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because he's Frisian and I had to look up where that was.In post 14, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Kaze, why is the Myko vote good?-
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obscene gestureIn post 18, Plum wrote:raised eyebrow
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Tammy hasn't posted yet?
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VOTE: Bert
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Yep, scum.In post 39, Bert wrote:I'm someone named Annie lionhart
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WIFOM. Not helping your case.In post 45, pieguyn wrote:but if F-16 and I were scum would we really buddy each other out in the open like this?-
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You JUST said that flavour didn't matter, Brian. The fuck?In post 54, Brian Skies wrote:In his first post, for a character that is likely to be a miller.
Although, I'm extremely curious as to what a weak miller is.-
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I have my reasons.In post 58, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Kaze, your reaction seems very different from your reaction to Brian claiming miller in Pitoli's last game. Why?-
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This reads like you don't want to be mistaken for WhiteKnighting Bert. Why do you seem so concerned about your appearance?In post 64, Brian Skies wrote:I'm not saying Bert is conf-town or anything. I'm just saying that his character is likely to be set-up as a miller trap (or he could just be fake-claiming). And I'd rather we avoid judging people solely on flavor because the mod already warned us not to.-
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Dude, Annie murdered her own teammates to steal their removal gear so she wouldn't get busted for sabotaging the Titans research. Grey area, it is not. She's bad news.In post 72, Brian Skies wrote:Didn't realize this was based on the manga. Haven't read it.
Regarding Pie, I do understand where he's coming from based on how the first season of the anime ends. They don't explicitly say what Annie's true intentions were and it looked like a pretty big grey area.
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Maneuver gear, rather. I may be playing MtG whilst reading this. >.>In post 73, Kazekirimaru wrote:
Dude, Annie murdered her own teammates to steal their removal gear so she wouldn't get busted for sabotaging the Titans research. Grey area, it is not. She's bad news.In post 72, Brian Skies wrote:Didn't realize this was based on the manga. Haven't read it.
Regarding Pie, I do understand where he's coming from based on how the first season of the anime ends. They don't explicitly say what Annie's true intentions were and it looked like a pretty big grey area.
Alas, this is likely a distraction.
Anyway, Brian, do you think flavour is relevant here or no? I'm not sure where you stand on this since you seem to be arguing for both sides.-
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See, what gives me pause is this:
It sounds like he realized he said too much in some respect and tried to correct himself by saying he was no different from a normal miller.In post 39, Bert wrote:I'm someone named Annie lionhart
Weak human miller aka miller
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Alrighty then. I'm not exactly just going to take your word for it, though.In post 91, Kagami wrote:Don't fish for this kaze, he's legit.
I was putting pressure on Bert hoping to get something out of him. I don't actually have a strong read on him yet though at the time I actually kinda liked how he dropped the claim and took off. Made me feel like he was doing it for reactions more than anything. All this jazz is kinda moot now that the "Weak" modifier talk is going on, though.In post 92, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:I found Kaze's initial reaction scummy becuase he was a lot more cautious to a previous miller claim. However, his insistence in the Boat game that a miller claim is not null followed by his push on Bert here actually makes a lot more sense as town because he seems to have differing reactions based on each claim. He doesn't believe that it is actually null, and in this game, he seems to believe that it is scummy. Kaze, I would like to know what your reasons are and how you differentiate the miller claims.-
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Why are you so sure there's a third?In post 95, Kagami wrote:Don't worry kaze, I'll explain everything and we can revisit it once we get a third claimant, or it's clear that there is no third claimant.
I'd also ask that Bert, when he returns, mentions nothing about the weak discussion when he returns, even if he finds it confusing. I would really like to get a third claim before anything is revealed or any further public analysis occurs, which may well be setup-breaking. I think it's quite possible that this slipped through the setup review process.
And, really? A game-breaking aspect of the setup that was missed byfourdifferent people? Unlikely. I find this all too hard to believe.-
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<3In post 103, Bert wrote: I've never watched this show or played this game (whichever this is). I just joined because Kaze joined haha and because it looked fun.
Would you like to confirm this, Bert? If this is all true, I'll be on my merry way with two confirmed townies today.In post 108, Kagami wrote:Ok, here's what weak means:
You do not have maneuver gear.
In the advertisement for the game, it specifically says that the HUMAN faction gets maneuver gear, so it makes no sense for the scum, who already lack the gear, to get the special prefix.
I understand now, though. You didn't want to say before others claimed. Because claiming weak was essentially a townslip.-
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I don't see how you cannot have an opinion on the discussion considering all that has transpired.In post 115, Paschendale wrote: I'm not really sure what to make of all this "weak" discussion. It might be legit, but it also might be a lot of rolefishing.-
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You could accidentally hint at someone's reads being right or wrong making statements like this in certain moments. Just saying.In post 119, pitoli wrote:Just a friendly reminder: Character flavor does not determine alignment, and the game is not breakable by flavor. Additionally, scum factions have been equipped with safe fakeclaims. Thanks!-
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You think he has a "Weak Human Miller" fakeclaim, eh?In post 123, Kagami wrote: K, I still think bert is town, but my assumptions were false. No conftowns-
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No. Town or scum I'd be rather upset if there was some aspect of the setup that would break the game. I came here to play Mafia and have fun. Breaking games is not fun.In post 128, pieguyn wrote: if you're town I'd expect you would take more of an interest in smth like this. the fact you wouldn't be more interested in this feels skeevy as fuck. I don't buy that you think there might not be a 3rd (there were 2 claims with only like 3 or 4 people actively discussing it and some of the people still haven't even posted it yet), and it feels like scum damage control. this seems like typical scum who's afraid of automatically losing-
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There's value in all discussion.In post 134, Plum wrote: Kaze, can we freaking stop trying to outguess the setup?
Please.
Pie, you're a good person here.
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Discussion of all things begets information. Talking at all in Mafia is, to me at least, attempting to get into the mindset of other players and see where they're coming from. A conversation about soft pretzels v. hard pretzels yields at least some information relevant to the game because it sheds light on how others' think.
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Hi.In post 147, Paschendale wrote:Kagami was actively looking to get other players to claim. Lack of a weak signifier means PR abilities. Kagami not only sought to get people to claim having abilities, but also asserted that only town could have it. She pretended that it was the usual weak like a weak doctor, despite apparently knowing that it is not. She pushed for more discussion and claims over it. Everyone who replied "what do you mean, weak miller?" outed themselves as a PR. But they would not have if she hadn't revealed what it actually meant. I think it is far more likely that she or part of the scum team is a goon and has the weak modifier, hence how they know what it means. They're the only ones who get to see multiple PMs.
It looked like simple rolefishing until page 5, where she was just asking more weak people to claim, back when everyone thought that weak was the town-signifying modifier that it usually is. Then she revealed what it really means, and I (foolishly) hesitated. But after a little more thought, it looks like a deliberate attempt to get people to reveal that they are not weak before they understood the significance.
The explanation of what the modifier really meant gave me pause, but now I feel much more certain.
VOTE: Kagami
Are you her partner, Plum?
VOTE: Pasch
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It's not that I thought or didn't think there was a third weak player - It's that it sounded like Kagami knew there were more since she said she wouldn't explain the modifier until another person claimed it.
Bro pretty much disassembled the entire "We can find the scums based on the Weak modifier" idea that was floating around. If he were scum, he would have let the town indulge that poor avenue of thinking and probably try to score some mislynches off it rather than argue against it. I'm not voting Bro. He's town.-
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Occam's razor. I'm not going to assume he'd purposely destroy a perfectly good mislynch outlet in some sort of next-level plot because he played well as scum in game X. If that's the way to win the game, all scum should just claim scum in their first post and vote their partners from the get-go because next-level WIFOMsandwiches. You're confbiasing.In post 173, pieguyn wrote: why do you think he'd always do the most obvious strategy? this is the same guy who stole a weak neighborize and suicided on his partner just to give her a ridiculous amt of towncred. it's obvious BRO would NOT necessarily make the obvious scum play all the time and I could totally see him doing this for the towncred-
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I've avoided conclusions? My answers to all this questions should be intrinsically obvious at this point. I think her actions were town motivated and deliberately working towards developing the town's position.In post 177, Paschendale wrote: And that doesn't bother you? You are pointing out all the same things I said about Kagami's actions, but somehow you ignore the obvious conclusion. In fact, you have tried really hard to avoid any conclusions about it. Do you think her actions were deliberate? Accidental? Is it scum motivated or town motivated?
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Emoticons! myko is town!In post 183, mykonian wrote:It's pleasant to see such youthful exuberance, but you'll have to excuse me, I'm not yet able to reply.
Lets read what you've said so far
What's so bad about 92?In post 184, mykonian wrote: I wouldn't be at all surprised if F-16 was scum this game. Post 92 is not town at all. 4 pages to go but I don't think I'll find a better vote that easily.
It's not me, muffin.In post 187, zMuffinMan wrote:a couple assumptions i'm making about this setup based on my role:
- setup is single faction, 10:3 (not explaining this, don't ask)
- scum don't have day talk (see above)
- one of the three main characters is scum (mod insistence that flavour has nothing to do with alignment has me thinking this is likely the case, as does something else - and if i had to guess which, i'd say eren)
- scum probably already know my character flavour. not that it really matters
also, plum is scum
Vote: Plum
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To an extent.In post 206, mykonian wrote:guys, does anyone of you know plum?-
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I think her heart was in the right place. She sounded to me like she genuinely thought she had broke the setup and was about to confirm a slew of townies. And that would have been beneficial for the town.In post 210, Paschendale wrote: Then why don't you actually explain how this is possible? Cuz I see no way that this benefited town at all. All I see is scum having better choices for night kills. And I wasn't suggesting that you were scummy. I was suggesting that you're missing the obvious.
And you kinda did suggest I was scummy with the "you sound like you're trying really hard to avoid conclusions" bit.
How is Pasch prob town?In post 217, zMuffinMan wrote: prob town
Just to clarify - why do you believe scum wouldn't say they knew what weak meant, again?In post 219, Kagami wrote: My thinking is that scum would be very careful not to tip their hats if they knew. In any case, I'm quite confident that they didn't know. It could very well be that she had a strong, correct suspicion about it, but scum-plum wouldn't be confident enough to claim weakness and risk being outed, so maybe you're right. My feeling is still town-plum.
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I don't believe the scum faction is "Shape-shifter", by the way. I think I've seen the idea kicked around a bit in the thread. I don't think it is so.
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Mostly a gut thing. Reading the posts around that point I kept thinking "ehhhh, I'm voting for F-16, right?" and I wasn't. So, I rectified that.In post 270, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:I've been trying pretty hard to figure out Dan's affiliation. In 252, I attempt to prod him into the game and start providing reasoning for his reads. I clarified his misrep to see if he understands where he went wrong. I have been trying to pressure him into towntelling if he is town.
In my interactions with Myk, I debunked his claim of meta. I pointed out that he has never played with me as scum before. I also asked him to show an example of me making a post like 92 as scum.
Compare Myk's and Dan's responses:
Dan continues to troll and provide no reasoning for his reads despite being probed about it.
He says "don't be cajoled by scum" which doesn't do anything to advance the gamestate.
Myk continues to provide no reasoning despite his being debunked.
I mean, compare and contrast, how is my interaction with them something you don't like?
Your response quoted above is odd. "Why do you not like me? Look at all this stuff I did! Look at what they did!!!" I don't like the tone.
I echo the sentiments here.In post 271, Tammy wrote: I think that Plum looks town too and mostly that comes from what looks like spontaneous posting. I followed the On the Boat game once empire replaced in and Plum's posting there was more calculated and seemed planned there, which is different from here. Also, I'm just not sure this comes from Plum!scum:
You got me. I have no clue what myko sees in F-16's opening post. I was just going along with it to add pressure. Plus myko sounded like he knew something that would be rendered ineffective if he said it out in the open so I just rolled with it. Kinda tired of waiting for him to spill, though, so that's that.In post 271, Tammy wrote: I hate this. In Post 194 he asked what was so bad about Post 92. Mykonian, *twitches, cracks neck and knuckles* doesn't explain in Post 198 he rather challenges Kaze to see it. Myk should have explained it, but he doesn't. So what does Kaze think he sees? It looks like Kaze is gearing up to be persuaded by this scum read. HOWEVER Kaze is new at this game. It is possible that he thinks he's supposed to see something there, and doesn't want to admit that he has no clue what Myk is talking about.
Why not?In post 284, Tammy wrote: Scum probs don't have day talk.
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I've asked you this a couple of times now; you keep ignoring it. Why? I'd really appreciate an answer.In post 225, Kazekirimaru wrote: -Again, how do you know there's "only one other weak player"?-
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You're peculiar.In post 330, Tammy wrote: I was parroting muffin. He sounds smart.-
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I don't think the word "gut" is registering to you.In post 335, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote: Except you don't really address anything I said in my post. How do you come to a conclusion that either Myk or Dan are town based off their posts?-
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I trust myself more than anyone else. I'm the only one whose alignment I'm certain of.In post 341, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:I think you are being evasive. I laid out all the reasons why both Mykonian and ActionDan were playing anti-town and scummy and they responded with "don't let scum cajole you" or were busted as having no case. Your response is to ignore all that and say "gut" which seems like a convenient scum excuse to throw your vote wherever you want without having to account for it.-
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Hi. You're not just calling me town because I'm voting with you, right? Right?In post 353, ActionDan wrote:kaze is also pretty obviously town from his posts around the time of the weak miller discussion. that's a mislynch in the making if I've ever seen one. at least it won't happen on my watch
pedit: because F-16 is the type of guy to lose his train of thought? don't think so
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Pretty sure both Pieguy and Bro are town because their argument sounds a lot like the argument Pie had with me in Ace Attorney mafia when we were both town.
Pasch completely relenting, stating F-16 is "puking all over the page", and subsequently voting Bro because Muffin is voting him stings pretty hard and I'll happily see him lynched if you guys decide F-16 can't be a thing today(but I hope you go through with it, regardless.)
F-16 probably sees Pasch's weakness and that explains why he's jumping on the chance to vote him in 406. Can I get "Desperate Attempt to Counterwagon" for 500, Alex?
407 is pretty much rubbish, btw. For all its lovely walling, the entire thing is a strawman argument. Myko's stance being his 92 being too early to be effective and basically one big posture-fest(as far as I follow) and F-16's response is something akin to "What's wrong with developing early reads????" No. No. Hush.
Let's get on with the lynch, already.-
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