the worst alt confirmed.In post 31, notscience wrote:QUACK
Ok snake.In post 43, xRECKONERx wrote:i'm town af this game sorry bout it scumbags
the worst alt confirmed.In post 31, notscience wrote:QUACK
Ok snake.In post 43, xRECKONERx wrote:i'm town af this game sorry bout it scumbags
Why not? It's not actually as big of a gambit as people are making it out to be.In post 236, Noraa wrote:But yeah this play is a huge gambit if he is scum and I'm not sure scum!pooky willingly puts himself on the chopping block just like that.
In post 238, Gamma Emerald wrote:Just take the fucking townread goddamn it!!!!!!
These posts are weird. Gamma's entire reaction to Noraa pushing back on a townread is very weird.In post 239, Gamma Emerald wrote:You bitch and moan about how I read you wrong and yet when I townread you you attack me. And I find it ridiculous you think I can’t find you obvtown when you yourself boast about your towniness at every turn. You’re not genuinely interacting with me, you’re being contrarian!!!!!!!!
I mean this is a garbage concept, and thinking that not threadshitting means not posting at all is a hell of an equivalency.In post 421, Gamma Emerald wrote:In post 397, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:me gamma noraa baltar take a time out and let the other 8 people talk for a day or two ok?In post 394, Untrod Tripod wrote:Wild notion, but 46% of the posts this game are from noraa and gamma so how about the two of you chill out and let some other people talk instead of suffocating the game?
I'm down for that
Baltar Noraa Gamma?Let’s note MY pair was immediately willing to comply but VP and Noraa weren’t. I think that’s an indication of who REALLY cares about keeping traction in this situation.In post 408, Gamma Emerald wrote:I’ll try to avoid posting but I don’t want to get prodded
But yeah I’ll keep it down. I do kinda wanna have highest post count for the time I’m alive though.
The whole insistence that Noraa accept his Day 1 Page, like, 5? townread on her, like if she pushed back it invalidated that he felt she was town or something, and then getting very personal when it was pushed back on and it wasn't centered on the fact that she was scumreading him. It was a lot of words about someone not trusting a townread, which felt very off. At this point I lean a decent bit town on Noraa based on the whole exchange, and Gamma's insistence on the townread to the point of a self-vote feels very fucking weird.In post 424, notscience wrote:What didn’t you like about gammas reaction agar
Right, hence the "hey don't threadshit but also don't disappear."In post 442, Gamma Emerald wrote:3/4 of us have a large share of the posts though. Plus it would just be nice to hear everyone else’s thoughts for a change?
Oh? Off the drunk note to self or something more?In post 443, VP Baltar wrote:Here is a new take from me: I think Reck might be scum here. Tinfoil hat says he knows too much about gamma's alignment.
Townlean Noraa. (posts like 147, 232). I don't love the reasoning for townPooky she gives in 236 and still want a follow up on why, but I don't find that scummy.In post 479, Untrod Tripod wrote:SirCakez
lilith2013
Starbuck
AGar
xRECKONERx
notscience
The Bulge
^ this list of people
what are your reads on the players on the table right now? how about the 8 of us talk about this. we don't need to talk about anyone who you can't vote for today. that will clutter this up and distract. just the people on the table.
Not really right now. I will likely spew some shit in there later because I find the PT useful in spots generally.In post 509, VP Baltar wrote:How about this: how many people who are not in the challenge are using their PTs to talk about the game?
The same reason any neighborhood is worthwhile - you can discuss stuff in a limited one on one environment to bounce shit off of someone, a second set of eyes - you don't have to trust them 100% but it can help shit out. You can ask your partner their direct opinion on a topic to get a read on them. You can just work through thoughts. Plenty of people keep notes PTs. It's at worst a notes PT with another voice in there. Besides, if your partner is keeping secrets in the PT you feel should be shared with the town... you can just fucking share that info and put that badge on your partner.In post 515, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:2) Ok then propose a logical reason for why anyone would hide something in the PT that they are not sharing with the rest of us.
147 felt like a genuine, logical justification for using the PT, didn't feel feigned or too concerned. Would expect scum using their PT to more fervently defend their usage than just "Meh whatever, I feel like I'll be able to read them."In post 577, lilith2013 wrote:What about 147 and 232 was towny?In post 519, AGar wrote:Townlean Noraa. (posts like 147, 232). I don't love the reasoning for townPooky she gives in 236 and still want a follow up on why, but I don't find that scummy.
I put you at 5. Calm down.In post 591, Gamma Emerald wrote:Holy shit, way to only think about yourselves.
Wanna rank the four up to be yeeted of who you think is most likely to flip scum to who is least likely for me?In post 589, notscience wrote:Literally anyone if it puts this day out of its misery.
I've been imploring all four of you to give valuable content if you have it. Sorry you haven't bothered to read, scum.In post 594, Gamma Emerald wrote:I was giving the thread a chance to breathe, sorry you didn’t get the memo scum.
I mean either it's a slip or it's fabricated. Don't straddle a fence there. You can't "force" a legitimate slip.In post 888, Noraa wrote:u really think 4 entire people didn't read the OP?In post 887, The Bulge wrote:because?
I do think it was a forced town slip.
Reck and who? You keep saying this and I'm assuming you mean UT and UT has repeatedly said he doesn't?In post 894, Gamma Emerald wrote:Also, to go back to why I'm voting Pooky, we have 2 people not wanting to vote VP despite finding him suspicious. As such I now have to get 7/9 people to vote there, with multiple having expressed disinterest there outside the UT/Reck pair as well iirc. So like, it's not fucking happening, on a mathematical level.
idk saying a read is "weak, and therefore useless" to me reads that the person doesn't have convictions in that read so it's not really a solid read.In post 899, Gamma Emerald wrote:He says it's "weak, and therefore useless"
I disagree with that sentiment, but he essentially is unwilling to vote VP despite having scum feelings from him
Honestly thinking about it UT's perspective here reeks of scum motivation, he's not scumhunting, just pushing people who look bad
It does not strike me as odd. It's Day 1. He clearly doesn't see it as a priority.In post 904, Gamma Emerald wrote:would it not do to shore that read up though? It's the same issue I brought up regarding baltar where the solving is not present imo
Of the four, I find Gamma's sustained behavior most likely to come from scum. I could see an argument for Pooky gambitting with the autochallenge, but the followup hasn't given me those vibes. VPB has been, to me, the most logically consistent all throughout. Noraa I still get townvibes from overall. Haven't loved recent posting, but most of it I can chalk up to some level of frustration. A little concerned about VPB's statement of inconsistencies between PT and this thread, and there's been some recent alarm bells, but I'm not close to switching.In post 906, Untrod Tripod wrote:AGar, why the Gamma vote?
I loathe this post. I hate the intentional misconstruing of 909, and the attempt at a solve that follows.In post 911, Noraa wrote:Kinda rude for u to say that. ur basically just justifying a vote on me as a Pl and *assuming* all 4 are town.In post 909, VP Baltar wrote:My gut says gamma is more scummy overall, but if we do have a four town situation, I think Noraa is less utility because I don't read Cakez as scum at all right now and she seems keyed up to auto challenge him.
Ur like gamma is scummier but Noraa is more negative utility to town. Hence justifying ur vote on both largest wagons of the day.
Maybe I can see
Vp/Notsci/Cake/__
What convinces you Gamma *shouldn't* eat the yeet?In post 946, Untrod Tripod wrote:okay but I don't think it's gonna happenIn post 943, AGar wrote:Of the four, I find Gamma's sustained behavior most likely to come from scum
For just a short drive down to St. Yeet, you too could have some of these delicious cookies.In post 1011, Starbuck wrote:If you're not sharing, this picture means nothing to me.
Feels like you could've pushed harder on this than "oh let's just yeet any of these four IDGAF"In post 1059, notscience wrote:Just checking in to remind everyone that Noraa is town and we should vote out the guy who put us in a four town lolchallenge thanks
This feels like an odd turn from yesterday where you felt fairly confident and willing to take a driver's seat. You had one wrong read and you're willing to do a complete 180?In post 1080, Untrod Tripod wrote:his read on what was going on yesterday was better than mine so I think he probably has a better handle on what's going on than I do
the high degree of confidence he had in his read(s) could be because he's scum, but I'm choosing to believe that it's because he has better reads than I do at this time
Por que no?In post 1093, The Bulge wrote:I don't think I'd want to see the iguanas in another challenge. definitely not any time soon.
I townread noraa based off of tone/motivation. I said nothing about her side of the argument being towny, and I also already told you exactly what I did find town about her early in the game, none of which had to do with her argument. I thought the argument was dumb and toxic, but I thought the thing that sparked it - GE's whinging over her reaction to aIn post 1100, lilith2013 wrote:For example, Agar called noraa towny for her argument with gamma when they were getting equally emotional and imo the argument should have been NAI for both sides, and as a result of that basically crossed her off his elimination list. What difference were you seeing there that made you think noraa was town but not gamma? (@agar)
Yes but you decided to not even put any effort into "they're all town but we should yeet Pooky because of this dumb challenge" because... why? Like you voted him and you traded barbs, but you waited until right before the self-hammer to actually appeal to anyone else that we should yeet Pooky.In post 1105, notscience wrote:agar I literally was saying for days it was four town. Several people scum read me for it.
ANd at first I was frustrated I had no time to think. Then i started towmreadimg all of them and got annoyed
So how did you come about on Pooky and VPB likely being town? Since you singled out GE and Noraa were meta reads?In post 1114, notscience wrote:The best way to explain it is pretend I’m a vegan
I know me telling people to become a vegan because they’re killing animals and I’m so great will get me nowhere
So I don’t
Ninja-
I don’t know Lilith or starbuck
I know you three will shoot it down
Bulge will half listen bc he is used to me but agrees with you three
Cakez? Meh. I haven’t interacted with him much in any capacity
And the rest were directly involved in it all.
I'm sorry hwat?In post 1122, notscience wrote:@Agar- anti town more likely comes from town for Pooky
What benefit do you see to scum angling to push a four-town mindset if there's a scumbag in there?In post 1123, SirCakez wrote:the four town argument I think is wrongIn post 1121, notscience wrote:...In post 1119, SirCakez wrote:mmm I don't think soIn post 1105, notscience wrote:agar I literally was saying for days it was four town. Several people scum read me for it.
ANd at first I was frustrated I had no time to think. Then i started towmreadimg all of them and got annoyed
Go on?
Imagine misreading the room this bad.In post 1137, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:i thought people were tired of me posting shit and wanted me to shut up tbhIn post 1126, VP Baltar wrote:Also, why say that about me, but not pooky, who I don't think has even posted any content this phase?
Chastising Pooky about his play isn't not shirking responsibility though. You did fuckall to try and at least move the town towards the player you felt was acting most detrimental, if you truly feel all four in the pool were town, and you've hid behind "Well like three of you would've for sure shot me down because I townread two players because of meta" which is a charmin level defense for not making any real attempt to even sell anyone on Pookie.In post 1128, notscience wrote:Show me where I’m shirking responsibility for it and not chastising Pooky.
Nah.In post 1143, xRECKONERx wrote:agar are you scum bro
The counter point is it's a pretty low reward play (you might keep one of your scumbuddies out of a yeet pool for a bit, you maybe get a bit of towncred) with a lot of opportunity to backfire if one of them flips scum and is linked back to the person pushing it and even if they aren't they lose any potential gains as soon as that one flips. Unless you think notty's mild attempts to persuade others that all four were town will prevent any of them from ending up back in a challenge. I don't see it as a good play from Notty to try and save a scumbuddy there.In post 1144, SirCakez wrote:this seems really obvious no?In post 1142, AGar wrote:What benefit do you see to scum angling to push a four-town mindset if there's a scumbag in there?
plant the idea of scum as town
like scum 101
What is this specifically in regards to? I'm actually not following here. If this is in response to my "hwat" comment, I want to know why you think Pookie's anti-town actions are a town indicator for him. This doesn't seem to really help with that unless I'm missing something.In post 1145, notscience wrote:Agar we had two separate players in the pool talk about auto challenging.
If you think all four are town, and those are the only four up for a yeet, you should be angling to actually get the one you suspect is most dangerous to get yeeted, not hide behind "I lead elims on scum, not town" and "no one would listen to me because meta."In post 1145, notscience wrote:And yeah, I didn’t go “yes this guy is town but he’s an asshole who was anti town so elim him” because I have zero desire to try and confidently shove a miselim. Look at me yesterday- I was originally content to hammer anyone but after I realized it was four town I couldn’t bring myself to hammer her. I lead elims on scum, not on town.
Nah, but I've also been operating under the assumption that one of Cakez/Notty is gonna challenge me. I'd prefer Notty or GE in the arena to tango with.In post 1165, VP Baltar wrote:AGar, you already say today who you think should be in the challenge arena?
This feels like a weaker justification, but ok.In post 1167, SirCakez wrote:but it gives him a pass to not have to busIn post 1148, AGar wrote:The counter point is it's a pretty low reward play (you might keep one of your scumbuddies out of a yeet pool for a bit, you maybe get a bit of towncred) with a lot of opportunity to backfire if one of them flips scum and is linked back to the person pushing it and even if they aren't they lose any potential gains as soon as that one flips. Unless you think notty's mild attempts to persuade others that all four were town will prevent any of them from ending up back in a challenge. I don't see it as a good play from Notty to try and save a scumbuddy there.
I mean, people have wanted me in the spotlight so I'm fine with that. Like I said, bringing in Notty or GE would be preferable to me.In post 1174, VP Baltar wrote:We all have control over this.In post 1172, AGar wrote:Nah, but I've also been operating under the assumption that one of Cakez/Notty is gonna challenge me. I'd prefer Notty or GE in the arena to tango with.
Mostly null rn due to a lack of real interaction. Her latest stuff has been probing at me, trying to get a handle on intention there.In post 1176, VP Baltar wrote:What do you think of lillith Agar?
That was more of a vibe off of the way GE approached it - didn't feel like scum theater, but his posting gave me all sorts of vibes of "This ain't right." Felt like he was trying to use her to springboard some activity for himself that was not committed to getting his hands dirty with a misyeet but also he knew it was someone who would take bait on bickering.In post 1177, lilith2013 wrote:is this not referring to her posts during her argument with gamma?In post 1101, AGar wrote:I townread noraa based off of tone/motivation. I said nothing about her side of the argument being towny, and I also already told you exactly what I did find town about her early in the game, none of which had to do with her argument. I thought the argument was dumb and toxic, but I thought the thing that sparked it - GE's whinging over her reaction to atownread- was drawing at straws to try and just be saying something about the four up for the yeet. Everything after the initial volley of posts was pretty unindicative of anything, with a slight undertone of "GE is still protesting this way too much," and didn't really color my reads at all.If you didn't mean that her posts were towny, then what about "the whole exchange" was towny to you?In post 426, AGar wrote:At this point I lean a decent bit town on Noraa based on the whole exchange, and Gamma's insistence on the townread to the point of a self-vote feels very fucking weird.
I said once, late in the day phase where the game had stalled out, that I didn't love her recent posting, and chalked it up to frustration based on the fact that I could see the mindset. I had the townread prior - the frustration assumption was based on the fact that none of those posts swayed me enough to shift to a scumread.In post 1177, lilith2013 wrote:Your repeated "Noraa's posts haven't been that great" but hand-waving it away as "chalking up to frustration" also seem pretty TMI in retrospect.
And I'd like a job that wasn't trying to crush my soul and didn't have me working until 10 PM last night but I'll just keep on wishing.In post 1185, VP Baltar wrote:I'd like to hear from each of the four about who should be yeeted and the bullet point case supporting that.
Just because those two are back in it doesn't mean it also has to be VPB. Putting them up against another team where you suspect there to be scum could be a way of gleaning who's gonna fall where, but it's not that big of a deal for me.In post 1192, The Bulge wrote:what would we learn? if they show up in a later challenge then so be it, great if there's scum there. but there is a whole team to find and we have already had a tonne of analyzable content from those two slots, so no I don't think that would have been smart townplay in the least bit.In post 1101, AGar wrote:Por que no?In post 1093, The Bulge wrote:I don't think I'd want to see the iguanas in another challenge. definitely not any time soon.
[whisper]he doesn't really have one[/whisper]In post 1198, VP Baltar wrote:Cakez, hit me with that speed reader AGar case.
I have yet to see anything showing original thought or effort from Lillith.In post 1209, Gamma Emerald wrote:Talk about this? I feel like lilith’s content has been decent at least, for what little she hadIn post 1208, AGar wrote:I most want to yeet Lillith. Her prodding feels artificial, she seems like she's just latching on to wanting to yeet me so as not to have to engage with Cakez, and her ISO is mostly just globbing on to whatever seems to be something she can echo at the time.
In post 1210, Untrod Tripod wrote:this is a Bad Take, an Easy Yeet for Scum to Push and also Very LazyIn post 1208, AGar wrote:I most want to yeet Lillith. Her prodding feels artificial, she seems like she's just latching on to wanting to yeet me so as not to have to engage with Cakez, and her ISO is mostly just globbing on to whatever seems to be something she can echo at the time.
when you find me agreeing with Gamma, that's a take you can trust
Ok Boomer Take #1: Providing observations on a set of players when asked is not "sussing" or "shading" all of those players just because it does not feature a fucking glowing "this person is town omg!" review. Jesus fucking christ, I literally said that one of the players is "a player". The other I provided a candid observation with no fucking indication of a lean. I literally said I wanted to yeet one player in that post. One. Not two, not three.... I swear to christ reading comprehension cannot be this difficult.In post 1214, Gamma Emerald wrote:On my part my issue with AGar is less that his lilith push is bad and more that he sussed all three of the other people in the pool.
Well not with that attitude I won't.In post 1217, notscience wrote:...it’s talking about agars push. He’s not going to push himself.
This. Is. Fucking. Stellar.In post 1223, notscience wrote:And honestly I struggle to remember what Lilith has done this game. Could just be on me, but I had no problem with UTs line of questioning there
Yes, the infamous "easy push" that has gotten all of *checks notes* 1 other vote and it would need 6 total. Marvelous play. I think y'all are confusing "easy push" with "push I don't like". Which, if y'all don't like it fine but say so and don't just hid behind "oh it's an easy push."In post 1230, notscience wrote:My point was and still is that it’s an easy push for agar to make. You’re saying she’s done stuff and I’m wrong- cool, whatever, I don’t remember it and am not really pushing the issue my main point is it’s a weak push from agar
Because I've seen both alignments do it in myIn post 1262, Gamma Emerald wrote:How is what you described from Cakez not yeetworthy?In post 1261, AGar wrote:Ok Boomer Take #1: Providing observations on a set of players when asked is not "sussing" or "shading" all of those players just because it does not feature a fucking glowing "this person is town omg!" review. Jesus fucking christ, I literally said that one of the players is "a player". The other I provided a candid observation with no fucking indication of a lean. I literally said I wanted to yeet one player in that post. One. Not two, not three.... I swear to christ reading comprehension cannot be this difficult.
There's merit to that but it's also not something I'm wanting to yeet over. Again - he'd need something else to happen to help him along in this setup. I also think he's been pretty consistence wrt the challenge and his follow up so I don't think he's doing it as scum rn.In post 1271, Gamma Emerald wrote:It’s a scummy way to play tho. How does “he’s floating shit across and seeing what sticks” not sound like a scum tactic? That’s a great way to avoid taking hard stances that might backfire Id think.
I wasn't aware calling someone a "player" was giving me the ability to pivot to that person.In post 1272, lilith2013 wrote:You made the fencesittiest post of all time that would allow you to pivot to literally anyone in the pool and with like 0 evidence of attempts to sort the people you were fencesitting on. Then you made up a reason to pick me as your favored elim.Ok Boomer Take #1: Providing observations on a set of players when asked is not "sussing" or "shading" all of those players just because it does not feature a fucking glowing "this person is town omg!" review. Jesus fucking christ, I literally said that one of the players is "a player". The other I provided a candid observation with no fucking indication of a lean. I literally said I wanted to yeet one player in that post. One. Not two, not three.... I swear to christ reading comprehension cannot be this difficult.
I really think you don't know what an easy push is.In post 1272, lilith2013 wrote:out of the remaining three, yeah I think I would have been the easiest to push if scum!you is just trying to survive, which I think is what UT was saying.Yes, the infamous "easy push" that has gotten all of *checks notes* 1 other vote and it would need 6 total. Marvelous play. I think y'all are confusing "easy push" with "push I don't like". Which, if y'all don't like it fine but say so and don't just hid behind "oh it's an easy push."In post 1230, notscience wrote:My point was and still is that it’s an easy push for agar to make. You’re saying she’s done stuff and I’m wrong- cool, whatever, I don’t remember it and am not really pushing the issue my main point is it’s a weak push from agar
The origination of calling out GE's reaction to Noraa - not the argument, but the initial reaction that set off the argument. Followed up in 426 with further elaboration.In post 1272, lilith2013 wrote:I really don’t feel the need to restate things that everyone else has already said when I’m catching up, and there’s only so many things to talk about that haven’t already been talked aboutre:1245 See Boomer Take #1. Also your one point about questioning the townread is correct, and I misremembered exchanges with Notty post-Noraa/GE, but that's literally... *checks notes* your only contribution? Questioning a townread?
please provide examples of where you’ve contributed unique and new thoughts to this game
Newsflash: I am still the leading candidate to be yeeted and Cakez is still on my ass about things so I don't really think your perception is reality.In post 1273, lilith2013 wrote:In that vein I think this quote in hindsight seems like projection, because scum!agar has to push me in order to not have to get in a 1v1 with cakes:
I think it's 72 hours to prod, so no? Not sure why that's relevant at all.In post 1276, The Bulge wrote:were you in prodrange before you made this post?In post 1257, AGar wrote:Spent 11.5 hours and so far almost every waking minute staring at 600 acres worth of utility maps today. Going to go for a run to reset my brain/create a divide in the day for my own sanity, then I'll deal with some of the garbage in here, but boy do I have some fucking takes.
You had 3 hours to literally click any of the links in the post right before this one but you chose not to. Por que no?In post 1298, SirCakez wrote:but where is his scumhunting? I'm seeing so many empty questions and fluffy posting that's not really motivated by town imo
Coming from someone who "shaded everyone in the limpool", you keep hinting you might want to lean lillith but you've shown zero effort to actually assess her slot or push on it. You just continue to speak about it. Why?In post 1325, Gamma Emerald wrote:I also don’t want to rush agar when Lilith might be better
I legitimately have no clue what in the hell this is supposed to mean.In post 1333, Gamma Emerald wrote:It seems there's a demand for action from some people without actually wanting to think about that action.
I generally try and check in with a post that is more than just a prod dodge every 24 hours.In post 1336, The Bulge wrote:it seems like an entirely pointless post, a little nervous even. do you often feel pressured to check in to the thread before being available to post substantially?
Go on...In post 1343, notscience wrote:Meh gammas town
VOTE: AGar
It really fucking did.In post 2746, The Bulge wrote:gg all, sorry for the low activity. for a significant portion of the game the entire scumteam was waaaay below the rest in terms of posts lmao that all town first challenged fucked us right up tbh
Yeah I mean I knew early on I needed to be bussed so I was trying to give my team a heads up on what they should jump on so it looked like they took the bull by the horns instead of trying to get on later. I really wanted them to start shading my behavior D1 to coast.In post 2809, Gamma Emerald wrote:Subject: Mini 2182 - The Heart of the Hidden Temple
what's up fuckersAGar wrote:I make like two posts and there's already burgeoning suspicion of me. Cool.
It actually might be worth it to start heaping some suspicion on me early. Key in on my use of soft words like 'odd' and 'weird' instead of outright calling GE scummy and the nibbling.
Yeah as soon as that started I was really trying to encourage some action so it would be quick and easy and my flip would be as little information as possible.In post 2809, Gamma Emerald wrote:Subject: Mini 2182 - The Heart of the Hidden Temple
what's up fuckersAGar wrote:I make like two posts and there's already burgeoning suspicion of me. Cool.
It actually might be worth it to start heaping some suspicion on me early. Key in on my use of soft words like 'odd' and 'weird' instead of outright calling GE scummy and the nibbling.