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my answer is honestly the same as Reck's lolIn post 286, VP Baltar wrote:Hi, UT! How will you know if Reck is scum this game?
Reck, I asked you a similar question, but I think you missed it.
he's town this game is my current read-
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bzztIn post 220, VP Baltar wrote:Pooky is a fucking idiot
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In post 449, xRECKONERx wrote:in the PT UT was like "how does it feel to be town together finally" and i was like "yep this is true 100% facts"
i can't explain it past that, i just know
I am finding Gamma to be conciliatory in a way that I did not expect, which reads to me as scummy. I'm also not liking the "I want to have the top post count in the game while I'm alive" thing because holy fucking shit if there's one thing a mafia game doesn't need it's a person trying to intentionally have more posts than everyone else. that's just policy but still. don't post just to see your avatar next to a bunch of words. that shit is obnoxious.
Pooky I find completely unreadable. basically I think later in the game if he's missed a bunch of reads he's probably scum. before then idfk.
VP I think is scummy for reasons I can't articulate, so that read is weak and useless to me at the moment.
noraa I think is probably our best bet for scum out of this pool.
I'm just gonna grab a post out of the stack because there's a whole fucking lot
Here's my biggest problem with hyperposting, and especially hyperposting when there's literally no content to comment on: it's almost impossible to nail a person down on anything and the vast majority of their posts are going to be like this, where it's either repeating something they've already said or just baselessly throwing takes around. they make a bad post and then you point it out and they bury you in a bunch of bullshit and it's hard to engage with or analyze any one post because there's so many, they tend to be contradictory, and the person posting just keeps making new ones that they say explain everything but are just as bad.In post 127, Noraa wrote:Pooky's play doesn't make sense as scum play. It's very antitown play imo but regardless, probs not scum.
Vp and I've been talking in the pt and I think he's pretty townie and if I had to gun to head, I'd say he's town.
The best lim methinks is gamma.
"pooky's play doesn't make sense as scum" why? this is not explored or explicated. it's just stated as fact.
"it's a very anti-town play" why is it anti-town? why is it anti-town but not pro-scum? again, this is not explored or explicated. it's in contradiction to the sentence immediately preceding it, but then right after noraa say "regardless, probs not scum". why? who knows. I shouldn't need a decoder ring and five special pirate maps to puzzle out what someone is thinking in a game that's primarily based on arguing. if your reads are unclear and mysterious, it's probably because they're bad or fake.
now look, I don't really care if later on, noraa has explained this post if pushed on it because explaining bad posts is part of being scum. See what I did in that sentence? I said something was scummy, said why something was scummy, and gave a reason why a mitigating factor doesn't change my read. It's really not that hard to do when your reads are based on something other than a need to push a misyeet or not get yeeted.
anywayvote noraa
Who else has some takes
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a. yeah I sort of figured Gamma wouldn't be able to resist the urge to post. honestly I'm thinking I might just want to vote to policy yeet them so I'll have less to read later.In post 459, Gamma Emerald wrote:I don't like the fact UT essentially SRs 3/4 people in the pool and shades the only one he doesn't flat out scumread, but says "I don't know why I scumread [person with probably the most solid points against them] so I can't act on that"
b. I find this specific behavior scummy =/= I think this slot is scum
c. I don't find pooky scummy? it'd be cool if you had anything you could quote to back that up but you don't so see point a
d. a careful reader of my post would note that I only found 1 real scumread out of the 4 slots available, so I don't know whether to chalk your response up to poor reading comprehension, a desire to lash out at anything you don't like reading, a desire to continue posting things, or some combination of the three but this is more in line with the Gamma Emerald I'm used to so now I'm leaning null rather than weirdly conciliatory-
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SirCakez
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AGar
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notscience
The Bulge
^ this list of people
what are your reads on the players on the table right now? how about the 8 of us talk about this. we don't need to talk about anyone who you can't vote for today. that will clutter this up and distract. just the people on the table.-
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whyIn post 480, notscience wrote:Noraa seems town
so... gamma is giving you a headache? and is therefore town?notscience wrote:when gamma gives me a headache he's town
whynotscience wrote:pooky doesn't bug me but prob not scum with vp
1. "pooky doesn't bug me". does this mean town? does this mean scum? by "not scum with vp" I am inferring a scumread on both but please clarify.
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In post 544, SirCakez wrote:a lot of Noraa's defensiveness doesn't make sense
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that game was extremely different from this one, to the point that I don't think examining it would help much behaviorally speakingVP Baltar wrote:@UT - when you and Reck were scum in that Hidden Temples game, what was your strategy broadly and how did it play out in the game?
1. alignment was given before teams were chosen
2. players voted to yeet a pair to start the game (sort of)
3. reck and I were consensus town reads from the very beginning based on... I'm not really sure what other than our fabulous charisma so that played a role in how we approached the rest of the game
4. any strategy we might have had was gummed up by town lolchallenging at every possible opportunity, so we had to just sort of play it by ear
I will say that one thing to consider is bussing and having caution in assigned towncred due to individual eliminations. in that game one of our scumbuddies turbosuicided into Reck and I (literally it was SvSvS that day) after we'd been planning a long term bus all game for the purpose of gaining towncred. because there was no way all three of those players could be scum, right? we rode the credit from that bus all the way to endgame, with the remaining town members talking themselves into how one of reck or I was "100% cleared".
scum in this setup can have a tremendous amount of control of who is eligible for elimination. they have a lot of power to set up either/or situations that are beneficial to them. considering that this game is 8:4, there is a tremendous amount of sense in at least one scumteam member being grist for the bussing mill.-
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In post 544, SirCakez wrote:a lot of Noraa's defensiveness doesn't make senseIn post 254, Noraa wrote:If I don't act high and mighty with confidence in games where I'm heavily SRed, I fucking always die a day 1 lim. Is that hard to understand or something?-
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nope! it's just wild to me to see someone else saying itIn post 728, notscience wrote:Am I wrong UT? I’m normally a much higher post count player but I’ve been able to reign it in to let the game breathe. Do you disagree with that analysis?-
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a. post-hoc justificationIn post 740, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:Like if 717 is true, why even talk about UT's case on her being the impetus?
b. inculcation. seems to want to shoehorn in "wahh wahh case is bad wahh wahh" as often as possible.
my read on this is that she's trying to give scumbuddies cover to bus. I don't really see a reason to melt down like this otherwise. I guess she could just be starting to lose her cool, but there really isn't that much pressure, so that seems less likely to meGamma Emerald wrote:the widespread shade without commitment is hard to rationalize-
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wow that's crazyIn post 743, VP Baltar wrote:
Notsci seems to be cruising for path of least resistance yeet today. Remember when I said scum would use Pooky's insta-challenge as a way to take no responsibility for their actions today? Notsci is like the epitomy of that. He said he's willing to hammer anyone. I also feel like he's not trying to solve. I don't have a case at the moment because I tend to just keep impressions of each player in my head, and then later if I feel super strongly someone is scum, I'll re-iso them to see if their posting matches up with the impression I have or not. More often than not, I get bad feelings about someone for a good reason.In post 739, Gamma Emerald wrote:
why?In post 712, VP Baltar wrote:I agree on notsci being scum most likely. I don't agree so much on cakez
too bad he's not on the table today and the flip today will affect your read of him on later days huh
ah yes, the "ignore scummy behavior" tacticGamma Emerald wrote:Imo a lot of people are doing this lazy "it's scummy so it's gotta come from scum" way of reading things
that old chestnut-
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okay, so that's a big ol jumble of words. let me see if I can tease this out into discrete points. I'm gonna ignore the stuff I didn't ask for. I'm not really trying to argue against anything Gamma is saying, I'm just trying to translate this into something I have an easier time parsing.
-VP has been saying that Pooky is anti-town because an early challenge stifled discussion. However, you should be able to get behavioral tells off of the other players so this point is moot.In post 753, Gamma Emerald wrote:VP has been railing Pooky for the challenge being anti-town but I feel like anyone who actually tries to read the non-challenge members based on their handling of the challenge should be able to form reads just fine.
-VP is manipulating noraa to attack Gamma and Pooky in a way that Gamma does not specify. Additionally, it was scummy to say that Pooky and Gamma were being sexist because they weren't being sexist. Saying it was sexist is an attempt at misrepresenting what they were saying for advantage in the game, also it is just a bad thing to do on a personal level.I also think he used an emotional weak point of Noraa's to sic her on me and Pooky, and when called out he tried to act like we were being sexist when really it would look the sameregardless of the gender roles, and I honestly think trying to make it out to be something it's not like that is just, scummy both in the context of the game and just as a general principle.
-VP has said that Gamma has agreed with everything Pooky says. Gamma thinks Pooky has good takes, but has not agreed with everything Pooky said so this is misrep.I also dislike his allegation that I've blanket agreed with Pooky, yes I think Pooky's takes are sound but I have my own thoughts that at this point I feel I've been pretty vocal about, so that's a rather solid misrep atp.
-VP is saying "scummy = scum", which other people are doing as well.He's also among the party currently doing the "scummy = scum" fallacy with his reasons for voting Noraa recently. Like, If Noraa is being weird, you shouldtry to sort her, not take it as scum behavior immediately.
-VP seems like he's doing post-hoc justification regarding noraa. Pooky has pointed this out.That goes back to Pooky's issue regarding VP's initial trust of Noraa despite getting snowed by her. The general trend of VP's play around Noraa is he's acting on things without doing the necessarey legwork to validate his opinions, which seems like scum who has the answers already.
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a. Gamma feels that VP is misrepping him
b. Gamma feels that VP is acting inconsistently towards noraa
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In post 859, Noraa wrote:
The main problem is that im certain Notsci is scum so therefore, this post sounds scummy.In post 853, Gamma Emerald wrote:
"not gonna lie" is just a way of saying "honestly"In post 850, Noraa wrote:
why is ur default to lie about notsci?In post 842, Untrod Tripod wrote:Notscience I'm not gonna lie that last series of posts was fucking terrible
so while it's trite, it's not like you're making it out to be-
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aww thanks. maybe we will somedayIn post 862, notscience wrote:I mean i would like to eventually draw scum with ut he seems like a cool scum buddy-
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a close reader would note that I specifically said my read was super weak and therefore uselessIn post 876, Gamma Emerald wrote:both Reck and UT have said "I scumread VP but can't explain why" now
whereas Reck has said his read is strong
and also I haven't pushed on VP, and I said that a while ago
and etc and etc
anyway VP is the person I am the least likely to want to yeet today-
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In post 877, Untrod Tripod wrote:VP is the person I am the least likely to want to yeet todayIn post 877, Untrod Tripod wrote:VP is the person I am the least likely to want to yeet todayIn post 877, Untrod Tripod wrote:VP is the person I am the least likely to want to yeet todayIn post 877, Untrod Tripod wrote:VP is the person I am the least likely to want to yeet todayIn post 877, Untrod Tripod wrote:VP is the person I am the least likely to want to yeet todayIn post 877, Untrod Tripod wrote:VP is the person I am the least likely to want to yeet todayIn post 877, Untrod Tripod wrote:VP is the person I am the least likely to want to yeet todayIn post 877, Untrod Tripod wrote:VP is the person I am the least likely to want to yeet todayIn post 877, Untrod Tripod wrote:VP is the person I am the least likely to want to yeet todayIn post 877, Untrod Tripod wrote:VP is the person I am the least likely to want to yeet todayIn post 877, Untrod Tripod wrote:VP is the person I am the least likely to want to yeet todayIn post 877, Untrod Tripod wrote:VP is the person I am the least likely to want to yeet todayIn post 877, Untrod Tripod wrote:VP is the person I am the least likely to want to yeet todayIn post 877, Untrod Tripod wrote:VP is the person I am the least likely to want to yeet todayIn post 877, Untrod Tripod wrote:VP is the person I am the least likely to want to yeet todayIn post 877, Untrod Tripod wrote:VP is the person I am the least likely to want to yeet todayIn post 877, Untrod Tripod wrote:VP is the person I am the least likely to want to yeet todayIn post 877, Untrod Tripod wrote:VP is the person I am the least likely to want to yeet todayIn post 877, Untrod Tripod wrote:VP is the person I am the least likely to want to yeet todayIn post 877, Untrod Tripod wrote:VP is the person I am the least likely to want to yeet todayIn post 877, Untrod Tripod wrote:VP is the person I am the least likely to want to yeet todayIn post 877, Untrod Tripod wrote:VP is the person I am the least likely to want to yeet todayIn post 877, Untrod Tripod wrote:VP is the person I am the least likely to want to yeet todayIn post 877, Untrod Tripod wrote:VP is the person I am the least likely to want to yeet todayIn post 877, Untrod Tripod wrote:VP is the person I am the least likely to want to yeet todayIn post 877, Untrod Tripod wrote:VP is the person I am the least likely to want to yeet todayIn post 877, Untrod Tripod wrote:VP is the person I am the least likely to want to yeet today-
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it's not. we haven't talked a whole bunch in the PT. he hasn't really tried to push me much on it even though I asked him to. I don't really think it'd be right for me to post what he said in the PT so I'll leave that to him if he wants to.In post 883, The Bulge wrote:In post 873, The Bulge wrote:
UT, assuming you've heard more about this than we have, any thoughts?In post 772, xRECKONERx wrote:i mean my secret dunk scumread is vpb but there's not enough there for me to push it publicly so i haven't been@UT-
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what this is saying was that because I could not articulate reasons, the read was useless to me at that time. regardless, much has happened since then.In post 455, Untrod Tripod wrote:VP I think is scummy for reasons I can't articulate, so that read is weak and useless to me at the moment
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"everyone must do things exactly the way I do them, and come to the same conclusions that I come to, or they are not even trying"In post 904, Gamma Emerald wrote:would it not do to shore that read up though? It's the same issue I brought up regarding baltar where the solving is not present imo
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Lillith, why aren't you voting?
Cakez, why the Gamma vote?
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a. why would you assume that autochallenge would happen?In post 909, VP Baltar wrote:I don't read Cakez as scum at all right now and she seems keyed up to auto challenge him.
b. Cakez getting yeeted there is the least likely outcome so why are you assuming it matters in terms of Cakez being on the table? that doesn't really make sense as the detail to focus on, imo.
has the conversation completely broken down? I thought you were super duper PT best friendsIn post 909, VP Baltar wrote:I'm pretty bugged out by the way she acted toward me in the PT
so what your issue boils down to here is that Gamma made an effort post, then made a utilitarian vote? idgi. that tracks, for me.In post 909, VP Baltar wrote:On Gamma, I've expressed previously why I thought he was scummy. His big ass post did give me some pause. It felt like he was genuinely trying to work through things, and his conclusion was I'm the best yeet today. Ok, fine. But then he votes pooky because he doesn't think he can get the votes on me? That's kind of weird from my perspective. I wouldn't think pooky is any more likely than me today, if I'm just trying to broadly read the game state. So, he is saying he has such a strong town read on noraa that Pooky and I are essentially equitable outcomes, and he'll support whoever is more likely? Idk, the whole thing feels kind of like contrived reasoning.-
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*gestures vaguely in the direction of the concept that people tend to like people who act like they do*In post 915, VP Baltar wrote:I don't understand townreading noraa over pooky here-
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oh, no. the line was supposed to indicate that it was an unrelated thought.In post 917, lilith2013 wrote:Was this meant to be a rhetorical set of questions refuting gamma?
if you don't feel strongly about any eliminations in particular, at least why do you lean towards that one?
PEdit: lol, nevermind-
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I'm having a problem separating personality from alignment in this case so I'm not sureIn post 918, VP Baltar wrote:Do you feel gamma is town here?
at what point for you does the preponderance of weird/bad posts become scummy?In post 921, SirCakez wrote:you're so confibiased it's unreal
maybe instead of doing mental gymnastics to somehow confirm to yourself that I'm scum why not just look at the obvious and realize I'm not voting you because I'm not scum and I'm not scumreading you-
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if they read the last Hidden Temple game, the scum team would know that it's very beneficial in this setup to bus the absolute shit out of someone. at 8:4 it's pretty unlikely to get all misyeets, so preparing for and executing a bus when the time comes would be essential to make it to endgame as a team. a suicidal scum makes perfect sense to me as a person who has played scum in this setup.In post 925, SirCakez wrote:like if Noraa is scum here she's playing suicidal and it doesn't make any sense
I suppose you could make the argument that if it was a bus, why self-vote? one reason why scum would self-vote is it would allow fewer town to get credit for being on the wagon. seems less likely than what you're saying, town player who is melting down. the flurry of hide-saving posts could point to town.
however, it could also point to trying to throw as much false associatives out there as possible. that's what our bus-ee did in the last Hidden Temple game and it worked like a charm.
she plays like this all the time? jesus christ.In post 924, SirCakez wrote:
when I see actual scum motivation and not just Noraa's typical AtE biased flailIn post 922, Untrod Tripod wrote:at what point for you does the preponderance of weird/bad posts become scummy?
what I'm hearing from you is that you think I'm reaching for misyeet bait. fair enough argument against, I just don't agree.
how in the heck could the post you quoted possibly mean that?In post 926, Noraa wrote:In post 916, Untrod Tripod wrote:
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I don't understand townreading noraa over pooky here
*gestures vaguely in the direction of the concept that people tend to like people who act like they do*
wat so u TR me now?
meta is trashIn post 928, Noraa wrote:
Town!cake doesn't act this calm and composed. It just doesn't happen.In post 921, SirCakez wrote:you're so confibiased it's unreal
maybe instead of doing mental gymnastics to somehow confirm to yourself that I'm scum why not just look at the obvious and realize I'm not voting you because I'm not scum and I'm not scumreading you
I am not a meta expert but when someone is far out of their town range, I can see it.
In post 936, SirCakez wrote:Your one game of (bad) evidence is making you 100% sure I'm scum?Noraa wrote:Soul reads work like that.
lolNoraa wrote:they don't need much evidence. After all they are entirely based on feeling/vibes.
well shit, that settles it I guess. she's so sure of herself that she came up with an extra special name for it. that means it's even realer and the entire classroom starts applauding and the teacher cancels the rest of class.-
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okay but I don't think it's gonna happenIn post 943, AGar wrote:Of the four, I find Gamma's sustained behavior most likely to come from scum
isn't it wild how some of the people actually up for yeeting today want us to spend all of our time talking about people we can't yeet, our reads on whom will depend on today's flip?
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oh damn. glad I have you here to teach me how to play mafia.In post 1016, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I don’t wanna go full “ok boomer” but damn do y’all have no long-term game sense rnIn post 1014, xRECKONERx wrote:why are you expending so much energy on starbuck when she's not even on the table for today-
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nah whippersnapper, us stupid old people are sundowning so don't bother trying to bring us up to you, you're clearly operating on a level none of us could even understandIn post 1024, Gamma Emerald wrote:I get that’s sarcastic but maybe I actually do need to teach you seeing as y’all aren’t doing anything to actually make this challenge not-a-waste and then trying to kill Pooky for creating a problem that really just lies on your shoulders
it's like that thing in anime where someone jiggles their hand on a sword hilt and everyone dies
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I'm honestly not sure. Cakez, AGar, and Pooky are behaving the way I would expect scum to in a normal game, which is to say casting shade at Noraa without actually committing to the vote. I kind of think scum is largely standing around twiddling their thumbs waiting for other people to do things. I don't understand how she didn't get hammered at L-1 regardless of her alignment, which leads me to believe that scum has 2-3 people that misunderstands how the town is going to react to whatever the flip is. I'm not gonna list who my personal read on who that would be since it would just come off as insulting.In post 986, lilith2013 wrote:UT, who do you think scum!Noraa is being bussed by?
I guess basically what I'm saying is I'm still kind of baffled by the fact that the yeet didn't hammered because that throws of my perception of who scum could be in this pool because they're playing in a way I don't know how to analyze yet-
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I have not done this. I am one of the only people in this game who has not done this. My ISO is not very long and my posts are very easy to read, so the reading comprehension issue is on you.In post 1033, Gamma Emerald wrote:but you’ve certainly raised a lot of hell about how much this situation sucks so that makes you the people I feel like arguing with about it.-
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Okay, everyone else:
what more do you need to know about the people on the board? can we just finish this and move on.
Here's an idea: let's post a list in order of preference for these four and then just do whatever wins by preferential voting. This game day is fucking tedious and there's no new information to glean.
1 > most want to yeet
4 > least want to yeet
1. noraa
2. Gamma
3. Pooky
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this is more or less a working definition of "casting shade", yesIn post 1046, SirCakez wrote:I said 1000000 times that I am not SRing Noraa but her push on me is terrible and I cannot ignore that-
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my momma always told me if I didn't have anything nice to say I shouldn't say anything at allIn post 1052, AGar wrote:What convinces you Gamma *shouldn't* eat the yeet?-
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his read on what was going on yesterday was better than mine so I think he probably has a better handle on what's going on than I do
the high degree of confidence he had in his read(s) could be because he's scum, but I'm choosing to believe that it's because he has better reads than I do at this time-
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