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oooh page 1 challenge? I’m here for it-
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Gamma, if you think the current elim pool may be all town, why didn’t you try to stop pooky from challenging?-
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town!pooky, the 3-4 times I’ve seen, has always tried to be logical and reasonable and I see none of that here-
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actually 208 was okay but I don’t see noraa or pooky as obvtown-
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you were literally in one of the games I’m talking about
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Why were you okay with your partner issuing a challenge on people you hadn’t yet formed reads on, then?-
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pooky’s posting looks more like what I’d expect from town!him (when he was talking about how VP was pushing him, that felt like him screaming about datisi in micro 960). I feel like I’m pretty meh about the rest of the pool. It’s hard to pin gamma and noraa because I feel like the majority of my impression of their posting is yelling at each other and I don’t think their argument should be considered AI particularly. I don’t have a good grasp on how they’re approaching the game.
How well do Noraa and VP know each other? They both seem very trusting of the other when I think town would be more suspicious/paranoid of early mutual townreads. Noraa is suspicious of gamma townreading her (a trait I generally consider towny), but why isn’t she paranoid of VP?
also just an apology, work is a hot mess. I’m trying to majorly limit screen time (ie visit ms like once per day) because my eyes are screaming for mercy. I have like... 5 more hours of work left and then can try to pop back in, but this is basically how it’s going to be for the foreseeable future.-
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I think I probably would’ve challenged noraa/vp if pooky hadn’t, but I can’t tell if that’s just because they’re who I’m thinking about already, like reck kinda said it’s hard not to focus on the pool once the challenge is out there
pooky, did you ever explain why you challenged noraa in particular? Was there a reason beyond memeing?-
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I don’t think using a pt is anti-town particularly, it’s not any more anti-town than challenging on page 3?-
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What about 147 and 232 was towny?In post 519, AGar wrote:Townlean Noraa. (posts like 147, 232). I don't love the reasoning for townPooky she gives in 236 and still want a follow up on why, but I don't find that scummy.-
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I thought you were townreading noraa, what changed?In post 635, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:like can someone explain to me how 615 makes any sense whatsoever from a town POV?
Why would Gamma!scum who is the leading vote-getter and in a semi-gladiate decide to hurl a bunch of SRs around... as scum? Is he trying to get himself yeeted off the face of the planet? Is it some weird wifom trick?
When is too many SRs even a scumtell? Which of his SRs do you disagree with? What part of his reasoning do you disagree with? Instead it's just "too many SRs must be bad" like whaaaat?!-
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.. don't really get the scumreads on cakes. Is noraa calling him scum because he's not scummy enough? What is this logic?-
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ftr I think scum!cakes would probably be trying to pocket me in PT and he isn't trying at all-
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VP, why are you voting gamma right now?-
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I guess really what I want to ask is how strong of a townread did you have on her before?In post 673, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
um it's literally in the post you are quoting. 615 is scummy to me.In post 669, lilith2013 wrote:I thought you were townreading noraa, what changed?
That’s why I asked him that question. I also couldn’t find posts explaining a scumread on gamma so like why was he voting gamma over noraa at that point?I'm thinking about moving my vote over but I want to see how baltar reacts.
right now he's saying it's scummy but he's still voting for gamma? that's kind of weird?-
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Did this all happen before or after 666?In post 674, VP Baltar wrote:
Ill answer this one since it's the most current, but this also gets at lillith's question.In post 673, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:right now he's saying it's scummy but he's still voting for gamma? that's kind of weird?
So last night after noraa posted that, I asked her in the PT to explain because I wanted to give her a chance to talk it out without the pressure of the full game coming down.
I asked essentially "why did you make that post?"
She said initially it was kind of a shit post she didn't think through, but then added some defense of it.
I said, it seems pretty scummy to say you'd be willing to yeet anyone in the lim pool who isn't you. And she then said she didn't care, that's how she felt and that she didn't trust me.
That's why I posted last night that she was being weirdly defensive.
I didn't really have scum vibes from Noraa's posts before this, but I'd be willing to yeet her now. To immediately turn a private chance to explain your actions without judgement into a super defensive attack doesn't feel like a town mindset to me.
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Re: gamma - I still don't have a town read on him and I'm slightly worried noraa is flailing and it is helping take pressure off a scum, but her actions are super weird here.-
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Noraa, why does this post make you townread gamma?In post 648, Noraa wrote:
Oh how my reads change.In post 647, Gamma Emerald wrote:I wouldn't word it the same but I agree with the vibe of how Noraa is perceiving Cakez
I won't call myself good at reading Cakez but he has patterns of behavior I'm not sure he's entirely aware of and able to control yet.
TR gamma.
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Noraa can you please answer this and then explain why you’re now saying gamma is scum again?In post 677, lilith2013 wrote:
Noraa, why does this post make you townread gamma?In post 648, Noraa wrote:
Oh how my reads change.In post 647, Gamma Emerald wrote:I wouldn't word it the same but I agree with the vibe of how Noraa is perceiving Cakez
I won't call myself good at reading Cakez but he has patterns of behavior I'm not sure he's entirely aware of and able to control yet.
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Can you explain what you mean by absent? Is this similar to the comment you made about me in zoey’s? (And like yes clearly I haven’t posted much and explained why)In post 689, SirCakez wrote:
this reminds me that lilith has felt weirdly absent this game? which would normally be a bad sign for me but I'm not how much of this is IRL stuffIn post 670, lilith2013 wrote:.. don't really get the scumreads on cakes. Is noraa calling him scum because he's not scummy enough? What is this logic?-
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I’m planning on rereading gamma in the context of VP’s points against him but have to do work so hopefully later today
Also I reeeeeally don’t like noraa’s posts being like “this is why the other people in the pool are scummier than me” but not actually scumreading any of them-
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Was this meant to be a rhetorical set of questions refuting gamma?In post 906, Untrod Tripod wrote:
"everyone must do things exactly the way I do them, and come to the same conclusions that I come to, or they are not even trying"In post 904, Gamma Emerald wrote:would it not do to shore that read up though? It's the same issue I brought up regarding baltar where the solving is not present imo
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VP, why aren't you voting?
Lillith, why aren't you voting?
Cakez, why the Gamma vote?
Pooky, why are you still on VP?
AGar, why the Gamma vote?
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??? Here’s the post you made:In post 755, Noraa wrote:
Oh I SRed all three of them at the time that I made that post.In post 731, lilith2013 wrote:I’m planning on rereading gamma in the context of VP’s points against him but have to do work so hopefully later today
Also I reeeeeally don’t like noraa’s posts being like “this is why the other people in the pool are scummier than me” but not actually scumreading any of them
which implies that you didn’t have a firm scumread onIn post 714, Noraa wrote:In the current bracket, im not sure who is scum or if there even is scum.anyof them, let alone all of them, and now you’re trying to make it seem like that post saying you’d vote anyone wasn’t sketchy af-
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UT, who do you think scum!Noraa is being bussed by?-
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Ugh
have some thoughts but might be best suited for post-game.
I was tinfoiling UT bussing noraa because no one else was super strongly pushing her which a partner would want to if the plan was to bus noraa, but she flipped town so that’s a bit of a moot point. tbh I think we should be looking at people who were townreading noraa because she didn’t seem town-motivated to me at all. For example, Agar called noraa towny for her argument with gamma when they were getting equally emotional and imo the argument should have been NAI for both sides, and as a result of that basically crossed her off his elimination list. What difference were you seeing there that made you think noraa was town but not gamma? (@agar)-
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is this not referring to her posts during her argument with gamma?In post 1101, AGar wrote:I townread noraa based off of tone/motivation. I said nothing about her side of the argument being towny, and I also already told you exactly what I did find town about her early in the game, none of which had to do with her argument. I thought the argument was dumb and toxic, but I thought the thing that sparked it - GE's whinging over her reaction to atownread- was drawing at straws to try and just be saying something about the four up for the yeet. Everything after the initial volley of posts was pretty unindicative of anything, with a slight undertone of "GE is still protesting this way too much," and didn't really color my reads at all.
If you didn't mean that her posts were towny, then what about "the whole exchange" was towny to you?In post 426, AGar wrote:At this point I lean a decent bit town on Noraa based on the whole exchange, and Gamma's insistence on the townread to the point of a self-vote feels very fucking weird.
Your repeated "Noraa's posts haven't been that great" but hand-waving it away as "chalking up to frustration" also seem pretty TMI in retrospect.-
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If you thought all four were town, why did it matter whether you hammered?In post 1145, notscience wrote:And yeah, I didn’t go “yes this guy is town but he’s an asshole who was anti town so elim him” because I have zero desire to try and confidently shove a miselim. Look at me yesterday- I was originally content to hammer anyone but after I realized it was four town I couldn’t bring myself to hammer her. I lead elims on scum, not on town.-
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sorry life explodedIn post 1168, SirCakez wrote:lilith told me she would work reads with me but she hasn't-
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agar is my first choice from the pool, I still think his noraa read was very unnatural-
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you asked for a bullet point case, that was my one sentence TLDR. Do I think other things he’s said/done have also been scummy? yeah, but writing a full-blown thing would take more brain energy than I have. I can attempt it at some point but I ended up not being able to take vacation this week/worked over the weekend, so not a super priority for me since agar seems to be getting pushed plenty already.In post 1206, VP Baltar wrote:
That is your full reason for suspecting him?In post 1204, lilith2013 wrote:agar is my first choice from the pool, I still think his noraa read was very unnatural-
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l o lIn post 1208, AGar wrote:@VPB I'd give you bullet points, but there's not enough between the four of us to really do that. Cakez's iso is just floating shit out softly and abandoning things that don't take. Starbuck is... a player? Haven't used our PT for much beyond some memes and shenanigans. Partially on me, as I stupidly forgot "no scum nightkill" means "no night phase" and was looking forward to a brief respite from this thread to organize thoughts and try to engage 1-on-1.
I most want to yeet Lillith. Her prodding feels artificial, she seems like she's just latching on to wanting to yeet me so as not to have to engage with Cakez, and her ISO is mostly just globbing on to whatever seems to be something she can echo at the time.
loving the shade on the rest of the pool
btw this is blatantly false, I’m the only one who questioned you about your noraa townread, so not only was it something that people weren’t talking about at the time in the thread, but it’s clearly an independent train of thought from me altogether.-
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In post 1222, VP Baltar wrote:
That was not my interpretation of what he said, but if that is true, it is an incredibly lame point to make. Not do I think it is even true necessarily.In post 1221, notscience wrote:You’re talking about UT questioning Agars easy push are you not?
I don’t like vp’s response to this conversation with notsci. not sure exactly what about it feels off but I almost feel like his intention was never to actually engage on whether agar pushing me was easy (which it is, because I think I have the lowest number of posts out of the remaining 3) but rather just to make UT look badIn post 1224, VP Baltar wrote:
LolIn post 1223, notscience wrote:Cakez has been working on his case, we’ll get it about the time the vaccine is available to the general public
Anyhow, if you can't remember anything lillith has done, isn't that more scum indicative than anything? That's my entire problem with her.-
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Why would you expect agar to push cakes first?In post 1231, Gamma Emerald wrote:I feel like Lilith isn’t exactly a weak push, but the one I feel makes the least sense for him to push, I’d expect him to push Cakez over her, and maybe Starbuck-
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still want this VOTE: agar-
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Is this referring to me or agar?In post 1240, SirCakez wrote:Sometimes scummy people are just scum-
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Is it coincidence that you vote me only after I said something bad about you what’s the difference between me and agar, who’s also talked about reasons for not being in thread and who has fewer posts than me? Do you think he’s “contributed something substantial”?In post 1250, VP Baltar wrote:
VOTE: lillithIn post 1244, lilith2013 wrote:
you asked for a bullet point case, that was my one sentence TLDR. Do I think other things he’s said/done have also been scummy? yeah, but writing a full-blown thing would take more brain energy than I have. I can attempt it at some point but I ended up not being able to take vacation this week/worked over the weekend, so not a super priority for me since agar seems to be getting pushed plenty already.In post 1206, VP Baltar wrote:
That is your full reason for suspecting him?In post 1204, lilith2013 wrote:agar is my first choice from the pool, I still think his noraa read was very unnatural
You seem to make a lot of excuses. I asked for simple bullet points, you provided one weak ass reason and then say anything more than that is a "full blown thing."
I think you've had an entire game to contribute something substantial, and you're completely background. I believe you that work is busy, but there is a point where it just comes across as a lack of motivation because no one is forcing you to contribute: a scum mentality
Also, why did you say that I’m supposed to be a “good” player? We’ve had 0 games together, and your PT partner also had 0 prior games with me. Where does that impression of me come from?-
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Can you ELI5? Which of them are you calling active vs passive scum? By “goes” do you mean pushing or being wagoned?In post 1254, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Just personal belief. Active scum goes first, passive scum can go laterIn post 1247, lilith2013 wrote:
Why would you expect agar to push cakes first?In post 1231, Gamma Emerald wrote:I feel like Lilith isn’t exactly a weak push, but the one I feel makes the least sense for him to push, I’d expect him to push Cakez over her, and maybe Starbuck
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I already talked about why I think it was a TMI read, and he contradicted himself by saying he wasn’t actually townreading noraa for the thing he said he townread her for originally.In post 1255, Starbuck wrote:Quick catch up before I start deep diving ISOs.
What was unnatural about it?In post 1204, lilith2013 wrote:agar is my first choice from the pool, I still think his noraa read was very unnatural
Agar’s main point about me was that I was just pushing whatever was already being pushed in thread, which is literally not true. Why do you think he’s pushing me then, if it’s not because I’m the easiest of the remaining pool? I think he’s named me out of sheer survivalism.
Same could be said about those pushing AGar.In post 1210, Untrod Tripod wrote:this is a Bad Take, an Easy Yeet for Scum to Push and also Very Lazy
Alright then, please tell me what you think happened. From where I’m standing, it doesn’t seem like vp intended to ever entertain UT’s train of thought seriously.
That's quite a misrep of what happened.In post 1246, lilith2013 wrote:In post 1222, VP Baltar wrote:
That was not my interpretation of what he said, but if that is true, it is an incredibly lame point to make. Not do I think it is even true necessarily.In post 1221, notscience wrote:You’re talking about UT questioning Agars easy push are you not?
I don’t like vp’s response to this conversation with notsci. not sure exactly what about it feels off but I almost feel like his intention was never to actually engage on whether agar pushing me was easy (which it is, because I think I have the lowest number of posts out of the remaining 3) but rather just to make UT look badIn post 1224, VP Baltar wrote:
LolIn post 1223, notscience wrote:Cakez has been working on his case, we’ll get it about the time the vaccine is available to the general public
Anyhow, if you can't remember anything lillith has done, isn't that more scum indicative than anything? That's my entire problem with her.-
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Even in the context of why agar is scummy? I think you missed the point of the conversationIn post 1258, SirCakez wrote:
more agar but possibly youIn post 1249, lilith2013 wrote:
Is this referring to me or agar?In post 1240, SirCakez wrote:Sometimes scummy people are just scum
i'm just irked by by the people today saying someone is "too easy" to push-
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already addressed this, apparently baldfaced lies fly these daysIn post 1261, AGar wrote:
I have yet to see anything showing original thought or effort from Lillith.In post 1209, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Talk about this? I feel like lilith’s content has been decent at least, for what little she hadIn post 1208, AGar wrote:I most want to yeet Lillith. Her prodding feels artificial, she seems like she's just latching on to wanting to yeet me so as not to have to engage with Cakez, and her ISO is mostly just globbing on to whatever seems to be something she can echo at the time.
You made the fencesittiest post of all time that would allow you to pivot to literally anyone in the pool and with like 0 evidence of attempts to sort the people you were fencesitting on. Then you made up a reason to pick me as your favored elim.Ok Boomer Take #1: Providing observations on a set of players when asked is not "sussing" or "shading" all of those players just because it does not feature a fucking glowing "this person is town omg!" review. Jesus fucking christ, I literally said that one of the players is "a player". The other I provided a candid observation with no fucking indication of a lean. I literally said I wanted to yeet one player in that post. One. Not two, not three.... I swear to christ reading comprehension cannot be this difficult.
UT was basically saying that I am an easy push from your point of view. Why are you supporting that?
This. Is. Fucking. Stellar.In post 1223, notscience wrote:And honestly I struggle to remember what Lilith has done this game. Could just be on me, but I had no problem with UTs line of questioning there
Galaxy brain type shit.
out of the remaining three, yeah I think I would have been the easiest to push if scum!you is just trying to survive, which I think is what UT was saying.
Yes, the infamous "easy push" that has gotten all of *checks notes* 1 other vote and it would need 6 total. Marvelous play. I think y'all are confusing "easy push" with "push I don't like". Which, if y'all don't like it fine but say so and don't just hid behind "oh it's an easy push."In post 1230, notscience wrote:My point was and still is that it’s an easy push for agar to make. You’re saying she’s done stuff and I’m wrong- cool, whatever, I don’t remember it and am not really pushing the issue my main point is it’s a weak push from agar
I really don’t feel the need to restate things that everyone else has already said when I’m catching up, and there’s only so many things to talk about that haven’t already been talked aboutre:1245 See Boomer Take #1. Also your one point about questioning the townread is correct, and I misremembered exchanges with Notty post-Noraa/GE, but that's literally... *checks notes* your only contribution? Questioning a townread?
please provide examples of where you’ve contributed unique and new thoughts to this game-
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For wording’s sake, maybe “convenient push” is a better description than “easy” but I think the point still stands. I don’t think I would have objected so much if agar had said “Lilith is my top elim choice because she has low content,” but instead he like made up a reason which I think scum!agar has to do in order to try to push the elim away from himself. Like agar had a better chance of winning a 1v1 against me at daystart compared to starbuck and cakes based on content level. I’m kind of seeing what gamma’s saying too - why isn’t agar pushing cakes here, who he’s even noted has done scummy things?
In that vein I think this quote in hindsight seems like projection, because scum!agar has to push me in order to not have to get in a 1v1 with cakes:In post 1208, AGar wrote:she seems like she's just latching on to wanting to yeet me so as not to have to engage with Cakez-
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I think this is a better way of saying what I meant:In post 1269, lilith2013 wrote:it doesn’t seem like vp intended to ever entertain UT’s train of thought seriously.-
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VOTE: gammaIn post 1427, xRECKONERx wrote:what if i want to yeet all 3 of them?-
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I think a both-scum theory actually fits pretty well with gamma (and also vp to an extent? don't remember exactly) insisting that the pool was all town-
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I thought I recalled both of them saying that the pool was all town, which feels like a pretty easy out to not sort each other. Just went back through VP’s posts and he was actually doing some light shading at gamma towards the beginning of the day that didn’t really seem to go anywhere, then only joined the noraa wagon after she had turned on him and was being wagoned (and his desire for a gamma elim disappeared around the same time).In post 1458, The Bulge wrote:
welcome back. why does that implicate two scums instead of just one? you should try to remember your reasoning for vp and let's talk.In post 1456, lilith2013 wrote:I think a both-scum theory actually fits pretty well with gamma (and also vp to an extent? don't remember exactly) insisting that the pool was all town-
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see above - I found some posts that had some shade towards you but it was really not obvious to me then or during my review just now that he was scumreading you hard enough to vote you over noraa at that time. I’m not sure I even saw him mention you during the period he was calling noraa scummy, but he kept his vote on you for way longer than I would have expected from his postsIn post 1476, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Was this about VP? Because VP definitely put out a lot of stuff on me, though I can also see why you feel this way based on a post I'm working on covering whether people are looking for scummy behaviors or scum motivation, and VP trends hard towards the former.In post 675, lilith2013 wrote: That’s why I asked him that question. I also couldn’t find posts explaining a scumread on gamma so like why was he voting gamma over noraa at that point?-
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I think VP’s response to the agar wagon is equally as damning as gamma/agar interactions (like a show of resistance and then..... no defense of agar against cakes’ case), I think pooky is probably town for the lolchallenge but I don’t really care to have him in endgame or whatever it’s called now, I don’t really have a strong preference between gamma and VP being eliminated because they’re both probably scum. the end-
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wtf I literally said that same thing D2 and you called me scummy for it-
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This is gross, you said this while simultaneously shading gamma for wanting to elim VP. and this directly contradicts you supposedly scumreading meIn post 1827, SirCakez wrote:
I agree especially in light of Agar scum and lilith being the counterwagonIn post 1784, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
this post is like so badIn post 1250, VP Baltar wrote:
VOTE: lillithIn post 1244, lilith2013 wrote:
you asked for a bullet point case, that was my one sentence TLDR. Do I think other things he’s said/done have also been scummy? yeah, but writing a full-blown thing would take more brain energy than I have. I can attempt it at some point but I ended up not being able to take vacation this week/worked over the weekend, so not a super priority for me since agar seems to be getting pushed plenty already.In post 1206, VP Baltar wrote:
That is your full reason for suspecting him?In post 1204, lilith2013 wrote:agar is my first choice from the pool, I still think his noraa read was very unnatural
You seem to make a lot of excuses. I asked for simple bullet points, you provided one weak ass reason and then say anything more than that is a "full blown thing."
I think you've had an entire game to contribute something substantial, and you're completely background. I believe you that work is busy, but there is a point where it just comes across as a lack of motivation because no one is forcing you to contribute: a scum mentality-
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oh yeah it's totally a genuine read that cakes can explain that justifies instavoting me.. yepIn post 1902, SirCakez wrote:Notsci has the case here ask him-
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??? do you have a reason for voting me? at least other people on my wagon have given reasons (however shitty). I don't think you've even mentioned a read on me.In post 1953, The Bulge wrote:VOTE: lilith
need to read vpb's iso. cakez has seemed really town to me but that^ bullshit is fucking unreal and very +scum.-
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why are you only looking at people on noraa's wagon and not gamma's?In post 1963, SirCakez wrote:Lilith or Pooky bussed Agar
(Baltar, Koba, Bulge) off Agar wagon
^most of these people were on Noraa wagon
So this is looking like a decent scum pool to me
pedit: sure, will do a thing once I'm caught up-
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If you think I'm scum, then presumably you'd expect my partners to be trying to create a counterwagon and divert attention from me? Doesn't look like you've considered that at all thoughIn post 2000, SirCakez wrote:
Who are the people you'd expect to be moving here? Besides myselfIn post 1993, DkKoba wrote:lack of momentum towards bulge implies lilith is not scum btw-
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Agar's reaction to the noraa/gamma argument just felt like he had assigned a townread and a scumread to whoever, when imo both noraa and gamma had very similar reactions. I mean, sure, people aren't going to read others perfectly symmetrically, but that post stuck out to me because I didn't really feel like he articulated why one was town and not the other based on their argument. Then later, I thought I caught something that felt contradictory - he said originally that he townread noraa for her reaction to arguing with gamma; then he said that he didn't townread her for it; and since the original post had stuck in my mind, when he said the second thing later I had kind of a lightbulb moment. I don't think it mattered as much whether he was townreading noraa or not for that, but that he directly contradicted himself about his read on her. I have no idea if it was actually AI in hindsight/whether I just happened to be on a correct wagon for the wrong reason or whether that was actually a scummy thing I caught him doing.In post 2024, VP Baltar wrote:In post 1244, lilith2013 wrote:
you asked for a bullet point case, that was my one sentence TLDR. Do I think other things he’s said/done have also been scummy? yeah, but writing a full-blown thing would take more brain energy than I have. I can attempt it at some point but I ended up not being able to take vacation this week/worked over the weekend, so not a super priority for me since agar seems to be getting pushed plenty already.In post 1206, VP Baltar wrote:
That is your full reason for suspecting him?In post 1204, lilith2013 wrote:agar is my first choice from the pool, I still think his noraa read was very unnatural
Reading lillith (again), and I'm really trying to determine how genuine her gripes with Agar were. I still think it is kind of weird she scum read him extremely confidently because he said noraa looked townie for her flailing. I think several people felt noraa could have been town in that situation. At one point, lillith says it's because Agar town read norra for the flail fight, but not gamma. Which, ok, I could *maybe* see someone thinking that. But then again, that also presumes you read people perfectly symmetrically, which is rarely the case.
IDK, lillith just comes to a very strong conclusion on very scant evidence, imo. Doesn't mean she has to be scum there, but it bugged me then and it still bugs me more now as being possible TMI (which is what she accused Agar of, coincidentally).
I noticed on this reread that lillith hasn't hardly interacted with Cakez at all in thread. Lillith, what's your read on Cakez?
I gave cakes a pass early on, but I think it was because I felt guilty for not being in the pt/being a more active partner. He really doesn't seem to have made much attempt to sort me and then came out and instavoted me today and can't even give reasons for it/doesn't really seem to have put thought into that read. Also in retrospect, I think it's possible Agar was avoiding getting into a 1v1 with cakes because he didn't want two main wagons of the day being both on scum. With a gamma townflip, I think it's worth paying attention to gamma and noraa both scumreading him too.-
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shit I got distracted lol
with all of that said, I'm most down for a cakes elim today from the pool. you, bulge, and notsci are pretty null for me, pooky is probably town, I think ut and reck are town, so I think vp/cakes/{one of you/bulge/notsci} is the remaining team-
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dammit I didn’t even get to vote him!!
VOTE: cakes I’m on it in spirit (◕‸ ◕✿)-
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sorry audit season hit hard and also sick blah blah blah, I’ll try to be coherent later-
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