Mini Theme 2182 - Legends of the Hidden Temple III - Over!

[Noraa]

I need to read the OP. Brb after that.

[Noraa]

Can't wait for my partner to arrive to find I've already challenged someone

what what what wtf who?

[Noraa]

I read the OP.

my question is why tf would u challenge someone on page one and also did vp even challenge anyone? I don't see the bolded text?

[Noraa]

Noraaaaaaaaaa I'm sad you're scum here

I'm not so you should be happy.

[Noraa]

I read the OP.

my question is why tf would u challenge someone on page one and also did vp even challenge anyone? I don't see the bolded text?

I kid, I kid. No challenges issued

how dare u lie!

[Noraa]

Noraaaaaaaaaa I'm sad you're scum here

I'm not so you should be happy.

I don't believe you

That's fine. My towniness will shines thru like a bright light

[Noraa]

QUACK

Worstie is that you O_o

[Noraa]

Me ish green monkey!

[Noraa]

me no wanna combat

[Noraa]

me want spam PUPPY GIF

[Noraa]

nuuuu me likey vp!

[Noraa]

nuuuu me likey vp!

based on what

me have to like him as to show me regrets betraying him last time

[Noraa]

nupe. scumhunter nornor will catch him if he's red.

[Noraa]

*sigh*
stuff I'm listening to part 2

[Noraa]

The whole town was being an absolute bitch to me and I won't hear it any other way. I'm still pissed about it.

[Noraa]

*sigh*
stuff I'm listening to part 2

Oh wait. I remembered wrong. It was Bulge not notsci.

Ok this is haunted village part 2.

[Noraa]

:O Agar!

[Noraa]

our team selection was done bc i asked UT what team we should submit and he said "the one most like a penis" so i was like "alright i guess we're snakes"

PFFT

[Noraa]

sneak peak of Team Monkey wrecking some flimsy dragons

[Noraa]

sneak peak of Team Monkey wrecking some flimsy dragons

tfw monkeys think they're birds

you seems to think that us monkeys are people :3

[Noraa]

cower in feaaaar

u have big nostrils.

[Noraa]

PFFT I'm laughing my ass off.

I was just telling vp that pooky loved me too much to challenge us.

[Noraa]

Noraa if you're town you need to vote baltar

VOTE: Pooky

don't threaten a monkey otherwise the monkey gets angry and gets out those banana slippers

PREPARE FOR WAR!!!!!
*gets my banana slippers out*
*throws a couple banana grenades to vp*
LEZ DO THIS SHIT

[Noraa]

PFFT I'm laughing my ass off.

I was just telling vp that pooky loved me too much to challenge us.

NORAA YOU ARE SPECIAL THATS WHy IM HERE TO RESCUE YOU

by .... killing the only other monkey there is?

[Noraa]

Uh...huh.

What was this referring to?

[Noraa]

PookyTheMagicalBear (2) : VP Baltar, Noraa

look at these cowardly poo slinging monkeys wagoning together

VOTE: VOTE: VOTE: VOTE: VOTE: VOTE: VOTE: VOTE: VOTE: Coward number 1, Pookybear

[Noraa]

I changed my mind. Vp, I found an even cozier wagon.

VOTE: Gamma

[Noraa]

Pooky's play doesn't make sense as scum play. It's very antitown play imo but regardless, probs not scum.

Vp and I've been talking in the pt and I think he's pretty townie and if I had to gun to head, I'd say he's town.

The best lim methinks is gamma.

[Noraa]

VP is very nice and his thought process is fairly townie. I won't be voting there today.

[Noraa]

Yeet me daddy

wish granted.

[Noraa]

If gamma flips scum, tomorrow, cake you are fucking dying and I'm gonna make it happen.

[Noraa]

I believe VP is town aorn and you telling me it isn't true isn't gonna change jackshit.

[Noraa]

Lim Cakez after I die pls

flip red and ur wish will be granted.

[Noraa]

Vp and I've been talking in the pt and I think he's pretty townie and if I had to gun to head, I'd say he's town.

Imagine thinking it’s town indicative to HIDE townie thoughts in a PT in an open setup nightless game smh. You r either being pocketed or just making up things because you are scum too.

I think there are ways to tell if your buddy in the pt is town or scum. aorn I lean town just like you lean scum on gamma for not stopping you from challenging.

[Noraa]

who are the red jaguars?

[Noraa]

Lilith hasn't talked yet. How do you read her?

[Noraa]

like you could make that happen

if gamma is scum, ur 90% a buddy.

[Noraa]

and I WILL MAKE IT HAPPEN

[Noraa]

You WILL die if you are bussing ur buddy gamma rn.

[Noraa]

Ballad is so scummy

who?

[Noraa]

The townblock is a scary thing to those not willing or ready.
Kill me or not, whatever you do, keep Pooky and Noraa alive.

It looks like “I know you’re town but need to justify my vote here with moral outrage”

But it also looks like “this guys head is full of stuffing he’s not good to keep around”

I didn’t like Pooky asserting “I’m town bc scum wouldn’t be this reckless” either

GODDAMNJIT

I just wrote a wall up and THESE ASSHOLE FINGERS DELETED IT IN A SWIPE

[Noraa]

Lilith feels like she’s promoting TTvTT conflict

Your partner started a challenge on like page 3....

Okay but that’s direct initiation
Lilith is like an announcer for a WWE fight, she not in the ring getting bloody

You can't honestly believe this

Methinks me agrees with VP for the most part.

Tinfoiling notsci town

I do not follow at all.

Do you think I operate within the same bounds as you?
I have access to powerful majjyks that allow me to read the unreadable
The secrets of the cue ball are mine to perceive.

so defensive.

who?

you know who

No I don't.

VOTE: pooky

You're either scum or a gigantic liability

Noraa this might as well be a scum claim.

Yea
“Scum or liability” is the lazy/bad way to read Pooky

pooky is scum or a liability

VOTE: Pooky

I never understood why there was a problem with that sentence from VP. Cuz its quite true. Either pooky is scum or he's town's biggest scum bucket.

Reck I’m placing my faith in you
Don’t be scum for 3 games in a row

Dont shade people when ur scum. It gives u away. VOTE: Gamma

“Scum or liability” is the lazy/bad way to read Pooky

What is the correct take on it?

Pooky can be and is a decent town player, he even got N1ed the first time I played with town!him
My method of reading him boils down to, in simple terms: if he looks like he knows what he’s doing, he’s scum, if he doesn’t he’s town

Ok but what's wrong with VP's take? It's entirely logically based while yours is meta based. Theres nothing wrong with either, no?

you just gave away any chance of us scumhunting D1 for a lulzy meme challenge

this is hilarious coming from someone voting the most townie player to ever town

Ur a big scum butt that's unfortunately probably town.

gamma where did noraa obvtown?

Good question.

Her Pooky read was good, felt natural, and I just get Good Vibes^TM from her

Terrible answer.

scum!noraa wouldnt SR town!pooky cuz its way easier to just pocket me with love and hugs

I don't SR you. I do think ur a big scumbucket for ur page 3 challenge.

town!pooky, the 3-4 times I’ve seen, has always tried to be logical and reasonable and I see none of that here

no....

It looks like “I know you’re town but need to justify my vote here with moral outrage”

But it also looks like “this guys head is full of stuffing he’s not good to keep around”

I didn’t like Pooky asserting “I’m town bc scum wouldn’t be this reckless” either

how does it look like the first one?

It's not like VP's reaction was an overreaction when he threw cups and plates at everyone and got extremely mad.

I don't understand how you even see the first possibility.

Like if he was being super dramatic and using a shit ton of AtE, that perspective makes sense but he wasn't so I feel like this is an attempt to shade.

Gun to head
Gamma/Notsci/____/_____

[Noraa]

Oh also I don't think pooky ever asserted that.

I said it first actually.

But yeah this play is a huge gambit if he is scum and I'm not sure scum!pooky willingly puts himself on the chopping block just like that.

[Noraa]

You bitch and moan about how I read you wrong and yet when I townread you you attack me. And I find it ridiculous you think I can’t find you obvtown when you yourself boast about your towniness at every turn. You’re not genuinely interacting with me, you’re being contrarian!!!!!!!!

Your town reads on me never last not to mention I think ur scum here anyways.
You do read me wrong more often than not. Each time I'm town, you start out TRing me and I'm like cool maybe gamma finally can read me. Then when my wagon starts blowing up, ur always like "Pfft I SR you now."
From my posting in this game, you should not find me obvtown and you've done nothing but throw shade at people and town block pooky and I for no literal reason.
Out of {VP, Pooky, Gamma} you look the worst and that's why I'm voting you.

Why are you whining about me voting you when you were having that full on defeatist mode where you were like "its fine if I die. Just town block pooky and Noraa after I'm dead"

Haven't you always said my play wasn't that good? When did you ever see I was obvtown when I thought I was obvtowning? Literally never.

[Noraa]

"its fine if I die. Just town block pooky and Noraa after I'm dead"

Not to mention this ^ is something I used to do as scum a shit ton.

[Noraa]

@VPB: What's your opinion on meta?

I would say I use it as a general outline if I know a player well? But it's often on an intuitive level I can't really explain well. Like, "hmm, reck feels strange this game." I find it hard to really articulate an argument for alignment based strictly on meta, because any halfway decent player is going to change things up a bit from game to game.

So tl;dr -- I'm not antimeta per se, but I'd rarely use it as my main reason for reading someone.

I see.

I generally think meta is trash. Well, I actually think the way it is used is trash, but this mafiascum so we don't have room for nuance.

That being said, considering you were one of the people who got snowed very hard by noraa last game we played (where me/Haschel/noraa were scum), I was curious if you had any insights into her from that perspective. Not so much "is she scum or town based on meta" but moreso looking for a peek into noraa the player bc my only experience with her so far was on a scumteam together

Noraa liked this post

TR Reck.

[Noraa]

You literally expect everyone to townread you but when I do it I’m the worst person on the planet! GROW UP.

ur trying to tell me that you TRed me just so that I would TR you?

Pfft.

that's not how the world works.

[Noraa]

Getting into a tussle with me doesn't make you look better, Gamma. It just looks like your trying to turn reads into a fight to cover up how correct they are.

[Noraa]

Ur TR on me is bad tho. Is there something wrong with me pointing it out?

U being like "Noraa and Pooky are conftown as of page ten" and then proceeding to say I need to stop bitching and whining about how ur scum.

[Noraa]

I WANT FAIR GODDAMN TRETMENT!!!!!!!!!

And you got it.

[Noraa]

If I don't act high and mighty with confidence in games where I'm heavily SRed, I fucking always die a day 1 lim. Is that hard to understand or something?

[Noraa]

Ur leading this convo so astray with ur AtE

[Noraa]

I was mean to you in mafia sunny?
Haunted Village?
Betrayal?
Student council?
Where?

[Noraa]

Keep attacking my play. It doesn't make you look any less scummy here.

[Noraa]

UR not even talking logic anymore. Ur just attacking my inexperience.

[Noraa]

Mafiasunny, I had to solo carry a scum team. Ofc I have to discredit you.
Xenoblade, likewise I was scum and also I did not bite back at you. If I remember correctly I didn't ever SR you that game at all.
Student Council, I thought you were scum from time to time but I compromise with my hydra buddy.
Haunted village and Betrayal, according to you, I was ok.
Donner Party, you were scummy asf so ofc I tunneled.

Your telling me that if I SR you, I'm being mean and unreasonable.
If I think ur scum, I'm mean and unreasonable.
As long as you TR me, I have to do the same back?
wtf gamma.

[Noraa]

You said things that I found very offensive in Betrayal and? mini 2170. You said things that read to me like "Noraa is a crappy player"
No shit I was offended.

[Noraa]

noraa what happened to your super duper scumread on me?

When did I SR you?

[Noraa]

If gamma flips scum, tomorrow, cake you are fucking dying and I'm gonna make it happen.

Lim Cakez after I die pls

flip red and ur wish will be granted.

like you could make that happen

if gamma is scum, ur 90% a buddy.

and I WILL MAKE IT HAPPEN

You WILL die if you are bussing ur buddy gamma rn.

Yeah ok I remember this. You dipped from the thread and I forgot about you. Hence the SR has lessened.

[Noraa]

In Donner Party, I was the vig and I was having to deal with cocksure guillotina. Of course I wasn't gonna come out smelling like roses. But every time I tried to look past you you'd call me scum for it!!!!!
As for Xenoblade 2, I guess you didn't "bite back" but you did snub me when I tried to work with you early on, and then fired at me with the same bit about "being obligated to TR me back" you're using here

In donner, you called me a "beacon of towniness" and then proceeded to be one of the damning votes on my wagon. My wagon was 50% scum driven with the first two votes both being scum. You were the fucking third vote nearly like ten pages after u called me a "beacon of towniness"

In Xenoblade, I said that cuz that's fucking how I felt town me would react cuz I was very upset with the way you were positioning urself around my wagons in multiple different games.

[Noraa]

You said things that I found very offensive in Betrayal and? mini 2170. You said things that read to me like "Noraa is a crappy player"
No shit I was offended.

I don't think I said you were a bad PLAYER, at least in betrayal. I said your PLAY looked bad, yes. And in mini 2170, while I may have said that, I also said I believed you could improve.

Great ok. Thats where I started disliking your play.
I'm not engaging you anymore cuz I see this as you trying hard to 1v1 me knowing that I almost always succeed to be day 1 limbait.

[Noraa]

The above post is both of our cues to shut the fuck up about this. Got it?
I will shut up about it.
And you will shut up too.

[Noraa]

Noraa SRs Gamma and calls gamma's play bad
Gamma demands fair treatment.
The end.

[Noraa]

Just take the fucking townread goddamn it!!!!!!

You bitch and moan about how I read you wrong and yet when I townread you you attack me. And I find it ridiculous you think I can’t find you obvtown when you yourself boast about your towniness at every turn. You’re not genuinely interacting with me, you’re being contrarian!!!!!!!!

It started because gamma said these two ^
and I got upsetti spaghetti

[Noraa]

The only compromise I'm willing to take today is Pooky.

Everything Gamma does is scummy in my eyes but I certainly have bias and am salty about many things he decided to say.

The only compromise is Pooky who I see as a most likely town but extremely antitown player. I can see many ways where he can fuck town up by instachallenging every day regardless of his actual alignment.

[Noraa]

But in return you need to admit you can't read me, since it seems you've barely, if ever, townread me in games where I wasn't mechanically conftown.

Why are you even continuing this conversation?

If you really want to, post game, pms/dms.

[Noraa]

People making "alliances, trust deals, fake bullshit" in their PTs need to be BURNED IMMEDIATELY.

I suggested it. Pooky will you burn me?

[Noraa]

DO NOT USE YOUR PTS FOR GAME RELEVANT INFO. Post it IN GAME THREAD.

FULL TRANSPARENCY IS OUR FRIEND.

why? I like it. It's like having a notes pt instead of sending myself emails every time I think of something I don't wanna say in the game thread.

[Noraa]

you're an idiot

btw when I played with Scum!Noraa i killed her at elo for a town win

when you played with scum!Noraa you lost to her badly after getting snowed

think about that the next time you hurl another personal insult at me

Don't talk to VP like that.

If it weren't for everyone else thinking I were scum in death curse, you would've gotten snowed.

[Noraa]

If it weren't for everyone else thinking I were scum in death curse, you would've gotten snowed.

lol are you serious i had you at scum from d1 do you know how long i had to lie to gloria so she wouldnt kill me

everyone did. that all changed really fast tho.

[Noraa]

Btw where did VP call someone an idiot?

Also I think calling someone an idiot is much less offensive than being like "hah Noraa snowed u in a game whereas she didn't do that to me"

One is slightly offensive. The other hurts people's pride.

[Noraa]

like you knew i was trying to shoot you for 3 days

you said it yourself in the scum PT :3

can't tell if ur being serious but it didn't look too much like that to me.

[Noraa]

Btw where did VP call someone an idiot?

Also I think calling someone an idiot is much less offensive than being like "hah Noraa snowed u in a game whereas she didn't do that to me"

One is slightly offensive. The other hurts people's pride.

I'm disproving his idiot attack on me with actual data

Two games is a terribly small sample size.

[Noraa]

Pooky is a fucking idiot who I want dead

I mean, the sad thing is my gut thinks pooky could be this dumb as town.

Posting in the PT that I think you're an idiot rn.

You're very emotional, pooky. You ok?

Since Noraa apparently can't see her partner launching personal insults at me.

Your play was not stellar. I think vp worded it a bit harsh but overall I can see why he says it and most people here should be able to - you literally challenged on like ... page 3.

[Noraa]

Fwiw, I don't care. I don't take self worth out of wins and losses on internet forum games. Pooky can talk shit all he wants.

you're literally calling me an idiot for making a play in an internet forum game

I've called someone's play trash straight from the dumpster for lolhammering me before.

[Noraa]

That's why a town perspective entering this POE-4 should be to figure out who the bad guy is and push them.

Instead Baltar's perspective is

"let's kill Pooky cuz he's an idiot"

"let's kill Pooky because even if he's town he's helping scum"

He's not even trying to find the bad guy, he's decided to autoslot Noraa as green despite having no legit reason to do so.

He's decided he wants to kill Pooky despite more or less knowing Pooky is green because Pooky isn't playing according to some arbitrary standard of goodness he's decided on.

This is scummy as hell behavior and not a town mindset at all.

This also strikes me as a representation of how many people this game are thinking.

If everyone else was townier even if only by a little bit, I'd be down with yeeting you for that super antitown play. Sure u can say it moves the game forward. But so does talking to everyone, developing SRs and TRs, and then challenging which is the optimal play.

You played poorly with that challenge and if all the options are similar and not too different in terms of scumminess, I'd yeet you for it.

[Noraa]

god dammit you're gonna make me read a bunch of spammy bullshit aren't you

I'm too old for this shit

PFFT. UT like what's this I here? Some toddlers bickering about who's the prettier pony?

[Noraa]

*hear

[Noraa]

a PL really?

No. I think VP is town and he is a green monkey, on my team. I certainly prefer gamma and Pooky over him.

I prefer gamma and my only compromise would be pooky.

Dunno why you can't understand why and think misrepping me is a better idea but eh whatever.

[Noraa]

No. I think VP is town and he is a green monkey, on my team.

justify this TR

His thought process is towny and I follow along quite easily.
Much townier than gamma or you for that matter.

[Noraa]

He isn't throwing around AtE unlike you two.

[Noraa]

He isn't throwing around AtE unlike you two.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA FROM THE QUEEN OF ATE HERSELF

Have I thrown around AtE this game at all?
No. BECAUSE YOU EFFING MADE US MISS ALL OF RVS.

[Noraa]

If he was scum, why'd he say it that way?
it makes him look nothing but bad.

[Noraa]

He could've come into the thread and just left out that part and I wouldnt have said anything.

[Noraa]

Have I thrown around AtE this game at all?
No. BECAUSE YOU EFFING MADE US MISS ALL OF RVS.

what's wrong with getting to the good part early?

*grabs pooky*
*SHAKES HIM*
HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT

[Noraa]

He probably didn't realize the type of picture he was painting. Plus if he lied you'd be able to call him out.

leaving a part out isn't lying. its just cherrypicking what you say.

[Noraa]

I didnt mean anything dirty by that!!!!!

I also eat dessert first at meals!!!

I didn't even think of it that way until u said this -______________________-
u mind is fiiiiiiiiiiiilthy

The meaning if my post is that
*SHAKES POOKY*
RVS
*SHAKES POOKY AGAIN*
IS
*SHAKES POOKY ONE MORE TIME*
THE FUCKING BEST

[Noraa]

WHAT YOU WENT THERE FIRST

ME ISH INNOCENT BEAR

[Noraa]

what a bait

ok but real talk baltar probly is scum

get that bus cred pls noraa

me don't agree.

[Noraa]

cuz he has you pocketed noooraaaaaa

nope.

[Noraa]

Wild notion, but 46% of the posts this game are from noraa and gamma so how about the two of you chill out and let some other people talk instead of suffocating the game?

me gamma noraa baltar take a time out and let the other 8 people talk for a day or two ok?

I'm down for that

Baltar Noraa Gamma?

NUUUU I HASNT EVEN PULLED OUT THE PUPPY GIFS YET

[Noraa]

btw UT is town

elaborate

[Noraa]

Gamma's entire reaction to Noraa pushing back on a townread is very weird.

agree. it was an overreaction no matter how I look at it.

[Noraa]

What is the Baltar scum case

There is none. They just kept pushing me for a gamma one.

[Noraa]

OH SHOOT VOW OF SILENCE

SORRRRYYYYYYYYY

BACK TO HIBERNATION IN MY CAVE OF SILENCE

[Noraa]

but VP and Noraa weren’t.

Haha you TR me and then shade me. Good combo.

[Noraa]

I agree with drunk reck

I don't. maybe I'm just slow or something :/

[Noraa]

There is something extremely unsettling about the fact that nearly everything Starbuck has said, someone else has already said.

[Noraa]

Gamma, if I was off wagon(off ur wagon) and ur wagon was at E-1, what would you say to me?

[Noraa]

UT's post is interesting to say the least. I'll dig thru it in a bit.

[Noraa]

with our current state of interactions I'd probably dare you to hammer me. In a neutral scenario I might ask what you're seeing in me.

Dunno where I was going with that question tbh. it really doesn't tell me much but ig I was curious? Dunno *throws up hands*

[Noraa]

Time for me to address UT's wall. In a bit, I will.

[Noraa]

Here's my biggest problem with hyperposting, and especially hyperposting when there's literally no content to comment on: it's almost impossible to nail a person down on anything and the vast majority of their posts are going to be like this, where it's either repeating something they've already said or just baselessly throwing takes around. they make a bad post and then you point it out and they bury you in a bunch of bullshit and it's hard to engage with or analyze any one post because there's so many, they tend to be contradictory, and the person posting just keeps making new ones that they say explain everything but are just as bad.

"pooky's play doesn't make sense as scum" why? this is not explored or explicated. it's just stated as fact.
"it's a very anti-town play" why is it anti-town? why is it anti-town but not pro-scum? again, this is not explored or explicated. it's in contradiction to the sentence immediately preceding it, but then right after noraa say "regardless, probs not scum". why? who knows. I shouldn't need a decoder ring and five special pirate maps to puzzle out what someone is thinking in a game that's primarily based on arguing. if your reads are unclear and mysterious, it's probably because they're bad or fake.

now look, I don't really care if later on, noraa has explained this post if pushed on it because explaining bad posts is part of being scum. See what I did in that sentence? I said something was scummy, said why something was scummy, and gave a reason why a mitigating factor doesn't change my read. It's really not that hard to do when your reads are based on something other than a need to push a misyeet or not get yeeted.

anyway vote noraa

Who else has some takes
________________________


off topic - this'll come up later if Starbuck is on the table, but I feel like her catchup is very fluff.

So the first paragraph here basically just says in one sentence "we ought to do a PL on Noraa bc she's a hyper poster" and then goes on to mention a lot of stereotypical hyper posting problems. Great. Next time, point out what's wrong with me. I don't need to know what hyper posters normally do.

Next paragraph.
If its stated as a fact, its inviting you to agree/disagree. You coming here and telling me its stated as a fact isn't really helpful as everyone here can see that.
So what if its not explored? If you want me to elaborate, just ask.
How is it contradictory? I have made my stance very clear. I think Pooky is an extremely anti-town townie.
Perhaps I'm not using the terms right.
A translation would be: I think Pooky rolled town alignment wise but is being an absolute scumbutt with his actions.
Unclear reads on page 5 or something is weird?
I'd be surprised if I had any really well developing by like page 10, not to mention, 5.

Next paragraph.
Basically says "even if I misinterpreted what this post says and Noraa clarifies, she's still scum cuz engaging with people and replying to questions is scummy"

No you didnt say why I was scummy. You said why I need to be PLed and also that some bad/not explained well reads on page 5 are enough to justify yeeting me.

You then shade me and say my reads are based on me trying to get a misyeet/self preservation.
Are you insane?
Prior to this crappy post, I had zero votes and had the LEAST amount of pressure out of all 4 on the chopping block today.
Where the fuck do you get that I'm trying to get a misyeet?
You say my reads aren't well explained.

YOUR CONCLUSION DOESNT FUCKING MATCH UP WITH THE THREE PARAGRAPHS PRECEDING IT THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO DEFEND IT.


Very last sentence.
You shade Starbuck.

You can be scum for that ridiculous push on me that is so underwhelming it's funny.

[Noraa]

How well do Noraa and VP know each other? They both seem very trusting of the other when I think town would be more suspicious/paranoid of early mutual townreads. Noraa is suspicious of gamma townreading her (a trait I generally consider towny), but why isn’t she paranoid of VP?

I have been concerned with VP before but it has never been voiced in thread.

For the most part tho, I still pretty solidly believe that VP is town.

No, we don't know each other too well.

I think he's town cuz I agree with most of what he says. That is he says stuff and I agree. Not I say stuff and he agrees.
And overall, I see town saying what he says more often than scum.
He also had one pretty town post in the hood that I'll pull out if needed and with his permission ofc.

Haschelnote: Rule 3 states "3. No quoting mod PMs or direct quotes from a private topic."

[Noraa]

Haschelnote: Rule 3 states "3. No quoting mod PMs or direct quotes from a private topic."

Ah yeah sorry! I will definitely paraphrase if I decide to pull it out.

[Noraa]

why are you even making a deal for a day to trust each other

I made the deal. Do you have a problem with it?
I think its a smart way to go about the day.

[Noraa]

that doesn't answer "why"

i have a lot of problems with it

I don't really care honestly.

I think its a good idea and imma continue doing it.

If VP starts being weird, I'll stop but he's been fine.

[Noraa]

and I'm assuming that was her intent as well

u assumed correctly

[Noraa]

Cake why am I scum? You don't seem to have a reason.

[Noraa]

Cake why am I scum? You don't seem to have a reason.

i'm not really SRing you very strongly. UT had a decent case for you being scum.

What was decent about that crap case?

[Noraa]

the thing that worries me w/Noraa is I'm pretty sure all of the AtE you're calling out she would be doing regardless of alignment
@Starbuck

Im literally BARELY AtE'ing. I have done nearly no AtE at all. Whats up with this crap ass shade at me for AtE'ing when Gamma's AtE has certainly been MUCH more present.

Starbuck's stance around gamma is really weird.

I've been thinking about gamma lately and I'm coming around to gamma town somewhat.

It's hard to say but aorn I'm not all that convinced in gamma scum anymore.

I think my new solve looks like notsci/starbuck/UT/___

[Noraa]

Its great that Starbuck is throwing shade at so many people yet not voting anyone.

The fact that she decides that basically pooky and vp don't exist and the whole choice is between gamma and I is interesting as well.

She also seems to have a thing for pocketing gamma.

[Noraa]

Gamma had a few very noticeable scum tells that I used to have which was really alarming but also he feels somewhat? genuine.
Idk I have like a gut feeling he's scum but also a gut feeling he's town.

[Noraa]

I'm saying your reaction to Noraa proposing a trust deal to you is suspicious given that she literally just snowed you for a scumwin.

I really dislike Starbuck's way of approaching this game.

Imma hold off on it for a bit and meta her cuz she seems pretty LHF-y which is weirding me off given her join date.

Anyways, im like 99% certain cake is scum here.

Theres something really off there. Like his usual approach to a game when he's town, from my experience is "Idgaf what u say or what anyone says but im just gonna not make sense and you can do anything about it"

He's very over explainy here and trying to sheep UT is just a weird look for him.

It doesn't match up with his town meta at all. He's trying too hard to make everything he does make sense to other people and I take it that he's scum.

Heres the strongest SR of mine so far in this entire game: Cake.
10000% meta based but im certain he is scum.
I've been wrong about soul read in the past but I've only had 4 of them in all of MS history.
I nailed 2 scum in less than 10 pages and was wrong about the other.

99% sure Cake is scum.

[Noraa]

didn't mean to quote that.

[Noraa]

Your meta on me doesn't make any sense lol

town!cake never tries to talk logic to me rn. Town!cake tells me to fuck off and calls me scum.

[Noraa]

Pooky do you believe in my soul read?

[Noraa]

You have to know that I nailed DK dead on page 10 of student council and I nailed shelly dead on page 7 of Great Idea

[Noraa]

There was only Noraa soul read that was wrong. It was on Datisi.

Then again .... I got lolhammered in that game by town as a RBer so the game was clearly cursed :3

[Noraa]

what soul read?

the soul read that cake is scum.

[Noraa]

if you help me yeet baltar and he flips red i will let you challenge cakez tomm

These conditions aren't reasonable.
I don't even think vp is scum.
why do I have to guarantee someone who I don't SR flips red?
like ... uh.

[Noraa]

I can think about voting vp today in return for a cake yeet tomorrow. Your other condition I will not accept cuz if he flips green like I think he will, 1) im not gonna get my preferred lim today and 2) im not gonna get my other one tomorrow.

[Noraa]

There was only Noraa soul read that was wrong. It was on Datisi.

Then again .... I got lolhammered in that game by town as a RBer so the game was clearly cursed :3

How can you say you are reliable then when you are literally admitting it's been wrong before

so?
if I think like how u seem to be suggesting, im never gonna believe in myself.

[Noraa]

*suggesting I should, im

[Noraa]

i mean you're asking me to support your SR when you won't support my SR

I as if u believe in me

[Noraa]

like if Baltar flips red I will be running this town with an iron fucking fist so I can grant your request to hunt down Cakez

but if Baltar flips green obv you won't have to ask for my approval :3

hm. that does make sense.
I'll think about it.
I honestly currently am leaning all 4 in the limpool being town in which case .... taking out me is probs the best play considering im not generally helpful to town.

[Noraa]

No I was told I wasn’t giving Noraa enough credit, so I downgraded you as my first choice to you or her having scum in it.

giving me enough credit? I dunno how to interpret that. dumb it down.

[Noraa]

Gamma has too many SRs and almost all of that readlist just looks like my reads that have been scattered around this game grouped together and then tweaked to sound more gamma-y.

No no. I don't think this is town gamma.

VOTE: Gamma

[Noraa]

I don't think so.

I think ur scum and if ur not, sorry. not much else to say. I prefer u. Maybe I'd compromise on vp or pooky. Im not sure.

[Noraa]

Starbuck said I was underestimating you. I have adjusted my reads accordingly.

Does Starbuck even know my meta?

[Noraa]

Scummy to say you'd yeet everyone basically

scummy but truly how I feel atm.

[Noraa]

My bottom line is you or VP is scum

where the fuck does this come from

[Noraa]

Cake is scum and I firmly believe in this. It's my strongest SR in this game.

Gamma/Notsci both scummy asf

I get it my post was scummy. Fair enough and I don't know what to say cuz it was certainly scummy.

[Noraa]

Cake is scum and I firmly believe in this. It's my strongest SR in this game.

Gamma/Notsci both scummy asf

I get it my post was scummy. Fair enough and I don't know what to say cuz it was certainly scummy.

why have I been on Gamma all day then?

The more you try to convince me, the more im certain ur scum.

Town!cake does not react to a SR the way you are doing it rn. Town!Cake is the scummiest player on the surface of the planet(this is exaggerated to help push my point). Town!Cake doesn't talk logic. Doesn't talk anything except what he thinks.

This is not town!cake.

[Noraa]

I wouldn't word it the same but I agree with the vibe of how Noraa is perceiving Cakez
I won't call myself good at reading Cakez but he has patterns of behavior I'm not sure he's entirely aware of and able to control yet.

Oh how my reads change.

TR gamma.

UNVOTE:

[Noraa]

Its hard to describe why im SRing Cake. It truly is a soul read.

[Noraa]

But im quite certain im right.

[Noraa]

omg Cabd said this too and it's driving me nuts

and Cabd caught scum!you on day 1.

[Noraa]

you're not cabd sadly

im not. but my soul reads are fairly impressive.

[Noraa]

too lazy to count up votes but I'm fairly certain we're not close to a hammer lol

VOTE: noraa

Aha Stuff im listening to part 2.

[Noraa]

how long were you waiting to use that again

didn't even have to wait.

[Noraa]

I don't flail as scum until lylo unless there are large amounts of pressure on me.

[Noraa]

Saying stupid things isn't exactly AI for me.
Being defensive isn't AI for me.
Being scummy is however.
I never die day 1 as scum. Not once.
Half my town games however end on day 1 for me.

[Noraa]

Yeah Lilith I think cake is scum for not being scummy enough.

A shit ton of players on this site play more scummy as town and more towny as scum. Cake is one of them.

The fact that no one SRs him except me when we're already on page 28 is a huge red flag. I've basically only seen Cake die day 1 as town.

[Noraa]

The other part of the meta is that he just feels off here. Hard to describe but anyone that's played with him should be able to feel it to a certain extent.

[Noraa]

Btw tomorrow I am instachallenging Cake's team if im still alive.

Y'all want transparency. That is exactly what im doing tomorrow.

[Noraa]

I get that, and that's my concern here. I just really don't get being defensive toward me when I was just asking for your thought process without it being an attack. I also don't get saying "hey I would like to have a transparent neighborhood, let's try to trust each other as much as possible" and then saying you'll yeet me when I've been 100% transparent.

-pedit @noraa above

I first started thinking u were scum when UT posted a case on me.

I found the case absolutely ridiculous and just like a tiny amount of time before I had told you I was worried about getting limmed day 1.

After I said that to you, a bunch of people openly voiced TRs on me and I was like Huh this is strange.

Then suddenly out of nowhere a shit case pops up and my first thought was "Did VP tell him i was an easy target?"

I haven't been entirely transparent in the pt bc I don't trust u entirely and I feel like that's reasonable and you can't expect full transparency.

[Noraa]

you die day 2 as scum tho :>)

Once when I was guiltied and once because Cabd is a god.

[Noraa]

i'm not sure if Noraa is scum but if she wants to play antitown I'll help yeet her

Why don't you support the pooky wagon then?

Ur just trying to justify a vote on me here.

Ur scum.

[Noraa]

Lol fml.

Noraa, why are you going off? This is really not helpful if you're town

Because im annoyed I posted a shit post and im annoyed that im probably gonna die day 1 for the fifth time or some shit like that this month.
It's so damn frustrating that no one understands that my scum game is FUCKING BETTER that this.

Literally annoying that everyone always TRs me for half of day 1 and I get my hopes up that I'll finally not fuck up a town game and then they just turn during the last like 2 days of day 1.

It's stupid. No one ever turns on me day 1 when im scum and when half the plist starts turning halfway thru day 1 it literally just means im town.

[Noraa]

You understand how bonkers that sounds, right?

And as town, yes I expect transparency in my neighborhood. Scum can't be transparent because they'll get caught. I know I have nothing to hide and I'm totally fine being transparent.

If I was scum, why would I need UT to do my dirty work? I could push for your yeet very easily, and it would have made my own game pretty simple after the challenge.

You're being extremely paranoid if you're town and it's not helpful.

(On the plus side Pooky, you've ruined our marriage and we aren't talking in the PT Team monkey needs counseling!)

I literally don't care. I wanted to know if you were town and the only way was to make it seem like I was 1000% convinced you were. Only when you're relaxed can I get a somewhat accurate read.

Saying this really doesn't help me whatsoever cuz now I can't read u that way but idc that was my plan and it didn't help me cuz I still don't know >:(

[Noraa]

a lot of Noraa's defensiveness doesn't make sense

If I don't act high and mighty with confidence in games where I'm heavily SRed, I fucking always die a day 1 lim. Is that hard to understand or something?

im not even acting like that this game so you can stop.

[Noraa]

Well I don't trust anyone so there won't be full transparency from me.

[Noraa]

Then don't trust me.

[Noraa]

Has anyone ever seen Notsci push two PLs?
My SR there stands
Notsci/Cake/___/___

[Noraa]

In the current bracket, im not sure who is scum or if there even is scum.


A few things from gamma that looked super scummy was
1) the self vote and AtE following it
2) the super scummy pushes on everyone following it and soon after, basically a unvote with a crappy reason. Unvotes don't need reasons to justify them. Very overexplain-y
3) the defeatist shit. It was like page 5 or something.
4) the "I can die but don't kill pooky and Noraa"

All of those were extremely scummy.

I had some scummy shit. I'll admit. But I don't think it ever beats what gamma's done.

I don't think it ever makes sense for a townie to hard TR someone that is SRing them really hard.

Especially for a player like gamma who is quite emotionally fueled at times.

OMGUS is more acceptable imo.

[Noraa]

For pooky,

after much thought, pooky!scum does make sense to some extent.

If pooky was scum, it clears vp and gamma imo.

The play in a way makes sense from scum perspective cuz TSTBS.

But I see it from town more.

I think if pooky insta challenges again tho, its a scum claim.

[Noraa]

VP has weird posts in the pt. He's being pretty pocket-y I won't lie.

I feel like he's been trying to push reads from him onto me.

Also I just feel like I've said a ton of scummy shit in the pt and he hasn't really addressed it.

His one time he was "paranoid" of me felt a slight bit fake.

I'm definitely overly paranoid this game considering its impossible all the people that are scummy are scum but that's my take and im at a point where im 100% convinced cake is scum due to a soul read.

90% sure Notsci is scum cuz his pushes don't come from town.

The other two I don't know and the current bracket of 4 im basically all paranoid of.

[Noraa]

Again, I'll say it one more time, if I live til tomorrow, im instachallenging cake unless someone spends a very long time convincing me that's a bad idea cuz im 100% sure cake is scum and you'd have to have some real convincing reason for not voting out what I consider confscum.

[Noraa]

Anyways I found half the solve. Adios. I'll be back in this thread whenever I feel like it.

[Noraa]

Tho I've never been in a neighborhood type thing before except in Xenoblade where I was scum so the paranoia kicking in is possible. VP might just be a nice dude and im reading too hard.

Idk.

[Noraa]

um u still havent answered who u want to yeet noraa

Dunno.

[Noraa]

But Cakez gives a sorta lhf wrong-place-wrong-time vibe as town

Very good way to put it.

[Noraa]

I wouldn't word it the same but I agree with the vibe of how Noraa is perceiving Cakez
I won't call myself good at reading Cakez but he has patterns of behavior I'm not sure he's entirely aware of and able to control yet.

Oh how my reads change.

TR gamma.

UNVOTE:

Noraa, why does this post make you townread gamma?

Noraa can you please answer this and then explain why you’re now saying gamma is scum again?

Wasn't sure why at first. It was a gut reaction that was like this post is super townie. Went back read it and was like what did I see in it?
Thought about it for a bit.
This reminds me of Student Council where I nailed scum on page 10 or something and gamma was like yeah I agree the vibe is off.
After much thought on this, lockdown gamma.
I want pooky or vp today.

I’m planning on rereading gamma in the context of VP’s points against him but have to do work so hopefully later today

Also I reeeeeally don’t like noraa’s posts being like “this is why the other people in the pool are scummier than me” but not actually scumreading any of them

Oh I SRed all three of them at the time that I made that post.

[Noraa]

Notice Notsci and Cake avoiding my wagon like the plague.

Cake/Notsci both scum anyways.

If I truly am wrong somehow in these reads, I still am 100% sure {Cake, Notsci} contains at least 1 scum.

[Noraa]

Lets get this day over with.

VOTE: Noraa

Which scum wants to hammer me?
Cake?
Notisci?

[Noraa]

I’m not avoiding your wagon I unvoted because gammas right.

You need to cut the “anyone scumreading me is scum” shit because it gets old as fuck Noraa.

Oh no no. You're scum and not bc u vote me or SR me.

[Noraa]

If this bracket of 4 is all town, my death is worthy.
If not, it's not.

If this bracket ever has a flipped scum, the people pushing that all 4 are town today should be looked at.

Notsci and Cake are strong SRs of mine and im willing to bet my life that there is minimum 1 scum and maximum 2.

Unless everyone suddenly starts doing 180's on me, I have no desire to live past day 1.

[Noraa]

Uh huh.

hammer.

[Noraa]

Pfft taking so long to think about it is such a scum tell.

[Noraa]

Notsci is scum
Cake is scum
im damn near certain I solved half the game.

[Noraa]

Cool. Tell ur scum buddy to come hammer.

[Noraa]

Also hope you realize that you and cake are obvscumming like fuck.

No townie replies to my death tunneling with a poker face.

[Noraa]

dramatic toxic blowout

quite an overstatement and extremely shady of u to say that to discredit my reads.

[Noraa]

Say what you want. Bottom line is your read is off and your tunneling whoever scumreads you is a bore. I’ve already volunteered to be in the challenge tomorrow should town decide they want me to go.

I haven't tunneled everyone that SRs me. Don't discredit lol.

[Noraa]

Off wagon we have:

SirCakez - scum
AGar - be really weird if he hammers me after TRing me for so long.
PookyTheMagicalBear - will be extremely disappointed but not the first time pooky couldn't read me.
Gamma Emerald - will be really weird if he hammers also.
Lilith2013 - a maybe scum candidate regardless of hammer.
notscience -scum

The hammerer will be in {Notsci, Cake, Pooky, Lilith}

[Noraa]

As for why im analyzing who will hammer ... eh I dunno.

Sounded like a big waste of time so I decided to do it

[Noraa]

self-voting is never a good play for town to make.

sometimes fine if you're scum and you want to avoid having a teammate do an obvious bus.

Never noticed til now but what's up with the heavy IIOA vibes?
Forgot what the term was
Iloa?
IIoa?
IIOA?

[Noraa]

VOTE: pooky

I think all four are town so I’m just voting policy from here on

wtf.

[Noraa]

Oh also if gamma is actually scum, I'll be very upset with the play on day 1 because I find it extremely unfair if he played that way as scum.

[Noraa]

I feel like I've just given a ted talk which is exciting :O

[Noraa]

hmm
im very very curious if pooky would hammer me but since it seems im not that much a consensus, perhaps I'll let myself get my hopes up

UNVOTE:

one more try.

[Noraa]

hm so you were .... lurking?

[Noraa]

what r u even talking about noraa

when have i misread you

u can't tell me you never TRed me once in death curse.

[Noraa]

UNVOTE:

Thinking

I feel like this is basically a scum claim but idk.

I'll leave my vote here for now.

VOTE: VP

[Noraa]

Something uh very off topic that I wanna say rn is that for some reason im having an easier time sorting everyone OUTSIDE of todays limpool -_______________-

Todays limpool is killing me.
I've gone back and forth and im honestly just back to all 3 are pretty scummy

Gamma had a soul to soul moment there where I was like that's too similar to that game but he's pretty scummy :/ The literal page 3 TR is haunting me so much.

VP has alot of things that just don't make sense and he feels a decent amount manipulative.

Pooky is just pooky and I don't know how to read him.

Paranoia soda kicks in fast.

[Noraa]

u can't tell me you never TRed me once in death curse.

It wasn't so much TRing you in DC as I was just demotivated by being shouted down by an avalanche of people who kept screaming you were conftown and IC level town and it was either go along or get killed.

very impressive play then. I applaud you. Well if ur town, this is ur first time reading me wrong

[Noraa]

oldmanbrainIcantremember

duppin.

[Noraa]

Notscience I'm not gonna lie that last series of posts was fucking terrible

why is ur default to lie about notsci?

[Noraa]

Notscience I'm not gonna lie that last series of posts was fucking terrible

why is ur default to lie about notsci?

"not gonna lie" is just a way of saying "honestly"
so while it's trite, it's not like you're making it out to be

The main problem is that im certain Notsci is scum so therefore, this post sounds scummy.

[Noraa]

Am I allowed to vote no elim

Well this is a very forced town slip :/

[Noraa]

I die before I believe scum don't know no lim is not an option.

[Noraa]

because?

u really think 4 entire people didn't read the OP?
I do think it was a forced town slip.

[Noraa]

Am I allowed to vote no elim

Well this is a very forced town slip :/

it's not even a town slip, it's a "lack of reading comprehension" slip

I don't think so. Notsci is a very competent player that I think pays a shit ton of attention to details from what I know of him.

[Noraa]

Am I allowed to vote no elim

Well this is a very forced town slip :/

it's not even a town slip, it's a "lack of reading comprehension" slip

I don't think so. Notsci is a very competent player that I think pays a shit ton of attention to details from what I know of him.

why would scum fake that sort of thing, though, when it's not a town slip in any sense?

it is a town slip imo. but I think its faked cuz notsci doesn't ask questions like that or not read the OP regardless of alignment. and the only alignment that he could be to lie about this is scum.

[Noraa]

She “townslips” all the time, hence the increased sensitivity to it.

not anymore but yeah I used to do it a shit ton so this is fair.

[Noraa]

My gut says gamma is more scummy overall, but if we do have a four town situation, I think Noraa is less utility because I don't read Cakez as scum at all right now and she seems keyed up to auto challenge him.

Kinda rude for u to say that. ur basically just justifying a vote on me as a Pl and *assuming* all 4 are town.

Ur like gamma is scummier but Noraa is more negative utility to town. Hence justifying ur vote on both largest wagons of the day.

Maybe I can see
Vp/Notsci/Cake/__

[Noraa]

My gut says gamma is more scummy overall, but if we do have a four town situation, I think Noraa is less utility because I don't read Cakez as scum at all right now and she seems keyed up to auto challenge him.

Kinda rude for u to say that. ur basically just justifying a vote on me as a Pl and *assuming* all 4 are town.

Ur like gamma is scummier but Noraa is more negative utility to town. Hence justifying ur vote on both largest wagons of the day.

Maybe I can see
Vp/Notsci/Cake/__

You understand how silly this post is, right?

I mean, you're saying I'm justifying my vote when you literally said you'd yeet anyone who isn't you, nbd.

This is why I'm saying if you're town, you're pretty low utility. I tried to work with you and you came up with a harebrained theory that I'm scum because of that. It's not a town mentality. I honestly feel bad if you eat a lot of D1 yeets, but if this is your town play....what do you expect to happen?

dunno what else you except from someone with a 3 month join date but if ur solution is just "PL all newbies", ur the silly one.

I don't understand townreading noraa over pooky here

*gestures vaguely in the direction of the concept that people tend to like people who act like they do*

wat so u TR me now?

I’m planning on rereading gamma in the context of VP’s points against him but have to do work so hopefully later today

Also I reeeeeally don’t like noraa’s posts being like “this is why the other people in the pool are scummier than me” but not actually scumreading any of them

Oh I SRed all three of them at the time that I made that post.

??? Here’s the post you made:

In the current bracket, im not sure who is scum or if there even is scum.

which implies that you didn’t have a firm scumread on

any

of them, let alone all of them, and now you’re trying to make it seem like that post saying you’d vote anyone wasn’t sketchy af

Maybe a better term was I SL all of them.

[Noraa]

you're so confibiased it's unreal
maybe instead of doing mental gymnastics to somehow confirm to yourself that I'm scum why not just look at the obvious and realize I'm not voting you because I'm not scum and I'm not scumreading you

Town!cake doesn't act this calm and composed. It just doesn't happen.

I am not a meta expert but when someone is far out of their town range, I can see it.

[Noraa]

No no. Cake is scum. Clear as day.

He doesn't talk logic to me if he's town. He just tunnels me if he's town. This calmness is just not town!cake and I won't believe otherwise.