[Mini 1835] - Everything Is A Lie Mafia 4 (Abandoned)

[SirCakez]

And Ircher

[shos]

simply a scum messenger being super successful

hmm? you mean someone else messaging counsel giving him a fake result?

A messenger sends the mod a message and the mod delivers it to the specified target. Sp basically, knowing I am dangerous, framing me is just as easy as it can be. Coupd have been anyone else too. Messengers often get just one message per day, otherwise it may be too bastard.

[farside22]

I'm really sorry to do this.

mod please replace me

I wish I could put the time into this game but I'm a little overbooked at this moment.

[BNL]

VOTE: BNL

Shos is being scummy as can be, but BNL is playing scummy and lining up lynches w/o considering the poss. that shos was framed by the mod.

I did consider the possibility:

Over the night I've thought about it, and realised that Shos is the best lynch for today.

If he's scum, good. Otherwise, the Counsel lied to us, so we lynch them tomorrow. So {Shos, The Counsel} should be our lynchpool for today, and I'm leaning towards the former.

The only way this can fail is if the Mod lied to the Counsel.

@Everyone not voting shos/The Counsel:

What do you disagree about this?

My Shos v Counsel thing is also independent of my Shos scumread.

[BNL]

Wgeurts pretty explicitly states the roles can be (and probably are) lying

Also before the game starts
I'm double Hated apparently

So you think that the roles are lies, but you don't doubt the double Hated part of your role?

VOTE: SirCakez

This is just super nitpickey, to the point of unnecessarily so.

But this was my RVS vote, so...?

or to follow any voting restriction players decide.

Let's see if this is true

The Counsel must vote itself at once

This triggered the zero weight vote on The Counsel.

What makes you think that the Counsel vote is submitted publicly?

[BNL]

Over the night I've thought about it, and realised that Shos is the best lynch for today.

If he's scum, good. Otherwise, the Counsel lied to us, so we lynch them tomorrow. So {Shos, The Counsel} should be our lynchpool for today, and I'm leaning towards the former. The only way this can fail is if the Mod lied to the Counsel.

@Everyone not voting shos/The Counsel:

What do you disagree about this?

False Dilemna --> We dont have to lynch in those 2.

This isn't a false dilemma. I

proposed

lynching in Shos/The Counsel, and personally picked Shos; never said that they were the only lynch options.

[BNL]

Btw re: your guys discussion on occams razor
I bet the counsel answers no to my question. Occams razor applied here would simply be a scum messenger. That is so easy.

That's funny because this possibility never occurred to me until you mentioned it; only possibilities for me were you lying, Counsel lying and Mod lying.

[BNL]

Top two scumreads are Shos and Ircher

[shos]

How is that funny?

[BNL]

Don't exactly have a third scumread, but I'll just say that I believe my wagon is heavily pushed by scum.

Of the five people,

THREE

of them are lurkers whose only game related content is their vote on me (except Davsto, and even then, no other reads or even pushes). Ircher is a top scumread.

SirCakez is the only one I have mixed feelings on (getting townvibes and scumvibes): On one hand, he seems to be legitimately scumhunting and making pushes; on the other hand, some of his thought processes aren't smooth (no, not the "apparently" thing, I've gotten over that; there are other problems)

[BNL]

How is that funny?

Occam's razor means simplest explanation so requires the least thinking; but your suggestion of scum messenger did not come across me, which is definitely not simple in my opinion.

[shos]

It is super simple. Just not obvious.
Occams razor means that the simplest is the most likely, not the most obvious.

This has the least assumptions, therefore, it is the simplest.
Also which five(?!) are against you? I only remember like 2,not including me

[Flames682]

Flames, you keep saying that but you never actually say why you scumread me

To me it seems he rushed to claim just to save himself even though we're 2-3 votes away from lynching.

shos any other reads besides L&L? Really

all you've done is accuse them and defend yourself

.

What motivation do scum have to fakeclaim, instead of

claiming most of their role and snipping out the scummy parts

of their role?

This is exactly what shos seems to have done.

[Leather and Lace]

My scumread on shos isn't based on The Counsel's assertion that shos is the extra voter.

^

Top three scum reads are shos, BNL and xyzzy

^ sounds about right

[Leather and Lace]

Not really wanting to lynch BNL because he just strikes me as a kneejerk scumread, which usually winds up flipping town.

I could really go for some shos blood, though.

[Davsto]

BNL and shos and Yume

Sorry I've been incredibly passive this game

From next day phase I will have a fresh start and probably contribute a fair bit more

Until then, sorry

[Vedith]

Not really wanting to lynch BNL because he just strikes me as a kneejerk scumread, which usually winds up flipping town.

I could really go for some shos blood, though.

If BNL flips town then this comment is from scum.

[Flames682]

Oh and shos, Ircher, and xyzzy

[wgeurts]

“History is a set of lies agreed upon.”

― Napoléon Bonaparte

VOTECOUNT 1.6

BulletNLynchproof (5) [

L-3!

]:

Davsto, SirCakez, Vedith, KuroiXHF, Ircher

shos (4):

BulletNLynchproof, Rylai & Lina, Flames682, The Counsel, Leather and Lace

Yume (2):

xyzzy

Flames682 (1):

shos

SirCakez (1):

farside22

Not Voting (2):

Yume, The Counsel

With 14 Votes, it takes 8 to Lynch.
Deadline

: On hold.

Farside22 and Yume have requested replacement, the deadline is on hold for the time-being.

[House]

Not really wanting to lynch BNL because he just strikes me as a kneejerk scumread, which usually winds up flipping town.

I could really go for some shos blood, though.

If BNL flips town then this comment is from scum.

That post makes no sense.

[Leather and Lace]

Not really wanting to lynch BNL because he just strikes me as a kneejerk scumread, which usually winds up flipping town.

I could really go for some shos blood, though.

If BNL flips town then this comment is from scum.

That post makes no sense.

[Vedith]

That post makes no sense.

Then re read it until you understand it, kiddo.

[The Counsel]

We saw shos changing the vote again and the vote is now on himself ...

@Shos No messenger is involved. The result is related to the voice of counsel.

Thanks for changing the vote cause its now proven that mod pre-planned framing "Shos" by lying to the voice of counsel whenever the real one who controls that vote change it or Shos is really involved in this.

[Leather and Lace]

That post makes no sense.

Then re read it until you understand it, kiddo.

Somehow I doubt I'll live that long.

[Leather and Lace]

We need to resolve this shos situation.

Regardless of the vote manipulation, he's independently scummy.

Lynch it and put the vote thing to rest too.