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Gut, specifically you were a little quick to call people scum (and I know you say it was for reactions with gin, but still)In post 928, Elsa and Anna wrote:
I'm the exactly same dismotivated angry FA soIn post 925, Infinity 324 wrote:FA, would you say you're playing the same or different from the hydra blitz
RC can answer too
what in first 6 pages make you ask this?
I noticed a couple similarities and I often find it useful to judge people's descriptions of their own play to see if they are genuineIn post 930, Elsa and Anna wrote:Thats such a bizzare question
Explain the logic behind that question
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Yep here we goIn post 934, Elsa and Anna wrote:VOTE: Infinity 324
This is where I fakeclaim cop guilties.
we're lynching this today.
You, I think, since you did most of the posting in the first few pages
Gin and spammers
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Key word there is overly.In post 939, Elsa and Anna wrote:Oh wait a hydra of Frozen Angel and RadiantCowbells is aggressive who would have thought it dear lord it's insane!!!!
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RC was overly aggressive in his response to my questionIn post 945, Elsa and Anna wrote:
where was I overly aggressive? I'm not actually pushing anyone imoIn post 941, Infinity 324 wrote:
Key word there is overly.In post 939, Elsa and Anna wrote:Oh wait a hydra of Frozen Angel and RadiantCowbells is aggressive who would have thought it dear lord it's insane!!!!
You're not trying to figure me out at all, I would've expected you to at least fake it
I didn't call people scummy in hydra blitz I practically lurked till EOD2
Why you asked that question?
#Elsa
I went back and checked...you (as a head) were suspicious of a lot of different stuff even if it was just individual posts and you ended up having a townread on that slot.
I explained why I asked the meta question, it's because I find that people describing their own playstyles can often gie me a better read on them
Hi! I love your sigIn post 947, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:HEY INFINITY!
@RCIn post 948, Elsa and Anna wrote:
that was @RC or me?In post 946, Infinity 324 wrote:I heard once that a hydra partner of yours sometimes likes to exaggerate for reactions. Guess what? Me too.
#Elsa
This is tiring and I think that means I'm right
*deep breath*
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The arguments are not reaction tests, the confidence is.In post 951, Elsa and Anna wrote:So for you to come in here and call us scum for something that doesn't make sense and accuse us of being aggressive when it doesn't make sense then say you were exaggerating for reactions
I want to play to my wincon, and that means lynching scum...do you really want to get lynched on day 1 instead of someone else who might possibly be scum because you insisted on antagonizing two people who deathtunnel shitty FoSes on them?
...no matter how frustrating or difficult that may be.
But I find it funny (though also possible from town) that you're being so transparent about your intentions--don't try to convince me you're town, try to convince me you're not worth pushing.
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I asked aIn post 954, Elsa and Anna wrote:Like there's so much different. In the Blitz I was the driving head and Elsa showed up when we got pressured. In this game Elsa is the driving head and I am only showing up when I want to do something big.
In the blitz we were aggressively pushing a number of slots. In this we're mostly just focusing on a few people that we're concerned are scum.
If you think that replacing in and making a demonstrably dishonest comparison is reaction testing then I have some news for you bud.
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to see how you would respond. I'm not saying you played the same for sure, because I am on
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This does not come from town!RCIn post 966, Elsa and Anna wrote:Hey guys I'm not sure how to explain this since I was townreading Gin for most of the game but I just had a sudden epiphany of not liking the slot.-
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I'm thinking about it, and I don't see what you see...In post 978, Elsa and Anna wrote:
THIS IS A LITERAL SCUMCLAIM. THIS POST MAKES NO SENSE UNLESS THEY ARE SCUM. THINK ABOUT IT FROM REAL GIN'S POV.In post 976, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:You have an ego problem...-
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I'm always open to changing my opinions, but I don't think I'll have to this timeIn post 988, Elsa and Anna wrote:Infinity I'll be blunt I don't give a shit about convincing you that we're town. You either are too paranoid of our slot to matter or are scum; either way you are not worth our time.
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...why?In post 1002, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:We have a vig alive, so we either keep the vig alive or me, just out of spite I'm going to go ahead give you a big fuck you. I'm the 1-shot role cop. You can leave your ego any fucking day sweetheart.
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Ok I'll be watching.In post 1007, Elsa and Anna wrote:Oh and infinity if you're town you should be watching because this iscategoricaltown!RC play.
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In post 851, Elsa and Anna wrote:>.>
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... y_Neighbor
yeah
During Dota Mafia design reallo told a wrong name for this role to me then, I was using this shit for a long time now >.>
We are a messenger - the role that sends a message but won't confirm us directly.
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Back to catching up...
No he didn't, he said that the content FA posted was more AI than the RVS. That doesn't mean it's enough to get a solid read.In post 138, MagnaofIllusion wrote:You just said that you could discern Elsa’s alignment.
Magna is his usual nitpicky wallposty self...
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...we'll talk when you make your caseIn post 1029, Elsa and Anna wrote:Infinity would you stop trying to throw lifelines to caught scum because if you keep doing it you are going to get vigged tonight.
@Gin Uh, we get it. RC and FA have egos. It's not really helping anything to keep pointing that out-
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I didn't see this actuallyIn post 138, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
Let’s play spot the contradiction. Ten points to whoever buzzes in first.In post 27, Elsa and Anna wrote:Rc starts a lot of games accusing someone to be their scum partner to find a scum like you - attacking back
pedit : Are you saying RC accusing their hydra partner as a joke and game starting with selfvote in RVS is scummy That much that you want Meta to reconsider?-
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Damn right it isIn post 165, Ælla Was Spine wrote:My gut is saying Prohawk is town right now, I really like how he asked for evidence on RC's reaction tests the way he did. The way he went about it felt really authentic to me
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I think I like this post. It's a bit nitpicky, but it's page 7 so trying to make something out of not very much is a towntell for me.
PEdit: RC, I never said you were confirmed scum. I acted like my reasons were more definitive than they really were, yes. I'm definitely willing to re-evaluate, if you give me a reason to do so. Right now I'm just seeing more evidence you're scum. Conf bias? Maybe, but it's not like I'm seeing everything you do as scummy.-
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No, I did say that I thought one of your posts was overly aggressive, and I also gave a lot of other reasons. If you want me to townread you guys, this misrepping is not helping.In post 1053, Elsa and Anna wrote:I think that we've given you plenty of reasons to believe that we are town. You not believing that means that you are either scum or completely incapable of reading us.
What do you want me to do, argue with you? you haven't made a case. you just replaced in and said some bullshit about how 2 of the most aggressive players ever are scum for being aggressive.
Also, this
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The part I mentioned is secondhand, I remember people talking about how you use that particular line a lot as scum.In post 1059, Elsa and Anna wrote:Infinity you've played what like 2 games with me? People with 30+ games with me can't read me well. Why do you think that you have a contextual understanding of what Scum!RC is and isn't?
And I feel like I have a general understanding of your personality/playstyle, if not the specific differences between your town and scum games.
Because he's upset and needs a break, lolIn post 1060, Elsa and Anna wrote:And see look. I think Infinity knows that Gin is digging his hole deeper and trying his best to bail him out. Where's the town motivation to tell him to bail here?
PEdit: yes it is a misrep, I'll quote all the places where I brought up a point against you later.
I want you to explain a possible scum motivation for me coming into the thread and immediately voting a very aggressive, OMGUSy, and strong town hydra.-
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...I said that onceIn post 1064, Elsa and Anna wrote:Infinity isn't trying to read me. He's sitting there taking stuff out of context and saying it's 'something that scum rc does' without giving any sort of explanation as to why that's the case.-
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If you really believe this, that's very sad.In post 1069, Elsa and Anna wrote:Infinity I am going to not talk to you because you are either scum or are the kind of person who doesn't vaccinate their children IRL because they think it will give them autism.
I reallly don't believe that you are the latter category, but I am just covering my bases in case you are town because I believe it still IS possible. Not for Gin tho.
It wasn't someone I talked to, it was in post game for a marathon I believe and it's possible it might be wrong. It's possible people (you included iirc) were saying you say that line as scum but you also say it as town. I just put in the info in my back pocket cause I thought it might be useful later.In post 1070, RadiantCowbells wrote:Also wait what the fuck are you really going to try and tell everyone in this game that you have secret discussions about the lines I use as scum and that's the one that came up?
Like first off let's talk about this. Who are you saying that you talked to about what my scum game is like and when did this happen because this is a pretty ridiculous claim.
As for the phrase, lol. There's so many lines that are legitimately scum indicative for me and you picked one that I say in pretty much every single game.
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QFTIn post 1076, massive wrote:All this RC and FA stuff is exhausting.
Town games:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p8778079 (was a hydra but I was the main poster. this is the hydra blitz I was referencing earlier)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p8598661 (also a hydra...and I was also the main poster)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p8495081
Scum games:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p8410999
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go-
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Eugh, feels fakeIn post 171, lane0168 wrote:So many active players. I'm not used to this! I guess I'll just do my part by keeping up and jumping in when I think something was missed. Gin is the person I find myself agreeing with most here though. I'll start with that
Oh, duhIn post 173, massive wrote:How can it be a legit way to try and catch a scum attacking back AND be a joke?
Although I'm not sure it's AI-
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I mean, of course not.In post 1079, Ælla Was Spine wrote:I don't think they're lying about their role tho
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HmmIn post 177, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
We are on page 7. I’m going to drill down where I can.In post 167, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Cry me a fucking river, loosen up, if you seriously think doing that is AI then spill it or I'm not engaging
What is your read on Raging?
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You not understanding is not really my concern. I’m interested in sorting your slot ASAP and talking with the much weaker link of your hydra is the best way to for me to go about it.In post 151, Elsa and Anna wrote:Whether or not I specifically intended to scumhunt off of that the information that we received from it still stands. I legit don't understand why we're having this conversation.
You seem to have me confused with someone who cares one iota for these sort of weak threats.In post 163, Elsa and Anna wrote:This is what it comes down to. What is the point that you are trying to make with regards to our interpreting my original intent with slightly varying degrees of seriousness?
Because if you can't come up with one and continue to press the line of reasoning as though it means something we will be voting you.
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Your opening was pointless IMO. It will mostly catch Town who think that “Teehee, look how scummy I can be in RVS” is alignment indicative and not realize your purposefully play that way as both alignments to not undermine your scum game. And you self-admit that it wasn’t serious. So I’m going to determine as best I can why your partner approached her early game the way she did to see if I can get a read off of her.
After Science Mafia I know you aren’t going to make the same mistake of running right at me Day 1 if you are scum. So I can’t even take this bluster as alignment indicative from your head.
I liked the "drill down where I can" part, it felt kinda genuine and I feel like scum!magna is likely to say "there's no town motivation for not answering the question" and use that as an excuse to scumread gin.
But I don't like how many times magna brings up that he's trying to sort people, it feels LAMIST. (the "drill down where I can" is part of that, but that phrase seemed to be worded more genuinely and the others weren't so much). So overall a slight scum lean for this post.
Ok I like this post better than the first one, though scum could fake itIn post 179, lane0168 wrote:
Well, I don't agree with the town lean on else. I posted that before I saw it. I don't want to go along with whatever you say. And that's certainly not my plan. Part of what I meant stemmed from Alisae being super off and basically being... Difficult when to me you're pretty clearly trying to figure shit out. And that was my reason for the vote there. I didn't think it was too difficult for her to come up with examples of rc doing what she said he does all the time, but she still refused to and acted like your posts and questions are out of line when they certainly were not. She took everything you said and put her own little unnecessary spin in it, and I hated that. Like your wanting specifics, and she jumps to wanting to teach you what scumhunting is... Like wtf is up with that?In post 172, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:My biggest weakness as town is I'm buddied really fucking easy. On mobile but go to my view topics and Micro Vanillish. I was IC and Pine led me to a loss so hard.
So with that being established, I'd like it if you actually tell me what you agree with or why you are okay with just going with whatever I said. I'm not accusing you of buddying I just get paranoid about these things.
Back to the question, is a general reaction of when I'm reading through, I'm reading other players like "wtf?" and I'm reading you like "yeah def" if that makes sense.
Really?In post 181, lane0168 wrote:And don't worry about rc guys, if he's scum, I'll catch him-
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TownyIn post 201, Leonshade wrote:Hmm, I can relate to Gin's frustration in his interactions with RS on page 5. That was painful to read.
I haven't seen scum!n_m do reaction tests like these or even pretend to scumhunt much at all. It might just be whimsy, but more likely to come from town.
Good qIn post 220, lane0168 wrote:
Did it look like he was trying to stall the game? What was your point?In post 209, Not_Mafia wrote:And ending RVS too early is bad and an excellent way to stall a game as scum
Of course FA jumps on the comment that seems slightly out of place...In post 222, Elsa and Anna wrote:lane already picked it up but thats not what I said >.>
I asked if you have a meta of being hardly pushed and getting milynched early game or not?
if the answer is not this comment - out of nowhere - is so damn suspicious. why you ignored the whole game discussions to make a comment about how you are left out?
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He seems to be saying he's trying to sort people more, because I haven't been super impressed by his questions. But I still need to read more.In post 1087, massive wrote:
Do you feel like he's trying to sort people more, or trying to say he's sorting people more?In post 1086, Infinity 324 wrote: But I don't like how many times magna brings up that he's trying to sort people, it feels LAMIST.-
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ooh ooh me meIn post 1093, MagnaofIllusion wrote:what wagon is being “diverted” from?
How about the one they're voting
Anyway, your other points are decent.
Can I get a vote on them?
Just calling this for postgame, but I think there's a higher-than-average chance of MoI and E&A being scumbuddies. In which case we probably lost, but oh well
Could be both town or one town and one scum I think. I actually played a mini normal where there were 2 neighbor rolecops lol (but full rolecops)In post 1094, Not_Mafia wrote:Oh hey so I'm a 1-shot role-cop too
PEdit: Bye FA
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His first post was awkward and then he changed his tone which I found more suspicious. I did say I liked the follow up better but it's still possible from scum.In post 1103, massive wrote:How does lane get below the null line?-
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Well I still haven't caught up so yeah I'm still on your first few posts...
Anyway, your arguments aren't very convincing...I thought your first post was fake. You say it wasn't? Ok, I'm not gonna take your word for it...I read a different tone between your first and second posts. You disagree? Ok, that's how I read it.-
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Realize that I'm still on page 14 so my read is based off of mainly stuff up to there. Cakez's first post had a lot of points I agreed with for example leon's first post being scummy (although I townread leon after) and gin & spammers being town.In post 1111, MagnaofIllusion wrote:@Infinity- please elaborate specifically on why you think Sir Cakez and Aella are Town (or more specifically above the Null line).
ok, fair enoughit clearly isn’t Town to say “Infinity came in and tried to derail from a wagon on his partner, let me move my vote from said wagon to someone else accomplishing exactly what I said was the motive”. In fact it should make hypo-Town RC more likely to keep voting the scum attempting to be diverted from.
Well you're both known for having very strong scumgames, so if you're both scum I find it unlikely town will win.
Huh … so you’ve so easily identified us as possible partners and thus the game is lost? How do you go from point A to point B there Infinity?In post 1101, Infinity 324 wrote: Just calling this for postgame, but I think there's a higher-than-average chance of MoI and E&A being scumbuddies. In which case we probably lost, but oh well
That's probably cause I'm replacing inIn post 1113, eagerSnake wrote:I'd say his posting here looks similar to Tit For Tat, where he was scum.-
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My last town replace-ins were a while ago (and I probably didn't do the spoiler-for-each page thing which I assume is what you noticed in tit for tat) but sure.In post 1119, eagerSnake wrote:Infinity can you show me a few games where you replaced in as town please
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=66713
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=66474
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=66931
One of my favorite towntells is when someone appears to be posting what comes to their mind without filtering it. Spammers appear to be very much that way, without trying too hard to look like it.In post 1120, Leonshade wrote:Could you sum up your Spammers read? (On phone since laptip is acting up, can't check your ISO).-
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Forgot to talk about aella, I liked their reasons to townread prohwak early (though I may be biased )In post 1114, Infinity 324 wrote:Realize that I'm still on page 14 so my read is based off of mainly stuff up to there. Cakez's first post had a lot of points I agreed with for example leon's first post being scummy (although I townread leon after) and gin & spammers being town.
PEdit: MoI idk what to tell you man, I've seen scum convincingly fake that style about once or twice in the past 10 months of playing mafia. So yes I do really believe that.-
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Ir's not tone. It's more like a demeanor. I can't really explain it well, but it's a very reliable tell for me.In post 1127, RagingSpammers wrote:To be fair, i also think its a really bad reason to townread someone, i cant say for ali but if you try to read me from my tone you will fail but with extensive meta knowledge-
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