Mini 2251: Triplicate! GAME OVER!

[Titus]

Just got home and got my PMs. Please give me a bit to get my bearings as its three separate games at once.

[Titus]

The way I understand it though, correct me if I am wrong, is that every vote counts for all three games but nightkills are separated by game?

[Titus]

Looking at the VC, that doesn't seem right either.

[Titus]

Mod: Can you update the first post?

[Titus]

Looks at 1874...is utterly confused.

[Titus]

VOTE: House

I think that's L minus 1.

[Titus]

House claim.

[Titus]

Ooh a wagon sensor. It's my favorite role I thought I'd never see again.

[Titus]

Well whoops.

According to the summary, Dunn is confscum in this game right?

[Titus]

Wait so now that house is flipped it’s night in game 1?

Yes. I think so

[Titus]

I should probably find out what slot you replaced into, eh?

I'm Almost40.

[Titus]

In game a I'm in a neighborhood with T3
Dwlee, RR, RCEnigma, House, Ircher

Ircher is still able to post and thinks that there are a lot of scum in the neighborhood due to low post count

Which is game A? The normal?

[Titus]

In game a I'm in a neighborhood with T3
Dwlee, RR, RCEnigma, House, Ircher

Ircher is still able to post and thinks that there are a lot of scum in the neighborhood due to low post count

Which is game A? The normal?

[Titus]

Do you think you can accurately read Titus?

House thinks he's the Titus whisperer but he has a lot to be spiteful for. I ran the gauntlet as scum against him all the while he FoSed me. In his place, I'd start with me as scum in both games until proven otherwise.

[Titus]

We should look at the Ircher wagon in game A.

This I can do.

[Titus]

Spoiler: vcs

Vote Count Normal.1.01

House(E-3):

Amy Dunne, Almost50, Dwlee99, MegAzumarill,

RCEnigma(E-4):

Lady Chloe, House, Dunnstral

Amy Dunne (E-6):

House

MegAzumarill (E-6):

mastina

Dunnstral(E-6):

RCEnigma

Almost50 (E-6):

Ircher

Radical Rat (E-7):

mastina (E-7):

Dwlee99(E-7):

CheekyTeeky(E-7):

Lady Chloe(E-7):

Ircher(E-7):

T3(E-7):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (2):

Everyone Else

With 13 alive, it takes

7

to murder/death/kill or

7

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-12-14 22:00:00).

Vote Count Mini Theme.1.01

House(E-3):

Amy Dunne, Almost50, Dwlee99, MegAzumarill,

RCEnigma(E-4):

Lady Chloe, House, Dunnstral

Amy Dunne (E-6):

House

MegAzumarill (E-6):

mastina

Dunnstral(E-6):

RCEnigma

Almost50 (E-6):

Ircher

Radical Rat (E-7):

mastina (E-7):

Dwlee99(E-7):

CheekyTeeky(E-7):

Lady Chloe(E-7):

Ircher(E-7):

T3(E-7):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (2):

Everyone Else

With 13 alive, it takes

7

to murder/death/kill or

7

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-12-10 22:00:00).

Vote Count Open.2.00

Amy Dunne (E-7):

mastina (E-7):

MegAzumarill (E-7):

Dwlee99(E-7):

Dunnstral(E-7):

RCEnigma(E-7):

CheekyTeeky(E-7):

Lady Chloe(E-7):

Ircher(E-7):

House(E-7):

T3(E-7):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (11):

Everyone

With 11 alive, it takes

6

to murder/death/kill or

6

to choose not to.

Vote Count Normal.1.01

Radical Rat (E-2):

Ircher, Dwlee99, MegAzumarill, Almost50, Amy Dunne,

House (E-5):

Dunnstral,

RCEnigma (E-5):

Lady Chloe, House,

Amy Dunne (E-6):

House

MegAzumarill (E-6):

mastina

Dunnstral (E-6):

RCEnigma

Almost50 (E-7):

mastina (E-7):

Dwlee99 (E-7):

CheekyTeeky (E-7):

Lady Chloe (E-7):

Ircher (E-7):

T3 (E-7):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (1):

Everyone Else

With 13 alive, it takes

7

to murder/death/kill or

7

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-12-14 22:00:00).

Vote Count Mini Theme.1.01

Radical Rat (E-2):

Ircher, Dwlee99, MegAzumarill, Almost50, Amy Dunne,

House (E-5):

Dunnstral,

RCEnigma (E-5):

Lady Chloe, House,

Amy Dunne (E-6):

House

MegAzumarill (E-6):

mastina

Dunnstral (E-6):

RCEnigma

Almost50 (E-7):

mastina (E-7):

Dwlee99 (E-7):

CheekyTeeky (E-7):

Lady Chloe (E-7):

Ircher (E-7):

T3 (E-7):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (1):

Everyone Else

With 13 alive, it takes

7

to murder/death/kill or

7

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-12-10 22:00:00).

Vote Count Open.2.00

RCEnigma(E-2):

Dunnstral, Dwlee99, MegAzumarill, Amy Dunne,

Amy Dunne (E-6):

mastina (E-6):

MegAzumarill (E-6):

Dwlee99(E-6):

Dunnstral(E-6):

CheekyTeeky(E-6):

Lady Chloe(E-6):

Ircher(E-6):

T3(E-6):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (6):

Everyone Else

With 10 alive, it takes

6

to murder/death/kill or

5

to choose not to.

A Hammer In The Morning! A Hammer In The Evening! All Over This Land!

Vote Count Normal.1.01

House (E-4):

Amy Dunne, Lady Chloe, Ircher,

Radical Rat (E-4):

Dwlee99, MegAzumarill, Almost50,

RCEnigma (E-6):

House,

MegAzumarill (E-6):

mastina

Dunnstral (E-6):

RCEnigma

Amy Dunne (E-7):

Almost50 (E-7):

mastina (E-7):

Dwlee99 (E-7):

CheekyTeeky (E-7):

Lady Chloe (E-7):

Ircher (E-7):

T3 (E-7):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (3):

Dunnstral, Everyone Else

With 13 alive, it takes

7

to murder/death/kill or

7

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-12-14 22:00:00).

Vote Count Mini Theme.1.01

House (E-4):

Amy Dunne, Lady Chloe, Ircher,

Radical Rat (E-4):

Dwlee99, MegAzumarill, Almost50,

RCEnigma (E-6):

House,

MegAzumarill (E-6):

mastina

Dunnstral (E-6):

RCEnigma

Amy Dunne (E-7):

Almost50 (E-7):

mastina (E-7):

Dwlee99 (E-7):

CheekyTeeky (E-7):

Lady Chloe (E-7):

Ircher (E-7):

T3 (E-7):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (3):

Dunnstral, Everyone Else

With 13 alive, it takes

7

to murder/death/kill or

7

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-12-10 22:00:00).

Vote Count Open.2.00

RCEnigma(E-0):

Dunnstral, Dwlee99, MegAzumarill, Amy Dunne, Lady Chloe, Ircher

Amy Dunne (E-6):

mastina (E-6):

MegAzumarill (E-6):

Dwlee99(E-6):

Dunnstral(E-6):

CheekyTeeky(E-6):

Lady Chloe(E-6):

Ircher(E-6):

T3(E-6):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (6):

Everyone Else

With 10 alive, it takes

6

to murder/death/kill or

5

to choose not to.

RCEnigma has DIED in the Open Game.

He was: Wrapped in an Enigma and Shrouded in Mr. E.

Also

Spoiler:

Vanilla Town

Vote Count Normal.1.01

Dunnstral (E-1):

RCEnigma, Amy Dunne, Ircher, Lady Chloe, CheekyTeeky T3, Amy Dunne

MegAzumarill (E-4):

Dwlee99, mastina, House,

Radical Rat (E-5):

MegAzumarill, Almost50,

RCEnigma (E-7):

T3 (E-7):

House (E-7):

Amy Dunne (E-7):

Almost50 (E-7):

mastina (E-7):

Dwlee99 (E-7):

CheekyTeeky (E-7):

Lady Chloe (E-7):

Ircher (E-7):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (2):

Dunnstral, Everyone Else

With 13 alive, it takes

7

to murder/death/kill or

7

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-12-14 22:00:00).

Vote Count Mini Theme.1.01

Dunnstral (E-1):

RCEnigma, Amy Dunne, Ircher, Lady Chloe, CheekyTeeky T3, Amy Dunne

MegAzumarill (E-3):

Dwlee99,

Demon Lord

, mastina, House,

Radical Rat (E-5):

MegAzumarill, Almost50,

RCEnigma (E-7):

T3 (E-7):

House (E-7):

Amy Dunne (E-7):

Almost50 (E-7):

mastina (E-7):

Dwlee99 (E-7):

CheekyTeeky (E-7):

Lady Chloe (E-7):

Ircher (E-7):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (2):

Dunnstral, Everyone Else

With 13 alive, it takes

7

to murder/death/kill or

7

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-12-10 22:00:00).

Vote Count Open.2.00

Amy Dunne (E-5):

mastina (E-5):

Dwlee99(E-5):

Dunnstral(E-5):

CheekyTeeky(E-5):

Lady Chloe(E-5):

Ircher(E-5):

T3(E-5):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (8):

Everyone Else

With 8 alive, it takes

5

to murder/death/kill or

4

to choose not to.

@mod, can we get an updated VC please?

Sorry, I passed out early last night and have spent the morning sick.

There has been a hammer on Dunn in the open

Ircher->Chloe->Cheeky->Dwlee->T3

Dunn flips VT.

Votes reset for game three. I’ll edit this into a proper VC format as soon as I am able, but it may be a few hours.

Note: VC for Open not updated in this post, will update soon.

Vote Count Normal.1.01

Dunnstral (E-3):

RCEnigma, Ircher, CheekyTeeky Lady Chloe,

MegAzumarill (E-3):

House, mastina, Dwlee99, T3,

Radical Rat (E-5):

MegAzumarill, Almost50,

House (E-6):

Amy Dunne,

RCEnigma (E-7):

T3 (E-7):

Amy Dunne (E-7):

Almost50 (E-7):

mastina (E-7):

Dwlee99 (E-7):

CheekyTeeky (E-7):

Lady Chloe (E-7):

Ircher (E-7):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (2):

Dunnstral, Everyone Else

With 13 alive, it takes

7

to murder/death/kill or

7

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-12-14 22:00:00).

Vote Count Mini Theme.1.01

MegAzumarill (E-2):

Demon Lord

, House, mastina, Dwlee99, T3,

Dunnstral (E-3):

RCEnigma, Ircher, CheekyTeeky, Lady Chloe,

Radical Rat (E-5):

MegAzumarill, Almost50,

House (E-6):

Amy Dunne,

RCEnigma (E-7):

T3 (E-7):

Amy Dunne (E-7):

Almost50 (E-7):

mastina (E-7):

Dwlee99 (E-7):

CheekyTeeky (E-7):

Lady Chloe (E-7):

Ircher (E-7):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (2):

Dunnstral, Everyone Else

With 13 alive, it takes

7

to murder/death/kill or

7

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-12-10 22:00:00).

Vote Count Open.2.00

Ircher(E-0):

Lady Chloe, Amy Dunne, T3, Dwlee99

Amy Dunne (E-4):

mastina (E-4):

Dwlee99(E-4):

CheekyTeeky(E-4):

Lady Chloe(E-4):

T3(E-4):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (2):

Everyone Else

With 7 alive, it takes

4

to murder/death/kill or

4

to choose not to.

Ircher has been hammered.

He was

Spoiler:

Vanilla Town

Vote Count Normal.1.01

MegAzumarill (E-0):

House, mastina, CheekyTeeky, T3, Radical Rat, Dwlee99, Ircher, HAMMER!

Radical Rat (E-5):

Almost50, Amy Dunne,

Dunnstral (E-6):

RCEnigma,

Ircher (E-6):

MegAzumarill,

mastina (E-7):

Dwlee99 (E-7):

Amy Dunne (E-7):

T3 (E-7):

House (E-7):

RCEnigma (E-7):

Almost50 (E-7):

CheekyTeeky (E-7):

Lady Chloe (E-7):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (2):

Dunnstral, Lady Chloe,

With 13 alive, it takes

7

to murder/death/kill or

7

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-12-14 22:00:00).

Vote Count Mini Theme.1.01

MegAzumarill (E-0):

Demon Lord

, House, mastina, CheekyTeeky, T3, Radical Rat, Dwlee99, HAMMER!

Radical Rat (E-4):

Almost50, Ircher, Amy Dunne,

Dunnstral (E-6):

RCEnigma,

Ircher (E-6):

MegAzumarill,

mastina (E-7):

Dwlee99 (E-7):

Amy Dunne (E-7):

T3 (E-7):

House (E-7):

RCEnigma (E-7):

Almost50 (E-7):

CheekyTeeky (E-7):

Lady Chloe (E-7):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (2):

Dunnstral, Lady Chloe,

With 13 alive, it takes

7

to murder/death/kill or

7

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-12-10 22:00:00).

Vote Count Normal.2.02

Radical Rat (E-3):

House, T3, Ircher,

T3 (E-4):

Dunnstral, Dwlee99

House (E-4):

Radical Rat, CheekyTeeky,

Dwlee99 (E-6):

CheekyTeeky (E-6):

Dunnstral (E-6):

Ircher (E-6):

mastina (E-6):

Amy Dunne (E-6):

Almost50 (E-6):

Lady Chloe (E-6):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (4):

Amy Dunne, Almost50, Lady Chloe, mastina

With 11 alive, it takes

6

to murder/death/kill or

6

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-12-19 06:00:00).

Vote Count Theme.2.01

Radical Rat (E-4):

House, T3, Ircher,

House (E-5):

Radical Rat, CheekyTeeky,

CheekyTeeky (E-7):

T3 (E-7):

RCEnigma (E-7):

Dunnstral (E-7):

Ircher (E-7):

mastina (E-7):

Amy Dunne (E-7):

Almost50 (E-7):

Lady Chloe (E-7):

Dwlee99 (E-8):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (7):

Amy Dunne, Almost50, Lady Chloe, RCEnigma, Dunnstral, Dwlee99, mastina

With 12 alive, it takes

7

to murder/death/kill or

6

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-12-12 18:30:00).

Vote Count Normal.2.02

Ircher (E-2):

Amy Dunne, mastina CheekyTeeky, Almost50

T3 (E-4):

Dunnstral, Dwlee99

Dunnstral (E-4):

Lady Chloe, Radical Rat,

Dwlee99 (E-4):

T3, House,

Radical Rat (E-5):

Ircher,

House (E-5):

CheekyTeeky,

CheekyTeeky (E-6):

mastina (E-6):

Amy Dunne (E-6):

Almost50 (E-6):

Lady Chloe (E-6):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (0):

With 11 alive, it takes

6

to murder/death/kill or

6

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-12-19 06:00:00).

Vote Count Theme.2.01

Ircher (E-3):

Amy Dunne, mastina, CheekyTeeky, Almost50,

Dunnstral (E-5):

Lady Chloe, Radical Rat,

Dwlee99 (E-5):

Demon Lord

, T3, House,

Radical Rat (E-6):

Ircher,

House (E-7):

CheekyTeeky (E-7):

T3 (E-7):

RCEnigma (E-7):

mastina (E-7):

Amy Dunne (E-7):

Almost50 (E-7):

Lady Chloe (E-7):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (3):

RCEnigma, Dunnstral, Dwlee99,

With 12 alive, it takes

7

to murder/death/kill or

6

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-12-12 18:30:00).

Vote Count Normal.2.Final

Ircher (E-0):

Amy Dunne, mastina CheekyTeeky, Almost50, Radical Rat, House,

T3 (E-4):

Dunnstral, Dwlee99

Dunnstral (E-5):

Lady Chloe,

Dwlee99 (E-5):

T3,

Radical Rat (E-5):

Ircher,

House (E-5):

CheekyTeeky,

CheekyTeeky (E-6):

mastina (E-6):

Amy Dunne (E-6):

Almost50 (E-6):

Lady Chloe (E-6):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (0):

With 11 alive, it takes

6

to murder/death/kill or

6

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 2 is in (expired on 2021-12-19 06:00:00).

Vote Count Theme.2.FINAL

Ircher (E-0):

Amy Dunne, mastina, CheekyTeeky, Almost50, Radical Rat, House, T3,

Dunnstral (E-6):

Lady Chloe,

Radical Rat (E-6):

Ircher,

Dwlee99 (E-7):

Demon Lord

House (E-7):

CheekyTeeky (E-7):

T3 (E-7):

RCEnigma (E-7):

mastina (E-7):

Amy Dunne (E-7):

Almost50 (E-7):

Lady Chloe (E-7):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (3):

RCEnigma, Dunnstral, Dwlee99,

With 12 alive, it takes

7

to murder/death/kill or

6

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 2 is in (expired on 2021-12-12 18:30:00).

My first instinct is to look at the middle of the wagons, but that doesn't seem right unless they are overlapping. What's likely to have happened is that one scumteam took charge and the other sheeped.

[Titus]

I also think we desperately need a scumflip in either game. If Dwlee is confscum in B, then let's take the win there and hope he's scum in A. If I understand the mechanics, I would expect very little known bussing. So if Dwlee is scum in B, then I would expect his partners to not vote him in either game. So Dwlee's flip would be useful in that way.

[Titus]

I would lim T3 at the moment for scum in A.

RR would be an ok lim for the VCA. Same as Dunn.

[Titus]

Why in tarnations would anyone kill me mastina? I'm getting little interaction and I am confused.

[Titus]

@Mastina, what do you think of my tentative VCA analysis? Does it work with the wagon sensor?

[Titus]

Oh dear

{Titus/Cheeky/mastina}

I can't think any further. The savagery would take me.

That's the best possible townbloc you've got there.

Me thinks based off that pool that barring Cheeky scum, Taly's just off here. I don't see mastina reaching out this much as scum.

[Titus]

forgot to mention that chloe is town in a

Why in A? How is her play different in B?

why do i get asked so many questions
i'll elaborate later

What's your favorite question? Least favorite?

#joke

[Titus]

I still think Cheeky has decent odds of flipping mafia in Game A.

T3 scumclaimed in B with that hammer on Ircher.

no.

Justify your hammer.

Oh dear

{Titus/Cheeky/mastina}

I can't think any further. The savagery would take me.

That's the best possible townbloc you've got there.

Me thinks based off that pool that barring Cheeky scum, Taly's just off here. I don't see mastina reaching out this much as scum.

What makes you agree with Cheeky-scum?

I don't. I'm saying you're likely really off base and the only one possible is Cheeky.

[Titus]

I would lim T3 at the moment for scum in A.

RR would be an ok lim for the VCA. Same as Dunn.

[Titus]

Also cheeky's reads bad and think I may have been onto something with thinking they're scum game A

Nice try Dwlee. I never kill mastina and Amy here lol.

I'm not a fan of would never kill arguments as kill targets tend to be stumpified.

[Titus]

For instance, mastina isn't silenced. Maybe scum thought she'd die in both because she's practically town.

[Titus]

Why would scum think she'd die in both when none of the other kills have worked that way?

Exactly. So why read into kills at all?

[Titus]

Unless they thought she was a PR maybe?

[Titus]

Y'all I'm gonna preempt whatever T3 is gonna say with: DO NOT QUICKLY REACT TO ANYTHING HE SAYS

He is extremely skilled at fake claims

Has T3 fake claimed before in this game? He can do well or bungle them. I've seen both.

[Titus]

I find T3's claim awfully convenient. T3 is usually a joker and a prankster. Here, he's pretending to be a straight (in terms of comedy) man. He once claimed to be a miller informed there was a two shot cop as VT.

He furthermore is suddenly arguing his soft innos are hard innos. This could easily be a trap to try and guess which one of Cheeky/RR is scum.

I think Chloe is town because of bad reads earlier.
I know I am town.
Dwlee feels townier from reactions.

That leaves RR Cheeky and T3.

That puts T3 in the position to double bus?

But then there's the chance T3 and Dwlee is s v s to have the other coast?

If T3 is town, then he's desperately fakeclaiming because he's panicked about having his hammer be the reason we lose the game. I doubt T3 is town because he's seen a games where such accidental hammer lost the game. I don't see why he'd repeat it.

[Titus]

I think a massclaim is a great idea. One thing is Meg was tracker. Do you think we have two invests in A?

We should see if T3 doubts Meg

[Titus]

Well shit. Her claim came post hammer

[Titus]

Meg was Tracker and RCE was JK, which has both protective and investigative utility. So that's a Lot of Town power if T3's telling the truth here...

Agreed. T3 is almost certainly fakeclaiming. The question is, for what purpose?

[Titus]

Amy, if T3 is fakeclaiming, do you feel there's any chance that he's town or is it one lie too many?

If T3 is scum, is this a bus or protect as many people as possible?

[Titus]

Ircher was a VT in A though I think

[Titus]

That's what post 1 says

[Titus]

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[Titus]

If I’m an invest in A, I 100% don’t waste it on Chloe.

Maybe he's a scum invest?

[Titus]

Yeah Ircher was VT. Tracker and jk are our PRs.

[Titus]

So, B has two invests then and A has tracker + jk.

@T3 exactly what kind of invest are you?

Game B only has 1 invest flipped?

[Titus]

Ircher is form 1040 which is VT?

[Titus]

Ircher was a VT in game b lol

Don’t confuse me. Which one did he flip vt and which one invest? Jingle writes these things so confusing.

Double VT.

[Titus]

I think we need to hear from T3 about why he fakeclaimed and why he hammered.

T3's desire to avoid questions and then comes out with a suspicious claim may be a stall tactic.

[Titus]

I'm referring to his soft inno nonsense as his fakeclaim.

The fact he hasn't claimed something before this makes me sus of him.

[Titus]

VT in both

I thought his role had something to do with a role I had seen in a previous game where one player had to write out their solve every night.

No worries, just help me find the other two scum besides T3.

[Titus]

I'm waiting until I hear the full claim to give proper judgement, but I do have very serious doubts

In an ideal world, this is the case but the things I find are making that difficult.

[Titus]

I don't see any reason why you can't elaborate yet. Surely you telling us the nature of your investigation and who you targeted won't change whatever result you get from the mod, and it would make it a lot easier to decide whether to trust you

I targeted Dwlee N3. If I had received that they were a Rolecop, then I would have asked everyone to claim. If Dwlee had claimed VT then I would know they were lying about being a Rolecop.

This means nothing. I am 99.9 percent sure you've seen a game where town had a strongman finder when scum had no strongman to begin with (it should be the game you claimed informed miller). To rely on this as heavily as you do is suspect.

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I am a Town Rolecop Finder in Game A.

Dunn, Chloe, and Dwlee are all not Rolecops.

Why do I die in A if scum has a rolecop?

That explains RCE but not me or Mastina. Both of us flipped vt.

Didn't RCE die night 1 so his death wouldn't be explained by a rolecop either?

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Amy, do you have an order for massclaim?

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Amy, do you have an order for massclaim?

Dunn, RR, Cheeky, you, Chloe since Dwelee and T3 have already claimed.

I'm fine with this.

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I'd still like a structured or popcorn but I'm too tired to fight.

I'm a VT.

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I haven't got around to B yet, so I can't say.

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I probably shouldn't be taking them individually as I feel that scum would want to fight for their buddies in other games but it's easier to go one at a time.

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Note to self: Driving to Tahoe in the winter sucks!

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Alright. Someone give me a run down of what we know in B

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I don't think mastina's bulletproof is why no kill on n1

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Of course I was a too late dingbat night 2. No further comment here.

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Note to self: Driving to Tahoe in the winter sucks!

Aw, you came out my general direction and didn't drop me a line?

I didn't consider that close enough. We can talk about this via PM considering I don't consider it game relevant.

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I want to take a reasonless strawpoll on eliminating Amy versus Dunn versus Rat (included by theoretical only) in the theme game. There must be at least one scum between them as I doubt RR fakes as town here.

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I'm not saying RR faked. Just theory here.

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If RR is truthful,

Radical Rat - Town
Amy Dunne - Arbitrary town in Dunn/Amy
mastina - 3p
Dunnstral - Scum
Titus - Town
Alyssa the Lamb - ?
Lady Chloe - Town bc dead
House - Unknown
T3 - Unknown

That leaves

Amy OR Dunn + House/T3/Alyssa

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Oh right

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I strongly feel mastina was a designated miselimination in this setup and was balanced around that.

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Or that mastina's presence was designed to fuck with the results.

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I feel like to control for mastina, we need to get mastina on record as to who she thinks scum is in each pairing

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Again, why is T3 town? So you have it between me/Dunn and now House/Alyssa? Neither of them were even on Dwelee. wtf?

RR's check on wagon swaps

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If RR is truthful,

Radical Rat - Town
Amy Dunne - Arbitrary town in Dunn/Amy
mastina - 3p
Dunnstral - Scum
Titus - Town
Alyssa the Lamb - ?
Lady Chloe - Town bc dead
House - Unknown
T3 - Unknown

That leaves

Amy OR Dunn + House/T3/Alyssa

if rr is truthful then i'm conftown

T3 is also Town. So it's Amy OR Dunn + House/T3/Alyssa

T3 is also Town. So it's Amy OR Dunn + House/Alyssa

EBWOP

Oh right

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We are near or at mech in game B if RR is town.

We can force a wagon once we decide who to eliminate.

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Let's suppose RR is town again,

Radical Rat - Town
T3 - Town
mastina - 3p
Titus - Town

Dunn
Amy

Alyssa the Lamb - ?
House - Unknown

We eliminate Amy/Dunn wrong
Scum shoot RR (worst case, protective is a dumbbutt or blocked) or scum block RR and shoot T3
Eliminate scum
Scum shoot me/RR/T3 (assuming RR and T3 dead for argument)

mastina, House, Alyssa, myself in melo.

If we get it right today it's mech.
If scum do not kill or block RR and there's a protective it's mech.

We should eliminate Amy or Dunn with the following wagon

Dunn- House/Alyssa, RR/T3, mastina T3/RR

OR

Amy - House/Alyssa, T3/RR, mastina, T3/RR

If 2 shifts, then the voter is town.
If 3 shifts, the first voter is scum.

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We are near or at mech in game B if RR is town.

We can force a wagon once we decide who to eliminate.

No, why can’t be town but wrong? Why is that impossible, especially since his results and Cheeky’s seem to be divergent?

Rephrase please

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Also, not thrilled that suddenly both of you are suddenly forgetting about A. I’m not going to let scum skate to a win.

Who is scum in A? RR? Titus? T3?

I think Dunn most likely but since I’m dead, I can’t vote him.

We literally were just discussing A yesterday, and someone asked me my thoughts on Game B. We're parsing through RR's results in Game B.

Who do you think is scum? House or Alyssa?

As for game A, I gave my thoughts yesterday.

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We are near or at mech in game B if RR is town.

We can force a wagon once we decide who to eliminate.

No, why can’t be town but wrong? Why is that impossible, especially since his results and Cheeky’s seem to be divergent?

Rephrase please

I’m not entirely clear on how this works but it looked to me that Cheeky had arrived at different results, so someone should compare and contrast those reads.

We can look at Cheeky's opinions sure but it's at mech

You or Dunn
House or Alyssa

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I'd be voting Amy right now based on her responses and the fact it would not fuck up game A but it screws up the mech in forcing scum's hand

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I could hammer Amy and it still works as long as Amy or Dunn vote each other.

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@Amy, you should still be able to vote Dunn in B.

If you think RR is town in B, then Dunn is confscum to you in B.

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I'd be voting Amy right now based on her responses and the fact it would not fuck up game A but it screws up the mech in forcing scum's hand

I honestly wouldn’t care except I will flip town.

But what really makes me angry is that I won’t get to solve A.

If you’re town in A, you will 100% regret voting me because I will find who’s scum.

So, you ignoring my questions about A, is starting to make me doubt you, in A.

I don’t want to be miselimed and A be a scum stomp because I’m dead and no longer get a say in that.

I haven't ignored you in A.
My positions are unchanged from yesterday.
I would like feedback on them.

Regardless, you should happy as Game B is mech for you as long as Dunn is eliminated.

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I also think we desperately need a scumflip in either game. If Dwlee is confscum in B, then let's take the win there and hope he's scum in A. If I understand the mechanics, I would expect very little known bussing. So if Dwlee is scum in B, then I would expect his partners to not vote him in either game. So Dwlee's flip would be useful in that way.

I would lim T3 at the moment for scum in A.

RR would be an ok lim for the VCA. Same as Dunn.

I would lim T3 at the moment for scum in A.

RR would be an ok lim for the VCA. Same as Dunn.

I find T3's claim awfully convenient. T3 is usually a joker and a prankster. Here, he's pretending to be a straight (in terms of comedy) man. He once claimed to be a miller informed there was a two shot cop as VT.

He furthermore is suddenly arguing his soft innos are hard innos. This could easily be a trap to try and guess which one of Cheeky/RR is scum.

I think Chloe is town because of bad reads earlier.
I know I am town.
Dwlee feels townier from reactions.

That leaves RR Cheeky and T3.

That puts T3 in the position to double bus?

But then there's the chance T3 and Dwlee is s v s to have the other coast?

If T3 is town, then he's desperately fakeclaiming because he's panicked about having his hammer be the reason we lose the game. I doubt T3 is town because he's seen a games where such accidental hammer lost the game. I don't see why he'd repeat it.

I think we need to hear from T3 about why he fakeclaimed and why he hammered.

T3's desire to avoid questions and then comes out with a suspicious claim may be a stall tactic.

Also, not thrilled that suddenly both of you are suddenly forgetting about A. I’m not going to let scum skate to a win.

Who is scum in A? RR? Titus? T3?

I think Dunn most likely but since I’m dead, I can’t vote him.

We literally were just discussing A yesterday, and someone asked me my thoughts on Game B. We're parsing through RR's results in Game B.

Who do you think is scum? House or Alyssa?

As for game A, I gave my thoughts yesterday.

I'd be voting Amy right now based on her responses and the fact it would not fuck up game A but it screws up the mech in forcing scum's hand

I honestly wouldn’t care except I will flip town.

But what really makes me angry is that I won’t get to solve A.

If you’re town in A, you will 100% regret voting me because I will find who’s scum.

So, you ignoring my questions about A, is starting to make me doubt you, in A.

I don’t want to be miselimed and A be a scum stomp because I’m dead and no longer get a say in that.

I haven't ignored you in A.
My positions are unchanged from yesterday.
I would like feedback on them.

Regardless, you should happy as Game B is mech for you as long as Dunn is eliminated.

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Amy, acting like I ignored you is bullshit when I said my opinions were unchanged from yesterday.

You started deflecting onto Game A when I asked you who out of House or Alyssa is scum.

I repeat myself. Who is scum, House or Alyssa?

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I would lim T3 at the moment for scum in A.

RR would be an ok lim for the VCA. Same as Dunn.

What if he’s telling the truth? I mean if T3 is buddies with Dunn, he really doesn’t help Dunn at all with this claim.

Faking an inno on your buddy certainly helps them.

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Amy, acting like I ignored you is bullshit when I said my opinions were unchanged from yesterday.

You started deflecting onto Game A when I asked you who out of House or Alyssa is scum.

I repeat myself. Who is scum, House or Alyssa?

I missed it. I don’t have an answer. I have reasons for thinking both could be town here.

Then let's talk it out.

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Why does T3 investigate you if he's town?

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Amy, in Game B, I have only seen what has happened since my sub in. So from my perspective, none of you have done anything. Then, when I press you in B, you start talking about A and ignoring my replies.

As for A solve, I haven't seen a reference sample for Cheeky. I agree I don't like Dunn in either game. Dwlee grew on me. T3 claiming innos colors minds, which is very helpful for scum.

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Why does T3 investigate you if he's town?

When did he investigate me? Did I miss something?

I confused you for Chloe. Modify this question please.

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RR, what's your solve in A?

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You said he investigated me, where?

You missed my correction.

You keep missing my replies in an urge to speak with me. Please slow down. It will save frustration.

Can you case Dunn in both games?

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Did RCE suspect RR in the interest of completion?

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RR, what's your solve in A?

Either T3/Dunn/Cheeky or Dwlee/Dunn/Cheeky

Leaning towards the Dwlee side of things because T3's claim is just such a weird and specific one to fake. But I strongly townread both you and Chloe, so it has to be one of those teams.

Why do you TR me?

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Oh also Ircher in the Game 2 hood brought up the point that Dwlee could have claimed prematurely in Game 2 so that they'd get a free townread in Game 1, which... Is exactly what happened.

I kinda like Dwlee's response to T3's claim. I have more experience with T3 lying than you do.

I could go for Dunn Cheeky though.

Comments on Amy/Dunn and Alyssa/House?

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RR, what's your solve in A?

Either T3/Dunn/Cheeky or Dwlee/Dunn/Cheeky

Leaning towards the Dwlee side of things because T3's claim is just such a weird and specific one to fake. But I strongly townread both you and Chloe, so it has to be one of those teams.

Why do you TR me?

Inherited from A50 mostly, but you haven't done anything scummy since your replace in.

Why were you townreading A50?

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You said he investigated me, where?

You missed my correction.

You keep missing my replies in an urge to speak with me. Please slow down. It will save frustration.

Can you case Dunn in both games?

We have two players in A who claim 3p. Of both Dunn and Mastina, she’s been actively solving and him referencing her for claiming 3p bothered me because didn’t he also claim that as well?

I also think that both of them can’t be town aligned, so either Dunn is mafia or 3p scum.

As for A, he voted T3 for being confused in a game where it makes perfect sense to be confused in. So I’d probably lim Dunn next in both games.

Your vote in B would be helpful, even if it has no effect in A.

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We have to be careful, you don't.

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Given the near total lack of overlap, if we follow my plan, we can safely eliminate Dunn in B without impacting A due to lack of overlap in living players.

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Yes. I do.

What those comments mean is that your vote only counts in Game B so it won't effect elo in A and Dunn is confscum to you. As long as we get 1 of House/Alyssa on we are good. They don't overlap with A either.

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Given the near total lack of overlap, if we follow my plan, we can safely eliminate Dunn in B without impacting A due to lack of overlap in living players.

Why tf wouldn’t you want to vote him in A?

You keep making posts like this that make me think it could be you.

I do want to vote him in A but elo has to be played differently.

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Keeping them in separate day/night phases also leaves no outs. Each vote in A is 100% about A.

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Yes. I do.

What those comments mean is that your vote only counts in Game B so it won't effect elo in A and Dunn is confscum to you. As long as we get 1 of House/Alyssa on we are good. They don't overlap with A either.

Do you think Dunn is town in either? I don’t like that you don’t want to vote him in A, since based on my solve he’s extremely likely to be scum in both.

Again, you're misunderstanding. I want Dunn dead in A. I just want him dead

in a particular way

.

If we eliminate him in B first, then we can get pairings of which to play off of much easier as if it was traditional elo.

If we eliminate him in A first, then we likely eliminate him in B too greatly reducing the information in both games.

In short, I want to leverage B to resolve both A and B.

If no one gets it, I'm totally fine straight voting Dunn.

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A particular vote order gets Dunn dead in both games which means survival in A and a mech solve in B.

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Titus, do you have a failsafe if RR happens to be scum fake claiming?

Ftr I believe that there is pretty strong odds that RR is scum in A based on the timing that he outed this information

Not exactly. Yet, it's not really worth considering until a miselimination (if there is one).

If we hit paydirt on Amy/Dunn, then RR can only pursue two miseliminations (Alyssa and House) and he'd need them both. The other of Amy/Dunn and T3 become conftown. It's not a strong move for RR to bus with that claim.

If we miss in Amy/Dunn, then we get into elo (provided no blocked kill) with Amy/Dunn/RR containing one scum. RR has to claim result or blocked. If he claims a result, his perspective is locked provided one and only one of Alyssa/House are on the wagon.

It's a very narrow route for RR, which I really only see in an RR+T3 universe.

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Yes. I do.

What those comments mean is that your vote only counts in Game B so it won't effect elo in A and Dunn is confscum to you. As long as we get 1 of House/Alyssa on we are good. They don't overlap with A either.

Do you think Dunn is town in either? I don’t like that you don’t want to vote him in A, since based on my solve he’s extremely likely to be scum in both.

Again, you're misunderstanding. I want Dunn dead in A. I just want him dead

in a particular way

.

If we eliminate him in B first, then we can get pairings of which to play off of much easier as if it was traditional elo.

If we eliminate him in A first, then we likely eliminate him in B too greatly reducing the information in both games.

In short, I want to leverage B to resolve both A and B.

If no one gets it, I'm totally fine straight voting Dunn.

Well that you’re right about I don’t get this. We should just straight up double flip him, so I don’t understand what you think separating the flips solve?

Also Dunn is playing very differently here than in ELSM.

The method we double flip him gets more information. That's all. It seems like you don't understand mech, so I'll punt on this and try to explain again later and return to normal hunting.

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Ok. RR explain to me the Demon Lord and how it implicates House in B if Dunn is town?

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@Amy, Why do you yhink Cheeky is an easy miselimination in A but Dunn isn't?

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Titus, do you have a failsafe if RR happens to be scum fake claiming?

Ftr I believe that there is pretty strong odds that RR is scum in A based on the timing that he outed this information

Not exactly. Yet, it's not really worth considering until a miselimination (if there is one).

If we hit paydirt on Amy/Dunn, then RR can only pursue two miseliminations (Alyssa and House) and he'd need them both. The other of Amy/Dunn and T3 become conftown. It's not a strong move for RR to bus with that claim.

If we miss in Amy/Dunn, then we get into elo (provided no blocked kill) with Amy/Dunn/RR containing one scum. RR has to claim result or blocked. If he claims a result, his perspective is locked provided one and only one of Alyssa/House are on the wagon.

It's a very narrow route for RR, which I really only see in an RR+T3 universe.

Ok, so if you have my name first, should I assume you want to vote me first, despite the fact that I’m actively solving and Dunn isn’t doing fuck all?

No. Your name being first is arbitrary, alphabetical order. Same way I refer to Alyssa/House.

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Like you keep telling me I should vote Dunn but unless you plan to actually join me on that, it makes no sense, especially since I can’t even vote in A.

I do plan on voting Dunn but not next to you for RR's results.

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Why can’t me and Dunn hypothetically both be town and Alyssa and House both be scum?

Mech. RR's results would be a lie/faked.

RR's results say there's a scum in you/Dunn and Alyssa/House/me.

So either that's true or RR lied.

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Unless RR is fakeclaiming town, Alyssa plus House cannot be scum.

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Has Alyssa/RCE even voted in games A and B?

That's concerning. Remind me to smack A50 upside the head if that's true post game.

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Like you keep telling me I should vote Dunn but unless you plan to actually join me on that, it makes no sense, especially since I can’t even vote in A.

I do plan on voting Dunn but not next to you for RR's results.

I still don’t understand them or why RR auto believes that DL is unaligned. How does that even make sense? DL was on Meg wagon which Dunn controls DL, so of course it has to be aligned, so Dunn is probably scum from that.

Demon Lord is not a player slot. Demon Lord is like a hated status on a player.

Cheeky, now RR's role, now determines how many times an alignment shifted on a wagon.

Town, Demon Lord, Scum is one wagon shift

I'm not 100%sure on Dunn being scum, but I feel that elimination puts us in the best position if we structure it the right way.

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Random analogy Amy, do you read music?

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Random analogy Amy, do you read music?

A little, why?

You know how sometimes there's the really long arc that says to hold a note?

That's the Demon Lord in terms of Cheeky and RR's role

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House is town.
I wonder if Titus agrees.

Need more data.

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My apologies RR.

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MegAzumarill (E-0):[/b]

Demon Lord

, House, mastina, CheekyTeeky, T3, Radical Rat, Dwlee99, HAMMER!

We know 4 alignment changes. Let's run it supposing Demon Lord is (1) auto scum, (2) never a change and (3) always a change. I'm excluding autotown based on Dunn's claim.

If DL is scum we get...

Scum to House (?)to mastina (?1) to Cheeky (?2) to T3 (?2?) to RR (?2??) to Dwelee (?2???).

If we suppose House is town then...
Scum to House (1) to mastina (2) to Cheeky (3) that's impossible. If the Demon Lord registers as scum in the chain, House is scum.

If House is scum and DL scum then
mastina (1) Cheeky (2) T3 - scum (3) RR - town(4) Dwelee
Or
Swap T3 and RR.

So the only way the DL vote can process as scum is if Dunn is lying or mistaken town and the team is House+T3/RR.

DL processing as scum is highly unlikely given how Dunn has played the claim and the logic therefrom.

DL stays the same

House to mastina (1) to Cheeky (2) to T3 (2?) to RR (2??) to Dwlee (2???)

If town House, then we don't get enough changes.
If scum House, then we don't get enough changes.

DL must change or have an alignment

IF DL autochanges

DL to House (1) to mastina (2) to Cheeky (3)

One of RR and T3 should be scum to net the 4th change...

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RR answer your analysis on how T3 must be town here step by step

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Ignore that.

*throws paper at wall*

I had Dwelee as town in my notes.

Recalculating

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MegAzumarill (E-0):[/b]

Demon Lord

, House, mastina, CheekyTeeky, T3, Radical Rat, Dwlee99, HAMMER!

We know 4 alignment changes. Let's run it supposing Demon Lord is (1) auto scum, (2) never a change and (3) always a change. I'm excluding autotown based on Dunn's claim.

If DL is scum we get...

Scum to House (?)to mastina (?1) to Cheeky (?2) to T3 (?2?) to RR (?2??) to Dwelee (?2???).

If we suppose RR is town, then we get

?12??3

Sub assumption Town House means T3 town.
Sub assumption Scum House needs scum T3.

If the DL processes as scum and RR is town, then Dunn would have to lie as town. Not happening.

If RR scum, then we get not enough changes.
Town House we get to Cheeky with 3 changes. Either way T3 unknown.
Scum House then we get to Cheeky with 2 changes which leaves not a possibility.

RR and House cannot be scum together if the DL resolves as scum.

If DL is not a change

Then the only scenario that fits is RR and T3.

If the DL is an auto change...

Dl to h1, h to m2, m to c3, c to D4.

If Autochange RR and T3 must be town.

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Yeah, so I was a Universal Backup, and I'm Cheeky now.

Dwlee wagon once again has 4 alignment changes. Before and after Demon Lord accounts for two, and mastina's hammer for three. So that's one change unaccounted for.

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Dwlee99 (E-0):

Amy Dunne, Lady Chloe,

Demon Lord

, Dunnstral, T3, mastina,

If RR town, 4 changes

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If autochange like RR says (and Dunn can verify) then

A to L ?, L to DL 1, DL to D 2, D to T3?, T3 to mastina 3.
If A town then, A to L 0, L to DL 1, DL to D2, D to T3?, T3 to m3. If A town D scum.
If A scum then, A to L1, L to DL 2, DL to D3, D to T3?, T3 to m4.

If autochange for DL is in place (like claimed by Dunn) then RR and T3 must be town.
This makes RR's claim true as he wouldn't gamethrow as to the number of changes.

The only way A and D can share an alignment is if D is somehow lying or mistaken about the DL.

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House is town.
I wonder if Titus agrees.

Need more data.

^ see this?

Yet she hammered me without so much as a single interaction in game A.

I don't see how it's not obvious she's scum in A.

That was an accident.

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What are your thoughts on game A House?
Your thoughts on Game B?

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We can rule out any such nonsense of autoflipping scum for DL because that would require an outright lie by Dunn.

An outright lie by Dunn nets the only possible setup in Cheeky's result is scum House and scum T3 or scum RR with town House. An outright lie by Dunn means he's only partners with RR. Putting Dunn lying in astronomically low territory.

We might have #misunderstoodDunn, which nets RR and T3.

So we have #correctRR/Dunn which leads to the prevailing theory.

Long story short, here are the only universes I'll accept in no particular order

Amy and Alyssa
Amy and House
Dunn and Alyssa
Dunn and House
Dunn and RR
RR and T3 (pending confirmation from Dunn, this will likely be impossible)

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Scratch that, there are two other moonlogic scenarios I will take, Amy or Dunn with mastina lying about 3p. I highly doubt this one but it's Math valid.

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Sorry for the transgression, but we're flipping Dunn.

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Titus, since you obviously know House is town in A and you also know that he correctly read you in both FFIV and Stumps, what do you make of his read on you here?

I feel pretty strongly that it's spite driven in A given that his only rationale is my mistake and hammering in one game is not related to another game and that's the only thing he's referenced.

In B, he's said nothing which tells me that he's not even attempting to read my or anyone's content. I have him a hair less likely to be scum than Alyssa/RCE but not by much. Alyssa and RCE not voting is a huge concern and mastina's early reads suggest that as a possibility too, if we're assuming (which I'm not 100% sure of), that mastina's bp was hit.

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I think RR is lying though. The DL vote went from automatically being the first vote on the wagon regardless of vote time to being in the middle of the pack like a normal vote. This happened after Cheeky died. Or maybe the mod is just inconsistent?

Crap. You're right. I shouldn't do math that late at night.

It is possible that the fourth change occurs before or after T3. We do know that T3 can only be scum with RR.

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Pretty sure Dunn is just scum in both games and people are jockeying for who to vote next.

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I'm not a fan of that. Let's get the scumflip then the NKs. Then we can argue about who to kill next.

VOTE: Dunn

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Part of the problem here is we have too many slots basically not participating.

Dunn and Cheeky in game A just got prodded. Feels like scum trying to get us to rip our own throats out.

Alyssa has done zilch since I arrived. House isn't solving either but bitching due to an accident. Only one of them can be scum in B though. So we need to do something to get the town one to contribute.

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I'm not bitching, just stating a plain fact.

You're scum in A. *shrug*

Where's your hunting in their game?

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*both games?

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Idk what you're expecting me to do when Game A is waiting on claims and Game B is knee deep in setup nonsense

Give me your current opinion without the claims. I think it's just Cheeky left.

In B, you can read people based off their play.

Give me something. Anything.

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I'm not bitching, just stating a plain fact.

You're scum in A. *shrug*

Where's your hunting in their game?

I don't care about B. Just like I didn't care about C.

Just like I didn't care about A until you obvscummed.

You were scum in C. If you don't care about B "just like" C, then you're scum claiming in B.

As for A, you're just being bitter.

[Titus]

It's rather frustrating too given our record. If you'd talk to engage me in A, you'd see that I'm town that made a mistake.

[Titus]

If I am misinterpreting you, why join games you don't care to play?

[Titus]

Why?

[Titus]

Do you think RR is trying to leverage Dunn being obvscum in game A to set up a 1 v 1 with Amy in Game B?

[Titus]

Otherwise, I can't see RR's claim as a lie AND Dunn being town in B.

If RR is lying and bussing, it's a step we can deal with after we deal with elo hell in Game A.

[Titus]

Alright then, why do you think Dunn is likely my partner? Why does Scum!Rat try to set up an elaborate fakeclaim that forces a 1v1 between my partner and a Townie, guaranteeing Dunn's death either this phase or the next?

Scum!Rat with T3 doesn't go through that. That's my bet if you're scum which I doubt you are.

[Titus]

Tell me how an RR+Dunn team wins game B if things stay the same

I don't think they ever do without RR gaining endgame cred somehow

Here's the problem with RR+Dunn.

RR goes for Amy first. He particularly would jump on my conflict with Amy. Poking and prodding me that Amy was scum for refusing to engage in B.

RR then must kill T3 because conftown.

RR would then have to bus Dunn. Then he'd probably try to kill me.

Then RR would have to hope mastina sides with him. mastina would be kingmaker.

That's the best plan for RR + Dunn.

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RR bussing Dunn today creates an additional conftown and removes a miselimination.

If RR is scum, he doesn't put his partner in a 1 v 1 without going after the other one.

[Titus]

Real question Titus

What do you think is the gameplan of any scumteam that includes Dunn?

How about any that includes Amy?

Assuming RR town, get doubt on RR and play for 2 miseliminations in Alyssa/House/RR.

Otherwise, flip the other of Amy/Dunn and run the gamut like I explained using mastina as kingmaker.

[Titus]

Ignore the claim, Titus

Assume it's the very start of the day

? I would assume that RR and Dunn would have done the math on RR's claim prior to day entry. Sure, that team would need to shake things up, but not to the point of near autoloss.

If it was RR +Dunn, I would expect a different claim from RR as RR has virtually no chance if Dunn flips scum.

[Titus]

RR would have to depend on miseliminating both you and House, which is possible.

RR + Dunn has a better chance if RR attacks Amy first.

[Titus]

Do you think Dunn is town in A?

[Titus]

Titus, I really think it’s beyond freaking obvious that House actually does think you’re scum in A. As flipped town on A, why do you autoassume that he’s sr you based off of emotional reasons?

Because I literally just beat him in a hotly contested game and I made a mistake here. Emotions color reads thoughts and feelings. We are not logical creatures. House's steadfast refusal to discuss anything else suggests bias is at play and I can't engage someone who steadfastly refuses. So I ignore his bias and scumhunt.

[Titus]

I think house is getting more obv scum in B like he'd rather tunnel Titus than figure out what's going on in the game he's in. I don't think the A50 slot is ever scum and I'm sad he repped out because I don't think Titus can read me for shir, no offense.

I agree with the first sentence. The second is ad hominem.

Why should I TR you Cheeky?

[Titus]

I think house is getting more obv scum in B like he'd rather tunnel Titus than figure out what's going on in the game he's in. I don't think the A50 slot is ever scum and I'm sad he repped out because I don't think Titus can read me for shir, no offense.

I agree with the first sentence. The second is ad hominem.

Why should I TR you Cheeky?

Because I'm town?

What positive things have you done? Who is scum setting you up?

[Titus]

Right so I can't explain until home from work, but basically, in game 1, T3 is confirmed as town with every player claiming VT.

More than that, it's highly likely that the scumteam has 2-3 rolecops, probably 2, and that T3's results are designed to function a lot like a cop but with the potential for them to have what amounts to a scum godfather in the bunch if it's only 2 scum rolecops.

I'll explain why when home.

That'd be great because I'm thinking the inverse.

[Titus]

I’m again going to say again, that this is a real read because he’s asking Titus to explain it.

He asked why I hammered. I said it was a mistake. He's still ragey. It's emotional.

I don't see what else is to be explained or that could be.

[Titus]

I think house is getting more obv scum in B like he'd rather tunnel Titus than figure out what's going on in the game he's in. I don't think the A50 slot is ever scum and I'm sad he repped out because I don't think Titus can read me for shir, no offense.

I agree with the first sentence. The second is ad hominem.

Why should I TR you Cheeky?

Because I'm town?

What positive things have you done? Who is scum setting you up?

Obviously not much since I'm still alive at Elo lol. I don't know, are you trying to set me up now? Don't tell me A50 gave me a rotten banana.

Then do something...

[Titus]

House, if logical, would see that I'd gain nothing from a quickhammer as scum because it would never silence him.

[Titus]

Why would House need to be gamethrowing in A to be blinded by his emotions? I'm arguing he's wrong but not trying to lose.

[Titus]

That’s possible but I still think he believes his read on you. I believe that more than that he’s throwing A to win B at any rate.

I never accused him of fabrication.

[Titus]

Regardless of Titus' alignment in B, she has to "scumread" me in order to advance her win con in A because the sooner I'm silenced, the more likely the heat will die off her.

That's utter shit and flies in the face of what I'm actually doing in B. In B, I'm trying to get Dunn eliminated and scumreading you there would keep you alive as you wouldn't be shot.

[Titus]

Regardless of Titus' alignment in B, she has to "scumread" me in order to advance her win con in A because the sooner I'm silenced, the more likely the heat will die off her.

That's utter shit and flies in the face of what I'm actually doing in B. In B, I'm trying to get Dunn eliminated and scumreading you there would keep you alive as you wouldn't be shot.

I have no clue what your agenda is in B.

My problem with your play is in Game A.

Then why, aside from my hammer, is your first move discrediting me in B? Why do you have no comment on Amy/Dunn/RR?

[Titus]

My vote was an attempt to sort you. I even bolded L minus 1.

[Titus]

Also, if you don't care about B, why argue that whatever read I had is wrong because I'd essentially throw B to win A?

[Titus]

I don't think house is scum in A obviously, I think he's probably scum in B. I am getting a bit paranoid about Titus in A because I use houses' read of Titus as a soul read in other games, I'm hesitant because I'm pretty confident that slot is town in all games.

House has been wrong on me before. He townread me initially in Lemon Demon very strongly and shifted later to be correct.

That's why I feel like he would come around if forced.

[Titus]

I don't think house is scum in A obviously, I think he's probably scum in B. I am getting a bit paranoid about Titus in A because I use houses' read of Titus as a soul read in other games, I'm hesitant because I'm pretty confident that slot is town in all games.

House has been wrong on me before. He townread me initially in Lemon Demon very strongly and shifted later to be correct.

That's why I feel like he would come around if forced.

Strange way to talk about someone you think is scum.

I don't think you're scum in A.

I think you or Alyssa is scum in B.

[Titus]

Dunnstral votes me after Dwlee99 highlights the elo vote. It's like he's not reading anything but trying to survive.

[Titus]

He's also not commenting that from his perspective at least one of RR or Amy must be scum.

[Titus]

If it were fake, I'd expect a slightly stronger inno, or perhaps a fake guilty to easily win Elo.

Valid point.

Hmmm..I don't think either one easily wins elo because it's elo and there's a lot of town power listed. If T3 is town, I'm more inclined to think his role is a red herring.

[Titus]

Scum in game A are Titus, Amy, and then 1 more from the group who heavily pushed miselims and won't look inwards

Amy is dead town in game A

Agreed. I'm also curious as who he defines in this latter group, given his "accidental" Amy FoS.

[Titus]

@Amy, Any vote in one is a vote in the other...

[Titus]

@Amy, Any vote in one is a vote in the other...

He can't just vote me in A...

[Titus]

I hate having to vote in elo early but to me it's rather obvious Dunn is scum in both games and I have suspicion on me. Those who are suspected imo should vote first in elo. I have my own theory on how voting in elo should work, but it's never been adopted.

I think Dwelee and Chloe are town. I don’t believe mastina's setup spec but I am open to T3 being town. I see things like Lemon Demon but I also see things like Deco. I also don't see T3's tone matching what I see of him from the past. These things weigh on my mind. Dwlee's skepticism feels genuine and I agree with it. I do see some scumhunting which is more than I see from Dunn and Cheeky. RR I waffle on being town or scum. I also see some hunting from him but acknowledge the timing of his claim is convienent but he's likely town in B.

[Titus]

? *confused* Who said your claim wasn't hard?

[Titus]

Why do you have LC in your scum pool?

[Titus]

I don’t believe mastina's setup spec but I am open to T3 being town.

You should.

While T3 may not be as strong as I believe he should be (it's possible for goon x3, or single rolecop, rather than my assumed double rolecop), he's never scum here in Game A/1.

And the only way he'd be scum in Game B/2 is if RR is, so...

I only have T3 as town if scum have zero rolecops ala Deco.

[Titus]

But there are 4 people in my list

If I remove LC that means 3 and there are 3 scum?

I want to know your thought process, not just mechanics. I don't care about looking good. I care about winning. Ok, that means I care some about looking good because elo but...

[Titus]

Tsly

Who? Lady?

[Titus]

That's a good sign for my reads that Chloe voted Dunn.

[Titus]

In b4, Titus was bussing Dunn.

[Titus]

In b4, Titus was bussing Dunn.

Not something you're fond of I know... but you do love to distance up to the edge of the cliff, and if you're mate happens to fall in... well, oops.

I protect my babies. I resent this.

I have bussed in elo before, but my buddy slipped there sooo

[Titus]

In b4 Dunn flips town and I get another game under my belt to shove in people's faces over my Titus reads.

You mean lemon demon where you townread me out of the gate? You get lucky sometimes but you're wrong here.

[Titus]

In b4 Dunn flips town and I get another game under my belt to shove in people's faces over my Titus reads.

You mean lemon demon where you townread me out of the gate? You get lucky sometimes but you're wrong here.

I always treat you as town up until the moment I call you scum. Nothing strange there.

Nice try. Just be prepared for the egg.

[Titus]

Hey, I'll vote with the intent to sort. You're not special because you're my friend.

[Titus]

I treated the game A PT as a neighborhood for Game B. RR has my role.

[Titus]

Can I still post or is that it for me?

Until the mod flips you

[Titus]

House, you have 1 post. Am I town in B? Yes or No.

[Titus]

House, you have 1 post. Am I town in B? Yes or No.

Objection! Counsel is testifying.

I have 115 posts.

You are being granted 1 more post to answer the following: Am I town or scum in B?

[Titus]

Also, I'm headed up to Tahoe next month pm for details

[Titus]

Dunn, who is scum? Alyssa or House?

[Titus]

@House, RR is a claimed backup wagon sensor. He claims that after Dunn's flip, we can all vote in a certain order. If we do, he'll investigation that wagon and win.

[Titus]

With a claim like that, his continued existence tomorrow with a dead body popping up overnight would put him at the top of my scumreads, tbh.

Ok. Legit doesn't matter if we hit scum Dunn today and RR claims blocked.

[Titus]

We still get scum Amy tomorrow and then proceed from there.

[Titus]

Then if Amy is the blocker, we force an RR v House or Alyssa most likely.

[Titus]

That leaves scum being forced to kill me in your scenario House.

[Titus]

That leaves scum being forced to kill me in your scenario House.

A T3 kill doesn't work because that confirms RR as town, thanks to Cheeky's result.

[Titus]

T3 you're up to vote.

[Titus]

In what world does a town investigative claim without useful information?

Was he at E-1 when he claimed?

I don't trust his cock and bull story.

The interesting thing is that it doesn't have to be trusted.

Scum Dunn world

RR scum cannot exist because it invalidates Cheeky's result. T3 and RR share an alignment and 4 scum is too many with a 3p.

So that makes Amy T3 RR and I conftown with one scum in you/Alyssa. Mastina is still 3p. Scum lose this setup.

Town Dunn World

It's either RR plus T3 or Amy plus Alyssa or House.
Scum can't shoot T3 without confirming RR as town. So that means I'll be shot as the only non pooled person.

-----RR result, I live
If RR claims a result, then he narrows the game further by confirming either Alyssa or House as conftown. Mastina in the game. This means RR + T3 versus Amy plus 1 of Alyssa/House.

mastina + the other of house/Alyssa and I are conftown. Mastina likely townsides as her wincon has yet to be met.

If we flip RR in that scenario, we confirm the team is either RR plus T3 or Amy plus House or Alyssa.

My survival buys us the miselimination to confirm the game.

-----I live, RR blocked

RR + T3 versus Amy plus House or Alyssa

Flip RR. If RR scum, then T3 concede.
Flip RR. If town, scum shoot T3.
Amy flipped as confscum. Scum shoots me.
House versus Alyssa --- mastina is tiebreaker.

Flip Amy. If town, scum shoot me. Flip RR plus T3 as confscum.
Flip Amy. If scum, then Alyssa or House. T3 and RR conftown. Scum lose.

If I live, the game is over for the scumteam.

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If I fail to live and RR gets a result, then it's

RR + T3 v Amy plus one of House/Alyssa
mastina and the other of House/Alyssa must agree.

Then mastina holds ultimate tiebreaker.

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If there is no protective role or strongman exists and RR fails to get a result, then we enter

RR + T3 versus Amy and one of House/Alyssa.
mastina serves as a tiebreaker. Even if House and Alyssa agree, they still need mastina.

mastina and the town in house/alyssa must agree.

The only difference in these two scenarios is that we don't know who is town.

[Titus]

Now we just need Amy to hammer.

[Titus]

If I live, we flip Amy tomorrow.

[Titus]

Taking this further, let's say scum shoot RR in town Dunn world (why and how?), they confirm Amy scum. They confirm the last scum is in Alyssa/House.

We get a 50/50.

[Titus]

god RR was so transparently scum

I mean.

They were my preferred vote for a reason.

Teehee. Titus the tank ftw.

[Titus]

There's a reason I voted when I did. It would have been correct play to force RR to vote first as he was under even more suspicion than me.

[Titus]

Disagree mastina. We can talk after B.

[Titus]

You are forgetting that town has two investigatives which guilty two of the scumteam. It's theoretically possible that the scumteam is down to 1 scum viable at the end of day 3. They have no way to stop investigators at all. Knowing about a PR isn't a counter to a PR. That's just knowing a way you're screwed.

[Titus]

@mastina, I'm not arguing this with you right now. We have Game B to solve.

[Titus]

Back to the drawing board.

Cheeky PR claimed night 1
I know RR had hard claimed night 1 in response.
Scum shot not cheeky and not RR.

I don't see why scum RR doesn't kill Cheeky but instead kills blindly. If scum flips a VT, RR is powerless and his fakeclaim is worthless. You could argue an RR mastina powerplay with scum deliberately no killing. That feels a bit farcical. It's more likely scum shot mastina or another person who had protection rather than no killing.

Thus RR is likely town.

[Titus]

We being the town and not mastina, in fact

Unless she is lying, she has to get 1 more scum to win.