Because he's not Varlater.
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OKay at first I was like, this sounds crazy with the paint stuff and I have no idea if I'm gonna be able to navigate this, I sure hope someone explains the game mechanics without me having to look pretty damn stupid and begging for help.
Then 6 pages later I feel like, OMG just stop with the game mechanics already. Damn.-
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If this sounds like what someone else has or hasn't already said, I don't care tbh.
Day 1 is obviously the only reliable color flip.
Flipping blue and Town confirming someone only sets them up for a N1 kill. So I don't think it's a great idea to flip someone who we think will be really helpful for town. i.e., a decent town read.
I think it definitely behooves us to flip someone we think could be scum or at the least not very helpful.
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Oh yeah, peeps, my super power is the ability to vote someone, and make them magically appear.In post 166, Bomberman wrote:I wanna be clear more votes plz-
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Care to elaborate on this?In post 166, Bomberman wrote:I wanna be clear more votes plz-
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As glorious as this sounds, and it does sound glorious btw.In post 171, Bomberman wrote:I have an undesirable need to be relevant at every facet of the game therefore I make boisterous statements that get me noticed
I find this somewhat not so believable when coupled with a post count of 12.-
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But since you have 13 Posts, well now............In post 172, Havo wrote:
As glorious as this sounds, and it does sound glorious btw.In post 171, Bomberman wrote:I have an undesirable need to be relevant at every facet of the game therefore I make boisterous statements that get me noticed
I find this somewhat not so believable when coupled with a post count of 12.
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I almost played this card. lol.In post 178, Aristophanes wrote:Bomberman wtf! Why are you not voting yourself!?-
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This.In post 396, Apricity wrote:So at this point we're waiting for Twoface to show up right?
Also I need to read that again. Lots to digest.
My first skim thru made my head hurt a bit and I got mostly TvT out of it.
But my skim skills aren't the best. So I probably need to read it thru slowly twice.-
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Hmm....In post 405, Infinity 324 wrote:
Maybe it's really bomberman and jjhIn post 263, jjh927 wrote:Phew.
VOTE: Twoface
There were a few minutes there where I thought I might want to vote you, Frog.
This looks like too easy of a switch
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Thanks for the answer green guy but I was focusing on a different angle than the obvious one.In post 411, Fro99er wrote:Exactly what he meant. He thought both could be scum.
Read on. He changes his mind after that.
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In post 437, Cheetory6 wrote:TwoFace is currently coloured..Spoiler:
Day one resumes! With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch. You have (expired on 2017-06-17 09:00:00) to do so.vote : twoface-
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Hope all goes well dude.In post 432, TwoFace wrote:So how does this work exactly? Is there down time after a color flip or does it just keep going. I've got no issues hammering myself but if the thread is going to be locked I'd rather wait and see what others have to say.
I am having surgery tomorrow so I'll be inactive for a day or so. I will be on in the morning and for the next hour or two.-
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I will have to go back and read when I get off work.In post 499, Fro99er wrote:Either Max or Raya is scum based off TwoFace's flip
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WHO, is this?In post 496, Siblings Pet Doggo wrote:No we're not-
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My current town leans are:In post 625, Havo wrote:I think Gamma is the best to color flip at this point, based mainly off a process of elimination. And a couple of his posts I didn't feel good about.
Bomberman
Varsoon
Frogger
JJ
Aristo
Apricity
That leaves :
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Max
Raya
Aptil
Raya and Max are not very active, that doesn't give them a pass of course but it does give them an excuse IMO more so than Gamma or Aptil. Looking at the color flip vote, Gamma and Aptil both were not own it.
Looking at the lynch vote, again, neither were on it. And both are active enough to be IMO.
NOw I know several have said they believe scum would have been on the vote and I don't deny it's a realistic probability, but given a few of Gamma's posts, which I'll quote here in a minute, I just feel like flipping Gamma would be the best choice right now.-
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In post 556, Gamma Emerald wrote:lol k
I mean I'll just be conftown if you colorflip me so go ahead and make me impossible to pushIn post 618, Gamma Emerald wrote:Fro99er, can I request a soft restart on your thoughts on me? Just back to the beginning of d2. I got confused about which wagon was posted.
None of these set well with me.In post 588, Gamma Emerald wrote:I think mafia would hop on late when it was a lost cause
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I have him as a slight town lean, but it's mainly for his early tone in the game. He has a very non-combative, passive posting style and comes across as maybe the nicest guy I ever played mafia with, but I haven't seen much game solving from him. A lot of going with the flow so to speak. He was not on the Color flip vote, but was quickly on the lynch vote.In post 629, Fro99er wrote:Havo talk to me about apricity
I would put him at the bottom of that list of my town leans as of right now, but he hasn't posted anything that's pinged my scumdar as of yet. So.........-
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Talk to me about AptilIn post 629, Fro99er wrote:Havo talk to me about apricity-
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So a color flip on either would make you feel good about the other?In post 632, Fro99er wrote:I go back and forth on Aptil, but if gamma is scum aptil is town
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Ari was 5th on the Color flip vote of TwoFace, I don't see scum doing that. Plus he hasn't pinged me.In post 642, MaxwellPuckett wrote:Havo why is Ari town?
Also why exactly are you townleaning Apricity there, I see no reason for it w what youve said. If its the lack of scumminess, that should be null.
Raya and i are in your scumlist but do you have anything on either of us? Sounds like we're also null
the Townlean to Apricity is mainly for his early tone. And again, he hasn't pinged me.
The bottome wasn't a scum list per say, it was a left over list. You and Raya haven't been active enought for me to get a read at this point.-
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Because it was 7 to flip, he was 5th, so there's 4 votes on twoface and still time to turn the wagon, but piling on at 5th pretty much seals it IMO. If he was the 7th or even 6th I would give it less cred.In post 646, MaxwellPuckett wrote:5 is the tail end of the wagon, why wouldnt scum do that?
Pedit ok frogger but ill still be digging there
Im not reading in terms of teams yet, but im looking at Gamma, Raya, and Havo rn. jjh and Ari idk about but im just not confident they're town. Ari is kinda odd in general tho so Im less sure.
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My apologies.In post 649, Apricity wrote:Also PSA, I'm a girl.-
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Because it's a "Tipping" point issue. Think about it, if you were scum would you put the 5th vote on your scum partner when 7 is needed?In post 658, MaxwellPuckett wrote:Oh, gotcha.
That'd be Gamma with Havo as a close second. They might swap places Im not sure. What I don't like with havo is the way his reads are forming, it doesnt feel right to me. The reasoning (and explanation) with the Ari feels so specific. Why is 5 a towny place but 6 isn't? I'd even be doubting at 4. Also the discussion about the "win-win" with aptil and Gamma feels false.
Re: Gamma I think apricity is right about him not doing a lot, which I dont usually associate with Gamma.
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Peanut Butter preferably.In post 663, Fro99er wrote:
do you want a fucking cookie or something?In post 662, Havo wrote:And if you think Apricity is right about Gamma, then you think I'm right as well as I pointed it out already.-
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In post 80, Fro99er wrote:I'm also not going to vote JJ until I get a read on him. That's going to be an evolving read for a bit. He would know why.
pedit: hiHave you played with JJ before?
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If they can't paint Blue, then there would be no way to make Purple, unless he started out as Blue.In post 828, Havo wrote:If like in game 2, scum can paint Red but not blue, then that would mean JJ was Blue and was painted Red by scum, thus making him purple. No?-
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This makes so much sense it worries me how you came up with it tbh.In post 842, aptil wrote:The colour of the flip is not that trustworthy as the colour was definitely changed here because scum is red and town is blue (anything other than that should be a mechanism of colour change).
So we have two things here to analyse:
1) If you believe jj was town (blue) colour changed to purple by scum last night they would need to push for his reveal . So we look for who pushed where and how .Also another possibility of town changing the colour not so sure about that role but that would be weird.
2)If you believe jj was scum(red) ) colour changed to purple by himself , he would have to somehow be eager to reveal himself and clear him by that standard . In this case he would have to act pretty damn scummy to get that flip .-
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2 would be a hell of a gambit, no?In post 842, aptil wrote:The colour of the flip is not that trustworthy as the colour was definitely changed here because scum is red and town is blue (anything other than that should be a mechanism of colour change).
So we have two things here to analyse:
1) If you believe jj was town (blue) colour changed to purple by scum last night they would need to push for his reveal . So we look for who pushed where and how .Also another possibility of town changing the colour not so sure about that role but that would be weird.
2)If you believe jj was scum(red) ) colour changed to purple by himself , he would have to somehow be eager to reveal himself and clear him by that standard . In this case he would have to act pretty damn scummy to get that flip .-
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JJ comes across as very flighty to me, but he hasn't pinged me any. He's kind of all over the place.In post 859, MaxwellPuckett wrote:Havo whats your read on Jjh and what do you think happened here
I don't know what happened here, but Aptil's explanation sounds legit to me and Especialy option 1.
But I probably need to let it sink in more but those are my kneejerk reactions and they're usually good for me.-
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OK, thank you sir.In post 866, MaxwellPuckett wrote:Oh damn I entirely missed Havo's joindate, time to reread the slot oops
Pedit is preview-edit its what u type when someone posted something while you were writing your post
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So if scum gets to paint 1 person at night and only 1, then it just happens that JJ was the one they painted and he was the one we flipped.
So if we had flipped anyone else, they would be their original color? And we wouldn't be debating what the hell purple means.
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Yeah, me too, I'll be back on in about 10 hours or so, I'm sleeping in tomorrow damn it.
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It's because Red and Blue would make Purple. If he had flipped just about any other color I wouldn't have thought that. LIke white or black. Just made sense to me that if he HAD been blue, that being painted with red would have made him Purple. Someone said scum couldn't paint Blue in the last game.In post 908, Varsoon wrote:
@Havo: Why are you assuming that colors 'mix' like that? I don't think colors 'mixed' like that in ANY of the previous games, iirc.-
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smh. Why would you even post this?In post 901, jjh927 wrote:I didn't post for ages just so you could have that pagetop and also because me saying anything else would serve no purpose.-
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I think this is a classic test balloon. The little smiley face on the end says, "I was joking" when actually he wasn't. Just seeing if anyone will go along with it.In post 906, Apricity wrote:Okay. First,
This post here bothers me to no end and feels like he's trying to rush the game before we talk things outIn post 864, Aristophanes wrote:He was painted and ipped. I say we lynch him and assume the paint ability is one shot per night. This means thay we can truse the results more as we go and dont have to worry about the wine of his flip later.
It's sound theory
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I think it's plausible, but that means it takes 2 nights to paint someone and that seems a little too weak of a mafia ability to me. Unless they could paint multiple targets at night, then I think it would be much more realistic.In post 903, Raya36 wrote:What if mafia had to paint someone twice to turn them red? The first attempt with the red paint would paint them purple since that's a mix of the two colours and the second time would paint them completely red?-
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Yes, but I'm just throwing it out as a possibility for discussion. I'm not saying that's the way it is.In post 912, Varsoon wrote:So you're just assuming that the mechanic works that way despite having no evidence besides basing your expectation off of real life colors?
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I agree, we don't need to get lost in game theory and mechanics. Purple is just a distraction at this point.In post 914, Varsoon wrote:This is precisely why I think discussing mechanics that we don't fully understand is a distraction.
We need to focus in on scumhunting and working towards a lynch.
I'm glad that you're posting more than just answering about color, Havo.
So sticking to scum hunting and calling out scummy posts is the way to go IMO at this point.-
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In post 475, Aristophanes wrote:
Aww poor TwoFace!In post 442, TwoFace wrote:
Thanks. One of these days we can actually play a game of normal mafia. I really need to read these setups before I join.In post 441, Havo wrote:Hope all goes well dude.
Goodnight
Well play again some time! Sorry you got the shit end of this stick <3
VOTE: TwoFaceIn post 820, Aristophanes wrote:I'm so far behind. Did we flip anyone yet?In post 825, Aristophanes wrote:
Awesome!In post 824, jjh927 wrote:We flipped me and I'm purple, Ari.
Why would scum paint you first?
I'm just gonna put this here for now, so I can refer to it later if I need too.In post 864, Aristophanes wrote:He was painted and ipped. I say we lynch him and assume the paint ability is one shot per night. This means thay we can truse the results more as we go and dont have to worry about the wine of his flip later.
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I don't know what to make of the color flip to Purple. I see it as a distraction tbh. It doesn't tell us anything at this point.In post 922, Varsoon wrote:
Havo, what do you think of the JJH color flip?
Specifically, what do you think of the color wagon on JJH and player's positioning after that?
If not JJH, then who do you believe is scum and what are you doing to push there?
P-EDIT: Glad we can be on the same page, Havo. Hope that these questions get us there moreso.
I think the first vote should be looked at by Aristo, and I posted that quote with a few other things Aristo said that stands out to me.
I think your vote was legit and you gave a good reason. I think Frogger's vote and Max's vote need to be looked at. Frogger didn't give a reason for voting JJ that was credible to me, he didn't give one at all. Max sheeped him basically and has been since Day 2 started. I'm a bit suspicious of there buddying. Plus at the time Frogger voted, Gamma was in the vote lead and there was momentum on his wagon, Frogger and Max effectively killed that momentum.
Then bomberman jumps on stating it's an opurtunistic flip and JJ then self hammers.
My top scum read has been Gamma and I pushed for his color flip, got it to 4 before it was derailed. Since then Gamma has hardly posted and now states he only gets 3 hours per day to post.-
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I'm spitting facts and truths. It's all there, just read it.In post 935, Gamma Emerald wrote:zzz
Havo you read really fucking opportunistiic rn
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My number 1 scum read reading me as scummy, no surprise there.In post 939, Gamma Emerald wrote:i) Gamma Emerald - town b*tches
ii) Aristophanes - likely town
iii) Fro99er - likely town
iv) Raya36 - iirc TwoFace was shady with this guy
v) TwoFace - dead mafia
vi) Varsoon - likely town
vii) Apricity - ?
viii) Havo - opportinistic, p scummy
ix) Bomberman - ?
x) Infinity 324 - dead town
xi) aptil - scummy
xii) jjh927 - probtown
xiii) MaxwellPuckett - iirc TwoFace was weird with this guy
My thoughts rn
And you still have yet to do ANY game solving.
Why do you thing Aristo is likely town?
What do you make of Max and Raya's interactions with Twoface?
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Not much of anything. I think the weekend has taken its toll on this game. Lol.In post 949, MaxwellPuckett wrote:Hey im prodded, also forgot to mention i wouldnt be available saturday whoops.
Hey tho whats happening
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Voting my top scum read.-
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