Mini 1894: DBZ Abridged Mafia - Arrival To Namek (Game Over)

[Majiffy]

I wish I was Popo

[Majiffy]

If I get all the dragonballs can I be like I wish all the scum were gone and automatically win the game

Looks it.

Specifically says "getting all the dragonballs is supposed to be hard, not guaranteed to happen".

[Majiffy]

Wake me up when Nacho shows up

[Majiffy]

VOTE: Almost50

[Majiffy]

I don't see why it can't be.

And the rest of Almost's posts suck.

[Majiffy]

It's a pretty garbage argument, especially considering it implies that the person he voted in RVS is now a scumread with Vifam and he later unvoted.

[Majiffy]

They internally rustle my jimmies.


It's probably personality but I don't want it in the game.

[Majiffy]

hmmmm...
UNVOTE:

I'm reading that as genuine as well.

Jiffy why do Almost posts suck?

Desperado why doesn't scum make that post?

The fuck is this

[Majiffy]

It's a pretty garbage argument, especially considering it implies that the person he voted in RVS is now a scumread with Vifam and he later unvoted.

i'm not concerned with the validity of the argument

@ alisae literally just answered that question

Then you're going to have to unpack what you mean by genuine, because it looks like a hand-wavey dogwhistle for "gut and I don't really have an answer".

[Majiffy]

Re: post in question: Not necessarily. It would be easy rhetorical food for him to force a scumread on Tywin, but he chose to back off and look elsewhere. That's what makes it seem genuine.

See that just strikes me as

less

genuine.

[Majiffy]

You can ONLY wish for someone to be resurrected, unless your Role PM specifies otherwise.

Please quote this because I read the mechanics post several times and I don't see any specification on what can be wished for.

[Majiffy]

Boy that's really buried way late in that explanation

[Majiffy]

Nacho I am disconcerted that your two townreads are the two players I like least thus far.

[Majiffy]

Jiffy what do you think of NC?

No strong opinions either way.

Nacho I am disconcerted that your two townreads are the two players I like least thus far.

I for one am relieved; means I'm on the right track!

[Majiffy]

Nacho I am disconcerted that your two townreads are the two players I like least thus far.

If you'd like to talk about this I'm more than happy to jam with my beautiful boy! Was kind of hoping you'd move to chatting mode after I put you down

Nah I was in a drinking mode.

I'm hungover today though so I'll be around all night.

VOTE: Almost30

Yeah boiiii

[Majiffy]

[Majiffy]

fuck the dragonballs

/series

[Majiffy]

Actually I'm a little miffed the dragonballs become middlingly less and less important as the series goes on until it is eventually just a "OH NO CHARACTER DIED LETS SOB UNTIL SOMEONE REMINDS US WE CAN BRING THEM BACK WITH THE DRAGON BALLS LIKE WE'VE DONE 15 TIMES ALREADY"

[Majiffy]

I haven't seen Super yet

I'm waiting to re-watch the Buu saga as Kai is running now... Then I'll watch Super.

[Majiffy]

@Majiffy: Who are your other scumreads besides Almost50?

Too early to say, I think.

Got a couple townreads, that's about it.

[Majiffy]

Wall posts aren't bad you just need to learn to be a bit more concise with them.

[Majiffy]

Wall posts aren't bad you just need to learn to be a bit more concise with them.

Haha the sad thing is that college taught me to write the way I do. It's a byproduct of needing a way to easily write essays that fit the arbitrary page/word count requirements. I also have a bachelors in English, so as you can imagine, my skill in writing convoluted BS skyrocketed.

I'll try to be more concise in the future.

I understand. I had to write a 40 page thesis that I ended up clocking in around 20.

[Majiffy]

Most meta is garbage.

[Majiffy]

This may or may not be considered a prod dodge.

I'll be back on Monday, probably. Maybe tomorrow but unlikely.

[Majiffy]

VOTE: Tywin

Read his ISO. It's "say first, act later". "Town should be doing this. Scum would be doing that.", while he's doing that and then later switches to this.

Note, for example, his vote kerplunked on Clumsy, without pushing the wagon, complaining about how un-named people have empty votes on other wagons.

Read his "angry" posts about how there's too much fluff in the game, the 2 or 3 of them in a row that are much longer than they need to be and don't really come to any conclusions.

Check how his reads lag behind his reasoning. He'll test the waters with some things, see what's popular, and then move his reads there.

It's very followy.

[Majiffy]

but Majiffy, what i actually want from you is an opinion on your wagon. reads on the players on it.

I have no opinion on your or Zefiend.

I'm voting Tywin.

[Majiffy]

On another note, I don't see what Majiffy is talking about here. I thought Tywin was actually providing reads and stances that are hard to retract later, and -aside from ABR- I like that we mostly have the same reads more or less.

Look again.

Lots of words =/= substance.

His posts are the epitome of fluffernutter look-good-do-nothing.

[Majiffy]

I understand you're new here but "freaking out and making stupid plays" is not a way any single person who has ever played with me would describe my scum game.

So you can try with a "lol omgus obvscum" argument, or you could try refuting my actual reasons for voting you. Which I presented.

[Majiffy]

I love how every post you make, first on Almost and now on me (the only two people you've now engaged with all game long, and at least one being obvious OMGUS) is trying to say our posts are trash and full of words without substance. Everyone in the game can read, so your point is clearly false. It's a HUGE reach and comes from scum, because you have absolutely nothing else to use here. You haven't looked for scum all game long, hid like the lurker you are, and then when called out, you try saying my posts are a lot of trash words that do nothing and blah blah blah.

You're obv scum IMO. You're jumpy as fuck, freaking out over being called out, and twice now have used the same tired, completely false reasoning to vote people (two total). You've done nothing and have the nerve to somehow say others have, yet anyone can ISO both of us and see a clear difference. It's painfully obvious.

My vote will be staying.

Just so we have the chronology right here, I had a scumread on you before you voted me.

So technically the only one OMGUSing here is you.

[Majiffy]

You've made claims that don't hold up to an ISO.

Note, for example, his vote kerplunked on Clumsy, without pushing the wagon, complaining about how un-named people have empty votes on other wagons.

Vote Count 1.06

Clumsy Phoenix

(3/7)

- Tywin Lannister, MariaR, Alisae

Things I dislike: Almost and NC wagons, the naked votes on those wagons (Vifam, etc), and the RVS voters still not changing their votes to a SR. Everyone should have at least one gut SR by now, so waiting to switch becomes scummy at a certain point. It's a way to opportunistically jump on a townie sheep wagon to push a mislynch. Keep an eye on those people. I'll reread and find out exactly who they are since I don't know for sure.

Go ahead and CTRL+F clumsy in Tywin's ISO. It's an RVS vote followed by more-or-less "yep dis mah scumread yep gonna keep votin' dis yep" without ever trying to change anyone else's minds.

Sounds an awful lot like "a way to opportunistically jump on a townie sheep wagon to push a mislynch", eh?

Read his "angry" posts about how there's too much fluff in the game, the 2 or 3 of them in a row that are much longer than they need to be and don't really come to any conclusions.

The last few pages suck. Let me get that out of the way. Nothing worthwhile has been said. It's all talk about motivations for TRs rather than finding scum. Imperium seems to be sorting players somewhat, but going in the wrong direction for it. Enough of why you TR someone. It's worthless. I personally don't care who TRs who. It just means they aren't in your lynch pool for whatever arbitrary reason. I also dislike motives and things being discussed, because all motives boil down to two things: town lynching scum and scum not getting lynched/mislynching town. It's pretty damn simple.

So since you're all here and ready to talk, let's talk. I'm about to go to bed, but when you all wake up, drink your morning coffee, and check the thread, here's what I personally wanna see: Scum reads/lynch pool and specific reasons as to why.

The rest boils down to fluff and makes people look like they're contributing/active while they say nothing. Imperium has done that to a T with their posts. It's all questioning TRs and learning motivation for them rather than saying 'I SR the following player(s) and here's why.'

So give that info and take a stance. Stop walking the fence and discussing everything except who to lynch. It's pinging me due to the constant fluff, and the only reason I'm saying it is A) because it may be your specific way to sort (although I find that it sidesteps the entire point to discuss TRs over SRs) and B) I want to get some meat and potatoes in this game. Currently, its some nouveau artisan food that's arranged all pretty, but it consists of a carrot, two peas, an eggsprout, and some chicken shavings. The game is starving for actual content.

Tl;dr: get to the point and give your SRs. Take a stance and say why. Not doing so is becoming scummy.

Boy that's an awful lot of words for saying you don't like fluff.

Almost like you're trying to fake indignant town anger.

Check how his reads lag behind his reasoning. He'll test the waters with some things, see what's popular, and then move his reads there.

Check this out

It's also an excuse to keep feeling out the townies and see which ones to push/not push/budd/etc. I do that shit as scum all the time. Take a stance or get lynched. That's my opinion

This is important. Remember this.

Things I dislike: Almost and NC wagons, the

naked votes on those wagons

(Vifam, etc)

, and the RVS voters still not changing their votes to a SR. Everyone should have at least one gut SR by now, so waiting to switch becomes scummy at a certain point. It's a way to opportunistically jump on a townie sheep wagon to push a mislynch.

Keep an eye on those people.

I'll reread and find out exactly who they are since I don't know for sure.

Remember this?

Speaking of Vifam: is this his new meta now to basically do nothing every game/pretend to not care, or should I SR him everytime he does it? If town, he's the perfect mislynch, but if scum, he's gonna skate by for a long time doing this.

Here's a little soft fos on Vifam. Expect him to follow it up, yeah?

Desperado takes the bait - Says he doesn't like the Almost wagon (Vifam, Majiffy)

VC - 1 vote Majiffy, no vote Vifam

Zefiend kerplunks a vote, 2 votes Majiffy now

Here's Tywin saying he'll lynch just about anyone. Note the townhedge on Vifam despite a soft-fos earlier, no support for that wagon.

Chara makes a call for more votes

And then Tywin follows the popular sentiment with a weak vote that was demonstrably false (my ISO being all fluff). Also more Vifam hedging.





TL;DR he has repeatedly demonstrated to be playing to his self-described scum meta, presumably having described it in some kind of lampshading technique. His reads don't follow a natural progression, and he follows popular sentiment with hedgy reads so if any wagons he's on flips town, he can say he was just following other people.

[Majiffy]

Majiffy who else is scum?

Still scumreading Almost.

Not having a good time getting traction with a lot of reads. Feeling pretty detatched from this playerlist.

[Majiffy]

So, let me get this one more time:

Tywin is scummy, and part of it is bc he FoS'd Vifam but didn't follow it, and he seems to have switched it to TR.

Almost is scummy, and part of it is bc he noted Tywin didn't address the Vifam vote on him during RVS.

But Vifam is not scummy or anything close, God forbid.

It's overarching behavior, not specific slots.

Both of your behaviors don't follow the things you say.

Like if I was SRing Tywin at all mt money would be on Vifam being his p, and if anyone is SR'ing me they'd TR Tywin for my "attempt to shade him" <sick> there.

So, myself and Tywin are scum and we're both moving away from the lynchbaity slots like Clumsy & Vifam, and deciding to bark at a bigger dog that can apparently bark back at us.

Tywin put his vote on me at a time where he wouldn't know I would "bark back". So for all intents and purposes, he did not "move away" from "lynchbait". Instead, he moved decided

towards

it. Or at least, the notion of it.

I don't know who you're on and you don't seem to be making any loud pushes, so I can't speak to that.

Am I making any sense? Probably not. But my ear hurts and it's making me want to scream and curse, so I'm not going to reread what I just typed.

Go get your ear taken care of. I had an acute ear infection a few years ago, it was awful.

[Majiffy]

So I knew you were going to vote me 300+ posts before you did and scumread you for it in the past because I'm a time lord got it

[Majiffy]

And I love your quotations around 'case' as if I didn't present one with quotes and examples like you were whining about.

[Majiffy]

You're pretty much resorting to just ignoring my case and lying at this point.

[Majiffy]

My points remain though.

No. I've shut every single one down.

I find his case an invalid hand wave that is easily proven false

And yet you haven't touched it.

twisting words into a false narrative

Such as?

and overall only doing it after he was called out.

You mean after I caught up? Shocker that I didn't do anything while I was busy elsewhere.

[Majiffy]

You could just put your vote there.

[Majiffy]

I think Tywin is just pissed because what he thought was gonna be an easy wagon isn't an easy wagon.

[Majiffy]

Attaboy

[Majiffy]

You're defending a guy that was the epitome of a useless lurker

Words =/= substance. Most of my ISO deals directly with the gamestate and has minimal fluff.

You haven't addressed any of his points

Neither have you.

Your mock posts are bullshit. You're defending a scummy player by calling his attacker scum while not addressing any points anyone has made.

"Everyone who scumreads me is scum", a

short

novel by Tywin Lannister

ignoring all the scummy things he's done all game.

Such as? All you've really done is say my ISO is empty, which is... provably false. I provided a case. Your turn.

I mean if I really had to I could dismantle Majiffy's "case" but I think Tywin can fight his own battles.

Well he has flatly ignored everything thus far so why don't you step up to the plate and give it a crack there Baby Ruth

[Majiffy]

Feels like everything I say, Majiff says 'nah nah I'm rubber you're glue' and repeats it back, regardless of what's been said. It's just shit slinging right now.

[Majiffy]

Majiff: do you really want me to post everything you've done in sequence to show how empty it is and useless you've been? I can. It won't take that long, but I'm sure it will be tedious for others to read when they can simply ISO you and form their own opinions.

Sure

And after you're done with that, you can stop pretending like you're not ignoring my case on you.

[Majiffy]

As trump would say: SAD

Wait did you just say this unironically


I am losing it

[Majiffy]

Protip: You didn't have much to say before, but you sure did use a lot of words to get there.

[Majiffy]

Also I like how you were so gung-ho ready to 1v1 me earlier and now that it doesn't look like my wagon is going to take off like you thought it would, you're backing away from that read a bit and preparing to settle for "ok this is TvT if everyone else says so"

[Majiffy]

Poked the wrong bear, bucko.

You should run along and go do that post-by-post analysis of my ISO like you said you would. Maybe then you'll find my case on you that shows how everything you've been spouting is wholly incorrect.

Or maybe you'll just ignore the posts that don't fit your narrative. That's been your MO so far.

[Majiffy]

I did, it want those 3 minutes back.

[Majiffy]

If I addressed everything you said every time you posted I would be repeating myself an awful lot and would probably have to replace out of every other game I'm playing with and shut myself indoors until this game was over.

Everyone seems to ignore the facts and go for mockery/trolling instead

[Majiffy]

I'll just keep repeating this

There's a plot twist if I've ever seen one

[Majiffy]

This head thinks Tywin is looking worse and worse as this goes on. It might be pot calling kettle black and all, but desp does seem to be sidelining and doesn't look good to me as a result. Clumshead isn't at work but idk where he's at.

-Shaziro

Mighty lonely on this wagon

[Majiffy]

I don't think there's any threat of a quickhammer.

You should put it there now and then if your other head has serious concerns they can move it.

[Majiffy]

It'd mean a real lot to me if you did

[Majiffy]

I don't want to discuss Imperium until I have quality alone time with Nacho

[Majiffy]

ok
VOTE: Desperado

[Majiffy]

Why are we returning to an RVS wagon

Tywin is literally lying about the nature of thijngs

[Majiffy]

What I can say for sure is that anyone that scum reads me over Majiff simply hasn't read anything or they're scum. It's that simple. Majiff doesn't have a case

Like this is empirically false.

And the rest of his argument for me-scum is that I'm not engaging him, well everything he's said has been addressed two or three times over. If he continues to ignore it, what more is there for me to say?

Oh and I note that I challenged him to go post-by-post and argue his case for me-scum based on the things he said he saw in my ISO

Did he do that? Nope. Just more shitpost lying.

[Majiffy]

If we don't lynch people for lying I don't see the point in playing the game.

Townies shouldn't be lying in 99.9% of plausible scenarios, and certainly not about self-evident matters of public knowledge.

[Majiffy]

town lie all the time, especially about obvious things. usually because they think they're telling the truth.

Even when they're literally shown they're wrong?

What about saying one thing and doing another? He's been doing that all game, as evinced in my case.

What about projecting? His entire case on me is essentially the one I proved on him, that he continues to ignore exists.

It's boggling that everyone is bending over backwards to TR scummy behavior.

[Majiffy]

Isn't that exactly what you were doing with your vote on me here?

P-edit: Oh, really! OK, here's for Vifam's, Alisae's & Majiffy's amusement...

VOTE: Majiffy

[Majiffy]

@Almosts 801

[Majiffy]

Majiff said he went post by post and I didn't respond... Right. Plenty of lies from someone that people think are town. He must just be bad at reading.

Ever looked around and noticed no one is agreeing with you?

[Majiffy]

And mate that's not post by post.

I want you to literally go into my ISO, quote every post, and follow your narrative

[Majiffy]

Isn't that exactly what you were doing with your vote on me here?

P-edit: Oh, really! OK, here's for Vifam's, Alisae's & Majiffy's amusement...

VOTE: Majiffy

No. I wasn't joking with my vote.

I'm aware.

I'm saying you were sliding on the wagon ala the narrative you're placing on Maria.

[Majiffy]

VOTE: Almost

Someone cop Tywin so we can lynch him tomorrow tia

[Majiffy]

I don't really care what either of you think tbqh

[Majiffy]

Excellent guess I look forward to seeing more guesses from you in the future

[Majiffy]

Already explained. Start here

[Majiffy]

ty Majiffy :3

What do you mean, ty majiffy? He linked you to a post that contained nothing more than a vote. No explanation. Did you even read his link?

The words in the link say "Start Here". As in, read from this point forward and you'll have your answer soon enough.

[Majiffy]

ty Majiffy :3

What do you mean, ty majiffy? He linked you to a post that contained nothing more than a vote. No explanation. Did you even read his link?

He elaborates in his ensuing conversation with Desperado along that page. That's what he meant by "start here".

I certainly hope his read has developed in some way since then, since that was awhile ago.

There's also this

It's always safer to get on board early and let the Town complete the job, and it's a D1 lynch so nobody ever looks back at it.

Isn't that exactly what you were doing with your vote on me here?

P-edit: Oh, really! OK, here's for Vifam's, Alisae's & Majiffy's amusement...

VOTE: Majiffy

[Majiffy]

Majiffy, have you given an opinion on Maria?

Nope.

[Majiffy]

ty Majiffy :3

What do you mean, ty majiffy? He linked you to a post that contained nothing more than a vote. No explanation. Did you even read his link?

The words in the link say "Start Here". As in, read from this point forward and you'll have your answer soon enough.

I wasn't talking to you, so I don't need you to chime in. From my line of questioning, we determined that she thanked you before she opened the link, and then scrambled when I called her out on it. The defense you used could be valid, if it came from her. We don't need any white knights here Majiffy. We need more votes on Clumsy.

Wait so she's scum for not reading the link but thanking me for providing her one but we need more votes on Clumsy?

And I'll respond about my own damn post if your post seems to misrepresent what I was offering, which it did.

[Majiffy]

If someone needs me to sell this read instead of just rambling about it, just let me know.

Yeah I'm still unconvinced and I think you went into the ISO looking to prove your read to yourself.

[Majiffy]

Also when are you gonna ISO me lets have fun Nacho

[Majiffy]

VOTE: Maria

Imperium hasn't seemed to do much, this day, sidelining pretty hard. If we -assume- Imperium is scum, it would make sense for them to be sidelining so much if the two main wagons, this hydra and Maria are town. Although I haven't played with them before, so I don't know if this is normal.
-Clumsy

I disagree. They're taking a different approach than I'm used to but their ISO dives seem legitimately driven by determining alignment.

[Majiffy]

Yeah no I think Vegeta wrecked him as soon as he got on Namek

[Majiffy]

D

[Majiffy]

I don't agree with the Clumsy lynch. I've said from the start that it seemed like low-hanging fruit, and Tywin made a great point about the lack of formation of a counter-wagon. I don't think the Maria wagon qualifies because of the nature of its formation. A few people independently making points about self-meta, scum-meta, and her generally bad posting from this game. It wasn't a fast pile-up. Also, of the "side-liners" consisting of {Me, Desperado, and Vifam} none of us came in and jumped onto any wagon. If anything, I think that that says that between Maria/Clumsy, Maria is more likely to be scum.

Literally the opposite of Tywin's claim

Also you're now voting with your biggest scumread against the counterwagon the person you're "agreeing with" is voting.

[Majiffy]

Agreeing with Tywin in his argument with you has NOTHING to do with Maria.

That's not what I'm saying here.

I'm saying you say you agree with Tywin and yet your positions on both Clumsy AND Maria are opposite of what Tywin has been saying.

You are conflating the two issues to try and make it seem like I should be aligned with Tywin on every issue. I'm not.

...Nope? I'm just refuting the statements

you've

made. Tywin himself has agreed with me on this.

Also, you aren't my biggest scumread. You also conveniently missed the part of my post where I explained how ABR and Almost talked about your play style and analysis of the 1v1 so I reconsidered.

The only one who knows my playstyle here is Imperium (Nacho)

You're just empirically wrong on everything you say and I don't know if it's because you're not reading, can't read, won't read, or simply lying.

[Majiffy]

Ok??? What is your point? Do I have to agree with one of my TRs on

every

issue?

No but you should probably agree with the things you're explicitly saying you're agreeing with instead of saying

literally the opposite.

Like holy shit how are you even having this argument right now.

EVEN TYWIN AGREED WITH MY POINT. CONSIDER THAT.

[Majiffy]

You know what there's just so much stupid in this game fuck it

I'm gonna lurk it off and just sheep wagons for a while I can't take this

You can't all be scum but you're all so fucking dumb

[Majiffy]

Correct.

[Majiffy]

Are you really defending yourself based on Zef's ability to comprehend what he's reading? We already know he clearly can't.

[Majiffy]

one of freeze's men

[Majiffy]

Imperium answer my question.

You re-asked him after he clearly stated he was leaving to go to work.

He works night shift. Presumably sleeps after. He'll be back eventually.

[Majiffy]

But Socrates is town though and your vote on him sucks

[Majiffy]

Super cool story bro

[Majiffy]

Majiffy why are you voting Maria

But Socrates is town though and your vote on him sucks

Just scroll up bruh

[Majiffy]

UNVOTE:

Unless you prefer a Clumsy lynch you should probably put that vote back on.

A-are you high? This post is literally nonsensical.

Literally *ALL OF HIS POSTS*

It's fucking insane

I say something Socrates doesn't like, so he pretends he can't read or decipher sentences and that I must be high. Majiff did the same after I destroyed him earlier in the thread.

Or, alternatively, you're not making any sense

Weird,

I know

[Majiffy]

Everyone seems to ignore the facts and go for mockery/trolling instead

[Majiffy]

I didn't self vote sue me x)

We got a scummer here wants to die for her bad play

[Majiffy]

Majiffy is scum reading Tywin for play style/personality tells that aren't necessarily alignment indicative. Some people are wordy. Hi! How ya doin? I get this complaint against me from people who don't know me (and some who do) because I work out my thought process when I write. It comes out wordy and it looks like I'm saying a lot to say nothing unless you actually read and process what I'm writing. Others also tend to have some fluffiness to them, it comes with being active and getting all thoughts out there.

The wordiness isn't

the

problem although it is

a

problem.

The problem is inconsistency between words and actions. The narratives don't fit.

Which

can

be playstyle but that's why I'm scumreading him. And on top of that, lying blatantly about numerous events after the fact.

My concern here is that Majiffy usually just goes lurkercho is scum cho, even though that's not the case.

That's functionally a joke at this point.

It used to be the case. Then Mollie started catching him out on it and he stopped.

Nacho has mentioned his hours here and elsewhere. I'm aware of his demanding schedule.

proven false over and over and you fail to see it

#EveryoneThisGame

This game is too easy for people to be this blind. Majiff is scum. Socrates is scum. Both are connected to the hip and lynching either one gives WAY more info post flip than either Clumsy or Maria combined.

Go on

Break it down, all 4 ways.

Hello yes Maj and Soc are both scum I have called this shit now vote them tyvm

This. Maria is engaging everyone and answering their concerns. Majiff did not when three people voted him, and me being the wordy player, I was 'beaten up' for it, with the help of Socrates. All my posts are said to be gibberish nonsense made from someone addicted to crack apparently. That's what Majiff and Socrates say rather than addressing me in a respectful/inquisitive manner. They get away with it since nobody else calls them out. Zefiend was ignored when he agreed with me, and some just SR him entirely for it. NC didn't push Majiff they were ignored too. This stuff could write itself as the Scum 101 playbook.

Did I address you or did I not?

How do I beat you up without addressing you?

And didn't you say the same thing about Alisae re: Socrates at the time?

Zefiend basically sheeped shit reasoning that I had already addressed.
And you admit yourself that NC didn't push me, so how do I ignore a non-existent push?

You're back to spewing gibberish and hoping it sticks.

Piss off

By the way, unless there is some kind of meta-history of Nacho mis-reading Majif, Scum!Majif would only want to directly play chicken with him if they were scumbuddies.

If I'm ballsy enough to say that to Nacho, then Majiffy sure as shit is. He once killed off all the people town reading him, and left me and another player alive who had been town reading each other all game long stunning the dead thread and his partners because I was super obviously town, and tried to make a case on me for bussing Nacho because he just thought he could get me lynched. I can't imagine him quaking with fear over anyone.

Did I win that? I hope I won that, because that sounds like PeakMajiffy

2- Majiffy didn't do any of the above in this game. No pushing cases and no strong reads thus far

???

If you're illiterate, maybe, okay.

I've given strong reads on roughly half the playerlist at this point. Strong reads.

[Majiffy]

Tammy you said you'd talk about me when you caught up. Are you caught up?

[Majiffy]

Nope you lost it Majiffy. I was convinced your case was going to work though. In the end, his town read on me won out.

I'm sorry to hear that. It would have made for a better story if I won.

People really need to think of these narratives before they go hammering in LYLO. It's what separates a good game from a legendary game.

Also, this might be a little silly, but as desperado and I were arguing a bit, we both mentioned that we thought each other's actions looked partnerish to Maria. I expected an admonishment from maria about how we were both stupid because she was flipping town. She didn't say anything though.

I think I missed that. I kinda skimmed past your conversation with Desperado.

I'm almost caught up! On page 47, and now I'm actually getting ready to head out. Thought I was before but ended up getting delayed because some people are slow. So I will finish catching up later, and talking about everyone. It wasn't just a I'll talk about Majiffy thing.

Between you and Nacho I need someone to hold my hands, look me in the eyes, and tell me they love me

Get on it

[Majiffy]

All I'm asking here is for people to look at all angles and all slots before we tunnel into one player

[Majiffy]

Holy shit Tywin said they're wrong about something


Someone mark this down this is a real historic event

[Majiffy]

In my view, they're blatant lies, but when I mention them, you've mocked me instead.

Probably because your "mentions" are more lies.

You haven't quoted a single thing and pointed to it and said "this is a lie".

I have quoted your posts in support of my arguments against you. You have not done the same. This is the distinction between you and I.

I can point out where you did lie and then doubled down after I addressed it. Can you do the same for me? If so, do so.

Do it then. I've asked you to several times, and you haven't.

I've already done the same for you. A while ago. And you patently ignored it.

You not addressing issues: you addressed my posts here, yes. Previously, you just mocked or ignored me entirely

After you showed you were going to continue misrepping and lying? Yeah, absolutely. Why should I bother working any harder at that point?

you've just stated that I'm high on drugs and don't make sense. Socrates also has said this.

Alisae too. And hell, I think Desperado got in on that action at some point, too.

Do you disagree that a common scum tactic is to mock, discredit, and ignore accusations?

No. That's why I'm scumreading you. It's all you've been doing.

Everyone lies: okay? Then your SR on me is based on something everyone does.

Town shouldn't lie. And when town is proven to have been lying, town should admit it and move on. You have not.

Others seem to have understood my posts, so why couldn't you?

Your biggest ally thus far, Almost50, didn't even understand what you were talking about RE: Clumsy v Maria wagons. So I think you're hard-pressed to say others have understood you in such a generalized way.

I'm saying gibberish and hope it sticks: I remember saying this exact thing about you, except that I addressed your points time and again, while previous to this post, you just mocked, insulted, and ignored.

Quoooooote yourself quoting my case.

I'd love to see it.

Notice how Maria talks to her accusers. Clumsy did too. What have you done?

I talk to my townreads. Why would I try to convince my scumreads that they're scum? That makes no sense.

It's a team game.

[Majiffy]

Majiff's naked vote on Maria was scummy. When questioned, he said Maria voted Socrates. So that's a SR?

What was scummy about it? Why? Go on.

Asserting a conclusion is not an argument.

Buddying with Socrates: they both say the same general things, hang back while others discuss, and discredit with sayings like 'are you high? That makes no sense. It's just gibberish.' I read it as: ' We can't comprehend anything being said since we don't want to address it'

So you

choose

to misinterpret our play because it's convenient for you. Got it.

General lack of SRs: Majiff SRs me.

And Almost. And Maria. I think that's been pretty clear.

All your scumreads have circulated around "These people are Majiffy's buddy" - First Alisae, now Socrates.

Who's the one with a general lack of SRs here?

Interesting to note, he only did after I first called him out.

That's a lie. That's already been directly demonstrated to you by players that aren't me to be a lie.

Beside that point, I've asked multiple times what his reads are. He has never given them.

Baffling because everyone else seems to understand what my reads are. Why can't you? Oh shit hey look it's your awful argument coming around to bite you in the ass.

Repeating accusations back: word for word, everything Majiffy has accused me off has been a straight repeat of what I've said before him.

Yeah and then I backed it up with quotes that prove it. Ever heard of projection?

The problem is, there's no evidence to back it up

Except for, you know, all the evidence.

and the general thread as a whole should shoe a contrast between play styles here.

I shoe hope so.

Mostly ignored slot: this is NAI per say, but it's true. We've all tunneled on Clumsy/Maria and ignored this slot in general. Why?

Are you saying people are ignoring my slot?

That's just... literally false. Half the game has been discussing both of us.

Plenty of pushback: again, NAI, but even if others don't agree, Maria had too many eager to vote her whole Majiff... Not so much. The same could be said about my slot too though, so it is what it is.

Did you just talk yourself in a circle?

Overall, I don't have an amazingly solid case.

No shit

And that's your big scumread.

What I do have is the Maria naked vote, the slot the vote came under, and lack of reads coming from Majiffy.

So what you have is a vote that I showed my reasons for, your scumread on my slot, and a literal falsehood

Congratulations, your argument amounts to "I scumread Majiffy because I can't read and also did I mention I scumread Majiffy?"

Even his push on me feels defensive over offensive, and IMO that means he doesn't truly believe in it.

Of course that's your fucking opinion it necessarily has to be.

How is that even an argument?

It's harder to fake than SR genuinely, and he's dropped my case like a rock when I dropped his.

I dropped your case when people dropped off the wagon. I don't chase dragons I can't catch.

He faded to the background and didn't comment UNTIL I again brought him up.

Also false and you even admitted it yourself. I can go fetch the quote if you'd like.

All of a sudden, he's super active! So he reads the thread, but doesn't comment unless he's SR. He's letting town hang themselves IMO.

Go look at my timestamps in my ISO. The times I'm available are pretty clear. Now you're reaching for anything you think might save you.

VOTE: Tywin

One of us gets lynched today.

[Majiffy]

Guyz I'm super happy with my life.

This is a lie, life sucks.

I just lied.
BOOM!
BAM!
POW!

Wanna go blow for blow?

I've got about 2 grand in medical debt, just got hit with another 2 grand in medical bills, plus I've lost my car insurance from an accident a year ago and also I'm being sued by the guy I was in an accident with and guess what I have no money in the bank

[Majiffy]

Hey Majiff, now that you're voting me, did I piss you off enough for you to forget you were supposedly SRing Maria, or what's the deal? I thought you were down to lynch her, because she voted your boy Socrates once. What happened? I thought she was a strong SR? Did you change your mind?

This just in: A player can only have one scumread at a time

Also Majiffy is scum for only having one scumread

Even though he has three

Stay tuned as this story develops

[Majiffy]

Tywin is this the first game of mafia you've ever played? Real question

Follow up question: Are you reading any of my posts or just like one or two words and then extrapolating what you THINK those posts said?

[Majiffy]

Have you read the fucking questions he's asking?

I've literally answered most of them several times

Other ones are just straight up obnoxious like "why do other players ask questions while you don't"

Seriously fuck you NC if you're going to get on me and turn a blind eye to his bullshit

[Majiffy]

Tywin is this the first game of mafia you've ever played? Real question

Follow up question: Are you reading any of my posts or just like one or two words and then extrapolating what you THINK those posts said?

Really? I was asked this by imperium and mentioned a few times that this name is new only because I forgot my old one, which was made over a decade ago on MS. Is this your first game? Why ask that? It's pretty clear I'm not new, and multiple past games were brought up to discuss my meta as well. Did you just never read that? Do you read the thread at all?

Fwoosh

[Majiffy]

Majiffy: if you've answered these questions multiple times, then WHY is it so hard for you to answer once more in a single, coherent thread? You bitch about basic things constantly. You keep saying you answered things that either I missed or you didn't answer well, so doing it in a single post isn't this difficult. You're purposely trying to wiggle out of answering. Stop. It takes 2 minutes to type responses that don't involve insults or whining.

No I'm just getting tired of you moving the goalposts.

And frankly it's not worth my time. You're not going to self-vote. If someone else wants me to answer a question they can ask. Many have. And I have answered.

Not that you'd know; it seems you only read one or two words in each of my posts and then ignore everything else to keep up your narrative.

[Majiffy]

you asking him if it's his first game shows you're not reading ANYONE's posts.

Is this really the sticking point you two are going with?

What the fuck happened to the players on this site

[Majiffy]

Still town read Tywin

Howwww

[Majiffy]

there's really no reason to replace out socrates

Tywin spent a page plus openly berating me and i suspect it will only get worse as the game goes on.

Why should I subject myself to this?

You could always vote Tywin.

[Majiffy]

Tywin is obviously town.

[Majiffy]

We still have over 36 hours.

We should lynch Tywin.

[Majiffy]

Actually we've got the votes for Maria

VOTE: Maria
Soc switch your vote over

[Majiffy]

Well if you want to paint a target on your back for the NK go ahead I guess m8

[Majiffy]

Maria's @L-2

This was the same count that I had it at so I think the mod's last VC is incorrect and Maria is still at L-1