Fortunately, I have a few hours before I'll be going to bed tonight, so I can still do this.
Town.
Town?In post 20, shadowslug wrote:Hi (sorry for scumminess)
Scum?
Scum. </3
VOTE: BBMolla
Town.
Town?In post 20, shadowslug wrote:Hi (sorry for scumminess)
Scum?
Scum. </3
Town.In post 43, Not_Mafia wrote:RQS is anti-town, no one else answers
Scum?In post 33, Gamma Emerald wrote:Guess what? It's time for RQS!
And it should really say something when, of all people, it'sIn post 44, Gamma Emerald wrote:that's rich from your stupid ass
Town.
Alternatively, if you have a power that you really don't want scum to get access to, use it immediately. (I have one which I'm going to burn N1 to prevent the scum from getting their hands on it.)In post 53, Toogeloo wrote:It is my opinion that at no time should anyone ever claim their packs in this game, ever...like, ever ever. Scum determine the pass, and I'd rather get random junk in the pass than possibly pass something to scum they want.
I'll sheep this unless LLD tells me you're scum.
Oh back here I guess.
Honestly the only reason N_M would be scum is because this is literally the towniest I've ever seen him be.In post 175, tris wrote:lol. i think not_mafia is town
No, Flavor Leaf is like a...third-rate secondhand copy of GreyIce that has suffered from corrupted files degrading the quality of the copy as to make it a vastly inferior version to the original.In post 262, We brought pizza wrote:Is GreyICE a flavorleaf alt or something
Because I'm voting him for a different reason altogether. Claiming you've got an antitown power you're gonna burn N1 is nai as far as I'm concerned; I just think that Molla's scum for different reasons and with me liking GreyICE's content and his pushes and him also having Molla as scum, seems like a damn good place to vote.In post 298, tris wrote:why are you voting bbmolla for something you did yourself?
So?In post 301, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:LLD hasn't even posted yet
I could walk through this but it'd require me to go through the thread a second time to lay it out.In post 306, tris wrote:what are those reasons?
>Says she'll read the game tomorrow and needs to sleep for work.In post 318, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:I'll read this game tomorrow. Gotta sleep for work.
MOD: BADLY V/LA DUE to SNOWMAGEDDON 2021 INSTALLMENT.In post 324, Not_Mafia wrote:LLD sorts herself, she’ll hardcore lurk if scum
Flea I don't want you to be scum but why are you probably scum?In post 325, Flea The Magician wrote:Holy smeg 13 pages? eugh ya'll are going to make me suffer more... any key points I should know about? V/LA end date isn't accurate, I just don't know when amma be back to me.
No, but if theyIn post 368, shadowslug wrote:like you're just gonna sheep one if they say the other is maf?
No but I get the distinct impression Flea is scum for content-based reasons instead. </3In post 449, BBmolla wrote:apparently you're now scum for claiming to do that
I never once had internet in that timeframe. The internet went down Friday. I stayed up literally all night waiting for it to come back; it didn't, not even by 8 am. My family was awake and constantly checking from 8 am onwards on Saturday. It didn't come back. I continued to wait, all night long, until 7 am on Sunday. Again, not a blip. Not a single point, not for so much as a second, with internet. It was down the entire time. And then when I went to bed, my family kept on checking. Ditto for Monday, which was circa 6 am. Nothing, and then my family was checking from 6 am onwards, until it came back later that night.In post 470, Toogeloo wrote:But why does mastina, who doesn't have internet, come into the game thread when she does have internet, to tell us repeatedly she won't have internet? And does she not have a phone, or is she hitting her data limits?
Honestly?
And I feel bad that the read is scum but I just don't get townvibes from your content here at all.In post 554, Flea The Magician wrote:Pretty sure I've generated enough content to be readable at this point, I don't believe anyone here can have me as truely null.
Noraa hasn't townspewed and is less active than I'd prefer (her hydra which is half Infinity, .5% MURDERCAT, the rest her, is only barely in the lead for postcount rather than having triple the postcount of the next closest slot), but I actually feel that she's done anti-scumspewing in that she's done things that make me not think she's scum even tho it's not clearly townspew if that makes sense.In post 570, clidd wrote:Nora didn't townspew yet, which is strange, but I'll give it some time.
Pretty much.In post 585, We brought pizza wrote:Also Pooky is scum but because of his charming nature, he's not gonna die day 1 and that's stupid.
Honestly?In post 763, Gamma Emerald wrote:while I think Pooky is scum Noraa isn't handling this situation very well
I get where Pooky is coming from on Pizza, but while I get where he is coming from, I don't think his read is actually right because I DO get the vibe of Noraa being town here; I just feel like if Noraa were scum, the vibe from Pizza would be different.In post 888, clidd wrote:Mastina, please, take a look at pizza/pooky.
It never was; RQS is pro-scum but that doesn't mean it comes from scum, I just happen to think you were scum doing RQS rather than town doing RQS.In post 897, Gamma Emerald wrote:Not a catch-up thing but you need to justify why RQS is a scumtell for you if that’s still your main reason to SR me
In post 923, Toogeloo wrote:I am hesitant to start a new wagon with 2 days to deadline however. We can't even move on past Pooky and pizza, and at this rate we either no lim today, or pick a side in the 1v1.
This is a much better vote than Pooky or pizza tho and if I can't get Molla wagoned then this is the best alternative available.
Okay then pretend you're not sheeping me--pretend you're sheeping GreyICE. (Not willow, his replacement, GreyICE himself.)In post 945, clidd wrote:I wanted to sheep Mastina here, but I'm having trouble seeing scum!BBmola rn.
In post 161, GreyICE wrote:No really. Did you join the game and think "I'm gonna tell the scum I'm taking the most useful power from the pack so they know to definitely avoid passing themselves my pack"?In post 156, BBmolla wrote:GreyIces intro posts are awfulIn post 152, GreyICE wrote:Like BBMolla posting what he did? Fucking bad play. -_- What the hell were you thinking? Seriously.
Or did you think "I'm taking the scummiest power from the pack, I'll tell the town in an attempt to look town so I'm not autolynched if they find out."
Vote: BBMolla
Inquiring minds are curious here.
In post 181, GreyICE wrote:Getting caught as having taken a scum power first pick by something like a rolecop, or draft pack cop, or anything like that, would be an extremely negative thing, yes? I understand the value of picking a scum power out of a pack full of bad powers, but I don't understand the value in announcing "hey my pack is so bad the best thing I can do is hatedraft a scum power that depending on how packs pass the scum might not even see".In post 165, BBmolla wrote:what towncred would I gain by taking a scum power
I'm literally being open about it so that if that many people think I'm scummy or whatever I won't take it
like your logic makes no fucking sense
I'm not seeing the "town" in this announcement. I see the scum CYA.
In post 255, GreyICE wrote:Mmm, interesting logic. Very mafia theory-esque. So put your money where your mouth is. I'm ignoring a stronger avenue of attack on someone to push this on BBMolla because "I can get away with it." So... where is it? Where's the avenue I'm missing?In post 219, Toogeloo wrote:It's explained following the bold. Essentially, scum will struggle to find avenues of attack for scum pushes on town, and will push things that look easy to get away with.In post 214, shadowslug wrote:can you explain bolded?
In post 364, GreyICE wrote:That was a lousy answer to what you thought of bbmollaIn post 350, Gamma Emerald wrote:I'm mostly losing my shit because it seems a lot of people who have more experience are calling it a scumtell, when that's just a shit take all over.
chief among the idiot army being pooky, to the point where it's so flagrant he's probably scum for it
Yes, let's.In post 955, We brought pizza wrote:Nvm lets flashwagon BBmolla.
NPOM is a weaker townread so if you forced me to choose between NPOM and Klick I'd choose to wagon NPOM--I just wouldn't be happy because I'm explicitly of the belief that {Pizza, Pooky, Klick} are all town, with a side of NPOM being a (admittedly weaker) townread.In post 959, clidd wrote:I'll wait for Mastina to come back, I want to see her opinion between NPOM and Klick.
Either me or GreyICE.In post 970, Flea The Magician wrote:Nobody willing to answer me on who started the Molla wagon.
And yet y'all mislynched him D1.In post 1008, willow1 wrote:klick will actually be more useful & readable as game goes on imo
I realize this is posthumous, but there's a really simple explanation for this:In post 1015, Klick wrote:the player I think has the most alarms going off for me in my head atm is mastina. I'm bothered by her NM townread, it feels really forced and like she's trying to justify not voting there in the future. And I don't like her shade of Flea without any actual pressure there because reading her reads it felt like her reasoning for the Flea vote was the most concrete thing she had to me, and if mastina's town I felt decent about sheeping her reasoning for Flea probably being scum. I feel less conviction from her about the votes she's actually making than I do about her Flea read.
Honestly mods who limit questions to PMs are actually compromising their games MORE than mods who answer publicly--because it's limited to PMs, you can actually get BETTER confirmation of a slot being town in a lot of situations, or even confirm a slot as scum, based on info from PMs.In post 1058, Flea The Magician wrote:Honestly, I don't see how you can angleshoot publicly.
I mean--the Klick wagon was absolute crap. The reasons for voting Klick were all shit and it literally caused the fucking mislynch of one of the towniest best slots in the game.In post 1063, Flea The Magician wrote:OK, now to look at the Klick Wagon... There was a lot of weird stuff happening on that wagon and given it seems to be mostly based on a shoddy vote on me that cause the elimination there were some seriously opportunistic shifts there - honestly my vote probably being the worse one VCA wise given it was essentially hammer as we got NM here
Actually.In post 1045, Gypyx wrote:
To explain: GreyICE was very obviously town and LLD and Klick alike seemed to think he was town. That is the strongest townread I have in the game for good reason. willow coming in is a disappointment because willow is no GreyICE, but nothing willow's done has thrown the read I had into doubt; willow remains town.In post 1067, mastina wrote:Williow1/GreyICE
Shadowslug
PookytheMagicalBear
We brought pizza - Hydra of Infinity 324 / Noraa / MURDERCAT
Not_Mafia
NPOM/tris
Toogeloo
Gamma Emerlad
Flea The Magician
BBmolla
Townbloc townbloc-lite (need to review), strong townread, meh-reads (poe possible scum), scumreads, strong scumread.
I did not activate a visiting role N1 so no, I did not.In post 1072, NoPowerOverMe wrote:@mastina if you think my wagon was so towny did you visit me last night?
In this case, the belief there's 2-3 scum on the elimination wagon tho is based on the names off of it.In post 1084, We brought pizza wrote:There's nothing that says there has to be scum on an elim wagon, there just usually is because of probability
Correct--if you're planning on fakeclaiming a guilty on me tho, I should warn you that you're in for aIn post 1091, NoPowerOverMe wrote:So you're saying you didn't leave your house?In post 1080, mastina wrote:I did not activate a visiting role N1 so no, I did not.In post 1072, NoPowerOverMe wrote:@mastina if you think my wagon was so towny did you visit me last night?
That'd be three VTs and one power that feels like it should be passed along further so that it can upgrade further. (A role Gypyx called one thing but which we literally have a wiki to call it by its actual name.)In post 1106, Toogeloo wrote:So mastina has my pack from last night, which means I know what I left her.
I wouldn't know, but any result of yours where you claim I did a visiting action would inherently be a lie because I didn't--I got confirmation from the mod that activating my power last night did not count as a visit at all. So if you claim that I did visit...it'd, inherently, be you lying. I wouldn't be able to know why you were lying, just that you were, because I 100% know for a fact that I did not visit anyone last night because IIn post 1107, NoPowerOverMe wrote:I've never faked a guilty before, why would I start now?
I'll buy it.In post 1124, willow1 wrote:first, it is antitown imo to be more specific, but i'm very confident that toog did not make the night kill last night!
I have a different take; Pooky was legitimate in his claim but didn't fully understand the mechanics.In post 1251, MathBlade wrote:I am not trying to tell you anything. What I am saying is I think you fucked up your fake claim. You say you got a pack with 2 doctors in it. Then you claimed to take that role. You then yourself would have one shot of doctor remaining to use on a future night. However if whoever is 3 slots down/up/whatever direction from you has a 1 shot doctor then it’s likely you never doctored at all.
(I am reconsidering Not_Mafia by virtue of various factors since then but I do think that Pooky is town here. Pizza may or may not be in there.)In post 1066, mastina wrote:The NPOM wagon is pure town--unless you wanna give the argument willow or shadowslug are scum, which they just aren't.In post 1045, Gypyx wrote:
Klick was town. I am town.
The only way there's not three scum on the wagon is if Molla's scum.
There is either two scum on the wagon if Molla is scum, or three scum on the wagon if Molla is town.
Those are the ONLY possibilities.
Pooky's push I'm pretty sure came from town, and N_M did what he always does (every L-2 is essentially an L-1 as long as N_M is alive) so is explicitly null (tho to reiterate, the one and only reason N_M would be scum is that this is literally the most active, most content, N_M has ever been in a game which is explicitly "too townie to be town" logic; I townread him for what he's done thusfar).
Tho I also townread Pizza I'd have to review their push there to see if I thought it was town or not.
Most of the votes there, just...aren't town tho.
In {Toogeloo, Gamma Emerald, NPOM, Flea}, there is, objectively, aminimumof one scum. Like, no matter what: that group has to have at least one scum in there.
I happen to rather strongly believe it's two.
In post 1102, mastina wrote:In this case, the belief there's 2-3 scum on the elimination wagon tho is based on the names off of it.In post 1084, We brought pizza wrote:There's nothing that says there has to be scum on an elim wagon, there just usually is because of probability
The names off of it are BBMolla, myself (I am town), Klick (who is flipped town), clidd (who is flipped town), willow (who I strongly townread), and shadowslug (who I also strongly townread).
For the elimination wagon to be all town, it would require the scumteam to be exactly {BBMolla, willow1, shadowslug}.
In other words--for every name off the wagon you believe to be town, you must add a scum ON the wagon.
If you believe willow is town, that's a minimum of one scum. If you believe willow and shadowslug are town, that's a minimum of two scum. If you believe willow, shadowslug, and Molla are all town (I don't; see also, voting Molla), then you must, inherently, believe three scum are on the wagon.
The elimination wagon having 2-3 scum on it is thus, a guarantee. Not an assumption.
The only question is which of the names you believe to be the scum, since you can make a compelling argument for literally every single member of the wagon being scum. (4-5 of the members of the wagon are town, so with only 2-3 as scum, the wagon while sucking was still inherently made more of town than of scum.)
This is actually one of the reasons I prefer voting Molla, too.
Unless you believe all three scum were on the wagon, the odds of finding scum off the wagon are actually higher. If there's one scum off the wagon, there's a 33% chance of finding them objectively (tho subjectively it jumps to 100% being Molla). In contrast, on the Klick wagon, 2/7 comes out to objectively ~29%. (Admittedly, tho, 3/7 is ~43%. So if the wagon has three scum on it rather than two scum, obviously the odds there are better. So the question on whether to vote Molla becomes: do you believe that there's 2 scum on the Klick wagon, or 3? If 2, vote Molla; if 3, vote someone on the wagon.)
Given Pooky's claim and play I am removing him, too.In post 1129, mastina wrote:I'll buy it. I also buy that you're town. I'm also willing to buy that NPOM's play is too weird to be scum, too. Which means the scum pool is narrowed rather significantly:In post 1124, willow1 wrote:first, it is antitown imo to be more specific, but i'm very confident that toog did not make the night kill last night!
Objectively, {BBMolla, Flea, Pizza, Not_Mafia, Gamma, Pooky, shadowslug}.
I am removing Pooky from there due to my townread and shadowslug similarly so.
Subjectively, {BBMolla, Flea, Pizza, Not_Mafia, Gamma}.
In post 1259, MathBlade wrote:Jailkept* lmaoIn post 1258, MathBlade wrote:Btw I blocked Mastina last night as she had 0 votes on her and was scared of either her being a deep wolf or the night kill. I don’t think Mastina actually does the kill here so gonna lock her in as town since her reaction was good.
Well that means I'm pretty much conftown.In post 1262, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:lol i also protected mastina
(So it's not Flea and not Gamma who is now MathBlade but that leaves you three possible names with three scum slots. This notably doesn't mean that all three are scum, it's possible only 1-2 are scum, but if I was the nightkill it's guaranteed there WAS scum in there.)In post 1129, mastina wrote:Subjectively, {BBMolla, Flea, Pizza, Not_Mafia, Gamma}.
Again I'd like to stress that I prefer voting Molla, for good reason.
Not a bodyguard, a different protection, but also not a 1/2x doctor, either.In post 1320, MathBlade wrote:Mastina also confirmed what I did pass her which is a bodyguard. (Or if it upgraded something better)
I can say I started with an inventor role. I did not use it on N1 so it was passed along.In post 1344, Toogeloo wrote:There is more than one gift giving role?
Incredibly useful result to have.In post 1331, Toogeloo wrote:Pooky is town. I used a 1-shot Cop ability on him night 1. He should have gotten a gift from me last night with one of the inventor powers I picked up on Night 2.
This looks like scum trying to make up for the failed nightkill btw.In post 1269, NoPowerOverMe wrote:I'm not seeing the mastina love tbh. She seems edgy to me.
Well for a start you said it yourself--in your opinion, it's pointless to discuss with me, so the only way to stop me from voting you is to nightkill me. I have been gaining power the longer the game has gone as I've gotten more refined reads/reasons and held pretty damn good stances, too, and even if I hadn't...a vote on scum becomes more threatening the closer we get to lylo.In post 1392, BBmolla wrote:why would I? no offense to mastina but I am entirely unthreatened by her. she's super wrong and there's no way she'll ever realize that so it's pointless to discuss with her (I've tried in the past)
she has no power here so why would I kill her
Can confirm, I have picked a role that was not vanilla.In post 1380, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:also I found out it is not a doc shot but a simple doc shot, which means it only works on people who have only picked vanilla roles so far. so if mastina has picked anything that is not vanilla - it wouldn't actually work on her, which means you are not lying about JKing :3
I never had a Neapolitan--and Neapolitan isn't useless, because if it targets a VT who never took a role, that player becomes conftown.In post 1383, Not_Mafia wrote:mastina and willow, why would you not take a Neapolitan knowing it becomes near useless the more the game lasts?
Correct! I'm already voting there so I'd appreciate it if you did, too!In post 1384, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:i think bbmolla is the best suspect if mastina was the kill which is what we both think happened last night right?
For the record this clears shadowslug for one simple reason:In post 1428, shadowslug wrote:damn i thought the second vote was a secret but now everyone can see : (
PRETTY sure that's not the scum slot that was being replaced.In post 1509, Gypyx wrote:Almost50 replaces willow1
>Variant on the Amished tell of saying the player you replaced sucked.In post 1517, unwnd wrote:I have no idea why NPOM would take a PGO and then claim that he took it, that effectively nullifies the use of it
>Doesn't actually say who the townreads are, yet alone, why.In post 1518, unwnd wrote:Bad news I only townread 3 of you alive right now
>Saves a slot who has a very real chance of being scumIn post 1521, unwnd wrote:The current standoff in terms of wagons right now (myself/Pizza) is pretty mediocre
VOTE: Shadowslug
>Votes for a
>Calls aIn post 1526, unwnd wrote:You're scum lol
>NPOM claimed a motion detect on me with movement N1, not N2, and this result is impossible because NPOM activated the PGO N2 and thus could not have motion detected N2 as wellIn post 1530, unwnd wrote:Impossible to jail Mastina, NPOM detected movement of her on N2 lol
Sure thing!In post 1599, MathBlade wrote:Come vote NPOM today.In post 1593, Almost50 wrote:I'll tell you all what: You settle things between you all and let me know whom to vote. I will follow the conversation(s) going on from the point I joined the game, but I don't think I'll be reading before that point (at least not at this time)
No not really, and I would vote there, but:In post 1610, BBmolla wrote:can I actually ask if people think lurking pizza is town
In post 1615, unwnd wrote:I would vote Pizza
I agree with MathBlade here: either scum are bussing Pizza, or scum are desperately trying to eliminate Pizza by hopping onto that wagon to save themselves.In post 1617, MathBlade wrote:Either scum bus or scum claim by all having to be on it. I like it.
To put it another way: Pizza has a fair chance of flipping scum and I am suspicious there so I would wagon them.In post 1622, mastina wrote:No not really, and I would vote there, but:In post 1610, BBmolla wrote:can I actually ask if people think lurking pizza is townIn post 1615, unwnd wrote:I would vote PizzaI agree with MathBlade here: either scum are bussing Pizza, or scum are desperately trying to eliminate Pizza by hopping onto that wagon to save themselves.In post 1617, MathBlade wrote:Either scum bus or scum claim by all having to be on it. I like it.
In either case, I kinda prefer to vote the scum.
Pizza can wait until tomorrow. Today should be either tris/NPOM/unwnd or BBMolla.In post 1651, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:are we really not going to get pizza?
Yes.In post 1696, MathBlade wrote:Mastina would you say it’s fair to say there’s a scum in you/unwd?
You apparently were under the impression I wasn't listing them all as one slot but I was.In post 1697, unwnd wrote:I just realized Tris/NPOM/Me is all one slot
Jesus mastina you really just don't give a fuck about this do you
I don't have an answer.In post 1769, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:i used my hider invention to hide with pizza
but theyre dead
and im not
like what
lolol