Mini 1853: Trial of the Evoker [Game Over]
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Some of the setup discussion is useful, a lot of it is redundant. I want to get away from it, so this post will have my only thoughts on it for awhile. My next post will have a more intro feel.
tl;dr: If your power passes, and most do by default, pass it to someone you want to have it next, not to the person you want the result on (ex. a cop spell). Please don't throw away your tracker/watcher ability on a scumread and subsequently lose it for the rest of the game as scum pass it back and forth. Iron probably shouldn't have claimed, as it blocks only the first spell, and therefore is most likely to pass to town unless targeted by a nightkill-in which case, great. (Reflecting an investigation is bad, however the user still keeps their power for the next night and gain a fancy new nightkill shield) I'm assuming "first" is decided by NAR. Dunn's was a good claim. In general I don't think MCing Day 1 is a good idea, partially because it makes the game less fun, but more importantly because such a thing is literally the first thing a setup designer thinks of and balances accordingly.-
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Rereading it looks like BTD6 already went over some of my last post. Oh well, worth repeating.
Okay, introduction time. Hi all, this'll be my first theme game and second on-site so I'm really excited to play. Of all the starts, I find probably Sondam and
Some RQS if you'd like, I'm not going to hound you if you don't:
1) What's your favorite game of mafia? What happened?
2) Do you feel like you get lynched more as town or scum? What do you think the typical reasoning is?
3) Describe your mindset when playing scum. Eg. Is your main focus to towntell, to set up mislynches, to set up your partners, to bruteforce a win yourself?
I'll answer in a separate post later when I have some more time.
I don't think either Dunn or Iron's claims are particularly town. They're a balance factor that make sense as starting spells for either alignment, and there are real incentives to immediately claim them as mafia. Of all the players who have posted so far, I like, in a purely mafia-related sense, Sondam and BTD6. The person I like the least is Wisdom so
VOTE: Wisdom
Note to the hydras: The more you post, and the less immediately pertinent it is, the less likely I (and I assume others) are to read them. Consequently, any good points you may make will be lost. Be judicious.I don't want to be snarky but I already find these first 5 pages borderline unreadable and I don't know if I can take 20-100 more pages of it without dayvigging someone.
P-Edit: For real I hate to be a funkiller but tone it down.-
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That was the joke.In post 138, pisskop wrote:Signing doesnt have to be done if its only one person in that account of yours. And I assume that if you do have second person using that account you wont say anything.-
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Batoru please, private chat is a thing and if you forget to sign a post we'll probably live.
I used the words "like" and "don't like' because it's me staring at the posts and waiting for my neurons to magically give me an answer to start with. I'll have more later, but these are just my first impressions.In post 138, pisskop wrote:anywho y wisdom?-
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I'm referring to between your heads.In post 167, BATORU wrote:@Prism I can't chat with Dunn outside the game about my hydra slips.... That's ongoing game discussion.-
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I don't think it's a good idea to give responses to people's answers, or speculate as to their implications, until after more people have answered. To respond to Gamma but not delve any further than Chara has, yes, if scum want to lie, this is more than okay-it isIn post 171, Not Chara wrote:Gamma: i disagree, i think the third question is good. scum can lie about their meta if they want to, in a wide variety of situations. the third question provides an opportunity to examine a players play and see if they appear to be matching their supposed scum meta at all. a player aware enough to give a fairly accurate portrayal of their scum mindset could then try to avoid playing in the manner they described, among other things.ideal.In post 179, Mega Frozen wrote:I mean "What they claimed" are arguably NAI. But the fact they claimed it is a part of their playing and definitely isn't.
I don't have X-Ray meta vision. My impression is that the way they've played thus far is null. Is this the objective case? No. Is this the subjective case? Certainly.Prism wrote:and there are real incentives to immediately claim them as mafia.
Page 5 because a picture is worth a thousand words.In post 177, Mega Frozen wrote:How is the first 5 pages unreadable?
This is pretty clearly to do with my own ideas of what good posting looks like (very subjective). What's the aim of this question? Can you give me an example of either a scummy answer or town answer?-
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I never said it was. My statement was actually in response to outed townreads. Specifically, the one from Batoru:In post 185, Mega Frozen wrote:But why is pushing them to see what they will do afterward to sort them is an invalid tactic to you?In post 91, BATORU wrote:I dunnot think dunn is scum this game
partly just for his claim, partly on tone
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Thanks for being considerate if this is the case. I laid a more blanket "be judicious" statement on purpose, but if you're looking for something specifically I can give it. One is the constant forgetfulness of Batoru which has resulted in a clogged thread (Total they've had 36 posts). Another is the spam of Sondam. They had every post from #98 to #108 except for #101 & #104. From #98-#139 they had 22 posts out of 41. While I recognize the fun in doing so, as well as the fact it is not inherently bad play, it's not as fun for me to work around and read through.In post 186, Mega Frozen wrote:But in this particular case I wanted to know what about hydra posts are bothering you to be more gentle and kind and try to avoid it.
Again, I want to emphasize that I recognize that Batoru's extra posts are simple accidents and that Sondam's aren't malicious/inherently bad play, but the above are more specific examples of why I asked to be more judicious when posting.-
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I like the Mega vote. #185 is some pretty accusatory language putting something in my mouth, and while their stated reason behind the question is courteous, I'm not really sure I buy it. My impression of it was that it was a question for the sake of it.
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First, this says nothing about the first part of my statement which is the bigger reason behind my vote:In post 224, Mega Frozen wrote:@Prism what? I was talking about your attaking hydra thingi - how is my reasoning courteous but you won't buy it ... and thats how I play to question everything I seeTo elaborate on why this is scummy to me, you're priding yourself on asking questions to "see into our minds" but my interpretation of your #185 is very different. If I had discouraged people from pushing Dunn/iron, that would be very scummy indeed and you were quick to jump on this-but that simply never happened. It appears you weren't really keeping track of my statements and were jumping ahead to a "Gotcha!" moment. Honest mistake? Possibly. But I see no reason for me to
assumethat is the case.
Second, about the hydra questioning, you say "how is my reasoning courteous but you won't buy it." Why should the fact that it's nice mean I believe you? Your explanation being courteous and being legitimate are two separate things. Questioning everything is a valid playstyle-but if I don't see the investigative intent behind it, why should I assume it's town? I do not consider this a convincing reason to vote you, the first part is the big reason. I'm only responding to it due to your question.
I can ask questions all day. That fact alone will never tell you what my role PM says. The fact that you do the same isn't going to tell me anything about yours. Thecontentof those questions, on the other hand, are very valuable.
I think its quality is independent of whether or not I explain it. If you want to replace "pure shit" with "unclear" or "unvoiced" that would probably be more appropriate.In post 224, Mega Frozen wrote:unless you explain why is that scummy your argument is pure shit.-
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In post 265, Mega Frozen wrote:I didn't understand it and I didn't put anything in your mouth?
and yes I felt your discourageing people from that by saying their both nai and it shouldn't be followed. thats why I asked about it from you in first place
This is exactly what I am talking about. This is not an accurate portrayal at all of my post. What you said was a big misinterpretation of my post at best. Here it is quoted again:In post 266, Mega Frozen wrote:Did you or did you not claim both what has been done about Dunn and Iron were NAI to explain why your not going to follow the formed wagons/arguements against them or not?
How was my question putting something in your mouth?
This is in response to a townread given on the basis of their claim. I wasn't discouraging people from questioning them further like you were suggesting-I was discouraging people from townreading them based off their claim alone. If anything I was encouraging skepticism. It suggests you weren't (and still aren't)In post 135, Prism wrote:I don't think either Dunn or Iron's claims are particularly town. They're a balance factor that make sense as starting spells for either alignment, and there are real incentives to immediately claim them as mafia.actuallykeeping track of my thoughts or trying to see into my mind like you claim. Presumably, if you were trying to understand my thought process, you would have actually taken note of what I said. How you described it in #185 and now is completely inaccurate.
Polite is the closest synonym.In post 265, Mega Frozen wrote:and I think I don't understand english here. what is courteous exactly? I interpreted it as somthing that you judge true not nice
I'm trying to explain my thought process to you. You know I'm trying to explain it to you. Asking like I'm avoiding the answer is really redundant.In post 265, Mega Frozen wrote:I know how to scumhuant thank you ; you don't need to start teaching me. what about me asking questions is scummy?
You can insult my argument all you want, but as I said, you can't judge it accurately before you have it explained to you. If no one explained the Theory of Relativity to you, would it be pure shit as well?Frozen Angel wrote:I never insulted you in any manner stop taking offended mantle. I insulted your scumread on my play style. Idea's are insultable. and no its not just unclear. its pure shit.
Trying to understand someone else's argument while calling it pure shit-without ever hearing it-is not trying to understand someone's argument. It's assuming they're wrong from the start.
P-Edit: I have responded to all of your #267 in full within the post itself. You are acting like I am taking issue with scumhunting in general, or with asking questions. I have made it clear that this is not my argument. I, again, do not thinkthat questionhadrealintent to investigate my alignment.-
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You're taking this as an attack on your playstyle, which itis not.It is questioning why you, as someone who is trying to "get into the minds of others" and asking questions to "draw it out" did not take note of what my post said. Your account of my post was that I was discouraging questioning Dunn/iron, and would be very scummy indeed if it were true. Yet, it never happened. In truth I did the opposite. This seems contradictory to me. Are you really trying to get into my mind if you didn't even try to understand my statement to begin with, or are you just looking for a reason to push a lynch?-
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Frozen's play is probably worth a metadive and I'll try to get around to it another day. To answer Gamma, I did RQS because I thought it would be useful. I didn't spend too much time thinking them up, they were just the first ones I thought of in 2-3 minutes, but they all have a purpose. What answer did you expect from a scum vs. town me here?
This is a pretty big overreaction. Does your FOS have even a 50% chance of being mafia? If you're town, there's 9 other town and 3 mafia. I wouldn't be so eager to jump into giving us something that's likely a double mislynch. Saying this just makes me want to lynch you hoping you're mafia and then subsequently discard your FoS if you flip town, and that's not the thought you want to inspire in anyone.[quote="InIn post 357, ironstove wrote:I'm not, but I want to see frozen lynched and if me flipping town proves my fos isn't scum motivated then maybe you guys will listen.Can you expound on this? The reasoning isn't immediately clear to me.
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I was also curious about the Frozen townread. Was that a part you agree withIn post 357, ironstove wrote:I'm not, but I want to see frozen lynched and if me flipping town proves my fos isn't scum motivated then maybe you guys will listen.-
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@Batoru
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This post was a mistake-I didn't mean to quote iron here. This is directed to Batoru.In post 363, Prism wrote:
I was also curious about the Frozen townread. Was that a part you agree withIn post 357, ironstove wrote:I'm not, but I want to see frozen lynched and if me flipping town proves my fos isn't scum motivated then maybe you guys will listen.-
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That's the point, given that any player drawn at random has a 25% chance of being scum, are you even confident in your read doubling that chance? Chances are your current FOS is not 2x more accurate than a name drawn at random, regardless of how good of a player you are. This goes even more when you yourself said you weren't that sure. That chance was arbitrary to demonstrate my point-why rush into something that's more likely than not a back to back mislynch as town?In post 375, ironstove wrote:This is a pretty scummy post. How exactly can I determine if my fos has a '50% chance they are mafia'?
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Do mafia go out of their way to look like they have a mafia mindset?In post 367, BATORU wrote:(with the mindset that they're town and a lot of "am I crazy?" and "find another ML to push"-type stuff + some other posts I'd have to go back and quote to explain)
What's odd about it? I explained it pretty clearly (and more than once, out of necessity). Jumping to considering SvS here is really puzzling to me as well, unless you scumread both of us which is not what you've expressed.In post 367, BATORU wrote:JaeReed thought your vote on the wagon was odd and I don't think it was SvS odd.-
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Let's review the timeline here. In #184 I take issue with a question that to me seemed pretty pointless, in the sense that it didn't help discern my alignment. Frozen immediately responds explaining that it's to see what bothers me.In post 396, BATORU wrote:The general feel of the thread seemed to just start edging towards more people scumreading Mega Frozen. Fire Assassin outed a scumread on them, and then you voted following that, whilst citing a post that you had previously responded to with seeming polite gratitude as a reason. It didn't sit right with me. It felt like you were trying to find a reason to go with the flow and blend in.
In post #190, I first pointed out the discrepancy between what I said and Frozen's description. Additionally, I made it very clear that I only considered Frozen's response to 184 courteousif true.
Fire's FoS is given in #217 and I follow it up with my vote in #220
The last part is what you're referring to as strange. Yet, I expressed skepticism of the purpose of the questionIn post 220, Prism wrote:#185 is some pretty accusatory language putting something in my mouth, and while their stated reason behind the question is courteous, I'm not really sure I buy it. My impression of it was that it was a question for the sake of it.twicebefore Fire's FoS or my vote, once by asking directly and once by implying I didn't necessarily believe it. The fact I'd cite not believing it, then, should not be a surprise. Additionally, I make it clear in the posts thereafter that the main reason I am voting for them is not the original question but about their description of my statements on Dunn/iron-and expound on that indepth in the subsequent posts, which I considered much worse.
Timeline shows I definitely wasn't just following Fire.
Following up on this section, what was your judgement of my point on Frozen's misinterpretation of my post (later plausibly explained by Frozen)? Did you not find it scummy prior to resolution? Why not?In post 396, BATORU wrote:It felt like you were trying to find a reason to go with the flow and blend in.-
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I thought I had submitted a post containing my answers to my own questions-it appears that was not the case.
1) What's your favorite game of mafia? What happened?I was scum, and leveraged a player's ego and obsession with proving themselves my better for my own use. I got them to purposely scumread me knowing they'd blow the subsequent 3 way out of arrogance. I was right. The player considered the game a moral victory. Next favorite would be the time I confidently declared I would hammer all three mafia back to back, and proceeded to go 0/4. There's a lesson in both of these-egos lose games.
2) Do you feel like you get lynched more as town or scum? What do you think the typical reasoning is?I get lynched more as town. My mafia game is considerably stronger above my town game. I fake a lot of common towntells as mafia, but make no effort to fake them as town. The result is the ironic perception that I'm being "less town than normal" the games I am actually town.
3) Describe your mindset when playing scum. Eg. Is your main focus to towntell, to set up mislynches, to set up your partners, to bruteforce a win yourself?I prefer to trade myself for two mislynches by bruteforcing one mislynch then framing someone else to go down with me afterwards. I let my partners do the rest. I do not like to be the scum making a deep run.-
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Second part of this is what I want a response to.
Anything I do in a mafia game is because I think it's useful-I don't do anything, or say a single word, that I think is useless. I mean this in the most literal sense. Call it wanting to if it makes it easier.In post 409, Gamma Emerald wrote:I expected town you to answer something like "I wanted to do it" or whatever.
Why?In post 409, Gamma Emerald wrote:I'll be honest here: the use of RQS from you pings my scumdar.-
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I'm liking my vote on Gamma more now. I questioned the Frozen read as townreads from others came in affirming that this is just how Frozen plays, but it still came off as too forceful with the "I'm town" reminders. Since Gamma's gone solo it's made me feel better about it.
That's probably because your read was bullshit.In post 427, Gamma Emerald wrote:I can't tell you.
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@Nahdia: V/LA until Monday
Noted.
Will respond to everything when I have time, only thing that's a short response is
@Ruko:I meant to type "Why or why not?" but I was exhausted and just typed the last part. I noticed it last night but didn't bother correcting it as it was a tone issue not a semantic one.. Looking forward to your reread of the question later, and will respond to the rest of yours when time is created.-
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Pretty humorous that pointing out that giving us a 75% chance of a double mislynch is not a good town play earns me a vote.
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Alright, finally have time.
First, again, Sondam, can you please stop posting 9 times in a row and try to keep it 3 or less? It's obnoxious to read and so far I haven't bothered since early on.
You wish. There's 0 chance you think me using RQS is a scumtell and I'm probably going to move my vote back in a day or two.In post 476, Gamma Emerald wrote:You can buzz off.
#482 isn't "nitpicky". It's an entirely different argument from what was being portrayed, it wasn't just arguing phrasing. People were missing my point entirely.In post 484, Not Chara wrote:Prism: i see your points on Frozen, and ones like 482 in particular seem very nit-picky.
Disagree. Any town player, sure. Frozen's described mindset, it is a lot less likely to make that mistake. Conclusion: Probably wasn't in the mindset described.In post 484, Not Chara wrote:if one is misreading/misunderstanding the wording of something, it's NAI. she wouldn't be more likely to pick up on that as town, and trying to quantify how much a player is trying to read you based on something so flimsy, is just going to lead to a lot of unnecessary semantic arguments.
No reason to do it.In post 496, BATORU wrote:What don't you like about Dunn's jump to your defense?
I haven't read Sondam and have no plans to do so.In post 496, BATORU wrote:How do you feel about Sondam stating Dunn is scum then voting BTD6?
Don't know their alignment but whatever they're doing now isn't what they should be doing, and I've already been over why.In post 496, BATORU wrote:Thoughts on iron?-
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To clarify, "Frozen intentionally misrepresented me and is therefore scum" and "Frozen accidentally misrepresented me in her question, which based off of her expressed intention to really dig deep and get into my head with her questions, seems less likely as town" are two very different things.In post 544, Prism wrote:It's an entirely different argument from what was being portrayed, it wasn't just arguing phrasing. People were missing my point entirely.-
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Again for supposedly being more likely to use RQS as scum. God only knows how I'd ever manage to play as mafia if I can't even figure out how I prefer to start the game as town.In post 660, Gamma Emerald wrote:Prism: scum-
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Your only cited reason is the fact I used RQS. If I'm scum, and I can't even figure out that I don't RQS as town, I'm a horrible scum.In post 681, Gamma Emerald wrote:BTW could you explain what you mean by this?-
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So to be explicit, you townread all of Batoru, Dunn, BTD6, Gamma, Dreamers, Fire, Wisdom, and pisskop?In post 820, Nosferatu wrote:sondam might be just terribad town and the scum team might just be {not chara, ironstove, prism}. Not entirely sure. Fine lynching any of those 4 though.
Suggestion of anything ironstove/me is borderline hilarious.
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I don't like either of these votes. I still prefer Dunnstral and Nosferatu, more the former than the latter.
VOTE: Dunnstral
I haven't like Dunnstral all game. Things like #263 feel like hogwash to me. The townread on me made no sense. In #350 they said they thought this game matched Frozen's town meta, but the game he links in #459 has Frozen playing entirely differently. The explanation behind his votes is nonexistent and he's been almost entirely on the defensive, either directly or indirectly through posts that have no point other than to say something for the sake of it. Posts like #1131 and #1180 don't feel legitimate whatsoever. His posts for the past 600 or so have been practically useless outside of discussing his own claim.
Gamma has gotten a lot more town ever since our interaction like 20 pages back where he went through and read the game giving his stream of consciousness. Batoru is still very town in my book.
I don't like the Sondam wagon much at all, G's attitude all game has been awful but I'm not here to lynch people for having a bad attitude. The only read that I really questioned, G's TR on Iron, I found myself agreeing with after I went back and ISO'd them. I'm not pisskop's #1 fan either but I think there's better votes eg. Dunnstral, but if I'm forced to vote between these two that's who I'm choosing later.-
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My reads are the same as yours besides Dunnstral. Why is the last part alignment indicative?In post 1435, Sickofit1138 wrote:I really really dislike Prism. Her reads are BS and the whole "can you consolidate your posts please" said several times is yucky.
In post 1436, Sickofit1138 wrote:VOTE: Prism
Is this a viable wagon? I would rather this over Pisskop.
Uh?In post 1435, Sickofit1138 wrote:Pisskop is scum for obvious reasons. Dodgy, isn't offering any help really.-
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Sorry, what? I had a lengthy dukeout with Frozen, a followup with Batoru, another dukeout with Gamma, and finally points against Dunnstral. My requests about post consolidation haveIn post 1439, Sickofit1138 wrote:No emotion at all just spouting out reads reasons and asking people to consolidate their posts.neverbeen posted on their own without significant content accompaniment except for #677, which is in the middle of a dialogue with Gamma.
As for "no emotion" how you get no emotion out of: #458 especially, #462, #494, #544, #663, #1411.
If anything this is the most emotional or personal I've ever gotten in an online mafia game.
P-Edit: Not a fan of no lynch. Odd numbers etc.-
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I really hate these top two wagons but we're all out of time. Vote is on the weaker townread not because of Gamma's claim.
VOTE: Sondam
Gamma needs to ping Iron tonight, and no other town should target Iron
This is in my opinion but pinging is negative utility anyway, Gamma can decide for himself how viable my proposal is, and what on earth town wants to target iron with anything else? Don't do it.-
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Sondam is at L-2 what the fuck are you talking aboutIn post 1518, ironstove wrote:It's unfortunate that we're going to no lynch. If there was a wagon available for me to jump onto right now I would.-
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I've just been skimming but that's L-1 for Nosferatu. I haven't read that much so I'm not eager to hammer it this early even though I scumread Nos pretty hard.
Before we get a hammer, I want to know who got Gamma's pinging spell.
I suggest Gamma use it on Ironstove to test his reflective shield claim. Gamma doesn't have a reflective shield, and he doesn't have his spell either.-
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I forgot beeboy took over, so there's a chance they missed that/why they should have done it, but regardless I want to know who has it, because if no one does it means it was used on Iron and Iron lied about their reflective shield claim. Testing this claim (and messing with ones like scry) are basically its only use so I don't think claiming it has much harm.-
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Is this the pinging ability Gamma described or something else?In post 1704, Sickofit1138 wrote:I received an ability called "alert" last night.-
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Good point, unlikely partner in any case.In post 1995, BATORU wrote:
That would be positing that Aj roleblocked Dunnstral using a spell, though, and caused a no kill as his partner. If you were going to do that wouldn't you go for roleblocking him and having another partner do the kill?In post 1991, Prism wrote:Will have more thoughts over the weekend but for now I still FoS Aj. Ironstove was still playing to his wincon all game despite going off the deepend at the end, and that wincon apparently included lying about his spells.
I mean, if he didn't roleblock him and instead no kill gambited, we'll see it with the flip, that's why I specifically asked if it was a spell or an ability. It's too easy a lie to be caught out on.
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