forth that idea? Are you prepping for a world where you cannot lynch me but want to discredit my reads?

EP, fair question on the wagonomics. I'll do that when it's not 4 am.

Titus, what result did you imply you would have today?

I posted in the wrong game. Please disregard the PT Cop and lack of a result discussion.

For some reason...I don't dislike this posts. I find scum!titus more linear, even if it was some kind of confusion, I'm not sure she would confuse her role if she was scum?

I really scum read her slot individually though...

[Churros]

I've seen Egix play scum, and I kinda had him in my scum leans from the get-go. He looked kinda either way in D1 but his posts today/reaction to wagon don't ping me as scum!him. Out of the wagons right now I would rather do this

VOTE: momo

Chronos why one-liners since getting widely town read?

[Churros]

V/LA until Monday.

[Churros]

Gonna give this game more love tonight. Not enough time in lunch break.

[Churros]

I'm here

Seen the above

Chronos is not really a town read anymore

[Churros]

Churros, what is it about today that makes you think Egix is town?

I think I wasn't clear. When I saw scum!Egix play, I distinctly remember my scum radar going off on him in the first few pages. His posting seemed...very forced, and his whole nature political not necessarily in his play but also in his tone. It felt like a pseudo-intelectual trying to put up a show of being someone balanced and trustworthy. I don't necessarily town read the slot, I just don't think it's as bad as people are making it out to be.

I was just looking at Egix wagon to see how it was formed and this is what I came up with:

You voted Egix first after having voted Suji. No one really seemed much interested in Suji vs You other than a few people. Now after you comes Chronos with a naked vote, alimdia with a naked vote on Egix after saying that NK likely points to momo, and EP says that he's now town reading momo and votes Egix anyway.

Not exactly what I see as a great wagon. Titus vanity voting pisskop when there's momo one of her scum reads with a wagon rivaling Egix also makes me go "hmm".

Like, everyone is been hedging on momo but everyone votes elsewhere?

I don't like that?

[Churros]

I don't like EP going soft on Titus either. It looks more like scum flaking now that Titus is pushing him less than a real read.

Titus was on your ass 24/7 yesterday but only after she goes a bit silent on you, you realize that her aggressiveness can be town-indicative?

(by the way it's definitely not from my experience, scum!titus cases are always horseshit for me while town!Titus cases are more understandable, another reason I was SR the slot)

With all due respect I don't feel scum!Titus knows how to push her cases other than being loud about weird logic. At least it's what I saw from large theme heroes mafia and another game which I don't remember the name.

[Churros]

Eyesott/Pisskop, what do you think of actually being useful and voting someone? or doing anything, really.

[Churros]

I just realized we've less time than I was imagining until deadline. I might need to check this game more often during this day.

Ali if the NK points to momo, why voting Egix?

I think Chronos is gonna flake out, gonna wait for replacement there.

(You really should freeze deadline when replacing him TL)

[Churros]

Oh wow, I suck. I forgot to check this game on my past lunch break.

I do blame 40% the game and 60% myself to be honest.

[Churros]

Momo wagon got deflected to pisskop now, interesting.

By Titus nonetheless.

[Churros]

Could you link me the relevant scum games you're talking about here? I'd like to look them over to see what you mean.

What's wrong with me townreading momo and voting Egix?

I just thought the timing of the switch was odd, like your switch about titus as well.

I dunno, I just feel like town is more willing to change up their reads for little to no reasons. In addition to finding Titus' actions more likely town than scum, her dramatic shift on me today felt towny. Scum!Titus probably could have kept gunning for me, but she randomly decided to start working with me a bit today.

As above, can you link the Heroes Mafia game for me?

__________

One more question to you, though others can chime in too. What do you make of the general apathy for the wagons today? I can't make out if today has been slow due to game-related reasons or out-of-game reasons (ie. quarantining).

I won't be linking up games because I don't want to out my identity. You can easily search them yourself in her historic.

About the apathy for the wagons I think either scum is all in the lurkers (unlikely) or scum are just happy enough about the gamestate. Throw in a bunch of demotivated townies as well in the recipe. Maybe and just maybe scum don't feel like playing the game though.

[Churros]

There's no more time to small talk, we're less than 24 hours to deadline.

It's either Egix or Pisskop by this point. Momo is feeling more and more like a vanity wagon right now. Anything other than those two right now it's a shameless waste of a vote.

I thought pisskop could maybe flip scum because of the mastina nightkill earlier but his wagon really stinks, especially given that I see it as a second deflection of the momo wagon, that also got rivaled by Egix wagon(Egix voters and Pisskop voters are also similar by the way, as is their lack of actual reasons for the votes). Right now I don't think pisskop flips scum at all. It's going to probably be a stupid low-information mislynch that scum got advantage of in EoD. Pisskop lurking isn't alignment indicative and it's scummy whoever has implied that while knowing him. For instance I won a scum game by mislynching pisskop like that, and although unlikely, if I ever get NK'ed you should stop being silly and push either Titus or Momo tomorrow in my place. My mind is at a Titus + Momo team atm.

Between Egix and Pisskop though, I'll take over flipping the useless slot instead of the one I'm roughly ok with.

VOTE: pisskop

[Churros]

Pisskop, claim.

[Churros]

I've always wanted Pisskop as my number 1 SR. Why is it surprising I lead the defectors away from momo v egix?

It's not surprising, it's just what happened and something to consider in tomorrow analysis.

[Churros]

But does that make it better to kill him than to no lunch?

why would we ever no lynch?

Anyway, you said you would rather vote momo instead of pisskop, but you've voted no one yet? What's up?

[Churros]

Now eyesott is the 100th person to hint on scum!momo but do absolutely nothing to push it btw

[Churros]

By voting pkop, you are only further cementing this.

It was cemented that one of you would be lynched when we got to 24 hours to deadline and momo wagon had dissipated because titus wanted to lynch a lurker slot for lurking and everyone for some reason voted it again right after we had mislynched Rabid yesterday.

I'm just choosing the least damaging path between you two.

[Churros]

If the board tomorrow doesn't consider Titus seriously I'm throwing the towel because this is one of the most dysfunctional town games I've ever had.

[Churros]

Eyesott I don't like one bit your indecision between pisskop and momo, because I'm viewing it as you wanting to eat your cake and have it too

If you:

1) don't want to lynch pisskop
2) think momo is scummy

there's no other action to do here other than voting Momo. Right now I'm see'ing your behavior as not wanting to take responsability for pisskop mislynch tomorrow, at the same time you want to call momo scummy without having him lynched.

Momo wagon right now is kinda of too late though, but voting it would be a begin if that's how you feel?

[Churros]

I suppose you’re right. I would be happy if somehow people moved over to momo in the next few hours and lynched them instead. VOTE: momo
Thanks for holding me accountable Churros

that's better

what a great guy that Churros is

maybe

Sigh.

Im an xshot tracker.

VOTE: egix

can we not use me not really wanting to play as a pretext to rope me?

Tracker in this setup seems pretty confirmable but why egix over momo?

[Churros]

survivalism. I think momo has better odds, at least.

Id do momo if it keeps me alive.

I actually like your shamelessness tbh

I've seen you be smarter than that as scum

VOTE: momo

I'm mulling over if we should leash your or not, but you definitely always shot tonight.

What's your N1 result?

[Churros]

You either come to momo or I lynch you because we're not doing Egix today.

[Churros]

@mod is alignment rolled after or before a role is given to a slot here?

just for setup spec sake.

[Churros]

I'm only threatening because I can tbh

it's as simple as that

been there, done that

[Churros]

Ali, do you confirm the above?

[Churros]

ok someone bussed I'm 100% sure but I'm also pretty confident that it means we hit scum

That wagon speed was just wow. I think scum got afraid of sitting on pisskop or egix when buddy!momo could go through?

[Churros]

Yes, we probably did it reddit.

Hopefully there's less lurking tomorrow with that although I'm one of those to blame

[Churros]

The Egix chilled thing was me by the way. I thought he could be a designated mislynch today and did that.

[Churros]

That early pk wagon is curious. Even more curious that there is no hammer yet

gobble posted elsewhere but not here yet though. EP I don't think is on.

[Churros]

I probably should begin to take this game more seriously by this point tbh

titus vote I get but eyesott/Eve, are you guys so confident on scum!pk that you voted him out of gate in what is probably LyLo?

3 scum is more likely than 2 here imo.

[Churros]

I didn't exactly know if the alignment would be reveled or not. I asked TL but he didn't exactly clarify it, but from my role text it assumed it more likely than not didn't.

I did that because I don't think Egix is scum at all and he could easily been a final mislynch in my pov. I'm sorry if I'm wrong, I'll take the blame post-game, but I'm confident on this.

Gamestate doesn't make lots of sense here with scum!Egix to me, in fact I'm not sure we've seriously wagon'ed scum yet at all.

[Churros]

He's gonna return to the game if it wasn't clear. It's just for today.

[Churros]

I particularly don't like how eyesott voted this out of the gate because I think he would probably take this more seriously.

Eve I could see gate-voting.

[Churros]

I can see that happening eye

but you didn't consider that if pk is town and we're in LyLo, scum can say whatever they want to you especially given that they didn't identify themselves?

I'm more trying to understand where you're coming from than to question that claim fwiw, at least for now.

[Churros]

Lsat night I followed churros.

it's kinda pretty convenient you followed the unique person that already declared their target but ok

why did you follow me though?

[Churros]

But given that there’s only 8 players now, we could be in MyLo
So the messenger could be a scum trying to force a mislynch
I think it’s more likely that he’s scum, and I’m itching for a red flip. I haven’t seen one in years and I want to sink my teeth into the flesh of scum ASAP

hadn't seen this post.

[Churros]

How did you go from town!pisskop that you would refuse to lynch yesterday to this though?

It's not about the message as much it is you instantly seemed to believe that the message is true.

[Churros]

Lsat night I followed churros.

it's kinda pretty convenient you followed the unique person that already declared their target but ok

why did you follow me though?

It sounds like you dont believe I tracked you?

It's the same kind of question that I'm asking eye. I just want to understand why you would choose me in particular.

[Churros]

Sorry I stayed up all night and thought about checking the game before going to sleep but what do you want exactly from me?

I'm not at my best state

[Churros]

NAR you mean night action resolution?

The treestumped person can't be affected by any night abilities, if I was to treestump the nightkill I suppose it would also block the kill itself maybe, although I'm not sure of the later part.

[Churros]

They can post though, not sure why Egix didn't say anything yet. I saw him post elsewhere/online

[Churros]

I slightly feel like I can have messed up by doing this but I don't think I did. probably.

[Churros]

Titus being my first SR historically means I'm more likely than not right on her because my reads progressively get worse most of the time, but at the same time I'm off put on my reads being roughly wrong in the past two days.

I probably need a soft reset here

[Churros]

I'm gonna do a partial claim, and redact some stuff because I don't want to give other info away 'freely'

I am an mailman. I sent a mail to Eve last night. The contents of the mail shall remain secret for now, but it definitely is NOT 'I'm a JOAT and I got a guilty on pisskop N1', so that rules out me being redirected to eyescott.
I did not send a mail to anyone else last night. Therefore, I'm struggling to understand how eyescott got a mail last night.
I also did not send mail on N1, Eve should understand why.

The conclusion is that the mailman is either scum or eyescott is just bs'ing the whole thing up.

Interesting claim at this gamestate.

[Churros]

Titus, you know we can't lynch Egix right? He got treestumped.

I really can't tell if thats an anti town play or scum play

[Churros]

Its fake.

I followed Churros because he rigged up the lynch yesterday.

I saw you saying "what if town gets treestumped" tomorrow early as well

are you hedging on scum!me

I wouldn't have much motivation to treestump egix here either as scum

[Churros]

I just ran it in my head and if we mislynch today we're still in 3v4

I'm not sure if it's because I'm too used to micro/smaller/newbie setups but I would have thought that 3 mislynches and it's game over was the standard for almost every setup baring large themes

weird

4 mislynches to game over seems pretty town sided to me.

[Churros]

If this isn't MyLo I'm going to play it more lax

Gun to my head there's at least one scum in [Titus, Eyesott, Pisskop] with those claim shenanigans

I think they are also self-resolving

I'm more worried about nailing partners than I'm in resolving they tomorrow if we still have 2 lynches.

Titus might be also self-resolving by whoever flips scum in [Eyesott, PK].

[Churros]

Churros if the flip today is town you can’t use your ability

[Churros]

is there any way both mailmans are town?

or does it make more sense for one to be scum?

I would say that one of them is likely scum

[Churros]

I could see they both being town though.

Depends on full claim as well.

[Churros]

It's puzzling to me why the JOAT wouldn't claim a guilty in N1 though.

Supposing the JOAT is real, he would have something like a cop shot I imagine as one of his powers if he has a "guilty". His second power seems to be mailman.

What's his third or fourth power?

He says he isn't claiming because of the rest of his powers but instead of using the second more useful power and claiming in the thread afterwards, they send a message to eyesott and wants to claim only tomorrow

Supposing we lynch pisskop today and he flips town, tomorrow we would probably lynch eyesott

if by any chance both of they are town, scum just made a perfect setup

[Churros]

if PK flips town there's no way in hell everyone won't want to lynch Eyesott if the JOAT doesn't come forward.

With ali already claiming mailman I do think this can be easily a set-up.

[Churros]

fake claim a guilty on pk?

really.

[Churros]

If there is a JOAT like you said I don't want they to claim right now though at all for instance.

Even if we're doubting them.

I'm just considering all possibilities here. If it's a town JOAT and pisskop is really scum, it can be very advantageous for him to be hidden today.

[Churros]

I can later decide that they should claim because I highly doubt that mail but right now I'm still mulling it over.

I think we straight up can win if the JOAT is town and the mail is true while at the same time we can straight up lose if the mail is false/a setup.

[Churros]

This is highly speculative as well but if that JOAT claim is true, I might have an idea of what type of powers he might have left and it would really be very pro-town for him to remain hidden if this is all true.

Asking you to fake claim of your own rather than mention anything about the mail gives me goosebumps though.

If you hadn't mentioned the mail like he suggested, we wouldn't believed you tomorrow if pk is town.

p-edit: I dunno about that

[Churros]

PK was also coincidentally voted out of the gate today although considering yesterday it's not really surprising.

[Churros]

Eyesott if you have goosebumps from the mail why did you immediately trust it though?

[Churros]

I found weird how you trusted the mail from the get-go when you seemed confident PK was town yesterday even proposing no-lynch rather than a pk lynch. But it's even more weird if you think the mail is indeed oddly-worded, had pk as town yesterday, but had no doubts about the mail until recently?

[Churros]

I'm going to feel silly if Egix is scum and I just kinda protected him

I'm really sorry if it's ever the case

[Churros]

If Egix is town and I may just have saved this game you should send me churros via private message though

[Churros]

I'm going to ignore people hedging on my role until tomorrow/massclaim

[Churros]

Sorry, I'm not in the mood to play mafia and I couldn't get a confident solve before this so I don't know who to vote here.

I'm fine defaulting to consensus, town is winning substantially more than losing nowadays.

Is our consensus one of [eye/pk]? I'm fine voting whoever of them come to L-1.

[Churros]

I'm a bit better than before

I'm going to try to decide after coming from V/LA

I don't think the day should take much longer either.

V/LA for saturday/monday.

[Churros]

I know Eve is a memer, I think that's what she is asking for help with.

That said, if you're town that was kinda in bad taste Eve.

I'm going to cut your wi-fi for one week because if it wasn't for other reasons I would begin doubting my read on you a bit.

[Churros]

My gobbles read is only getting worse. You're kinda voting whatever wagon shows up.

[Churros]

In fact it weirds me out as well that there's considerable amount of people hedging on him scum but no vote yet at all.

VOTE: gobbles

I can do either pisskop or eyesott as well. I think they are a bit self resolving either today or tomorrow in the massclaim.

[Churros]

VOTE: pisskop

If PK flips town I'm looking at exactly Gobble/Eye I think. Maybe Titus.

If it flips scum I should look at this day again because Idk.

I want the day to end already. Either way tomorrow we probably massclaim because that would be very helpful.

[Churros]

Titus flipped their permanent SR on pk to TR now that he's being flipped, and she is putting gobble/EP/me to push tomorrow for "mislynching pk" today probably.

I regret a bit not gunning for Titus today but I wanted to resolve this eye vs pk either way.

[Churros]

Yeah Titus dies tomorrow
Don’t use your ability if th is is town churros

I know

[Churros]

Uh...

That's surprising.

It may be for the best that the mason doesn't claim in that case until L-1? since he's not obvious after all

although that also leaves them open to a counterclaim if they haven't crumbed it right.

[Churros]

V excited for the full claim today.

I'm actually not sure if a massclaim is helpful right now to be fair

I was supposing worst-case-scenario of us mislynching a bit, didn't expect to get scum with how weird the day was being played out.

[Churros]

It's kinda huh that his flavor has "town" on it, sure.

[Churros]

I'm...going to suppose the JOAT doesn't exist in that case and Eve was the mailman?

I can see her doing a fake guilty if she was confident on her read on PK

so much to go wrong though if it didn't flip right

confusing

[Churros]

It didn't really make sense to me why a JOAT with a guilty wouldn't claim it when they got it, and use a mailman ability instead of something more useful to claim faster (mailman was kinda useless when we couldn't trust the mail).

But...if it's Eve lol playing with a fake guilty I could see it happening because the guilty never existed in the first place and she was only gambiting around. It's stupid but it makes more sense than not claiming a guilty?

Maybe?

[Churros]

He's the one that gives flavor.

That's his flavor.

It technically means not something the mod has choosen to him, but something he choose himself.

Hmmm.

[Churros]

Maybe I'm wrong though

@eye was it the mod or yourself that gave you that "flavour" ?

[Churros]

I kinda have a strong read here already in hindsight but I'll wait for more slots to chill in

[Churros]

@Churros - I see you didn't treestump anyone today. What was your thought process behind that decision?

I would like to only reveal it in the massclaim if possible. I think it only gives a edge to scum if I reveal now.

[Churros]

I've lost my confidence on Egix being necessarily town as well

my reads/gamestate reads haven't been proven to be any right and seeing as I considered before treestump'ing pisskop for thinking his wagon might be scum motivated, I'm more hesitant on doing risky shots, just to give a heads up.

[Churros]

This game is actually...quite depressing to me. My performance on doubles mafia was already on the err side to me but here it's just ouright dissapointing.

Titus why did you have a sudden change of heart on pisskop yesterday though?

If I can TR you, I'm becoming very inclined to sheep you.

Doubles Mafia you outright caught Shuichi (VCA yes, but still...)

Here you had PK as a scum read very early

It bothers me that you suddenly pulled a 180º on him, but I also feel it's such weird play if you're wolf. Hard bus your partner and switch to TR when the wagon is finally going through is weird even if I try to look at this in terms of Titus-weird or BBMolla-weird.

[Churros]

He's the one that gives flavor.

That's his flavor.

It technically means not something the mod has choosen to him, but something he choose himself.

Hmmm.

Perhaps Eyestott is scum who only flavors town?

Idk

It doesn't help that I consider TemporalLich an slightly eccentric person

[Churros]

I guess that makes some sense

I also thought it was strange to not claim a guilty in public thread but use mailman

We probably should consider it was fake/Eve for now in that case.

[Churros]

You've Eye in your pool.

Do you think the way he reacted to the "guilty" was partner-indicative or it's a read independent of that?

[Churros]

I was thinking back to what I thought yesterday in how I found odd he instantly believed a mail that every one of us thought it was suspicious, even himself later backing down from it.

With asking him to even fake claim, it could easily be a setup, but he instantly believed it with by voting pisskop out of the gate.

The fact Eve also voted PK out of the gate points to her actually being the one to send it after all I guess?

[Churros]

wait didn't you say you wanted more gobble out of everyone?

[Churros]

My pool is Alimeda, gobble, eyestott. Preference gobble.

There's no egix here either?

[Churros]

Gobbles can you explain your Titus vote

You've been naked voting a lot

[Churros]

Can I have a list of everyone’s top three picks for the remaining scum?

I don't think I'm willing to work on "remaining scum" yet

I would say I doubt there's no scum in [Eye, EP, you], maybe Egix, but I would only try teams here after flips

There's too many possibilities here, it's not a linear game as say, double mafia wagons were.

[Churros]

I can see either Titus or Ali being scum, but I think Ali/Titus as a team has a low probability and it's the "big if" that I'll not be able to counter, therefore I'm looking on

at least one scum in [Eye, EP, Gobble, Egix]

maybe or not one scum in [Titus, Ali], but probably not both.

[Churros]

...

[Churros]

Eyestott is scum, he just claims he never received a letter

That would be essentially a second guilty if the JOAT existed, and he would have no reason to believe it's fake when the result was right.

I disagree with this logic.

That said...something clicked to me.

[Churros]

Egix, are you claiming Watcher or Voyeur, basically?

You say you can see if someone was targeted, but do you see who targeted or not?

Do you learn what kind of actions was used on the person?

[Churros]

Yes, I'm entertaining Egix being actually the tracker and they swapped because pisskop couldn't claim any confirmable PR to save himself since he was basically "Strongman Mafioso".

I don't see why he would claim Tracker if they weren't able to have any results they could show up.

Alternatively they had other means to know Ali hadn't targeted anyone in N1, or Ali himself is a buddy, but it would be...pretty stupid from him to only depend on his partners for his "targets".

I think most likely than not they could produce some kind of results to fake being a tracker otherwise they could have claimed jailkeeper or something else.

Anything would be better than a Tracker fakeclaim in a role madness game where almost everyone (or everyone) has night actions.

I'm gonna assume they are smarter than that.

[Churros]

Egix being actually the tracker

If not tracker something similar enough that could claim "results"

That's what I meant by "something just clicked".

[Churros]

If you're locking your read on EP I could entertain sheeping you today rather than defaulting to Egix.

I must say I'm interested in how much fire your reads have. I'm beginning, and only beginning to be honest, to get impressed, and if EP is a stronger read than Egix, maybe we should go there.

You said PK was your strongest read and we didn't hear you. I can hear you now for today, it isn't LyLo either way.

Are you locking that read? Are you as confident on it as you were in PK and Shuichi?

Same methods?

[Churros]

Fair point, but I still want to hear from Titus.

Whatever I'll decide is another question though, sure.

[Churros]

Hmm.

Who is scum Egix? You haven't voiced any reads yet.

If you plan to re:read before, when?

don't you have any guts either?

[Churros]

V/LA through Friday/Saturday/Monday

[Churros]

Gobble, we never targeted you because I couldn't wrap my head about the possibility of we being able to get 2 NKs + treestump in a single night. It could end this even faster prematurely.

I was like "there's gotta to be a 22 catch there".

[Churros]

I thought about being noble and missing one NK to balance this out for town but I'm far too unenthusiastic on playing scum nowadays to give it a go.

[Churros]

I thought about being noble and missing one NK to balance this out for town but I'm far too unenthusiastic on playing scum nowadays to give it a go.

Haha, nah, don’t pass up on the chance for a free scum win!

I kinda think we could manage to win today by NK'ing Titus and a LyLo with Me/Ali/Gobble/Ep/Eye, but that would require more effort in a game I had been waiting for almost a month to end.

[Churros]

This game may be more balanced if mafia is beam splitter and treestumper is town.

Probably completely balanced.

[Churros]

I feel we could have this exact same game and it would be balanced, as long as we reversed beam splitter/treestumper alignments.