Mini 2167: Illicit Substances Mafia (Game Over!)

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Rawr, I am a dragon

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and I slay dragons

VOTE: April Ludgate

What a fake and forced interaction you’re creating.

I am an unslayable dragon.

VOTE: Remelia

OMGUS POWER

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I think we chase dragons in this thread

-b

This is why I think it is scum aligned and forced. This only is good for getting momentum on a slot that hasn’t made an appearance more than one. Gut feeling this is scum, I shall keep one of my eyes here.

They mistaked. I ain’t your average townie trollie

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and I slay dragons

VOTE: April Ludgate

What a fake and forced interaction you’re creating.

I am an unslayable dragon.

VOTE: Remelia

OMGUS POWER

Let's collectively pretend you didn't make this post, and try again given the fifteen pages of content ITT for you to react to instead.

This could be a partner making a hatchet attempt.

Let me check the join date of the player because if it’s like pre 2013, players hatcheted constantly.

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I must admit, this game is not doing a good job of making hydras look easy to play with.

This is on par with your entire iso.

And my good friend Something Smart is also being discredited and chopped at for momentum.

@Something Smart - good sign for you being town here. Last time this happened we ended up catching scum, even if I was killed in the finals.

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It’s literally right below their avatar.

Not when I’ in reply mode. I clicked reply, then went to check.

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May I introduce myself to those who may not have their eyes able to see in such a sky, my name is Emperor Flavor Leaf, some may call me the Boonienator, aka Boonskiies, also known as I just made that up on the spot.

I am baiting scum to come at me right now, and I have a high force people to react style and a proven track record of catching scum.

Town will also likely come at me, but that’s the analysis part

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This attempt at humor is as bland as your main's namesake when brewed without any honey or milk, FL.


The adults in the room are trying to sort slots. You are trying to make noise.

I disagree. There is scum controlling a game.

I will halt that. I’m not entirely sure where it is, and I actually believe my Remelia read is already incorrect, so progress has been made.

This is not humor, despite the odd way of speaking, for I simply do not care. I just speak.

And you have noticed me.

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I am mildly amused.

It would be quite funny if this had been their opening 14 pages ago.

Sadly, it is now generating noise around our attempt to sort and or speak with and or brutally destory Something_Silly

To be fair, I just spent a week directing 2 short films and a comedy pilot, and the game started like yesterday, I posted once, then slept for 13 hours to catch up on sleep.

You guys played when I was unavailable.

I am here now, I feel that should be good for something.

I am not hiding, I am putting myself right in the center of attention, where I naturally go.

And I’ve been on site for like 7 years, the “kid” thing is nothing but a discredit attempt.

[April Ludgate]

May I introduce myself to those who may not have their eyes able to see in such a sky, my name is Emperor Flavor Leaf, some may call me the Boonienator, aka Boonskiies, also known as I just made that up on the spot.

I am baiting scum to come at me right now, and I have a high force people to react style and a proven track record of catching scum.

Town will also likely come at me, but that’s the analysis part

Best of luck to you. But don’t fos at the IC. I will scum read you for that and accidentally miseliminate you the more obvious it becomes.

Did I miss him being an official IC or is this the typical old school style poor play of letting scum run the game just because they talk?

Because I perfected that style to the max, and it’s just old now

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It’s precisely because they’re late that I find it funny. As either alignment, really.

I agree, I’m a hoot and a half.

I actually play the game too, which is why discredit attempts are suspish as a purple fish.

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Give me a game where you talked the most in the player list with pure concentrated solve.

I talk the most in every game I play.

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I got the gift of gab, baby

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My join date on this account should say a lot

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Cool.
Now start solving and maybe i’ll Town read you too.

It’s Day 1. To imply that a solve is at all what should be happening here and now is just not the way.

This is where reads start to develop, and I am currently getting a feel for the gamestate, the playerlist, and once I hyperanalyze everyone and the way they speak, the way they react to everyone, which I have already taken in, my analysis will come in.

This is an old school mindset of yours.

This is an alt, I’ve also played off site, I’ve had weekly face to face, sometimes daily, mafia groups, I’m a large theme mod.

So I am here right now to help everyone who doesn’t know me learn the way that I am and help them be able to better read me.

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And if anyone is going to be a fake IC this game, then it’s gotta be that no avatar guy because SECRET TUNNEL!!!!!

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I am mildly amused.

It would be quite funny if this had been their opening 14 pages ago.

Sadly, it is now generating noise around our attempt to sort and or speak with and or brutally destory Something_Silly

On top of this, my history with SS should be noted, and I am specifically defending him here. You can mark that down as something that I have done.

Instant town read because of the pressure on him when I showed up because it’s exactly what happened when I played a game with him with older players earlier in the year.

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I don’t really know what to say to that.
If you’re good enough you probably can steam roll the scum team day 1, day 2 and I guess day 3.

Nah, one of those will probably be a town read.

And you guys aren’t gonna wanna listen to me, so I have to figure that side of things out.

People like to push surface level reads because that’s what’s in front of them; I like to read gamestate and why said players are being pushed.

So who is your top scum read?

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Morph the cat, Bell, and Remelia are the people on my radar right now, as it seems they’ve been consistently posting to and with each other for a while.

I don’t scum read any of them currently now that I’ve caught up, and I don’t think multiple scum are in them.

It’s an interesting little trio, though.

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Cool.
Now start solving and maybe i’ll Town read you too.

It’s Day 1. To imply that a solve is at all what should be happening here and now is just not the way.

This is where reads start to develop, and I am currently getting a feel for the gamestate, the playerlist, and once I hyperanalyze everyone and the way they speak, the way they react to everyone, which I have already taken in, my analysis will come in.

This is an old school mindset of yours.

This is an alt, I’ve also played off site, I’ve had weekly face to face, sometimes daily, mafia groups, I’m a large theme mod.

So I am here right now to help everyone who doesn’t know me learn the way that I am and help them be able to better read me.

Would you like to start by looking over s_s's iso?

Oh, I already have.

Let me be clear, I understand why you have pushed him that way, I just don’t believe that it’s correct. He has a different type of style even for modern times, but the fact of the matter is, I’ve just seen this exact thing happen before. I’ll look for the game in a little bit, I’m about to go make some food.

I think he is getting playstyle pushed right now, and I will defend him if I don’t believe there to be anything other than that, especially so early in a game.

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I like when we naturally line up this early. It’s a good sign, SS.

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I don’t really know what to say to that.
If you’re good enough you probably can steam roll the scum team day 1, day 2 and I guess day 3.

Nah, one of those will probably be a town read.

And you guys aren’t gonna wanna listen to me, so I have to figure that side of things out.

People like to push surface level reads because that’s what’s in front of them; I like to read gamestate and why said players are being pushed.

So who is your top scum read?

Yes, it turns out that town don’t know who the scum are and they often make mistakes. Does that mean town fan’t Destroy the scum team? It just means it’s unlikely. Also, I feel a little weird where you’re talking like half the people here can’t read nuance or subtlety.

If you say the right words in the right way I will listen to you. Same as anyone else.

Rn? Probably +J, tunnel. But they’re basically null reads rn.

My philosophy is if you are dead wrong 3 days in a row, but day 4 come in with the exact right solve, that’s an MVP play right there.

I agree, wrong reads isn’t a bad thing because there’s a reason you have wrong reads, usually because scum have manipulated game state and made different actions.

I wrote a ScumPlay guide in the Mafia Discussion section if you want to see my thoughts on basic scum play.

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Instant town read because of the pressure on him when I showed up because it’s exactly what happened when I played a game with him with older players earlier in the year.

For the record, I don't really feel like there's pressure on me per se. It's more just that I haven't contributed anything yet, and people see that as a less-than-ideal state of affairs.

I felt it like you did post a few times and people didn’t like your “voice”, and went after you.

I confirmed that to myself when i entered today and the same thing happened to me with them coming after me for a second.

I’m just louder and more abrasive than you so they didn’t come after me fully.

Which is also interesting to note.

For what it’s worth, I fuck with Remelia, Morph, and Bell already on a player level, I just don’t think all three of them are town.

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Screw it, I’m ordering DoorDash and playing for another 10 minutes.

[April Ludgate]

What are you screwing

Hopefully this carnitas burrito in the future

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=84028 - my scum play guide for anyone who wants to see the way I operate.

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@Morph - I don’t believe I’m controlling conversation rather than being a focal point of it right now.

I’m just talking about whatever comes to my mind, whatever you guys reply to me. I’m trying to help you guys see where I’m coming from, while bringing my thoughts about the current push on SS, which I don’t believe is coming from ScumHim right now based on seeing this happen before. I’ll find the game later.

Even in person, I got the gift of gab (baby), so I just talk a lot.

I do talk about anything and everything that I have something to say for

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Oh, you’re flavorleaf. Hi.
Morph’s still town though. I’m sure you too will see that in a couple hundred posts or so.
Nice try.

I said I don’t quite thing all 3 of you are town. I think 2 of you are, unsure which.

If you guys are all 3 town, that will be discovered later.

If all 3 of you are town, and Something is town, I believe this game’s going to be hard for scum.

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Oh, you’re flavorleaf. Hi.
Morph’s still town though. I’m sure you too will see that in a couple hundred posts or so.
Nice try.

Hello.

Some may know me as Boonskiies.

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This is going to be a 100 page d1 isn’t it

absolutely
my initial impression of april is negative. They are lamisting here without solve effort

Hard disagree that there is no solve effort.

Frankly, I feel I’ve done a lot more in my short time than most players already.

You just don’t see the invisible effect I have on a game, which is understandable based on your limited exposure with me.

If I were hard pushing solve analysis this early, the game wouldn’t be able to breathe.

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Hold up april is getting townier page 17 nevermind
Also I think morph is town too
I still think either bulge or notscience is scum but not both, if that makes any sense

Yeah, I like it.

Which one you want more?

Can you describe why you feel that?

I want the three I mentioned to be all town, and I don’t think it’s impossible. I am actively pushing away my gut feeling of one scum in Morph, Remelia, Bell.

So Remelia, UNVOTE: Remelia

I like SS for town, but I could be biased based on our history, however, similar things happened before, however I was also getting pushed down as well in that game.

I don’t believe I am here, which is also interesting.

Let’s go this route.

Remelia, SS, Morph, Bell, Plusjoyed, all town.

What happens next?

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I also resent that LAMIST comment.

If anything I’m just LAM.

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Remelia, SS, Morph, Bell, Plusjoyed, all town.

I would love to live in this world. Sadly, I have reservations, and not just on the one you are defending.

I like the idea of seeing scum play in a gamestate where that is presumed the case. Does this make sense?

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I also resent that LAMIST comment.

If anything I’m just LAM.

i just don't see a difference between LAMIST and LAM. I don't think LAM is real, you either project a scumlean or townlean when doing so; it's never neutral. But I liked everything you've said after the first few posts A LOT. I think we'll get along but im hesitant to townbin you just yet since it might just be that I like your playstyle, since that's what I aspire to be one day so there is potential for me to be deeply pocketed by scum!april, so I'm gonna intentionally view you as null for now, same with remilla but in that case substitute me being a touhou fan over me likeing their playstyle

Look at me I’m so town is me trying to force people to see me as town.

I don’t care one way or another right now if people see me as town, but they best know I’m ready to throw some hands if need be.

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I also resent that LAMIST comment.

If anything I’m just LAM.

i just don't see a difference between LAMIST and LAM. I don't think LAM is real, you either project a scumlean or townlean when doing so; it's never neutral. But I liked everything you've said after the first few posts A LOT. I think we'll get along but im hesitant to townbin you just yet since it might just be that I like your playstyle, since that's what I aspire to be one day so there is potential for me to be deeply pocketed by scum!april, so I'm gonna intentionally view you as null for now, same with remilla but in that case substitute me being a touhou fan over me likeing their playstyle

Look at me I’m so town is me trying to force people to see me as town.

I don’t care one way or another right now if people see me as town, but they best know I’m ready to throw some hands if need be.

I think that was LAMIST intro but you had townie effort page 17 to back it up

Oh, I did that on purpose. I feel I mentioned that. I wanted to draw people at me to see if they’d react towards me strictly on personality like I said they did to SS.

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Where’s alisae?

Cut them some slack. It's incredibly hard to plan your entrance into the main thread when several slots you fear drew town and you didn't.

Especially when there's other posts onsite to make that are less fraught with danger at every turn.

The real reason they're afraid is because I'm holding them hostage to release those Scumsman PTs, I'm not giving up on this

P-Edit: Me

Also, Alisae's most recent site check in is concurrent with page 16 of this game....

To be fair, that’s 16 pages of games e’d have to catch up on, and e does a lot of non game related things on site. I’m willing to wait for them before really pushing them.

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I would like it to be noted that the dynamic between PlusJoyed and Bell is weird.

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I can’t really explain it, but look at the combination of when they’ve spoken about each other.

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I actually have Morph as my strongest town read right now

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Prism and PlusJoyed

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I would like it to be noted that the dynamic between PlusJoyed and Bell is weird.

From my side.
We’ve played together. I have mixed feelings about getting town read early by people i’ve played with before.
I stood aside and let him get miseliminated in our last game and my impression of him is sort a mix of enthusiasm and slightly off the wall play . Since he only recently came to this site I think he’s adjusting to site meta and he was only in one game. So in that game he was a bit stir crazy. Because of rapid adjustment i’m trying to take it slow.

In short, i’m trying to figure out how best to approach and get a solid read on him. I could poke at him wrong and trigger an avalanche on his town head if i’m not careful. Or it could result in him being correctly eliminated.

If it helps, I have ice powers to help stop an accidental avalanche, and you have my support.

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I would like it to be noted that the dynamic between PlusJoyed and Bell is weird.

From my side.
We’ve played together. I have mixed feelings about getting town read early by people i’ve played with before.
I stood aside and let him get miseliminated in our last game and my impression of him is sort a mix of enthusiasm and slightly off the wall play . Since he only recently came to this site I think he’s adjusting to site meta and he was only in one game. So in that game he was a bit stir crazy. Because of rapid adjustment i’m trying to take it slow.

In short, i’m trying to figure out how best to approach and get a solid read on him. I could poke at him wrong and trigger an avalanche on his town head if i’m not careful. Or it could result in him being correctly eliminated.

Don't really like this post. It feels like putting in a lot more reasoning than really is needed for something that was so minor. Although I'm still trying to figure out where I think this post would lead in a world where Bell/Plus are SvS but that's not something I need to go off of atm.

Gut scum read on Maria means this is probably townMaria

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Either that or she just tried a weird FL scum tactic after seeing me play scum, and I oddly just read it 100% correctly, but this is a theory. A tinfoil theory.

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Prism and PlusJoyed

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Either that or she just tried a weird FL scum tactic after seeing me play scum, and I oddly just read it 100% correctly, but this is a theory. A tinfoil theory.

To save you the effort I don't think anyone on this site minus one person would be able to correctly read me in minus 50 posts. Come to your own answer a bit later. Also I don't really remember your scum game that much even if I was...correct I believe in having you in poe. This game really depends on if I want to play it as Elena or be casual.

I scum read you correctly in Titus vs Alisae pretty dang early, almost immediately. I just came late to the party there.

I feel youve likely also subconsciously been able to read me better over the years, just as I feel I’ve been able to get a solid grasp of your play.

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Prism and PlusJoyed

what? you've said this twice now

Yep.

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VOTE: Prism

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554 has more 20’s than almost any other post in history in the non text portion side of things.

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#554 was written at 2020-09-21 09:20:19

Oh, damn. Mine it’s 9-20-20 04:20

Along with my join date. Forgot time zones.

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@april, how much are you using your notes pt?

How is this known?

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Dang, I asked if I could get a PT earlier when I was posting a lot, so I posted about 7 times in it, and didn’t realize until just now that they were already made.

That’s interesting.

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Prism, PlusJoyed, MariaR is my way too early solve. Not even sure if I fully scum read all of them.

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If you weren’t a mafia thread creator I might have agonized over whether you were trying to town slip or not here. Instead, I just won’t think about it or acknowledge that it happened at all.

I PM’d NachoMod about it, and wasn’t given a link before hand or anything about it, so I didn’t know it was a game thing

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I don't think joyed is scum

They come off as scum who’s null or town reading players. I don’t like the way they “like players” but null read “for safety”. It looks like they’re trying to keep a strong political standing while not giving full momentum to certain players, I being one of them. This also makes sense because I was gaining a little momentum earlier

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Why am i not on the reads paragraphs?

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@Meow cat - it’s fine, my initial reaction was lolAlisae’s scum, but not in the manner where I’m ultra confident in that.

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Prism/Alisae is an interesting thing

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Why did Prism replace out?

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Prism/Alisae is an interesting thing

Okay, Neuter-half here and I'll bite.

Because of the things Alisae said, or are you only partially basing it upon Alisae's posts, and you see things from Prism-slot towards Alisae as well?

It was the way Alisae posted that made it look like a catch-up that scum tried to make look townie and semi succeeded.

Prism just acted really weird, especially in regards to PlusJoyed/Prism, which I no longer think Plus is scum, they just silly.

I really think Prism slot is a scum slot individually, and nothing damning Alisae’s dynamics go against that. I’m also lean scum on Maria because I don’t think I’ve ever seen her be this charming.

Obviously, I don’t expect to be completely correct Day 1, but i feel it’s a good start, and I’m most confident with Prism. ScumPrism easily could have gotten disinterested in the game based on gamestate, and I definitely want that this day phase, which is annoying because they replaced out, and the replace in will come into the game knowing where I stand because my votes been there for a while.

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Do you see anything in the Alisae ISO that points towards Prism, then?

Or are these two reads derived from different angles trying to reconcile with each other?

Different. Joyed and Prism were more attached,but i didn’t want to keep doing pre associative seems before some flips.

I don’t like the way Prism and Joyed talked t each other at all, and it doesn’t feel town town.

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Alissa, if you’re scum, I’m gonna get so confused this game trying to figure out your process regarding my slot

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It was the way Alisae posted that made it look like a catch-up that scum tried to make look townie and semi succeeded.

I don't think thats how success works.
Also I'm pretty sure I'm here at gamestart if I'm scum so.......

Well, it is a success, because I don’t believe anyone but me would have seen it as not townie, which you’d be able to handle at this point in the game pretty easily.

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Alissa, if you’re scum, I’m gonna get so confused this game trying to figure out your process regarding my slot

*Alisae

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I made a pool grouping a while back in my PT, I’ll probably get around to posting and explaining it soon.

Usually when I do my pool grouping’s, I have decent reads, even if it’s a little off. It’s able to be worked and evolve over time, of course.

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I also don't like 851, I don't see how that would change your opinion really, it's NAI at best

Why? It makes sense to me

let me ask you this.
If someone does something scummy and their defense is "I wouldn't have gotten myself here if I was scum" does that make them more town?

Mafia isn't as black and white as you're suggesting it is.

However,I do think that leans towards PlusTown for thinking that.

I’m not sure I think PlusScum talks like that.

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zMuffinman, Alisae, Maria, Prism, Remelia has multiple scum in it probably.

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The Bulge, Midwaybear, SS, Morph, Bell, Secret Tunnel

Is who is left over, and I’m forgetting one person...hmm

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PlusJoyed, lol

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zMuffinman, Alisae, Maria, Prism, Remelia has multiple scum in it probably.

The Bulge, Midwaybear, SS, Morph, Bell, Secret Tunnel

Is who is left over, and I’m forgetting one person...hmm

PlusJoyed, lol

Of the lists, I town read SS, Morph, Bell, PlusJoyed.

I’m turning around on Alisae. I kinda like Midwaybear.

Secret Tunnel/Bulge definitely could have scum in them.

Something’s really bugging me about zMuffinman. What are people’s reads there?

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the issue is why would scum-alisae be here at game start if alisae had no knowledge of the game starting

I assume because e'd be active in the scum PT and eir partners would point it out?

depends on who alisae is scum with but also i just dont think it's very common for people to say "hey the game has started" in a scum PT

it might take a while for that to even become a thing that scum knows about unless someone immediately mentions "X posted Y"

Something about these posts felt like scum taking some sort of action to help herd the gamestate and create another mindset. It could be defending partner Alisae, or defending townieAlisae.

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i believe you mean piqued your interest

not sure if you're scum for making that grammar error or not, but igmeou

FoS: Alisae

And earlier, they even threw an FoS here, so their defense is kind of odd.

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Pattern recognition. I think your opening post tries to look town.
I think it’s odd that you trust morph to correctly read bork instead of try to engage with them yourself. I don’t think your response to me saying your entrance to the game reminds me of scum me.
I think your reads list looks organized in such a way as to give you enough space to miseliminate who you want and get partial credit for busing if the wind blows in the wrong direction.

I agree with this completely. Issue lies in I can also see Alisae trying to look town as town, and Alisae not giving a fuck, and just posting either alignment.

It’s interesting. Yesterday I showed up late, now Alisae is a focal point. I think scum are potentially using these louder player intros to coast right now.

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how did you read that as a defense of alisae? rofl

Hmm, idk.

Interesting. I wonder if this changes anything. I was already feeling that way about you prior to seeing those posts, so I might have just seen what I wanted to see.

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i can't tell if people are still doing rvs votes. i think both morph and something_smart might actually be scum

This could be a way of discrediting because Morph was starting to gain momentum, and SS was getting targeted.

I could be off on the timeline.

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i feel like i'll get some town reads for saying fferycabd is my strongest scum read so far

going against the grain usually makes people town-read you i think?

I remember not liking this in real time.

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Nah, I’m way past that FoS at this point.

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It’s your general positioning in this game that’s setting me off.

Also, you haven’t done anything townie, but you haven’t done anything overly scummy, and you’ve taken just enough action to make it so anyone who pushes you Day 1, really can’t make an accurate scum case on you, which is how actual scum on Day 1 look like.

VOTE: Zmuffinman

Prism slot needs to be replaced before getting seriously pushed unfortunately, and then will likely be given a reset based on the newcomer.

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zMuffinman, Alisae, Maria, Prism, Remelia has multiple scum in it probably.

The Bulge, Midwaybear, SS, Morph, Bell, Secret Tunnel

Is who is left over, and I’m forgetting one person...hmm

PlusJoyed, lol

Of the lists, I town read SS, Morph, Bell, PlusJoyed.

I’m turning around on Alisae. I kinda like Midwaybear.

Secret Tunnel/Bulge definitely could have scum in them.

Something’s really bugging me about zMuffinman. What are people’s reads there?

muffin is my main SR atm I cased them a while back. Also didn't like their defense thus far at all

Interesting, I’ll look into your case. I’m having trouble putting it into words, but I like that you are feeling it too.

Let’s start a wagon, see what it does for the gamestate.

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i can't tell if people are still doing rvs votes. i think both morph and something_smart might actually be scum

This could be a way of discrediting because Morph was starting to gain momentum, and SS was getting targeted.

I could be off on the timeline.

you think my aim was to discredit fferycabd by asking if a possible RVS vote on them was serious?

I personally don’t think you had an aim, and you were just talking.

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I like your case, Plus. The monologuing point specifically.

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I think ZMuffinman is just forced into taking this stance harder than they wanted to now based on the way the game’s going.

Alisae, join the muffin man wagon.

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what an awful read. it's funny, because i think you were doing pretty well until you started suspecting me and bork hydra

I don’t believe town should see it as an awful read.

A wrong read is not a bad read. If you are coming off that way to multiple people, there’s a reason for it. If it’s wrong, it’s up to the collective to figure it out, not just us. You aren’t giving us any reason to believe we are wrong.

Scum in the background is a reason, but where is the question.

[April Ludgate]

okay but I would though

There are several possible reasons why, but I do want to know, what exactly would be different if you were scum that would have caused you to know?

more interest in the alignment which means more interest in the game and a scum pt. In general those things equate to more awareness in the game

You missed like a day and a half, and came hours after I showed up.

You very well could have just been busy doing other things. I don’t love this as a response.

[April Ludgate]

i can't tell if people are still doing rvs votes. i think both morph and something_smart might actually be scum

This could be a way of discrediting because Morph was starting to gain momentum, and SS was getting targeted.

I could be off on the timeline.

you think my aim was to discredit fferycabd by asking if a possible RVS vote on them was serious?

I personally don’t think you had an aim, and you were just talking.

What do you mean by "morph was starting gaining momentum?

Look at earlier in the page, you were posting more than everyone. That’s momentum because the overall state of the game has a big part of you in it. And if you look forward into the game, this is proven to be true.

This isn’t alignment indicative, this is a gamestate. Both town and scum can gain momentum in a political standing, and manipulating this is an important scum tactic that a lot of scum players fail to do.

[April Ludgate]

I'll come back later I have a killer headache atm. I still wanna look at remilla's iso before the day ends, it's struck me as kind of fluffy

Be careful, I got scolded hard when I tried to say Rem was scummy, then I flipped on them, and they disappeared.

[April Ludgate]

hi guys!

I can feel the love, nacho. But you made the mistake of opening the game thread which ALSO had the f5 autoscript applied.

SUCK IT MUFFIN BOY.

Morph the cat: Still gone premium.

Also...

VOTE: MariaR

Three left feet.

Prism! I'm looking forward to playing with you!

You by far had the most posts in the first 2 pages which subconsciously puts you at the forefront of the game.

[April Ludgate]

it's awful because you clearly have no ability to read the intention behind any of my posts so you come to incorrect conclusions

people can be wrong and not awful; for example, i think bell thinking my attack on morph was bad is wrong but not awful

youre trying to dissect my posts in a way that shows a complete inability to read intent, tone, etc

that's what makes it awful

What’s your intent and on what posts are you referring to?

Because i already said I really don’t care about the FoS, and admitted I read the posts I said you were defending them in incorrectly.

So what are you referring to? This looks like you are trying to focus on the one aspect that I have already stated I was incorrect in to help reassure your position and discredit.

You’re essentially yelling awful as a weak reasoning to defend yourself against things that aren’t actually the reasons you are being pushed

[April Ludgate]

It almost feels as if you are upset that you are being pushed correctly for the wrong reasons.

[April Ludgate]

You also have a severe overreaction to just a single extra vote on you, which is something I specifically was trying to see what would happen regarding you afterwards.

[April Ludgate]

Are you a hydra?

[April Ludgate]

I don’t know who the hydra are in this game, or who is in them.

[April Ludgate]

Oh, I’ve met Cabd in real life.

[April Ludgate]

Oh, I’ve met Cabd in real life.

When I was still a Boonskiies.

Alt slip, my bad

[April Ludgate]

oh lmao

No no, this is very legit a game post and you should read your future in it. Definitely not just a PowerBI import function to map an excel sheet to doctor data.

love it thank you

I’ve also met this Boonskiies in real life

[April Ludgate]

I get around.

[April Ludgate]

april, the fact that you even mistook the FoS vote as a serious vote shows you don't have the ability to discern when i'm saying something in jest and when i'm being serious about something, which means i already know you're off base in being able to read my tone - it doesn't matter if you took that back. the fact that you thought me asking whether a potential RVS vote on fferycabd was serious might have meant i was trying to discredit them on page 3 and the fact that you agreed with plusjoyed's wall on me tells me you have zero idea how to read the intent behind my posts - also the mistake you made with thinking i was defending alisae, even if you also took that back, compounds this

and the fact that you're clearly misreading the intent behind me pointing out your read is awful also compounds this

And the fact that I’ve already explained and moved past that as a whole while you get stuck up on it, shows the hypocrisy and sheer deflection and discrediting attempts you are trying to poorly execute.

[April Ludgate]

I didn’t take the FoS as a serious vote, I took it as a FoS.

[April Ludgate]

Who’s bork? Are you a hydra too?

If I’m incorrect, I’ll be able to figure it out. I have effectively used my push, which is by no means something I was confident in, as a moment in the game to cause discussion and help see how you and the people around us will interact, thus helping create even more content and discussion in this game, which is entirely net positive. And if you fail to see that, that is on you. If you thought I was one of the more correct people in the game, then you should know that if you are town, I will figure it out.

I’m not even hard pushing you or anything, I just moved my vote from the replaced out slot elsewhere in pursuit of uncovering scum, whether or not that is you is the entire goal.

[April Ludgate]

Eh, I like FoS, and I believe while tat is an outdated play, I have consistently used it throughout the years because I am the type to make statements specifically to check out the gamestate change due to statements.

[April Ludgate]

fun fact: i have never and will never use "FoS" in a serious manner - FoS is a joke concept

that should tell you everything you need to know about that post

This in itself is the problematic situation. From someone who uses FoS in a reactionary way.

Scum are naturally hyper aware of where people’s reads are because they have to be.

FoS is a good way to play with that, and help establish the in game narrative as both alignments

[April Ludgate]

Then why do you feel it’s wrong of me to believe that because you felt I was on the right path, that it’s out of the question that you could be scum who wants me to push the same thing I was because it’s good for the gamestate if you are scum.

I think it’s entirely fair of me to question that, especially because if all works out, that could be a powerful town read.

[April Ludgate]

i mean, that's not why you suspect me so i don't understand the question

I feel like you think I suspect you for reasons that I don’t.

I specifically stated I wasn’t able to put it into words, and you got hung up on the Alisae stuff, which I stated that I probably just saw what I wanted to see.

Then I voted you because I wanted you to react so I can read that.

Now I’m somewhere in the middle.

[April Ludgate]

You were also someone I hadn’t interacted with really in real time, so regardless, this is net beneficial to the overall game.

You can at least see that much?

[April Ludgate]

you said you agreed with plusjoyed, particularly the point about the 'monologue' and you quoted a bunch of posts

so

why do you think i'm scum if that wasn't it?

I do agree. It does look scummy.

That doesn’t make you scum.

I was doing real time analysis, and I felt like giving you the Third Degree Boon to get down to the willy nillies.

[April Ludgate]

I do agree. It does look scummy.

see, that's the problem

that series of posts was almost entirely designed to fuck with fferycabd's head regardless of their alignment

because it's technically true that i probably wouldn't read them like this if i were scum and they were town

and therein lies the game

(not everything i do in a game is uh... optimal play... sometimes i just do things for my own amusement and if it leads down a good path then that's just a bonus)

Why would you expect me to know that?

[April Ludgate]

And regardless, do you not agree this conversation is entirely beneficial to town anyways?

[April Ludgate]

I have a production meeting starting, so I’ll be mia for a few hours.

[April Ludgate]

For what it’s worth, when I first started my Flavor Leaf account, I replaced into a newbie (not as a newbie), but not as an SE, and I caught GIF scum and read CabdTown pretty easily, so if I tend to trust my gut there, at least early game, I probably will. Now that I know Morph is Cabd/ffery, I’ll probably do a reanalysis. I don’t think it changes anything, but it can’t do anything but help if I relook it over.

[April Ludgate]

I play Go in my PT, and Yugioh in the game thread.

[April Ludgate]

My town block is Morph, SS, Bell, Plus.

[April Ludgate]

I wanna put Alisae in it just for gigglies

[April Ludgate]

I think Ali’s town.

Even in a world where ZMuffles is too.

[April Ludgate]

Is it not a good sign for you that I don’t trust people thinking my reads are good, and think I could be subtly getting pocketed?

It also raises me up for a high priority night kill.

Which is fine, I’m probably just a VT, so kill me. I might actually be a PR.

Scum, how do you think about that?

[April Ludgate]

It’s a thousand pictures is worth but a word, but a thousand words is worth a picture

Or something

[April Ludgate]

And I took the road less traveled by, and that has made all my sandwiches

[April Ludgate]

All I really wanna do this day phase is derail muffin’s hunting so I can figure out if he’s scum or not. I doubt he’d appreciate it, but I don’t think as he’s currently playing I can get a solid read on him.

This was one of my reasonings for pushing them as scum— it doesn’t appear there is truly a read to scum read or town read them, but logically, somehow, it’s still able to be fought.

And I think that’s a solid push because scum is often in those types of positions day 1.

[April Ludgate]

Maria’s lack of committing to a Zmuffin read noted. Th high town read, but not too high also noted.

If Maia is scum, zmuffin town, zmuffin is where scum should be setting up. If Maria scum, muffin scum, it’s not adding pressure to muffin, but making sure that if zmuffin goes down, Maria isn’t incriminated majorly.

If both town, then scum are going to coast this. However, PlusJoy and I have both been on zmuffin, and nothing has broken out. Now to figure out if it’s town zmuffin or scum.

[April Ludgate]

My high town read*

[April Ludgate]

Either we hit Zmuffin scum, or scum are waiting for it to pick up more naturally to pick up. Plus as scum is tinfoil, but that’s not a day 1 worry right now.

[April Ludgate]

PlusJoy and I have both been on zmuffin, and nothing has broken out.

Also is worth nothing that over half the people in the game are not voting and instead voicing reads; curious to know what you expect to be happening

-b

That’s exactly part of it, i don’t know why you’re separating that. They’ve been established in the game as multiple non voters, which is fine, I don’t mind that. I don’t even really participate in RVS anymore, even though I like the analysis of RVS. It establishes the primary gamestate, which is how Morph the Cat became the centerpiece of this game just by posting the most on the early pages alongside having a solid presence throughout the game.

I feel there was also my chapter when I came into the game, also Alisae, so now putting all these chapters per se into one continuous story, we can try to reverse engineer who the scum team is, and predict where they are heading towards based on gamestate.

There lies the need for necessary flips.

[April Ludgate]

This is something I have noticed and it makes me very sad.

Honestly, here’s the thing, I actually think it’s beneficial for town of town take advantage of that. I personally believe scum is taking a go with the flow type of mentality with this game rather than taking hard action.

And it will end up biting them in the end. I believe the 4 of us are town, and I have seen Plus joyed and Bell’s trajectory throughout this game, and Remelia, while i scum read the style naturally, I feel that they are town based on general attitude to the game.

We are taking action in a way that we’re trying to solve, and I see that.

Scum have to act or we’re naturally going to town read each other further than this.

[April Ludgate]

most of the people in this player list don't throw their votes around that much in my experience

also there's a certain dynamic that you and april seem to be somehow missing anyway

I personally think it’s you that are missing a certain dynamic, and thus can’t see the dynamic I’m actually person.

Whether you’re doing this on purpose to discredit me as scum or genuinely feel that way (as either alignment) is what’s up for debate in my head. It could be a mix of both.

I’m about 50/50 with your slot right now, which means I don’t actually have you as a strong scum read. You do, however, hold an integral part of this game, if you are town, I’m trying to see who is taking advantage of this, and if you’re scum, we need to create an environment where scum are physically forced to take direct action. Those are the readable moments.

[April Ludgate]

Yeah, you are totally right, Remelia. Had that moving too fast before finishing conversation kinda moment.

We pretty much counter that apathy by creating environments now, town can take strong day action to gain reads.

Not to be LAMIST, but I am feeling so confidently town this game, I’m gonna say the cliche and go “I’m 100% dying tonight.”

I bet scum feel my hunter blood coming out hard right now. You may be fooling me now, scum, but the flavor will always follow you, ow ow ow.

[April Ludgate]

....April if you say that out right you’re just saying what you think and other players compensate for that plan.
But down the rabbit hole we go when I think, “well okay they’re saying what they think, but if the scum team players around that and April knows this, then he’s just saying this to seem town by saying whatever he thinks town/town him thinks”

Yeah, that’s part of it. It’s really hilarious to think about how scum have to react to that kind of thing knowing that I know they know, ya know?

[April Ludgate]

Well, if I’m being real with you guys, since we’re having fun bonding times, I lied a bit earlier with my town block.

I don’t town read Something Smart as much as I acted, nor did I trust Remelia back then, but I added them to the town block so they would have to progress through the game with that in mind. Remelia, nothing changed, in fact, they got townier because it seemed like their personal dynamic with me did not matter one bit. Something Smart, while someone’s play I respect fully, if I was going to take the leap to risk being wrong on him, I had to do something to figure it out, ya know?

Remelia, Bell, Plus Joyed, and I are the 4 I am most comfortable calling a town block.

[April Ludgate]

heh. your view of the game state is so wildly different from mine. i sincerely doubt you're a priority night kill

and votes are hardly the only way to get reads or the only form of "direct action" lol

This is what I like to have presented in real time. Hindsight always shows 2020 4 20

[April Ludgate]

though I wonder if it's possible the main wagons atm are all scum, and they're waiting for a mislim wagon to start up? though that's a more optimistic line of thinking than I like
@muffin, what's your read on mariaR?

While not impossible, I find this highly unlikely, and thus worth keeping in mind, but not look into too deeply Day 1.

[April Ludgate]

Well, if I’m being real with you guys, since we’re having fun bonding times, I lied a bit earlier with my town block.

I don’t town read Something Smart as much as I acted, nor did I trust Remelia back then, but I added them to the town block so they would have to progress through the game with that in mind. Remelia, nothing changed, in fact, they got townier because it seemed like their personal dynamic with me did not matter one bit. Something Smart, while someone’s play I respect fully, if I was going to take the leap to risk being wrong on him, I had to do something to figure it out, ya know?

Remelia, Bell, Plus Joyed, and I are the 4 I am most comfortable calling a town block.

the townblock you just made not too long ago? I don't think SS had a chance to see that it was like 10 minutes ago

Nah, I made one a while ago.

And I know. He didn’t do anything I didn’t like, it’s just he didn’t do anything I did like, just because he’s been MIA. I know him well enough to know I should also not fully town read him yet.

[April Ludgate]

Remelia, Bell, Plus Joyed, and I

Walk me through how you got to where you are on plusjoyed
I'm willing to concede I might've just taken a major wrong turn at Albuquerque on bell
What happened to Morph?

-b

While I think Morph definitely is townie, I can see them being in that position as scum, if that makes sense. Without more info presented, it’s really easy to get into that dominating game state position, town leader, basically.

Plus had been weirdly fence sitting in a way that looks genuine because of how much they were doing it, where scum would try not to have it on blast if they were fence sitting. On top of that, they’ve seemed extremely present and trying to figure things out even if it’s not working out too well for em just yet. They may be onto something, but Day 1 is just too early to tell. Their zMuffinman scum read might be wrong, but I understand the suspicion surrounding zMuffinman in this game, and I feel Plus is picking up the same type of energy as I am and mistaking it for a full on scum read.

And that’s a townie mindset because they’re being taken on a ride, almost not able to see the strings being pulled in the background somewhere, if that makes sense.

[April Ludgate]

Right, Secret Tunnel’s a big scum spect too

[April Ludgate]

so wait im confused and tired April
you fake TR remilla and SS a while back
remilla didn't do anything and neither did SS
because of that, you actually TR them since they didn't react? So because they didn't question you, they become town to you?
It feels like you're playing with the spotlight effect on yourself to the max; you consider all of your posts to be the centerpiece of this. That could come from town, but seems more likely to come from scum; extremely self aware.

Oh, you guys are on that.

this chapter of the game essentially just made me confident in my reads on Remelia, Bell, and you is all.

Oh, that’s just me as a player. I believe reading the gamestate is a general strength I have, which allows me to gamestate manipulate to the Max as scum, and reverse engineer scum play when I’m town, such as here.

[April Ludgate]

I still town read Morph, but I’m putting enough caution than I am based on not feeling like they couldn’t do something like they did as scum, even naturally.

Without flips, only so much to go on, we gotta make stuff for ourselves.

[April Ludgate]

We’ll see.

[April Ludgate]

If i town read someone, and I’m wrong, with further information in the game, I can create a sketch of actions taken by the different players with the specific states of gamestate in my mind, and from there, discussion is able to be made on a much larger scale, and scum have an agenda to push so they will naturally have to obstruct and make sure they don’t get killed off.

That’s what we look for in regards to townread related to what scum is doing

[April Ludgate]

I don’t care enough to check whether there are 2-3 or 4 scum in this game. But don’t have a stroke because I might be going for cheap town points.

Man what kind of asshole would effectively make a 13 player game with 4 mafia in it?

I played 3 games in a row like that a few years back. It sucks for both alignments because town powers always stacked in those situations

[April Ludgate]

These chapters are definitely a bit fluffy, but I still like them, and they’re there for analysis on later days if need be.

[April Ludgate]

When’s my chapter

[April Ludgate]

I’m slightly suspicious of Morph, but at the level where I want it to be noted, but have absolutely no pressure against them today because that’s doing the most as scum, if that makes sense.

[April Ludgate]

I say we kill one of three:

Prism slot, just cause

Secret Tunnel, be cause

ZMuffinman.

I think all three have scum equity, zMuffinman is towniest out of the three, but honestly 50/50 odds are something I’m definitely okay with Day 1, plus that’s an integral spot in the game.

I like zMuffin, though, and if that’s not on people’s radar, I’m definitely willing to move.

Everyone else has positioned themselves in a way to get through Day 1, so I’m just ready for more info tbh

[April Ludgate]

they were never going to be a D1 wagon

even in a universe where i was 99.99% certain they're scum, it'd probably be easier to dismantle the weak links in the scum team before going after them

so

yeah

Eh, you’d be surprised.

I would just have to speak to a different side of the game in a way where I would make a good case, but again, I’m not even wanting to go down that road, so it’s really not an option.

If they are scum, it’s overall better to take them out later anyways

[April Ludgate]

I still want to eliminate alisae.
Like, I get it but genuine scum read is genuine.

That’s fair. I’m biased because I just wanna play with Alisae when we’re both town, so I’m holding out hope.

[April Ludgate]

I think all three have scum equity

heh

You are my least of the 3, but I’ve already explained in detail what I think of your slot from both a town perspective and a scum perspective, I’m just half willing to sacrifice town you, but also willing to defend you if it’s the better scenario. In the future, I may very well even want you in the town block if you are town. I can see myself correctly reading you later on, and I’m almost at a lean town right now.

Doesn’t mean you don’t have scum equity.

Scum equity does not = scum.

[April Ludgate]

Why am I scum April?

You just got some kind of stench to your posts that I don’t like. I’ve been slightly mentioning it here and there, at least with my reads lists

It could just be the timing of your posts, alongside what actions and momentum you’ve had on the game (which I don’t feel is high, but could be a style thing) but could also be a going with the flow scum, which I already mentioned earlier, I believe we have right now. If that makes sense. So I don’t think you are scum, I think you have scum equity alongside not loving your posts.

[April Ludgate]

Isn’t equity just another word for town cred or i guess how valuable you think a player is ?

Maybe I’m using it wrong, but I’m using it more in like the “possibility of being scum based on reasons that could be true, but might not” like in a world that may not exist, it makes sense for Said player to be scum, they just might have rolled town. Does this make sense?

[April Ludgate]

i was just hehing at how wrong i think you are about all three of those names

but i also think there's some pretty obvious slots (like alisae and mariar) that have far more "scum equity" that you went from thinking were scum to i guess not anymore for some reason?

Could be.

Doesn’t change the fact I think they’re the slots that would personally help me solve the game, and I see no reason for me not to just put what I want killed.

It’s ignorant to assume your reads are correct on Day 1, that’s underselling a scum team taking no action.

[April Ludgate]

Equity is the value of the stocks a company has so it almost definitely doesn’t mean that. The value goes up or down depending on perception.

Okay, so I am using it correctly.

[April Ludgate]

Alisae, are you scum?

[April Ludgate]

Alisae, are you scum?

also no

I don’t think you are lying to me.

[April Ludgate]

in regards to SS, I thought I clearly explained it in my post and that it was obvious why hard fencesitting on a spot is sus if their scum. Scum are the most hesistant to express reads on their scumbuddies.

scum really should take hardstances on buddies more. you can talk your way out of anything if you just commit.

I'm half ready to jump on that 420 fade.

[April Ludgate]

i could just be wrong, but im feeling like this is Alisaetownshrug mode rather than Alisaescumshrug mode.

[April Ludgate]

I think Morph is playing you lot

[April Ludgate]

*not morph being sus the other thing i can see that. In regards to ali being townshrug

Like I said before, I don’t expect to lead a rebellion today, or even in my lifetime. I just need it to be said.

[April Ludgate]

VOTE: 420

Prism slot, right? Yeah, I’m good with killing this off.

[April Ludgate]

zMuffinman, Alisae, Maria, Prism, Remelia has multiple scum in it probably.

The Bulge, Midwaybear, SS, Morph, Bell, Secret Tunnel

Is who is left over, and I’m forgetting one person...hmm

PlusJoyed, lol

zMuffinman, Alisae, Maria, Prism, Remelia has multiple scum in it probably.

The Bulge, Midwaybear, SS, Morph, Bell, Secret Tunnel

Is who is left over, and I’m forgetting one person...hmm

PlusJoyed, lol

Of the lists, I town read SS, Morph, Bell, PlusJoyed.

I’m turning around on Alisae. I kinda like Midwaybear.

Secret Tunnel/Bulge definitely could have scum in them.

Something’s really bugging me about zMuffinman. What are people’s reads there?

PlusJoyed
Remelia
Bell

Zmuffin

Midwaybear
Alisae
The Bulge
Something Smart

Maria

420
Secret Tunnel
Morph

Probably where I’m at, but I understand where I could just be getting paranoid of Morph.

[April Ludgate]

I no longer think that first group has multiple scum in it. Possible, I guess, but I’d much prefer there to be none. Means probably one.

Pretty much flip the 2 conclusive statements for those 2 posts

[April Ludgate]

morph at the bottom is pretty insane ngl

Yeah, idk what happened.

I think it happened specifically because everyone town reads them so much that I kind of see it as a scum ploy by them.

Mixed in with not really thinking it’s at all out of their range to be completely town read from the very beginning on Day 1.

[April Ludgate]

are you a gambler notty

Hell no

Pedit
See that list is weird

I’m at

Bell
Bulge
Bear
Morph
Remi

Muffin
S_S
Joyed

April
Ali
Maria
420

Weird does not = Incorrect.

And you have an incredibly poor bottom list.

It’s all LHF for this gamestate, and the person who put the highest town read on the bottom.

Secret Tunnel and Morph have associations with themselves. Morph hasn’t called them super scummy or townie, but they have “improved” was their last bit. It’s careful positioning based on how Morph feels their partner is doing.

This is a theory, obvi, but it’s one I haven’t been able to shake.

[April Ludgate]

morph was in your top townblock in your last readlist but now at the bottom. When did this happen?

I feel like if you check my ISO, it’s definitely been leading there.

I know for a fact Morph saw this coming.

Look at the extreme lack of mentioning anything to do with my slot in the last couple days or so. Only when I directly go to him.

That’s what made me feel like I was about to get drowned out, which I did, anytime I would post, I wouldn’t get a big response, which was drastically different from before. I was testing for that.

Maybe I’m paranoid because everyone was town reading them so hard, this is half the reason I don’t want to fade them today. I’d rather wait and see if I’m wrong rather than misfading them.

[April Ludgate]

zMuffinman, Alisae, Maria, Prism, Remelia has multiple scum in it probably.

The Bulge, Midwaybear, SS, Morph, Bell, Secret Tunnel

Is who is left over, and I’m forgetting one person...hmm

PlusJoyed, lol

zMuffinman, Alisae, Maria, Prism, Remelia has multiple scum in it probably.

The Bulge, Midwaybear, SS, Morph, Bell, Secret Tunnel

Is who is left over, and I’m forgetting one person...hmm

PlusJoyed, lol

Of the lists, I town read SS, Morph, Bell, PlusJoyed.

I’m turning around on Alisae. I kinda like Midwaybear.

Secret Tunnel/Bulge definitely could have scum in them.

Something’s really bugging me about zMuffinman. What are people’s reads there?

PlusJoyed
Remelia
Bell

Zmuffin

Midwaybear
Alisae
The Bulge
Something Smart

Maria

420
Secret Tunnel
Morph

Probably where I’m at, but I understand where I could just be getting paranoid of Morph.

Literally laughed out loud.

If you feel like wordsing your Something Smart and Secret Tunnel reads a little more, I'd subscribe to your newsletter. For the free month anyway.

Awesome. Immediate shade discredit. This is what I was hoping for.

Something Smart probably town, ST probably scum.

ST’s lower reads are just incredibly surface level weak, which could actually lean him more town, however those are where ST needs to chop momentum because by no means are they the scumLeader.

If Morph is scum, they are, by far, which means ST has to do the chopping work.

Something Smart, you need to just deal with it, we’re both town.

[April Ludgate]

Here’s the difference between why Zmuffin is town and Morph is scum.

When Zmuffin got targeted as scum, they flipped out, and kept pushing the same thing, without agenda, really.

Morph, as the highest town read, can’t comprehend why anyone could scum read them, and “literally laughed out loud”. That is a discredit play.

Someone who is that universally town read Day 1 should never question being an idea tinfoil paranoia scum read, even if it isn’t true.

If anything, me scum reading Morph if they are town would help them survive Night kills.

This is why Morph is scum, short reason, anyways.

[April Ludgate]

@Mariar/Alisae/SS

I hope the three of you can spot the difference in this game. ScumMe runs the shadows, townMe gets ridiculed and laughed at in public. Yes, I try to get that recreated in my scum games, but it’s different.

MariaR, someone who just modded a game with scum me, played with scumMe earlier in the year, and over the years has been one of the only people to consistently not get fooled by my scum shit.

Alisae, knows how I think in person, caught me earlier this year.

SS, knows me better than almost anyone else on site.

So knowing this, I need you 3 to town read me. So let’s do what we gotta do to get you to town read me

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i think your pretty off base April. Like it's backwards

From my point of view, the Jedi are evil.

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Basically, I think you guys are backwards.

It’s probably somewhere in the middle, to be honest. It’s Day 1. But it’s ignorant to think you aren’t the ones backwards.

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What does Tlacloc stand for?

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I hope the three of you can spot the difference in this game. ScumMe runs the shadows, townMe gets ridiculed and laughed at in public.

You have been ridiculed and laughed at in public as scum before, but you are feeling like town so far.

Right, but they’re different. Town me gets discredited. ScumMe takes advantage of it purposefully.

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Also note the “okay eliminating” line by Morph. They need to get rid of their issue without getting much heat on them, so they’ve already set up a situation with my flip where they can discredit me in death.

I don’t expect you to be able to eliminate me today, however.

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Tlaloc is my patron deity of Mafia.

Proud to be your deity, bow down to your emperor

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Tlaloc is my patron deity of Mafia.

Proud to be your deity, bow down to your emperor

Read better.

I read it exactly the way I intended it.

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Night Kills. We're not hugely desirous to survive those. Which is why we want our townreads townreading each other today, and all our reads well-documented.

Strong by the book answer.

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Here’s the difference between why Zmuffin is town and Morph is scum.

When Zmuffin got targeted as scum, they flipped out, and kept pushing the same thing, without agenda, really.

Morph, as the highest town read, can’t comprehend why anyone could scum read them, and “literally laughed out loud”. That is a discredit play.

Someone who is that universally town read Day 1 should never question being an idea tinfoil paranoia scum read, even if it isn’t true.

If anything, me scum reading Morph if they are town would help them survive Night kills.

This is why Morph is scum, short reason, anyways.

is any of this proof of morph scum?

Okay, guys, you saw what I did with Prism and Plus, then you saw what I did with Zmuffin...

I feel at least some sort of trust should be established in regards to this kinda thing by now.

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Also note the “okay eliminating” line by Morph. They need to get rid of their issue without getting much heat on them, so they’ve already set up a situation with my flip where they can discredit me in death.

I don’t expect you to be able to eliminate me today, however.

At this point, I don't expect us to want to.

Re your 1927 Cabd informs me that it pisses him off.

Neat. I like debates with real emotion attached.

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I’m slightly suspicious of Morph, but at the level where I want it to be noted, but have absolutely no pressure against them today because that’s doing the most as scum, if that makes sense.

These chapters are definitely a bit fluffy, but I still like them, and they’re there for analysis on later days if need be.

I still town read Morph, but I’m putting enough caution than I am based on not feeling like they couldn’t do something like they did as scum, even naturally.

Without flips, only so much to go on, we gotta make stuff for ourselves.

For any of those out there thinking it came out of nowhere, I had been explaining that I felt something was off.

I even talked to Bell about it saying i needed it there if i died, which he said he’d probably ignore. -.-

But yeah, this has been here, Morph knew it was there, even if they didn’t say anything.

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My reads are very clearly based on who’s low hanging fruit and not by strength of my townreads

As I’ve said and developed all game

Partially alongside players currently alive I’m townreading

But sure I’m going after LHF

Okay, I can get with this.

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Sorry April.
It’s just really important to me that you use the word equity right.

Based on the fact that Morph is fully capable of being town leader as scum, alongside the fact that the overall gamestate feels like scum is going with the flow, which a town leader very much can, and they end up being like the decider vote, on top of knowing that Cabd is definitely the type of player that can excel in a spot like that as scum, and seeing it from the perspective, I feel it’s like blatantly obvious to me that Morph is scum. Their scum equity is crazy high compared to that of like Zmuffin, who oh my wow, is prob town.

I’m still figuring out how to show you guys they are scum, and there lies the issue.

It’s one of those situations where I know they’re scum, and because there literally isn’t enough info, I can’t prove it, and they know it, and they know I know it, and can’t do anything about it.

So this is all me trying to do something about it. Even if I fail, they’ll know I was coming. Ya feel me, dudes?

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I don’t fight, I discuss. I play. I get in the zone, auto zone. Anyone can join the discussion, but let us assure you, we go to battle and we gain audiences, sometimes we lose the crowd, but I’ll put you up front and center stage, and you can shine, you can shine nice, and hit the moon.

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Oh right, I stalk people on MS and that’s probably not normal.

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT

Everyone stalks everyone. Like, yeah, it’s incredibly weird that I know about how specific players play in such an advanced way that I’ve never even seen them speak in real time. This site sets us up for that in multiple different ways.

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Sorry April.
It’s just really important to me that you use the word equity right.

Based on the fact that Morph is fully capable of being town leader as scum, alongside the fact that the overall gamestate feels like scum is going with the flow, which a town leader very much can, and they end up being like the decider vote, on top of knowing that Cabd is definitely the type of player that can excel in a spot like that as scum, and seeing it from the perspective, I feel it’s like blatantly obvious to me that Morph is scum. Their scum equity is crazy high compared to that of like Zmuffin, who oh my wow, is prob town.

I’m still figuring out how to show you guys they are scum, and there lies the issue.

It’s one of those situations where I know they’re scum, and because there literally isn’t enough info, I can’t prove it, and they know it, and they know I know it, and can’t do anything about it.

So this is all me trying to do something about it. Even if I fail, they’ll know I was coming. Ya feel me, dudes?

Thanks for this. Now I know where to put my time.

I recommend you just try to push me as scum.

But wait, I’ll counter. I’m playing with such confidence because I shall claim the cliché, I will be able to be Conf town come Day 3.

Boom. Mic dropped!

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I pretty much feel you. I lso think they’ll probably be dead within the next day or two if you’re wrong so it doesn’t really matter.
The quip about ignoring it when you get nk Ed was because it generates a lot of wifom when you leave a note like that.

I love WIFOM.

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People hate on WIFOM so much, but it’s so good. It literally just lets you analyze in advance, and both town and scum can manipulate it to their advantage.

I just be making them plays both alignments, when most people don’t as either alignment.

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Yeah, but I never know how many wifoms deep the correct interpretation is.

You gotta deep analyze the player on a personal level. Create a narrative.

Bell, you my townie, right? I really really need you to be.

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Just in general, I’m not gonna ask you to vote Morph. That will be your decision if it ever comes to it

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I’m here with ya. Through and through. You, me, Plus, Remelia. We have a bond now that nobody can ever take away. We’re the friendly foursome.

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People make a lot of assumptions and that’s not untrue for scum either. It’s incredibly difficult to understand a night kill, because sometimes they’ve gone off the deep end.

Fair, but I would say that it’s a townie skill to also control the range of the WIFOM available.

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And what WIFOM to throw out.

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I am a townie, but i’m not your townie bro.
That’s what snoopy is all about.

I think we need to get to that point.

I don’t wanna dominate the world in a few days and not have you here.

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I lived right next to the Charles Schulz museum and ice rink, like 4 minute walk level, for years.

That can’t be a coincidence that you’re snoop, and I lived that close to the origin of peanuts.

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You gotta town read me. I ain’t gonna do you dirty.

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Based on the fact that Morph is fully capable of being town leader as scum, alongside the fact that the overall gamestate feels like scum is going with the flow, which a town leader very much can, and they end up being like the decider vote, on top of knowing that Cabd is definitely the type of player that can excel in a spot like that as scum, and seeing it from the perspective, I feel it’s like blatantly obvious to me that Morph is scum. Their scum equity is crazy high compared to that of like Zmuffin, who oh my wow, is prob town.

I don't agree; "there is scum motivation to be a town leader in a go-with-the-flow gamestate" is fine only as a piece to an argument about why they wouldn't do the same as town which I think you're just not addressing

I agree, but you have to see it from my perspective where my other reads are, and what I was seeing the gamestate as actually being, so that probably only pulls up a selection of possibilities, many of which include Morph, so while I like your sentiment as a whole, you are severely understating the layer of which I am currently peeling at.

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It’s not like majorly strong, but it’s there enough where I feel like I am correct.

If something happens that proves me wrong, I’d oblige, but I don’t feel like I am wrong on Morph.

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4 is very possible, but not in the plans, if that makes sense.

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4 is very possible, but not in the plans, if that makes sense.

no offense april but I don't believe you

Doesn’t matter if you believe me yet, i already said earlier I will be confirmable as town this game.

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That whole conversation left me down on April a bit, but maybe even morph? It seems like she is broadcasting the bravado, and trying to manipulate the game narrative to position paranoia on morph. I'm not sure how much I agree with the "go with the flow" narrative that April is trying to establish, and I'd like to know why she thinks that is. The only thing that sticks out to me is the lack of votes, but even that seems like playstyle rather than this game in particular. Even if this is true, it doesn't necessarily lead to morph scum right? Scum could very well be positioning to gain favor with a slot they perceive to be the center which makes sense with my read on Secret Tunnels.
About April's read itself, I can't tell if it comes from scum or town, but I'm not sure how valid it is.

This is true in the most base of forms, yes, but when you get down more into it, it’s much more likely. Look at Morph’s way of mentioning me all game, specifically after it was obvious I no longer had morph as a town block town read.

And yeah, it is buddy esque, but it is not a scum pocket. I buddy as town because i own read the three of them.

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Doesn’t matter if you believe me yet, i already said earlier I will be confirmable as town this game.

What does that have to do with believing you?

Because i i say I’m straight shooting, you best believe it to be true.

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That whole conversation left me down on April a bit, but maybe even morph? It seems like she is broadcasting the bravado, and trying to manipulate the game narrative to position paranoia on morph. I'm not sure how much I agree with the "go with the flow" narrative that April is trying to establish, and I'd like to know why she thinks that is. The only thing that sticks out to me is the lack of votes, but even that seems like playstyle rather than this game in particular. Even if this is true, it doesn't necessarily lead to morph scum right? Scum could very well be positioning to gain favor with a slot they perceive to be the center which makes sense with my read on Secret Tunnels.
About April's read itself, I can't tell if it comes from scum or town, but I'm not sure how valid it is.

If you can get past the surface level, this is exactly why you should see that I’m town based on overall gamestate and timing.

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I focus on everything. Agenda just happens one of the most telling ways of catching scum, especially Day 1.

I’m personally ready to end the day, so I see no reason to hold onto any thoughts I had on Morph

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I don't understand your trajectory wrt me. You just said I have potential to be scum for going with the flow, letting morph take the lead for me. I tell you Im working with my townreads and following along with them where they want to go and you can get with that? Like I feel like that should have tipped your read further towards the red.

That is semi why it went green. You’d be aware of that as scum, so could easily bluff it.

I think you are the type to bluff, possibly double bluff, so unless you’re triple bluffing, you’re slightly townier than before.

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Personally, I know I could very well be wrong with my Morph read, however, I don’t think just because everyone else has a different read means I am wrong, in this scenario.

If someone can make an actual town case, by all means, I’d give it some real thought, but I started to look more into Morph’s and there isn’t anything that I would say actually makes them town.

I noticed a lot with their big chapter posts. It’s projecting and they were fluffy, which I feel is a staple for that era of strong scum play.

Brian Skies is someone I also caught as scum in this fashion years back, ironically, in a Cabd modded game, where it was multiball, I was the other scum team.

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At the present, I would put more money betting on myself than on someone else, however.

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I just don’t think it makes sense for scum them to come out of the gate shoving me and then muffin. Much easier to keep me at arms length. I don’t think ffery had to back off her push of me when she did either, it was likely she would have been able to get a remi vote and put me even further on my back foot.

I also think them warming up to me had a pretty noticeable trajectory in thread.

Pedit
Lmao, probably phrased that wrong

I feel like they did. They talked to you about how their read on you was “improving”. All in the span of like a day.

You became the person under the magnifying glass for them, and that’s the gamefic that was established. You have to prove yourself to them, not the other way around.

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Bear I’m still waiting for real engagement from you. Don’t get yourself out of one tunnel on town into another, please.

I don't know what you want, and I don't have anything right now. Yesterday did not do much to change my read.

This is true in the most base of forms, yes, but when you get down more into it, it’s much more likely. Look at Morph’s way of mentioning me all game, specifically after it was obvious I no longer had morph as a town block town read.

And yeah, it is buddy esque, but it is not a scum pocket. I buddy as town because i own read the three of them.

Uh what. Is the first sentence about the game? I'm not sure I noticed anything changing for morph, but you're naturally more aware. I don't remember bringing up buddying, but I don't really have a problem with that yet.

Secret Tunnel mentioned it, i responded to him there with the buddying, my bad.

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Yeah, that’s fine. You moved up for a reason ST. I started to understand you a bit more, and with that new knowledge, i feel like you are townier.