Mini 1927: Breaking Bad Mafia - Game Over

[Almost50]

Hello, boys and girls. I'm here, so no fear. As always, I'm very much sheepable (no, I didn't mean sheepish. I meant SHEEP-ABLE), and I have the insight (and foresight) that is unmatched by any other in this galaxy.

Now some of you know me well (hello, Wisdom, Chicka, Uzi, gerry & Desp), some not that well (what's up, Vecna, Edo & Vax), and some not at all (unless one or more of Rob/Danny/moza/Bakhand is an alt, in which case hello whoever you are. Oh, even if you're not an alt, greetings all the same. Nice meeting you. Now SHEEP ME)

As you may have all noticed; I'm EXTREMELY ODD (and I feel like demonstrating it right now). My playstyle would probably come across as scummy (especially to those who never played with me before), a bit weird (to those who have some limited experience with me still), but those who know me well either love me all the way or hate me all the way. No compromises here.

Come on, People. Why are we taking this long to get a lynch and a flip.

(Err.. flop? FLIP! Whatever! Am I acting odd enough yet?)

Now, who am I supposed to

hard defend

*, Wisdom??

P.S. I only got the role, not the whole PM. In other words I don't know my flavour yet, but hell.. I almost never recognize the flavour in the games I join anyway, and besides.. what's in a name?)

*For those who don't get the inside joke, I usually hard defend SCUM when I'm Town. It's a NATURAL GIFT!

[Almost50]

A50!

Welcome! Let's work together!

OMG! I can't even.. OMG! She LOVES ME. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH

Like, of course we can work together, just as soon as I get myself acquainted with some folks here.

I see you have a little something going on with Mozamis. I can see where you're coming from but I'm not sure it warrants a vote at this time, Do you?

[Almost50]

I can see where you're coming from but I'm not sure it warrants a vote at this time

on the fence.
pos scum.

On the fence?? I'm saying Chicka's approach is NOT a bad sign of her, yet it's faulty because I don't think yours is a scum sign. In other words, I'm calling you both TOWN LEANS. Now what is so fence sitty about that?

In fact, this is a case of the kettle calling the pot black. You are complaining Chicka is making something out of nothing, but then you impersonate the dog with a bone yourself with that "fence sitting" accusation to me.

So, get your mind out of the gutter and let's scum hunt. All 3 of us.

[Almost50]

@Vecna: Obviously nobody like your reads )that includes me), so please at least give some proper reasoning.

[Almost50]

@Vecna: Come on, man. Don't be like that. Like, I asked in the nicest way possible. I implicitly acknowledged your right to have different views and I explicitly asked for proper reasoning to help me see you PoV. Is that too much to ask nowadays?

[Almost50]

VOTE: Wisdom

[Almost50]

VOTE: Wisdom

sup?
newbies are allowed to scumread me, youre not

You're being VAGUE. Not "manipulative" I'd give you that, but I can't get a hint of what you're up to.

THIS RESPONSE though gives me pause. You would've probably attacked me full force if you were scum. Hmmmm.

UNVOTE:

I'm nor sure I know where to vote here. Uzi, maybe?

VOTE: LUV

[Almost50]

no i really dont

Actually, you do. It helps clear the air and let's everyone concentrate on the SCUM if you're Town. Chicka is TOWN to me, but I won't be pressing you for an answer. Someone else though might and they have every right to understand where you're coming from.

Please try to see things from "the other one's" perspective.

[Almost50]

LUV Town Lean

I don't get this one. Would you be kind enough to elaborate a little?

[Almost50]

Is that a pressure vote? Because LUV is V/LA until Friday at least.

Is he? GDI, how many on V/LA? How about Edosurist? Is he V/LA too? What about Danny??

Like, I can't get an initial read on half the players. *sigh*

UNVOTE:

I need to reread stuff.

[Almost50]

I should be able to read tomorrow night.

Did you read the rules yet??

[Almost50]

Intent to vote Vecna (Yes, I know he's @L-2). You forced a claim out of a player who was more or less TR'd by a majority. You're playing your own game and refuse to give reasoning behind your reads even when asked nicely. If we are lynching based on playing styles you should be our D1 lynch in almost every single game (unless someone like Not_Mafia is playing).

Also, you vote hopping between Chicka, Vax and Moz looks like you're looking for something to stick. Overall I'm not comfortable having you around anymore.

[Almost50]

I don't see why town Vecna would do that. I'll be putting my vote back on.
VOTE: Vecna

^SCUM^

Also, you vote hopping between Chicka, Vax and Moz looks like you're looking for something to stick.

in my experience scum don't play this way, what you've described is much more likely to come from town

same with the reaction test, not a scum move

VOTE: iDanyBoy

^Town^

UNVOTE:

^Town^

Desp is probably correct. Vote hopping is more likely to come from Town. It's annoying though and elite Scum (read: Radiant Cowbells) do it all the time.

Wisdom's unvote came after a suspicious revote by Danny. I sense that Wis wanted the Vecna lynch until he saw Danny sneaking back to the wagon.

Now the unvote and revote by Danny is scummy as hell. Why did you unvote in the first place? What changed your mind back?? You wanted someone else to state the obvious so you'd have no blood on your hands?? Or are you repositioning yourself on the lynch wagon?

@Vecna: I'm still pissed at your gambit. You needlessly forced a claim there. That was certainly uncalled for.

VOTE: iDanyBoy

[Almost50]

VOTE DESPERADO

That vote for Danny looked weird.

Nope. It was very much justified IMHO. Desp is Town for that post and vote alone.

[Almost50]

look at my scum pool. Danny is in there.
My question was: why did Desperado vote for Danny, and not any of the others? Not that impressed by Desp answering my question with a question.
But @ Backhand: yeah, obv. he could be bussing.

I stated intent and explained why I wanted to lynch Vecna. Danny had unvoted vecna by then, but he rejoined the wagon after I stated intent. It felt like he wanted a quick lynch maybe. It was odd that he unvoted right after that reaction test, but then when I say Vecna forced a claim WITH THAT REACTION TEST Danny suddenly reignites his interest in that lynch. I mean, any one who didn't want to lynch Vecna at that precise moment cannot go back and vote him after the fact. It's so unnatural.

[Almost50]

scum team Des, Danny and Backhand?

Fine. Let's lynch Danny then.

[Almost50]

I'm pretty sure if I tried I could find scum faking a day kill

Nero Cain does it all the time as either alignment. Narna did it to me in a recent game (a crazy one modded by Kuroi). It does happen, yes. In that same game, RC even used his REAL 1-shot Dayvig on D1 on scum from another team and I TR his slot for 9 game days because of that gambit.

[Almost50]

you think backwards
Desp saw the mislynch coming and wk'd

Desp doesn't operate that way. I've played with him before (recently, and more than once).

[Almost50]

Can we all just calm down and try to figure things out?

Like, we already lost a Doctor and a JOAT. What does that tell you about the SCUM powers?

Then we have a claim of a Poison Doctor and a supporting claim of someone who got poisoned. I have yet to read pages 16 & 17, but I wanted to point out scum possibly have enough power to counter that, plus the poisoner could very well be an independent 3P

[Almost50]

Should I heal gerryoat? (@wisdom)

You definitely should if only to prove your role

[Almost50]

no, you asked us to explain our votes

Not really. I'm afraid Desp was very specific in asking "why are you

still

voting there?" after he started with "

now that he's claimed poison doc

and marie's flip specifically says she only protects against gunshots" (btw, who is marie? I thought it was vecna we lynched!)

@Wisdom: Sometimes you do confuse me. You said to trust you (I'm paraphrasing) and I do, but some of your pushes and responses don't even make sense. The man clearly asked why you were STILL voting Vax after he claimed Poison Doc and Vecna flipping Doc who ONLY protects from Gunshots. That's a pretty legitimate question to ask IMHO.

Currently I wouldn't even consider lynching in Wisdom, Chicka, Desperado & Vax. I'm also unlikely to vote Robb/Moza.

My preferred lynches are in gerry (getting targeted by a 3P posisoner doesn't clear him and specifically disliked his attempt to conf!Town himself precisely for that reason), or iDanny (I didn't like him yesterday, but let's see what he has to say today). Backhand and Edosurist were town leans yesterday but considering both Vecna and LUV flipped green I'd relegate them both to null but only by PoE.

[Almost50]

even if he is mafia, why not use him to heal people who get poisoned that are town for now?

I don't know you are town.

lolol


if i was mafia with vax. wouldnt i just tell him in mafia chat? or if we dont have day talk, make a code at night that if i'm poisoned i post and he can see?

Another post that I don't like. "if i was mafia with vax." doesn't bode well here. We're assuming EITHER/OR but not BOTH of you are scum, and certainly not on the same team.

[Almost50]

Desperado, your votes on Dany keep seeming odd. It was odd yesterday and it's odd today. It's kind of making me want to town read you, only because of our (admittedly limited) play history. But not quite enough.

Hey, Chicka .. let's build our own town block, shall we? First, I think we can agree to exclude our own selves from the lynch pool. Then we can remove Vax because his claim makes most sense with how the Vecna flip was worded.

Now we both TR Desp (I think that was a town lean expressed by you on him in the quote) and I'd also remove Wisdom from the lynch pool as I think this is Town!Wisdom despite his weirdness.

I'm not going to hold you to any of your previous day reads as flips must've surely affected some of them, so that leaves us with gerryoat/Robbnva/iDanyBoy/mozamis/Backhand/Edosurist for a theoretical lynch pool (4 of which were on the Vecna wagon and 2 were off it). Over to you.

[Almost50]

Also you want me to heal gerry, but hes might b scum?

I explained it was to prove your own role, but I guess we can do with an extra flip so don't heal him if you don't want to.

As for who was left I did state 2 options in Danny/gerry, so if you're not healing gerry we can lynch Danny today and get gerry's flip tomorrow anyway.

[Almost50]

No because we could have a town role poisoning people.

You mean to tell me Town has BOTH the poison AND the cure in their hands? What setup is this? I can arguably accept a Town poisoner (that would be a modified/delayed Town Vig) but that would necessitate you to be scum, don't you think? However, a poisoner is normally of anti-town alignment (more likely to be 3P) in every game that I saw one.

[Almost50]

Pretty sure there is no town poisoner.

Then you have no case against Vax.

[Almost50]

It's a lot of scum power tho, but looking at our flips so far... your likely right.

Exactly. We had a (gun) Doctor, a poison Doctor, a JOAT and -most likely- an alignment Cop (the JOAT didn't have a COP SHOT, which points to there being a Cop elsewhere in the setup). It's probably a 9-3-1 setup from where I see it.

[Almost50]

I've gone back for a quick ISO of Vecna's last posts, and while I believe he was wrong about both Vax and Wisdom I think he might have had a point in the way gerry hammered him before he claimed.

I also had Danny as my preferred lynch yesterday, so I'm voting him again today unless he genuinely manages to change my read on him, and would actually recommend gerry NOT be cured/healed.

[Almost50]

@Vax: Let's be clear. I TR you, yes. But even if I'm wrong you're going to be found out in 2 days time. The Poisoner cannot afford to have you around curing their night victims the next day, so you're getting poisoned tonight anyway. If you're not dead by the start of D4 you're eating rope unless we lynch precisely the Poisoner today.

And no. It's a THIRD PARTY POISONER who targeted gerry from the MAFIA team. It doesn't mean the poisoner is Town anymore than an SK who slays a Mafioso can be considered Town.

[Almost50]

let gerry die and lynch desp is my preferred course of actions

I don't want to lynch Desp today, but at least we agree on gerry.

[Almost50]

Because I don't think we have a 3rd party

Hold on right there! What basis do you have for not thinking we have a 3rd party? Because the way you're going about it is suddenly making me thing YOU are 3P the poisoner and your whole "I've got the flu" is a gambit to clear yourself.

So, is it in your Role PM? What is your win con? Are you -say- a Survivor?

[Almost50]

There being three factions very much fits Breaking Bad thematically.

Wait! Do you mean it could be 9-2-2?

[Almost50]

wouldn't that be a very weak 3rd party for it just to be a poisoner (especially when there is a DAY doc to save it?

No it wouldn't because as soon as Vax claimed he put a big red mark on his back to be POISONED himself.

It would've been MUCH better if we didn't force Vax to claim. It would have also been ideal for him to cure you because you would claim you got poisoned and he would cure you subtly. However, what happened is he claimed first THEN you said you got poisoned. You had wanted to lynch him still until you "read your PM", which is also strange because I believe Percy sent us a mass PM declaring the day had started with a link to the day opening post, so he must've sent you a separate PM telling you you got poisoned. Are you telling me you saw the one announcing the day had satrted and jumped right in to post here without reading the other note?

[Almost50]

I think you're thinking too much into flavor. But, I guess you bring up a decent point in that. Regardless, why did you ignore my scenario? What if vax is actually poisoner and his only way to survive was to claim poison doc.

If that was the case then there is no Posidon Doctor (which could be true) because Vecna could only protect from gunshots and there has been no CC to Vax, but that doesn't solve the problem of you being scummy as hell.

Tomorrow either Vax himself will be poisoned someone or someone else will. It will be suspicious as hell if someone else was poisoned and not Vax, but then we can test his claim by making him cure the victim. Curing you though isn't ideal because the way you're playing you'd have to go sooner than later, and we do have the chance to make that happen. Nothing personal (I think you know that) but you are much scummier here than you were both Inception and Royal Rumble (OK. We all were scums in RR so that doesn't count, but still..)

[Almost50]

Him healing me proves that he is poison doc, and even if 3rd party poisons me again in your scenario, at least he'll be confirmed town tomorrow if he doesnt die.

Fine. HE can do that to confirm himself, but then we you are put today's lynch. Would that be fine by you??

Edit: *In my previous post; I obviously meany POISON, not Posidon Doctor!

[Almost50]

@Wisdom: I'm about to hit the hay, so take your time reevaluating your reads. I want us to work together.

I think we both can agree your Town (well, you know better than I, but I do have a TR on you). Now let's see.. we agree on Vax likely Town. We agree on gerry likely Scum. We disagree on Desperado. Now what reads do you have on the other 7 slots (including mine). I noticed when Vax suggested I must be Town for "being bold" you remarked I was also bold as Scum (which is true, btw) so I'm not sure if it was just a remark or if you were expressing a scum lean or uncertainty.

[Almost50]

Pretty sure there is no town poisoner.

Then you have no case against Vax.

Why are you not considering mafia poison doc?

Town having 2 docs is less likely imo.

Town having one and mafia having one makes more sense, especially considering the "good guy" in the show poisoned a "bad guy".

Im pretty sure I explained this already.

And I'[m pretty sure your logic is faulty and here's why:

Town had a doctor who could stop the Mafia kills but could not protect against the SK/Poisoner

Now if Mafia had a Poison Doctor they would be practically immune to the Poisoner kills, so those can only hot TOWN and cannot be prevented on TOWN.

Can you see the problem(s) now?

1- Scum have 2 kills on Town and Town don't even have a Vig to counter.
2- Mafia can kill the Poisoner but not vise versa
3- As per #2 Scum are almost invincible because the Poisoner cannot hurt them AND is actually only helping them kill Town faster. In other words MAFIA becomes VERY MUCH overpowered

When you include a 3P killer it is always to balance the setup, not to help Mafia against Town. You don't give Mafia immunity against the 3P kill and leave Town exposed to it while the 3P is also exposed to the Mafia kill

Said another way: Mafia Poison Doc = Town can only be protected against half the night threats AND it's as good as random, while Mafia are protected against ALL night threats and it's 100% because the Poisoner's kill is DELAYED by default.

[Almost50]

i suppose scum poison doc is possible

No, it's not. Not in a mini.

[Almost50]

I don't think we'd have a poison doc that's mafia.

Why not? Why would town have 2 doctors and mafia probably having none with multiple killing roles ?

Read my detailed explanation above, then consider the TOWN Poison Doctor (who has a CHOICE of either curing the victim or not). The Town version becomes a weakened Town Vig. They do not pick their own targets but they decide whether the chosen target should die anyway.

This makes Mafia as vulnerable as Town to the 3P Poisoner. The Poisoner is as vulnerable as Town to Mafia kills. Town by definition are clueless anyway so they need to work everything out by working together not against each other.

[Almost50]

I don't see how a 3rd party getting a poisoner role is fair at all to them, because they could be killed by mafia or lynched by town and they only get a delayed kill. which could be stopped by a day doctor at any time

This is why mafia poison doc makes sense. Mafia poison doc could let townies poisoned die. I definitely don't
Think the poisoner is mafia cause no mafia worth anything would target you. Town poisoner or 3rd party probably would though

So, gerry argues the 3p Poisoner would be underpowered (in gerry's own view), and you respond by reasserting MAFIA must then have more power? How does a Mafia Poison Doc solve the 3P's problem here? They'd still could be lynched or NK'd and you're presuming they can't even kill their scum rivals!

[Almost50]

I have scum lean on A50

for his jump off of the Vecna wagon

.

Really! Show me where I actually

voted

Vecna and I'll quit playing Mafia altogether. I only stated intent to vote him when he was L-2, and you jumped right back to ensure it was hammer if I did.

[Almost50]

I also don't feel comfortable with a50 trying to act like he's the leader. Explanation of how desp is a town read would be helpful also.

I have to clear some things up before this day ends.

Would you rather Town fought amongst themselves while Scum did nothing but watch us lead crusades on each other?

And Desperado looks Town by play. I have experience with him and I think I learned how to read him.

Now what worries me about you is you are indirectly slinging mud on Wis and Desp and you also want Vax lynched. What are your reads on everyone else, because none of the 3 is on my own Scumdar. care to share?

[Almost50]

How dumb would it be for me as 3rd party to not lynch the poisoner doc when everyone was voting him, if i was poisoner. This is bad logic and shading, A50 is probably mafia, i dont see how town can come up with this logic. Because if i was 3rd party I would want the poisoner doc dead, and 2. i would poison someone and not just fake it, since it would be my only way of killing. anyone town would think of those scenarios

Don't try to get "too smart" with me, gerry. We both know you could not have poisoned someone and then come to claim YOU were poisoned the very next day. The target will CC and you would be caught on the spot.

What you did is hold off your shot, come to fake you got poisoned to OUT the Poison Doc (and YOU knew there was one because Vecna's flip said he only protected against gunshots).

When Vax outed and cured you, he gets poisoned/shot the next night and you would be totally excluded from suspicion of being precisely the Poisoner.

Vax only had TWO votes at the start of today. He was wagoned yesterday, yes, but then you didn't know he was the Poison Doctor, did you? DID YOU?

[Almost50]

and would actually recommend gerry NOT be cured/healed.

so you are saying Gerry is scum?
then why arent you voting for him.
Fos.

Because he claims to be dying tonight anyway, DUH! Plus I want Danny more.

[Almost50]

Ok, so early reads list:


Town: Moz
Chick
Almost
Rob

Pos scum: Wisdom
Danny Boy
Backhand
Vecna

Null: Everone else.

Ok, reads list day 2.

So town:

Moz
Backhand
Gerry
Vax
Robb

Null:
Wisdom
Danny

Pos scum:
Chick,
Almost
Desp.
Edos.

For the record, i found Chick's "oh, i'm gonna stay on Vecna wagon until oi know different" unconvincing, and her reads have been so fucking vague today.
Almost likewise seems very unemtional and vague.
Desp voted Danny for no good reason.
Edos - he's a fart in the wind, prob. SK if there is one.

Cool, game solved!

Ok, so you explained your reverse on reads on both me and Chicka, but why the reverse on Backhand? And why are Wisdom & Danny up from pos scum to null?

[Almost50]

Currently I wouldn't even consider lynching in Wisdom, Chicka, Desperado & Vax.

This list is weird. Those names should definitely be under more suspicion. The fact he has them as his "do not lynch" list is weird.

Chick and wisdom have done nothing to warrant a town read.
Desp I could see I guess but personally he has been giving me a lamist vibe.

OK. Got it. You suspect EVERYONE. Is there someone who is NOT a possible lynch to you today? Anyone at all?

[Almost50]

People you town read are the people I scum read so I don't trust you.

And that's why you'd be the worst Vig EVER if there IS one.

[Almost50]

Wis has been legitimately scummy since day 1 and when I have tried to interact with him to determine his alignment he has refused to give me anything, so clearly he is scum and it continues day 2.

Obviously you don't know Wisdom like AT ALL. Wisdom does NOT give reasons as either alignment. Wisdom makes pushes with no real cases (none that he articulates to entertain the crowd, that is) as either alignment. There are other means to read/sort Wisdom though, and I'm telling you I'm confifent in him being TOWN in this game (this from a guy who knows how GOOD Wisdom is as Scum, so is practically paranoid of him almost all the time).

[Almost50]

As for Desp, I just haven't seen anything from him that impresses me.

Tbh, I have not seen anything from

YOU

on D2

that does NOT make me want to vomit. Your posts are disgusting and you're throwing shit all around and at EVERYONE. Either you're SCUM or one of the WORST TOWM PLAYERS EVER.

[Almost50]

Okay, again I'll explain why your logic is flawed and has to come from mafia

1.) Why would I poison someone and then claim poisoned? That literally is the worst logic I've seen on this site.

2.) Why would I claim poisoned to out the poison doc, when you know, i could... POISON someone else and have THEM out the poisoned doc???

3.) Vax already claimed healer yesterday. So, if I knew there was a poisoner, I would have assumed that he could have either been A.) mafia or B.) poison doc. Thus which is why he shoulda been the poison target if Poisoner was smart yesterday night.

4.) Your last point is redundant and obviously flawed. You are so obvious mafia here that I am shocked that people aren't voting you more. I literally just destroyed this weak argument that you had twice in a row.

I want Chickadee to respond to what she thinks about this exchange in particular.

Listen, I'm trying to be VERY lenient and patient with you faking being obtuse which I know you're not. You've done it several time to several people over the course of this game and I KNOW it's a SCUMTELL of yours.

1- I didn't say you would. I said the exact opposite, I said you would NOT poison someone because if you did you could not claim to be the target.

2- Because while that would indeed out the Doctor it still wouldn't put you above suspicion of precisely being

the

poisoner.

3- No. Vax only crumbed hard yesterday. "You just Vigged you life saver" does NOT equate to an explicit Poison Doctor claim.

4- You trying to throw shade on me will ONLY work with those who have NOT played me before. Good try but.. let's face it: You saw BOTH my Scum and my Town games and in back-to-back games too, so you should be able to at least get a hint. Moreover, >I< have seen Scum you in two successive games and I know how manipulative you are.

5- I'm not going to engage you or Robb any more than I should. I am not working primarily with Wisdom and Chicka, and I will cooperate with Vax & Desp.

VOTE: Danny
^^^^^^^^^
@Moz: See this? That's L-3. SUE ME.

[Almost50]

come to fake you got poisoned to OUT the Poison Doc

nope
Vax outted before gerry said he was poisoned

Maybe so, but it was still on D2. gerry is SCUM and was trying to FORCE a TR on himself for it.

gerry's scum game starts with him trying to gain as much town cred to secure his position before pursuing others. The way to do it varies depending on how the game goes, but his main objective is ALWAYS to be TR'd he could not be lynched. He did it in Inception and again in Wrestle Mania. He also fakes being dumb and reverses whatever you say in a post repeatedly as scum. You say "It's white, but I think it should be black" and he responds with "How can it be black if it's white?". Now go ISO him and see where he responds to people and see the original posts he's responding to and you'd see he's done it several times already. That's SCUM!gerry

[Almost50]

You can only gauge reactions if you know a person well enough

OK. Please tell the class how well you know me, since you've obviously been judging my reactions to your garbage.

[Almost50]

Wisdom is probably the 3rd party.

Possible scum but definitely not town

He's definitely not mafia.

Fixed that for you.

Wait. No! I meant the alignment. I don't dare compare Wisdom's play to Not_Mafia ... EVER!

So, instead of letting myself get frustrated by all this, I decided to remind myself of the original me. I'm odd. That's what I am. I should act like it too.

[Almost50]

A50's 604 is so bad I almost want to say Gerry is town based on the theory he's trying to sell. Almost...

I definitely don't want a50 as my leader if he's town, and anyone else who is town should reject it also.

Sounds like trump paranoia

P.S. Wrong finger though.

[Almost50]

How is that making sense at all, Chickadee. Explain that post above.

The thinking is not that you poisoned someone and then claimed poison. The thinking is that you intentionally did not poison someone, so that you could claim to be poisoned. Then if your poison shot is x-shot you wouldn't have wasted it. You just weren't understanding what A50 was saying.

Thank you, Chicka. You join my "Beloved Interpreters Club" as I always seem to need someone to rephrase what I say better (so, far Mastina and Not Chara are full members, while Titus is an intern applicant)

[Almost50]

What I do think is odd is Moza's insistence on me listing my reads.

i think you and almost are scum.
scum hate gving reads, because...they have to lie.
so yeah, i keep asking you and almost for reads.
note people like Rob, and Backahand, and Desp (ok, his read is mainly "Moz is a twat" lol -BUT ITS A READ) ARE GIVING OUT READS without being asked
because they are town.

You, Sir, are lying out of your teeth. I have solid reads and I have stated them numerous times. I stated reads on every single slot in the game. You just don't like them, so you LIE.

[Almost50]

I don't rely on shitty meta. I can only judge him on his play this game

What game? You're not even playing THIS game.

[Almost50]

What I do think is odd is Moza's insistence on me listing my reads.

i think you and almost are scum.
scum hate gving reads, because...they have to lie.
so yeah, i keep asking you and almost for reads.
note people like Rob, and Backahand, and Desp (ok, his read is mainly "Moz is a twat" lol -BUT ITS A READ) ARE GIVING OUT READS without being asked
because they are town.

Why do you keep doing that?


VOTE: Mozamis

Stop quoting only parts of my posts to make me look scummy.

Actually, that's not a bad vote/idea. Hey p, let's do this. Btw, did you get my memo in our PT? I left it on your desk right next to the ammunition box.

VOTE: Mozamis

[Almost50]

As for Desp, I just haven't seen anything from him that impresses me.

Tbh, I have not seen anything from

YOU

on D2

that does NOT make me want to vomit. Your posts are disgusting and you're throwing shit all around and at EVERYONE. Either you're SCUM or one of the WORST TOWM PLAYERS EVER.

Oh hell no Bitch. Don't you go fucking insult my play.

No? But...

YOUR PLAY SUCKS!!

http://66.media.tumblr.com/ac671441464d ... 3z_540.jpg

Ooops! I did it again!

[Almost50]

EDBWORP

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[Almost50]

I give up

[Almost50]

You agreeing with it and also all your poison doc theories

make no sense from a scum pov

THE TRUTH HAS COME OUT!!! Bad play-yer .. bad play-yer .. bad play-yer .. bad play-yer .. nya nya nya nya

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@a50, The fact that you get mad cause people don't agree with you points to scum not town to me.

That's because you're a

BAD PLAYER

. )Psst! Did I tell you your play sucks yet?)

And now you resorted to personal insults on my play,

How can it ever be "personal" when it's directed AT YOUR PLAY??

you are dead to me.

Ouch! You shot me .. tight in the heart, dude. Now I'll never be able to tell Mary how much I loved her .. how I wanted to marry her .. have 12 kids with her .. then leave the house and never come back because I can never support TWELVE GODDAMN KIDS!!

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And I'm the bad player?

Yes, you are! You're worse than CNN, CBC & NBC combined. That's how BAD your play is. *Firm Nod*

[Almost50]

At least I'm trying my best.

Man, I'd hate to see your "less than the best". You're play is BAAAAAAD. It's worse than Michael Jackson. It's worse than Ronnie (from Candy Girl by New Edition). I bet George W Bush could do better in this game.

[Almost50]

You pissed off the wrong

person

mother fucker.

Oh, don't call yourself that. Even if it was true we don't need to know about your mating habits.

[Almost50]

I will say your false statements about me slinging mud when clearly I didn't since my posts contained actual thought process and logic means you are probably scum.

I don't see how anyone can read my posts and say it's "mud slinging "

Mud slinging .. mud slinging .. mud slinging .. bad player .. mud slinging .. bad player mud slinging

[Almost50]

That's alright dude. You fucked up and now I only have to tolerate you for day 2.

Is this a threat? Are you saying you are going to shoot me tonight? See? I told you you were a bad player. *Smirk*

[Almost50]

it's bad enough I'm going to waste my shot killing you instead of wisdom

GOD! You're WORST THAN I THOUGHT!

HEY, BEAVIS: I'm a ODD NIGHT COP. WISDOM WAS MY CHECK LAST NIGHT. HE IS FUCKING NOT MAFIA. In my VERY FIRST POST I SAID I WAS ODD. THEN SAID "

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EOPLE" IN BOLD. THEN IN MY SECOND POST I WAS RESPONDING TO CHICKA AND I SAID "I CAN'T EVEN" TO REASSERT I WAS ODD-NIGHT.

Now Chicka gave me the impression she got my crumb, and offered to work with me. Furthermore, if she did and I'm still alive then she is definitely TOWN.

I'd recommend you use your Vig shot on your own slot if ever applicable. You've been playing worse than Shaquille on free shots! Your reads are BAD, your attitude is BAD, you're so stubborn you can't even see you're BAD, and on top of it you take it personal when I say your PLAY is BAD. Like, are you sure you didn't switch the 4 and the zero when you entered your age?

I'll tell you what: You just SHUT UP FOR THE REST OF THIS GAME, and then when it's over we both blacklist each other. Spare me your junk talk and your skewed logic. Trying your best my "you know what". Seriously dude. Get a bloody grip or get lost.

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rob is prob town. waiting for vax to come back to respond to what i said to him earlier

"Probably"?!! Fucking PROBABLY?? The guys already claimed VIG. He did it pages ago but he made it abundantly clear without a shadow of doubt a couple of posts before yours, and you think he is "probably" town??

@TOWN:

gerryoat/mozamis/Robbnva/iDanyBoy

Lynch in these 4 and we win.

@Robb: Don't forget to shoot me tonight, bro. This game will never run smoothly with both you and I on board. "Almost's reads are weird" my .. erm .. my little tush.

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Like, perhaps I should have let Robb shoot me and/or Wisdom (depending on whether he is 1 or multiple shots) just to prove to him beyond any reasonable doubt that HE IS A BAD PLAYER.

And you don't like me leading the town?? Well, like it or not I AM the Town leader today, and PRECISELY on my NO LYNCH pool. You're not lynching anyone from it today. I would add you but I can't stop you from voting yourself if you want to. NOW VOTE IN DANNY/GERRY/MOZA and let's get it done with. You can shoot another one of them tonight and IF there's an Even Night Cop they should check in Edosurist/Backhand .. (or Desperado or even Vax if they want to)

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No cop would investigate a town read btw. The quote looks bad but a50 is calling wisdom town in this post.

@Town: My standard Cop play is to investigate the player(s) I fear most, regardless of how I read them. I'm known to hard defend Scum thinking they're Town when I'm VT sometimes, so when I'm Cop I need to KNOW I'm defending Town.

Wisdom would have been the most dangerous if he was Scum. I know Wisdom is very capable as a mobster and we would have never been able to lynch him unless we had a guilty on him.

As for the quotes, I was trying my best to conceal my identity, yet make it clear whom I've checked (and cleared) if I flipped. Basically, I was (still am) working under the assumption Chicka picked up on my crumb and was willing to play ball, so I was indirectly passing the info to her in particular). I may have even overdone it, but I wanted to make sure she knew Wisdom was checked and returned NOT MAFIA.

gerry is a sack of scum lying around. He played Town me, and he played Scum me, and he has never seen me crumb as strong as I did and in my first post no less, so him still spewing junk about it doesn't lineup with my impression of him being an perceptive player. Have I been overvaluing you, gerry? Are you really not as good as I took you to be?

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@Wisdom: Sometimes you do confuse me. You said to trust you (I'm paraphrasing) and I do, but some of your pushes and responses don't even make sense

And I don't think a cop would talk to his "clear" like this.

How a Cop "does not" tell his CLEAR that they TRUST THEM is beyond me!

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I don't have an issue confirming his role. If people still think gerry is scum he can still be lynched.

though i'd prefer A50 or wisdom but clearly neither of those are going to happen

@Town: So, no townie should call another mud slinging, but every townie is hereby obliged to call for the lynching of the two CONFIRMED townies in the game. That after they've already been on the TOWN DOCTOR'S wagon.

And gerry asks why I still included robb in my lynch pool!

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Him treating his clear with a bad tone like he still sort of scum reads him doesn't make sense.

Again. I CLEARLY aid I TRUSTED him, so it was more of a "fix your reads, mate" than anything remotely resembling a scum read or wanting to sort him.

[Almost50]

VOTE: Backhand

Why him over Danny, gerry, Moza, or even Edo for that matter?

[Almost50]

They have been increasingly coming up my scumdar more and more.

I dont like thier reasoning for pushes, their non-reason for voting vecna, and thier most recent post almost seemed like he knows A50 will flip town.

Also they were in teh whole wisdom fiasco the first day (with others as well)

Oh, ok. Alhough I would also know I would flip Town of I saw my crumb after the decoding. I mean, who the hell start the game saying they were "odd"? What exactly was the purpose of that kind of entrance if not precisely to crumb my role in case I died at any given night w/o me being able to claim?

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Planning beforehand on fakeclaiming ODD Night Cop?? Eh, maybe. Alrhough the way I put it with all the capitalizing and bolding I would've expected at least one person to pick up on it and then I would have been fried for it. I'm even surprised certain people didn't pick up on it when it was made. I thought it was overly obvious for someone who didn't skim the whole post (which I expected Scum to do, so that's why I didn't care).

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VOTE: Robb

That Vig claim was fake and was intended to deviate us from seeing the real situation as it is.

Robb IS the 3P poisoner, and is trying to make us doubt Vax (the Poison Doctor)

[Almost50]

I know you healed me (I received confirmation in PM), but this could likely be a fake claim.

In the show, the only person that heals poison is Barry Goodman, who is hired by Gus. So it is very possible that that vax is mafia.

Yes, because the mod didn't know that and gave Vax a fake claim that doesn't fit despite him (Percy) explicitly stating he tried to make the flavour match almost perfectly. That makes sense.

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Robb if you're really vig, you should shoot backhand. are you day or night?

UNVOTE:

Why the unvote? You don't believe my claim and you're calling for someone else to be vigged, so why did you unvote me?

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Robb if you're really vig, you should shoot backhand. are you day or night?

UNVOTE:

Why the unvote? You don't believe my claim and you're calling for someone else to be vigged, so why did you unvote me?

I clearly said backhand was my sr as well

"As well". That's 100% correct. Now we need to LYNCH someone, while someone else gets VIGGED. Your SR "as well" is the one you want to SHOT, so who do you want LYNCHED if not me? And why NOT me still?

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And as for my reaction, WHAT reaction? Are you kidding me? Or are you just riding the hype?

@Wisdom/Chicka/Desp/Vax/Edo/Backhand (Dany & Moza can also weigh on of they want to, but I thought I'd save you the embarrassment bc I SR you both): Have I been toxic? Overly aggressive? Weird (beyond my usual, that is)? Am I mistreating gerry?? Your opinions matter to ME, so please respond to this (You cab do it in spoilers if you don't want to clog the thread). THANK YOU.

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Chick, That was mostly from his Day 1 play, but his defense of A50 (that the players scum reading him are 'reaching') doesn't sit right with me and goes to null/pos scum.

Sorry but I feel like reiterating here: I crumbed odd-night cop. Chicka soon expressed will to work with me. It hinted she got my crumb. I'm still alive today, so if she did get the crumb as I thought she did then why wasn't I shot over UZI/Poisoned over gerry, assuming Scum!Chicka?

So, it's either Chicka did NOT get the crumb (which makes her response to my 1st post a bit strange.. sort of), or she did and is NOT Scum, and that's why I'm still alive.

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And seriously: Dany's concern over who the poisoner is as opposed to who the Mafia are is a massive scum tell why can you all not see this?

I can, and I've promoting a Danny lynch since D1. Bring life back to that wagon and consider my vote already on him. He's -by far- my preferred lynch (nothing personal, bud. I just think you're scum in this game and it's the way the game is played).

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What if I told you guys that MY role PM hints there being 3P? I get my results in the form mafia/not mafia or no result. Take that as you will because I'm tired of arguing about personal interpretations.

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But regarding mafia/not mafia or no result, that's pretty standard for a cop. You'd get no result if you were roleblocked.

You're spot on. And if we only have Scum vs Rown, who do you think is more likely to have a RB?

VOTE: Danny

[Almost50]

VOTE: iDanyBoy

Just to make sure it counts

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But regarding mafia/not mafia or no result, that's pretty standard for a cop. You'd get no result if you were roleblocked.

You're spot on. And if we only have Scum vs Rown, who do you think is more likely to have a RB?

VOTE: Danny

I mean, probably scum.
I'm confused. Are you still saying that your role suggests third party? I don't think it suggests anything.

No. I stopped arguing about personal interpretations (I could do that post-game IF you want to, because "sometimes" a Cop gets the results in the form of "Guilty/Not Guilty or No Result, so perhaps you can see where I'm coming from, but that's all beside the point). My point here is Scum are very likely to have a RB. So a Night Kill (and I don't care which method is theirs) AND a Roleblocker, and I did make it through the night AND get an investigation result. This makes me inclined to strongly believe whoever did get my crumb at the time MUST be TOWN, don't you agree?

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I thnk it suggests you being unable to target someone

That would be a good explanation too. Like someone is a Commuter or Ascetic However, Ascetic usually claims beforehand (as should the Miller and any other Townie with a negative utility), but Commuter does fit regardless of alignment.

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VOTE: Backhand

Robb you should shoot a50. if he doesnt flip scum i will be legit shocked.

Agreed! And if YOU flip Town I'm legit gonna blacklist you too. I'll only take your play if you are scum here (the only way it makes sense now).

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Guys, I was precisely asking about my response to GERRY! I was talking about this conversation:

I know you healed me (I received confirmation in PM), but this could likely be a fake claim.

In the show, the only person that heals poison is Barry Goodman, who is hired by Gus. So it is very possible that that vax is mafia.

Yes, because the mod didn't know that and gave Vax a fake claim that doesn't fit despite him (Percy) explicitly stating he tried to make the flavour match almost perfectly. That makes sense.

I'm just giving my opinion on what it could be. i dont get this reaction from you

The other matter is practically solved. I'm going to get shot on twilight and that's that, so I need not address it anymore. Thank you.

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We need both Chicka and Wisdom to come finish this, then I bid you farewell. Wisdom might need some convincing though.

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Desp, edos, gerry

Take your pick, ill vote all of them

I can vote gerry, but there is no wagon on him.

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VOTE: edos

almost vote here pls

1- I'm not convinced, but this is because you asked:

VOTE: Edo

2- I think I've got a way to solve the problem. I've never done this before, but I think it best for town that I leave the game. Good Luck, guys.

@Mod: Replace Me

So sorry, Percy. I really am. But if I'm the reason the Town is losing and I can avoid it I feel it's my duty to let someone else try to make it work.

[Almost50]

Thanks everyone. It was a great game.

I've just finished reading the scum PT, and I'm surprised none of you picked up on my crumb when you got the Even-Night Cop as a fake claim already.

I did that post/ crumb precisely to get the Even-Night Cop's attention. It's saves us one check each, and thought ONLY the one with the "EVEN-Night Cop" would pick up on the "I'm ODD" part.

Anyway, GG by you especially, but also by the whole team collectively. Your response -while I know now was not even intended that way- really had me going and I thought you were my "other half". I would've really suspected you only on D3 when you didn't give me a result on someone.

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gerry play more like town pls
You were my only wrong read
I nailed everything else

No counterargument to that from me. You had VERY GOOD reads this game.