[Mini 1835] - Everything Is A Lie Mafia 4 (Abandoned)

[Flames682]

/confirm

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VOTE: xyzzy

Innocent childs are never innocent in wgeurts's EIALs.

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I'd refrain from voting the IC. I agree the confirm town message by the mod is suspicious, but lynching him probably won't help the town. In the first game of this series the IC was a Jester, and in the second it was a Lyncher target.

Except that we also know wgeurts likes to make subtle changes in each of his games.

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Let me rephrase: Apparently means that he did not stop to consider that his role could be a lie.

I disagree. "Apparently" means it was stated in his role PM and it's apparent there. If he really didn't consider that his role could be a lie he most likely would've just said "I'm double hated" without the "apparently."

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ehhh

VOTE: Vedith

~Lina

Don't act like our role PMs don't have a bunch of stuff and can never overlap.

[Flames682]

or to follow any voting restriction players decide.

Let's see if this is true

The Counsel must vote itself at once

This is probably why the VC is like that.

[Flames682]

I have a feeling that the counsel is misleading us

[Flames682]

Recently a traveler tried to mess with the vote(s) of Counsel using a private ability. Be aware that there is a HUGE bounty on this traveler's head.

Like this just seems like the mod trying to put suspicion on whoever put that vote

[Flames682]

Why does the IC need to be dayvigged and not just lynched?

[Flames682]

Because shooting jesters and such don't allow them to fulfill their win con, no?

~Leather

So we waste a shot instead of just voting them because you don't want them to win? Town are able to win with Jesters/Lynchers right? Correct me if I'm wrong please.

[Flames682]

Explain more

[Flames682]

Which still doesn't explain why to dayvig them

[Flames682]

So what's the difference when we lynch them vs dayvig when THEY'RE STILL DEAD EITHER WAY?

[Flames682]

So what's the difference when we lynch them vs dayvig when THEY'RE STILL DEAD EITHER WAY?

The way they die matters!

Ask any Jester.

You're either stupid as hell out scum of you don't get that.

~Leather

You act as if a dead lynched jester can't win with town while still being dead and not part of the living majority.

[Flames682]

Dayvigged = dead
Lynched = dead

Dead = dead. So why does dayvigged > lynched.

[Flames682]

And it doesn't matter if it was a Jester and he wins because TOWN CAN WIN WITH JESTER WHEN HE'S DEAD.

Can someone besides House explain this shit

[Flames682]

If a Jester gets lynched and fulfills his win condition he still wins with whatever alignment won the game. Are you thinking that it ends the game? Cause it doesn't.

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So basically you only want town to win and will waste a dayvig because of it.

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So you want him to shoot IC but also the Counsel.

uhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[Flames682]

When do we lynch house

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In his eyes if you're not explicitly town you need to die apparently

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Not that I'm opposed to killing the counsel either.

[Flames682]

let's not kill the counsel

Because...?

[Flames682]

Yea to knowing the private voter

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Both of Ircher's votes on someone else are just straight terrible.

[Flames682]

Difficult represents either

mafia

or stubborness.

Uh, no? Both town and scum can be difficult. Like farside said, it's NAI.

Considering how little we've done so far

(primarily cuz of Leather.....)

, it isn't a bad pressure vote.

Your ISO illustrates that you haven't done too much either.

[Flames682]

You're contradicting yourself, xyzzy. I took a look in your ISO and literally that was your first scumhunt post. The rest have been speculation

In fact, both Ircher is doing the same.

[Flames682]

Leather and Lace (3): Ircher, xyzzy
The Counsel (1): The Counsel, shos

[Flames682]

VOTE: shos

[Flames682]

Wait, is Xyzzy a doublevoter? (aaka, the vote weight is 3...)

Take your vote off and see what the next VC looks like.

[Flames682]

To me it seems he rushed to claim just to save himself even though we're 2-3 votes away from lynching (depending if The Counsel counts as majority cause wgeurts could be lying about 8 votes).

[Flames682]

Seems like a role either scum or town could get in this type of game. Really I wouldn't base my read on him based on his claimed abilties too much.

[Flames682]

What do you think of the claim, though?[/quote]

Seems like a role either scum or town could get in this type of game. Really I wouldn't base my read on him based on his claimed abilties too much.

My vote for Cakez has nothing to do with my read of shos.

Wasn't responding to that was responding to this:

To me it seems he rushed to claim just to save himself even though we're 2-3 votes away from lynching (depending if The Counsel counts as majority cause wgeurts could be lying about 8 votes).

[Flames682]

Seems like a role either scum or town could get in this type of game. Really I wouldn't base my read on him based on his claimed abilties too much.

My vote for Cakez has nothing to do with my read of shos.

Wasn't responding to that was responding to this:

To me it seems he rushed to claim just to save himself even though we're 2-3 votes away from lynching (depending if The Counsel counts as majority cause wgeurts could be lying about 8 votes).

I know you were.

What do you think of the claim, though?

Seems like a role either scum or town could get in this type of game.

The abilities he stated seem fine to me but my role PM was way more crazy so I think he's leaving stuff out than he says. And like I've said I'm not basing my read off his claim cause it could be town or scum motivated really.

[Flames682]

shos any other reads besides L&L? Really all you've done is accuse them and defend yourself.

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Strange because his latest vote was indeed on L&L.

@mod error in VC or intentional?

[Flames682]

What motivation do scum have to fakeclaim, instead of

claiming most of their role and snipping out the scummy parts

of their role?

This is exactly what shos seems to have done.

[Flames682]

My scumread on shos isn't based on The Counsel's assertion that shos is the extra voter.

[Flames682]

Flames, you keep saying that but you never actually say why you scumread me

To me it seems he rushed to claim just to save himself even though we're 2-3 votes away from lynching.

shos any other reads besides L&L? Really

all you've done is accuse them and defend yourself

.

What motivation do scum have to fakeclaim, instead of

claiming most of their role and snipping out the scummy parts

of their role?

This is exactly what shos seems to have done.

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Oh and shos, Ircher, and xyzzy

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So either xyzzy is a double voter or some hidden voter moved it right after he did.

[Flames682]

So either xyzzy is a double voter or some hidden voter moved it right after he did.

Seriously now? Whats this freaking hidden voter you keep talking about? Xyzzy is obviously a doublevoter.

Oh I don't know maybe because literally anything is possible in this game? Don't just rule out possibilties because we really don't know

[Flames682]

@xyzzy If we have no deadline then why are you putting BNL at L-1?

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Wait no xyzzy didn't put him at L-1, L&L just did.

Someone give a summarized reason why he's scum cause I would still prefer shos

[Flames682]

Half of the BNL votes are ehhhh

Not that it makes him any better

[Flames682]

Half of the BNL votes are ehhhh

Not that it makes him any better

In "him" I'm referring to xyzzy btw

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My personal idea would be some sort of mod lie (aka fake role) that got to farside, but not me.

I very much doubt this even if it is EIAL. I'm more inclined to believe farside simply fakeclaimed dayvig or you're lying about not being dayvig.

[Flames682]

The fact she claimed it at day start and not trying to reaction test anyone with it?

thats not really different to you?

~Rylai

What motivation do you think farside had to claim a dayvig at daystart?

[Flames682]

Did MM do something I missed?

siriously?

yes
qq

Basically said he wasn't dayvig and replaced farside who claimed she was dayvig.

Do you think farside rolled a role that could shoot people? Because I don't. My role PM doesn't indicate any sort of shooting ability.
So for all the love in the world you'll have to leave the shooting to those who can.

[Flames682]

You couldn't do a quick ISO and find that?

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Impatient much?

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Nope just saying don't rush the mod

[Flames682]

Not really wanting to lynch BNL because he just strikes me as a kneejerk scumread, which usually winds up flipping town.

I could really go for some shos blood, though.

okay then

[Flames682]

Not really wanting to lynch BNL because he just strikes me as a kneejerk scumread, which usually winds up flipping town.

I could really go for some shos blood, though.

okay then

My hammer muscle twitched.

So you hammered someone you thought would probably flip town?

[Flames682]

Well literally any slot

might

flip town even if you perceive them to be scummy as fuck

[Flames682]

Hello guys

In regards to The Counsel's + shos's votey-stuff:

They/it claims it happened after this post:

or to follow any voting restriction players decide.

Let's see if this is true

The Counsel must vote itself at once

Guess what happened right after?

VOTE: wgeurts

Gotta try

Think it's pretty safe to say that for some reason him voting the mod gave him that hidden vote. Right?

This is super far-fetched even for speculation. Not sure why anyone would buy this.

[Flames682]

I dodnt think farside was a dayvig to begin with lol.
D1 shit like that happens all the time.

Since flames wagon doesnt seem to be viable, and same withL&L, im joining the NL wagon. This is L-1.

VOTE: bnl.
This is not a counterwagon-ahoy vote, in case youd think that.

shos you never expressed a good reason for your BNL scumread besides:

for now. BNL's posts look like shit, lol. At gamestart he seemed to cause the counsel to selfvote, and now he's trying to say my posts fit as counsel control, which I reaelllly don't see. I'll give him the option to explain.

Which isn't really a good reason at all. Then you vote him only after the wagon gains momentum:

I dodnt think farside was a dayvig to begin with lol.
D1 shit like that happens all the time.

Since flames wagon doesnt seem to be viable, and same withL&L, im joining the NL wagon. This is L-1.

VOTE: bnl.
This is not a counterwagon-ahoy vote, in case youd think that.

[Flames682]

-The Counsel says it was aftr BNL's post.

Where do they say this?

[Flames682]

like, let's say farside22 received a role PM that said "you're a dayvig" and The MM received a role PM that said anything besides that—this would explain the discrepancy, but it's not a scum tell for either of them.

Yeah no I seriously doubt the mod would use a separate role PM for the same slot even if it is EIAL.

[Flames682]

-The Counsel says it was aftr BNL's post.
-Right after BNL's post shos votes the mod "for the lulz"
-Then shos is granted the hidden vote

If The Counsel and the mod are not lying on this matter, this is exactly what happened.

Well The Counsel isn't all-knowing. They are only speculating like us and what they say isn't set in stone.

Also, this is like saying "I walked under a ladder and then my friend hurt his knee. Thus, whenever I walk under a ladder my friend will hurt his knee." The two events are unrelated.

[Flames682]

@mod all of the lies in the game are predetermined and chosen before the game start or you might make a new evil plan for lie-ing and confusing the shit out of everyone anytime you want?

and it will be lovely if you use your truth color for answering this!

Any lies related to roles are set in stone so that all players are able to somewhat anticipate them, I however may do random crap not affecting players roles for the sake of it.

Either Farside or The MM lied. This is today's lynch.

So you're assuming all lies are scum motivated then?

[Flames682]

Now we're getting somewhere. Yes

Serious roleclaims are

So you've never considered that farside could've been trying to scare scum or get a reaction? Especially with that one post about who he would shoot?

[Flames682]

wait I want to test something
VOTE: wgeurts

What do you make of this then? This was right after shos voted the mod and before the mod posted another VC

[Flames682]

What I'm asking is why shos's voted triggered his "hidden Counsel vote" while SC's did not. Your theory falls apart there. Not like it was stable to begin with.

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By my count 4 people have voted the mod so far:

shos - Counsel vote?
SC
xyzzy - Double vote?
R & L

VOTE: wgeurts

[Flames682]

Oh yeah I forgot about that. Still worth a shot to see the next VC.

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Can't use PC to make a vote count right now but BnL is not yet dead. Yes, I'm certain this is correct.

Can we get a VC edited here too please.

[Flames682]

at this point I'm ok with voting xyy and shos and no one else.

Agreed

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Omg R&L stfu.
Lik, I lean town on you,but that is basically based on the shitstorm that you are now forming here which is fitting to FA's towngame. But stop it, recaliberate your ass. You areconfbiasing.

This sounds like something scum would say to a buddy

[Flames682]

Cool, you got your reads correct in other games. Want a gold star?

I don't really care how good you think you are at catching scum. It should never be used as a line of reasoning to sheep someone because of it. Ever.

So stop with that stupid line of reasoning and shit like this:

You suck then

cuase your belief is wrong

Ircher is Scum

[Flames682]

Okay fine let's talk about your reasoning for Ircher scum:

Look how many times Ircher tried to push the point "there is no time for a wagon on me" to me in past 3 pages

Thats obviously coming from scum with 0 doubt. a town him wouldn't divert the conversation when I repeatedly asked his reason for voting BNL.

A town him wouldn't say "I was scummy today but there is no time in sorting me" that's absolute trash. Ircher is scum. Cut my head of if I was wrong.

So you're attacking him for this statement, which he made BEFORE you accused him of being scum btw so he wasn't redirecting from himself:

Pedit: Because deadline is approaching and lynching is better than no lynch. Basic mafia theory.

How come you don't attack L & L for agreeing then?

still after 100 posts you can't give me one reason for you scumreading BNL

and you keep diverting everything , nitpicking my reasoning and descrediting my scumreads

your so scum dude

Don't do scum's job for them, silly.

Ircher is scum >.>

That's irrelevant at this point in the day.

Wagon them tomorrow.

By the way, I also agree that there was no time to gain a majority on Ircher (especially with a bunch of lurkers), so explain why that reasoning is scummy.


So, by your reasoning of scumreading Ircher you should also be scumreading myself and L & L. But you're tunneling Ircher why?

[Flames682]

So stop with that stupid line of reasoning and shit like this:

You suck then

cuase your belief is wrong

Ircher is Scum

why should I stop with that? That is a valid read I got by a process.

Tell me the why

"I'm right and you're wrong." Boy this really gets me to want to vote someone.

[Flames682]

How come you don't attack L & L for agreeing then?

cuase the fact deadline is approching is not wrong!

the fact Ircher tried to pushed to shut me up is scummy

He literally said the same thing in a different way: there's a deadline approaching so do it tomorrow:

Wagon them tomorrow.

[Flames682]

Ok, BNL, fair enough.

VOTE: MM

Let's do a flash wagon on MM!

VOTE: BNL

your scum aren't you?

Okay yeah I saw this post but didn't really think much of it but now I get what you mean. He tries to do a quicklynch on MM with little time in the day but then argues that there's no time to start another wagon.

[Flames682]

VOTE: Ircher[\v]

[Flames682]

VOTE: Ircher

[Flames682]

A bomb was planted on me today.
Not funny

Wanna expand on that?

[Flames682]

in another note L&L must be a part of counsel if nothing interfered with the chairman actions. L&L confirm or deny this please.

I have access to The Counsel and their revealed investigative target and results which I confirm, but not their role pm.

I have asked the mod to resend the role pm to The Counsel.

Did something happen overnight so you have access?

[Flames682]

I'm asking what happened Sherlock

[Flames682]

Ircher has explained none of his reads

[Flames682]

VOTE: Ircher

Can we just lynch Ircher btw?

Can we get more votes onto Ircher?

A bomb was planted on me today.
Not funny

How about you get a temporary vote on Ircher?

You've never expressed any interest at all in Ircher before...

[Flames682]

Kuroi, Vedith, and I are masons.

Last night Vedith said he has a lie detector and instructed us to post that we weren't in any other PTs. However, I'm wondering why he lie detected Ircher's post if he said he would use it on us last night.

[Flames682]

So almost certainly scum in Vedith and Flames, interesting

I thought you said you wouldn't do setup spec?

[Flames682]

Your slot is 100% town thanks to Yume, but not thanks to you.

What?

[Flames682]

Well if you think that they should claim, then I'm a mason.
The other mason has already said that they don't want to reveal today, but the lack of communication and from that with Sho's post saying that they could be traitor makes me wonder.

I'm wondering why Vedith never considered the possibility of more than one scum in the mason chat until someone brought it up. Prior to shos's post he said in the PT that he was certain I was town because Kuroi had outed himself.

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I'm wondering why Vedith never considered the possibility of more than one scum in the mason chat until someone brought it up. Prior to shos's post he said in the PT that he was certain I was town because Kuroi had outed himself.

Because apparently previous versions there were 3 in the PT.
I didn't play previous versions, this is why I said multiple times that I suspect that 1 was scum in the PT.

That

is why I didn't think that there were 2 scum. 2 town with a Werewolf converter made sense as they would relay all the information gained from us. However, previous games say otherwise.

Who brought up that multiple scum were in one PT in previous games? Quote it.

[Flames682]

Uh, I wasn't the one that said he was 100% town, I was questioning Vedith on why he thought that.

[Flames682]

Uh, I wasn't the one that said he was 100% town, I was questioning Vedith on why he thought that.

This is 100% from my opinion. Not 100% from mod confirmation.

If I was scum, I'd be running rings around this player list right now...

@Flames - What's your view on me and the situation on having 2 scum in the Mason group?
I'd be interested to see if you feel this situation diserves a vote on me or not.

I know it was 100% your opinion, didn't say it wasn't. Also, that point about "If I was scum..." is scummy as hell.

I did consider the possibility that there was more than one scum in our mason group and I didn't play in other games either so that's not really an excuse.

And yeah I do have a scumread on you and have had one since shos pointed out that there might be more than one scum in the mason chat and you suddenly just sheeped onto that.

[Flames682]

Yeah I'm online

[Flames682]

Do you what was said inside the PT entirely (paraphrased ofc)? Cause I can do that

[Flames682]

And yeah I do have a scumread on you and have had one since shos pointed out that there might be more than one scum in the mason chat and you suddenly just sheeped onto that.

Then why no vote on me?
I only have 5 out of 8 on me...
See, I never actually said I thought you were scum. However, my view here is you would prefer a lynch away from me, as lynching me today flipping town, means you are being lynched tomorrow regardless of you align. (I know, town haven't thought this out yet).
If you're town you will put your vote on me, if you're scum, you will avoid it hoping that a lynch doesn't occur. Regardless, it's happening.

Ah yes I too love when ultimatums are issued and others speak on my behalf.

If you didn't notice my vote is on someone I think is also scum and just cause my vote isn't on you doesn't mean I don't think you're scum. I can go for either of you really. I don't care if I'm lynched later as long as you're gone.

[Flames682]

I was referring to Ircher btw.

[Flames682]

About the mason topic and outing ourselves:

After Kuroi was modkilled L & L asked in thread for other masons to be outed. I said in mason chat I didn't see a reason to do that. Vedith says we should crumb it. Also says he's sensor and will check 139 and the Ircher wagon. Then at 5 am he posts that I'm the traitor because I didn't post yet

[Flames682]

Literally you just put question marks at the end of your statements.

[Flames682]

It's like asking "Then you're probably serial killer?" It's technically a question but it's really an accusation

[Flames682]

Anyway

VOTE: Vedith

[Flames682]

Vote for reveal

Davsto
Who did you target with what N2?

With a roleblock, someone not from Argentina
I in fact targeted Rylai and Lina

Flames. Confirm that you have gone nowhere N1.
If you do I have a proof of davsto lying

Yup I didn't go anywhere N1.

[Flames682]

note that considering the half-obviousness of this if true, then it is possible he had been recruited. Maybe that is why there was no nightkill.

Can you explain why there was no nightkill N1 then?

Vote to reveal counsel info

VOTE: The MM

[Flames682]

Wait a minute.

You said you got a result that I went nowhere N1 right?

I looked back at my Role PM. It says I'm ascetic. So either that modifier is a lie or your track results are a lie.

[Flames682]

Unfortunately I can only relay the information - my role PM says ascetic. I "suddenly" decided to check it just like you "suddenly" occurred to you to check your N1 result. It popped into my head.

Like I've said, either my ascetic is a lie or your track is. I didn't claim to protect Davsto; it's very much a possibility that my role is a lie.

[Flames682]

But I dont really trust flames right now, so it would be kinda a waste.

The feeling is mutual.

[Flames682]

Shos it's actually interesting how your results seem to contradict both on n1 and n2.

But I guess that can be interpreted that as me trying to defend davsto. Test it on n3 then to see if it's a lie then? And someone else can check if I'm actually ascetic if they want to

[Flames682]

MM is death miller obviously. There's no way he only had one ability. Don't revive him ffs

Did I miss something? Why is Ircher confirmed scum?

[Flames682]

MM is death miller obviously. There's no way he only had one ability. Don't revive him ffs

Did I miss something? Why is Ircher confirmed scum?

Well it's either you or him confirmed scum, so vote there before I take action!

Why is it either me or him? What?

[Flames682]

I thought this was about that one wagon that Vedith saw how many town were on but that wagon was on Ircher.

Still confused on how Ircher is confirmed scum.

[Flames682]

he's not confirmed scum, he's just scummy as hell

This I agree to. Vedith's "confirmed" stuff I don't

[Flames682]

What happened to Vedith's "I checked Ircher's role and he's town"?

[Flames682]

Greetings, The MM, and welcome to

Everything Is a Lie Mafia 4

!

Sneaky Bastard

1-Shot Day-Desperado

Aligned with the Town

“Man is not what he thinks he is, he is what he hides.”
― André Malraux

Abilities:

1-Shot Day-Desperado -

Once during a day you may target a player in thread by posting "

Desperado: -name-

", if they are not aligned with the town they will die, otherwise you will.

Win-Conditions:

You win once all threats to the

Town

are no longer alive.

shos are you telling me you believe that MM only had one ability? Also his VC editing ability isn't there either.

[Flames682]

Btw did you guys forget that every time someone came back to life in EIAL they were a different role? Vedith probably isn't a town lie detector anymore.

[Flames682]

VOTE: Flames

Trying to throw shade.

*Shade backed up by evidence. It's true; check for yourself instead of voting me because I said something bad about you.

Also what happened to "confirmed" Ircher scum? Still haven't explained that.

[Flames682]

Shos tracked Flames N1 and received "went nowhere".
Flames confirms the result.
Shos tracked Davsto N2 and received "went nowhere".
Something else shos said but it was obfuscated.
Shos claimed a few other abilities that were 1-Shot too.

Problem with this was that I claimed that I was ascetic.

[Flames682]

what's wrong with one ability?
also you're auto assuming that if scum, he was the one in charge? could he just be trying to post in his PT for another buddy maybe? O_o
I dunno, calling a death miller here is suuuper ballsy

Does your role not have a billion things listed? Does any role in EIAL history have one thing listed ever?

Idk what you mean by the 2nd line

[Flames682]

“If I'm still alive whilst this votecount appears we're lynching Davsto.”

― Anonymous

VOTECOUNT 3.0

Not Voting (12):

shos, Davsto, Leather and Lace, BulletNLynchproof, Rylai & Lina, malpascp, The MM, Ircher, Flames682, xyzzy, The Counsel, The Counsel

With 12 Votes, it takes 6 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-10-23 02:26:34)

This post pretty much confirms that he had VC editing power. It's been established that he probably meant to PM the mod.

[Flames682]

Oh by the way our mason topic was locked when Vedith died and hasn't been re-opened. Asked the mod and he said it's staying that way. So prolly Vedith changed roles.

[Flames682]

Did you rez as a jester? Lmao

[Flames682]

VOTE: Ircher

I'm pretty convinced Vedith is jester.

Ignoring that then, I still think Ircher is scum.

[Flames682]

Nah I don't think shos is lying he has a reasonable suspicion on me.

Vedith, however, is just blatantly spouting lies.

[Flames682]

Hence my comment about roles changing when revived.

I remember one game where there was a cult reviver kind of role. Could be that.

[Flames682]

VOTE: SirCakez

[Flames682]

Spoiler: spoilered stuff

“Davsto could be faking his post restriction, don't trust him.”

― Anonymous

VOTECOUNT 3.1

The MM (7) [

L-1!

]:

malpascp, BulletNLynchproof, Davsto, Rylai & Lina, xyzzy, Flames682, Ircher

Flames682 (2):

SirCakez, shos

Not Voting (5):

Leather and Lace, The MM, The Counsel, The Counsel, Vedith

With 14 Votes, it takes 8 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-10-29 02:26:34)

For some reason Vedith is back from the dead! The amount needed to lynch has changed accordingly.

Well, looks like somebody got a little cocky.

The MM died, he was the Sneaky Bastard, aligned with the

Town

!

Spoiler:

Greetings, The MM, and welcome to

Everything Is a Lie Mafia 4

!

Sneaky Bastard

1-Shot Day-Desperado

Aligned with the Town

“Man is not what he thinks he is, he is what he hides.”
― André Malraux

Abilities:

1-Shot Day-Desperado -

Once during a day you may target a player in thread by posting "

Desperado: -name-

", if they are not aligned with the town they will die, otherwise you will.

Win-Conditions:

You win once all threats to the

Town

are no longer alive.

so
1. malpa is conftown?
2. has anyone claimed responsibility for reviving vedith?

1. Nope, we've already explained a million times it's probably a death miller
2. Cakez did

[Flames682]

What the hell formatting

1. malpa is conftown?
2. has anyone claimed responsibility for reviving vedith?

1. Nope, we've already explained a million times it's probably a death miller
2. Cakez did

[Flames682]

Except my revives aren't both guaranteed to come back town, and it's only 2-shot

This is probably a mod lie.

[Flames682]

The coming back town part I mean

[Flames682]

So let me get this straight, one of ircher and Vedith is def scum?

Been out of the loop and FA has done everything around here, only read the last few pages.

~Shiro

No, one of me and Flames are scum.
But you guys already wrongly lynched me once, we're not going to do that again, are we now?!
Lynch a Flame, save a live!

Why would flame make that lie as scum though?

Please go visit his ISO from the time he was revived.

[Flames682]

Ircher has always been scummy.

[Flames682]

VOTE: Ircher

This entire game is a mess jfc. SC don't revive anyone tonight if you don't want a repeat of Jester Vedith.

pedit - Shos or Ircher

[Flames682]

Actually leaning way more towards an Ircher lynch; I wanna see shos's results tomorrow before anything.

Also someone test if my ascetic is a lie.

[Flames682]

You aren't even voting him

Also Cakez do you agree to not use your revive tonight?

[Flames682]

So you're gonna ignore the two biggest reasons not to revive MM?

1. He's a death miller and not town
2. Revive doesn't bring players back as town

The revive doesn't benefit anyone.

[Flames682]

VOTE: Ircher

Hopefully that convinced Cakez to not use revive anymore.

[Flames682]

Probably some other third-party role. I doubt the mod would use Jester twice.

[Flames682]

pls end ircher

yeah I'm not gonna rez anymore
the flip didn't surprise me

VOTE: flames

PICK SOMEONE

YOU GUYS

FFS

[Flames682]

What kind of shitty logic is that? If I were to flip scum would that suddenly clear you as town somehow?

You're just doing the same thing as you did in day 1 basically saying "sort me tomorrow." No. You die today.

[Flames682]

Last post was to Ircher not Dav

[Flames682]

Interesting how the votes shifted from Ircher before dayvig to shos after dayvig. I didn't notice until BNL pointed out I was the only one voting Ircher.

VOTE: shos

[Flames682]

I feel like the Flames682 wagon is the best one right now. regardless of setup analysis, I've felt like Ircher is town for most of this game.

This is literally the only place xyzzy ever says I'm scum. He's just hopping onto an easy wagon lmao.

[Flames682]

Honestly one of the votes on me is xyzzy which we don't know if the double vote is real or not, so I'm either at L-3 or L-2. Did yesterday's fail to lynch at L-0 ever get explained? Was it xyzzy's double vote a fake?

[Flames682]

Oh yeah during the night someone should test my ascetic to see if it's a lie

[Flames682]

And I want shos's tracker results verified to see if they're a lie too

[Flames682]

*sigh*
and then either you or me will go "omg bastard game omg". yeah.. we'll see.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p7456685

Don't act as if it's not probable. Just look at how many lies there were last game.