Mini 1928 - Villain Mafia - GAME OVER

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #3 (isolation #0) » Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:13 am

Confirm :3

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #34 (isolation #1) » Wed Jul 12, 2017 4:04 pm

Spoiler:

VOTE: Firebringer

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #55 (isolation #2) » Thu Jul 13, 2017 11:06 am

Don't worry about Fuzzy, Fire, I'm vigging him tonight.
Venge Raya.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #58 (isolation #3) » Thu Jul 13, 2017 11:25 am

I'm not.
If I were, you would've confirmed me as town by now.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #61 (isolation #4) » Thu Jul 13, 2017 11:34 am

You don't think so?
That's it?

Step up your trolling, please.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #66 (isolation #5) » Thu Jul 13, 2017 11:49 am

In post 63, Firebringer wrote:
In post 61, TellTaleHeart wrote:You don't think so?
That's it?

Step up your trolling, please.
Ur face should step up.

Boo. Your comebacks are weaker than Anti's.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #67 (isolation #6) » Thu Jul 13, 2017 11:50 am

In post 62, Treblesome wrote:Hi TTH I'm bussing you this game. It's nothing personal, I just want loads of towncred.

VOTE: TTH

See Fire,

this

is why RC is in the Misunderstood Bad Boys Band and you're not.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #73 (isolation #7) » Thu Jul 13, 2017 12:06 pm

Did you just try to rhyme "writing" with "writing"?
Vote now srs.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #79 (isolation #8) » Thu Jul 13, 2017 12:11 pm

VOTE: Radical Rat

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #94 (isolation #9) » Thu Jul 13, 2017 12:34 pm

In post 92, Radical Rat wrote:
In post 71, Radical Rat wrote:Hello fellow villains, and what a lovely day for villaining it is!
/confirm if that's still necessary.

In post 59, Carcalilly wrote:If Fuzzy dies tonight than TTH can be on my conftown list.
If not then we lynch them day two.
Sounds like a plan.
VOTE: Carcalilly
Why couldn't TTH just scumkill Fuzzy? In fact, this seems like giving her a free pass if she gets caught via tracker/watcher.
Also, answer this please

Bad

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #96 (isolation #10) » Thu Jul 13, 2017 12:51 pm

Aside from the fact that I obviously wasn't seriously claiming vig?
The fact that an extra kill would be the telltale for if a vig claim is true or not. The idea of pony "making an excuse for a tracker guilty" is just nonsense.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #101 (isolation #11) » Thu Jul 13, 2017 1:19 pm

In post 100, Radical Rat wrote:Unless Doc. Or RBer. Or JK.

In all these cases, a hypothetical tracker or watcher result would confirm something I already claimed. Those themselves are not damning. They don't need "excusing."
This angle is still bunk.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #103 (isolation #12) » Thu Jul 13, 2017 1:22 pm

In post 97, Firebringer wrote:TTH is annoyed.
Watch out

In post 99, Firebringer wrote:TTH I am certifying you as Town.
Congrats

"TTH is being a bitch, so she's town I guess."

Thank you...

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #111 (isolation #13) » Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:39 pm

In post 110, Radical Rat wrote:God damn it, I am too autistic to keep up with all these "joke" claims.

If you're gonna say something, then unless it's part of some gambit or reaction test,
please
mean it.

OK, let's ignore the jokes and pretend we're both being totally serious.
Watcher or tracker sees me target fuzzy, who is presumably now a corpse. So what? I already said I was killing fuzzy.

Why would pony need to "make excuses" now and why is she scum?

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #120 (isolation #14) » Thu Jul 13, 2017 5:11 pm

In post 114, Radical Rat wrote:
In post 111, TellTaleHeart wrote:
In post 110, Radical Rat wrote:God damn it, I am too autistic to keep up with all these "joke" claims.

If you're gonna say something, then unless it's part of some gambit or reaction test,
please
mean it.
OK, let's ignore the jokes and pretend we're both being totally serious.
Watcher or tracker sees me target fuzzy, who is presumably now a corpse. So what? I already said I was killing fuzzy.

Why would pony need to "make excuses" now and why is she scum?
It'd be a darn good scumstrat I'd say. You get caught red handed in the nightkill, your vig claim protects you, and you get towncred for telling the "truth."

In this scenario Carcalilly would be your scumbuddy, setting the stage for you to be "conftown."

However, none of that has happened yet, and I only meant to point out that Fuzzy's death would confirm nothing, and claiming that it would is sketchy as hell.

That's awful.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #122 (isolation #15) » Thu Jul 13, 2017 5:16 pm

VOTE: Madvillain

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #127 (isolation #16) » Thu Jul 13, 2017 5:20 pm

In post 124, Madvillain wrote:
In post 122, TellTaleHeart wrote:VOTE: Madvillain
wow this is a bad vote

are you going to vote everyone who seems like you can pass them off as "gut scum" cause that's what it looks like to me

I thought the fact you two apparently already synced on this game.

In post 119, Madvillain wrote:@mason buddies - we are town daddy

we're thinking either rat
or fuzzylogic

but I shall bring up carca to him for great justice

- madbins

also fitzboi is still scum

But you had yet to talk about Carca was off.

Come at me.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #128 (isolation #17) » Thu Jul 13, 2017 5:22 pm

*And hippy had to prompt you to talk about Carca.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #133 (isolation #18) » Thu Jul 13, 2017 5:28 pm

What's Bulge's concern about fuzzy?
And what's your concern about Rad Rat because I'm getting a feeling he's groanworthy town.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #134 (isolation #19) » Thu Jul 13, 2017 5:30 pm

In post 132, Firebringer wrote:hey partner what's up.

Got any pings yet?
I think we should lynch rc he is a thread regardless of alignment.

What kind of pathetic bender did I go on that made me agree to this?

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #135 (isolation #20) » Thu Jul 13, 2017 5:33 pm

In post 132, Firebringer wrote:Got any pings yet?
I think we should lynch rc he is a thread regardless of alignment.

Yes to the first question. ~leans over and whispers~
No to the second. If RC is town, the game gets much easier.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #156 (isolation #21) » Thu Jul 13, 2017 6:00 pm

RC, is that you?
If so, you're making me sad.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #159 (isolation #22) » Thu Jul 13, 2017 6:15 pm

Because you didn't give me the time of day on my Mad Villain read.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #181 (isolation #23) » Fri Jul 14, 2017 12:38 am

You people are too easily trolled.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #182 (isolation #24) » Fri Jul 14, 2017 12:39 am

In post 178, havingfitz wrote:
In post 111, TellTaleHeart wrote:Why would pony need to "make excuses" now and why is she scum?
Who is pony?

I'm assuming whatever's in Carcalilly's avy is a pony.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #199 (isolation #25) » Fri Jul 14, 2017 4:15 am

In post 187, Carcalilly wrote:Fuzzy looks town to me actually

This.
I have a hard time thinking Fuzzy, as scum, would L-1 someone he apparently believed could be vengeful

while

calling him so shitty, town would still be better off with him dead regardless of alignment.
First impression is too ballsy to be scum.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #201 (isolation #26) » Fri Jul 14, 2017 4:20 am

Did you ever sync up with your partner on Carca?

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #204 (isolation #27) » Fri Jul 14, 2017 4:26 am

In post 198, Madvillain wrote:
In post 195, Carcalilly wrote:I just felt like sheeping treble
oh boy carca

What was your issue with this post?

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #243 (isolation #28) » Sat Jul 15, 2017 6:48 pm

This is me.
Not moving my vote.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #244 (isolation #29) » Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:26 pm

In post 152, Treblesome wrote:I mean I could vote Fuzzy. There's actual scum motivation there unlike RR who feels just bad.

In post 154, Treblesome wrote:VOTE: Fuzzylogic

RC/Apricity, could you talk about this a little more please?
I'm not on that train.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #246 (isolation #30) » Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:34 pm

That's sort of my problem.
Wagon goes through, who does he think's eating the vengekill?

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #248 (isolation #31) » Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:37 pm

Unless your theory involves him bussing? This seems even more implausible. In that case, it seems unlikely he would couch it as a policy lynch.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #251 (isolation #32) » Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:45 pm

In post 38, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:part of me wants to lynch you to find out and the other part does not want to take that chance.
I don't see anything that makes you scum ..so I am holding off my vote.

You think Fuzzy's playing dumb?
I don't know...

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #253 (isolation #33) » Sat Jul 15, 2017 8:00 pm

I'm not (always) trying to boss you around. You can vote whoever you want, I'm not near confident on pushing someone to someone to lynch right this instant.
The purpose of that question was info gathering and I told you I wasn't on the same page in the hopes you would walk me through your reasoning thoroughly.

If you're asking me if there's anyone I think is more likely to be scum than Fuzzy, the answer to that is yes. Villain and Raya come to mind.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #255 (isolation #34) » Sat Jul 15, 2017 8:36 pm

Snarky's singular post also rubs me the wrong way.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #277 (isolation #35) » Sun Jul 16, 2017 5:45 pm

In post 262, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:That's why I voted for you...bc I did not think you were trying to help the town, You seem to have your own agenda not aligned with the town.

I'm starting to second guess myself on writing you off as town. This theory feels overwrought.
What could possibly be the scum agenda behind Fire egging on his own wagon?

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #279 (isolation #36) » Sun Jul 16, 2017 5:54 pm

In post 268, Treblesome wrote:As much as I like bossy bitch mode TTH, I like my vote right now so you should come join me on Snarky.

I really hope we're still doing the trolly dance on the "bossy bitch" thing because as I start getting serious I'm not really trying to be either.
I also don't really want to vote Snarky after that pagetop vote. :/

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #282 (isolation #37) » Sun Jul 16, 2017 6:16 pm

In post 277, TellTaleHeart wrote:
In post 262, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:That's why I voted for you...bc I did not think you were trying to help the town, You seem to have your own agenda not aligned with the town.
I'm starting to second guess myself on writing you off as town. This theory feels overwrought.
What could possibly be the scum agenda behind Fire egging on his own wagon?

Thinking on this, I think I get the fuzzylogic mindset. (Actions either help town or scum. Fire's not helping town. Therefore he's helping scum.)
It's not great but I'm back to thinking there's a good chance it's a town brand of derp.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #284 (isolation #38) » Sun Jul 16, 2017 6:27 pm

Get out of my face and let me work.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #289 (isolation #39) » Mon Jul 17, 2017 1:03 am

What are you talking about?

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #293 (isolation #40) » Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:09 am

In post 291, Madvillain wrote:Your original vote was for something you thought you caught me out for, but that wasn't the case. I was honestly expecting an unvote.

What exactly did you say that should have satisfied me?

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #294 (isolation #41) » Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:11 am

In post 291, Madvillain wrote:Like what's wrong with the Snarky vote?

The accompanying "lynchbait" comment.
Why do you care if he gets wagoned or not?

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #298 (isolation #42) » Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:16 am

In post 295, Madvillain wrote:Your original vote (I'm assuming) was because you didn't actually believe I conversed with The Bulge about Carca?

No, I'll believe you on talking to Bulge. I just don't think you talked about legitimate reads if Carca failed to come up in your review.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #300 (isolation #43) » Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:19 am

In post 296, Carcalilly wrote:idk why so many people are voting snarky

The first post was mostly bothersome to me because denigrating the value of the first five pages felt filler-y and scumreading fuzzy but arbitrarily declaring a timetable for lynching him felt weird.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #360 (isolation #44) » Tue Jul 18, 2017 2:35 am

In post 347, Madvillain wrote:People gonna continue to scumread for no reason?

I'll earmark this for tomorrow, I'll spell it out when I have a second and a computer.
In the meantime, why are you townreading RC?

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #391 (isolation #45) » Tue Jul 18, 2017 5:13 pm

In post 370, Treblesome wrote:
In post 360, TellTaleHeart wrote:
In post 347, Madvillain wrote:People gonna continue to scumread for no reason?
I'll earmark this for tomorrow, I'll spell it out when I have a second and a computer.
In the meantime, why are you townreading RC?
Are you not?

I kind of, sort of am? Instinctively, I'm inclined to think the reaching out to me you've done this game is more likely to come from town-you, but the read is still developing.
I'm not asking because I think it's wrong to townread you. I'n asking because I want to get a sense of where Madvillian is coming from and how their reads are being synthesized.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #393 (isolation #46) » Tue Jul 18, 2017 5:36 pm

In post 373, Treblesome wrote:So correct me if I'm wrong but the case on Madvillain is that they didn't scumread Carcalilly (whom I think is town) and that they're townreading me (whom I know is town.)
I understand tonal scumreads on the slot but that's entirely NAI because her tone is always scummy and if anything her tone is better when she's scum.

You're not wrong so much as a little imprecise.
My issue with the Carcalilly thing wasn't really the read given. It was more that Bins threw in a little shit line in Post 119 about how she would "bring it up" to Bulge when the presentation of the combined scumreads made it look like a sync already happened, which I still think would yield

something

on Carcalilly. That hit my gut the wrong way because it felt more to me like Bins was just saying what hiplop, who had just voted Carca, wanted to hear.
I also pretty thoroughly hate their immediate response to my vote which was to discredit me and imply I'm scummy for pushing them (Post 124) before they tried to figure out where I was coming from or what I was thinking.

I recall Bins from Gistou but other than that I don't remember playing any other games with her. What previous games do you recommend to get a baseline on tone?

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #394 (isolation #47) » Tue Jul 18, 2017 5:37 pm

In post 390, SnarkySnowman wrote:Steel tellin it like it is. Definitely like him for town.

Who in this game is RC firebringer???

I'll give this more attention tomorrow by the way work has been swamped

It bothers me that you apparently have the wherewithal to have a townread on Steel, but don't know who RC is.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #395 (isolation #48) » Tue Jul 18, 2017 5:46 pm

In post 386, Firebringer wrote:On my whole fuzzy thing I think and this is bad but I think his vote on me was a "too scummy to be scum" as terrible as that is.
Fuzzy doesn't seem to have nerve for quick day I don't think as scum and definitely not in manner he did.

It bothers me that you took a random potshot at me earlier for coming to the same conclusion with essentially the same reasoning.
I also agree with RC's assessment of your initial response as weird. How did you know RC would vote you (Post 323)? Is there some sort of context I'm missing? RC himself is already denying it exists (Post 329).

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #407 (isolation #49) » Wed Jul 19, 2017 4:41 am

In post 396, Firebringer wrote:It bothers me too which is why I said "this is bad"
Me calling you out is because i think it's bad reasoning.

I think I am more on "fuzzy doesn't behave like this as scum" more than that.

What's the "bad reasoning" part?

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #408 (isolation #50) » Wed Jul 19, 2017 4:42 am

In post 396, Firebringer wrote:And yes, me and rc do this dance nearly every early game. I am kind of bored with it, but he needs to sort me someway so it's whatever. Not too upset with it.

Link one game, please.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #409 (isolation #51) » Wed Jul 19, 2017 4:47 am

In post 397, Treblesome wrote:Okay, fair enough.
If you townread me for reaching out to you do I get to scumread you for telling me to get out of your face?

Get to? I guess? :S
Is scumreading me some sort of privilege?

In post 397, Treblesome wrote:I don't really have an answer to reading Bins. After Slavic Music mafia I found her really easy to read and I'm not really sure where that development came from.
That's probably your best option in terms of understanding where my read on her comes from but this is sort of a black box situation where I can usually tell what Bins is but can't put words to it.

Alright-y. We'll talk about this later when things develop more.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #411 (isolation #52) » Wed Jul 19, 2017 4:50 am

In post 400, Firebringer wrote:Idk I had a few people but too are participating at this pace.
Kind of iffy on my initial TTH townread now tbh.

Why?
(And why does it need to be qualified with "tbh"?)

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #416 (isolation #53) » Wed Jul 19, 2017 5:01 am

In post 413, Antitown wrote:
In post 394, TellTaleHeart wrote:
In post 390, SnarkySnowman wrote:Steel tellin it like it is. Definitely like him for town.

Who in this game is RC firebringer???

I'll give this more attention tomorrow by the way work has been swamped
It bothers me that you apparently have the wherewithal to have a townread on Steel, but don't know who RC is.
What is wrong with this exactly?

My instinctive conclusion is that he's not really keeping tabs on the game and the Steel read is fake.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #417 (isolation #54) » Wed Jul 19, 2017 5:02 am

In post 416, TellTaleHeart wrote:
In post 413, Antitown wrote:
In post 394, TellTaleHeart wrote:
In post 390, SnarkySnowman wrote:Steel tellin it like it is. Definitely like him for town.

Who in this game is RC firebringer???

I'll give this more attention tomorrow by the way work has been swamped
It bothers me that you apparently have the wherewithal to have a townread on Steel, but don't know who RC is.
What is wrong with this exactly?
My instinctive conclusion is that he's not really keeping tabs on the game and the Steel read is fake.

*And he just threw out that read out there to look like he had reads.

Hit the sumbit too soon.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #418 (isolation #55) » Wed Jul 19, 2017 5:05 am

In post 403, Madvillain wrote:[tth, he's right. i never thought i'd admit that. but if it is tonal i really suggest you dont]

OK ^_^

In post 403, Madvillain wrote:also i am yelling at bulge but i also expected this

I like yelling!
Quick poll for you two: which alignment do you prefer?

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #449 (isolation #56) » Wed Jul 19, 2017 3:05 pm

VOTE: Firebringer
Doing this until you talk to me.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #453 (isolation #57) » Wed Jul 19, 2017 3:08 pm

You very obviously weren't hammered.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #458 (isolation #58) » Wed Jul 19, 2017 3:11 pm

And yet, you're not playing the game.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #460 (isolation #59) » Wed Jul 19, 2017 3:13 pm

In post 446, Firebringer wrote:So what I am getting at is you are behind and now catching up and voting me.
Got it.

The "town" is rc, steel, TTH.

Great.

In post 447, Firebringer wrote:Actually ur reads are a piece of turd.

Fight me 1v1.

OK, so why are you scumreading any of these three?

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #465 (isolation #60) » Wed Jul 19, 2017 3:17 pm

That doesn't answer the question.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #468 (isolation #61) » Wed Jul 19, 2017 3:22 pm

I don't see how you can possibly think my approach is scummy.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #479 (isolation #62) » Wed Jul 19, 2017 4:48 pm

In post 476, Treblesome wrote:okay so there was literally no reason for apricity to say that and I said something to her about that. I'm not easily hurt at all and I'm not sad, I was just surprised by the get out of my face thing.

That wasn't serious. I was responding to Post 283 in an exaggeratedly bossy manner to maximize situational irony.
I probably should've used "

" to indicate that, but that's such an ugly emoticon. Sorry, RC.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #493 (isolation #63) » Thu Jul 20, 2017 2:57 am

Well I sure am glad all the scumreads on me are "honest."
Otherwise, how would I know?

VOTE: Madvillain

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #496 (isolation #64) » Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:52 am

Is that so?
Which ones?

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #497 (isolation #65) » Thu Jul 20, 2017 4:04 am

In post 494, Madvillain wrote:If you have an issue with me saying honestly
I say honestly like
all the time
honestly

Maybe I wouldn't have a problem with it if nearly everything you said weren't super fake.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #503 (isolation #66) » Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:13 am

In post 501, Treblesome wrote:@Fuzzy, Scorp:

Basically what RC said about Snarky. Taking a strong stance against Fuzzy but saying not to lynch him yet. Also (I think someone may have said this already but I don't remember who) the firm Steel townread is weird for someone who can't even read enough to know who RC is. Like he's just tossing them out to make it look like he's doing something.

As for Raya, I think her entry sounded incredibly forced, even for RVS joking around. Then she basically doubled down on Fuzzy except for that random question about masons. Not much content besides that, but hopefully Scorp can rectify that.

Much forced reads.
So scums.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #505 (isolation #67) » Thu Jul 20, 2017 11:28 am

RC has had

numerous

posts and people have referred to the hydra as "RC" including Steel who was "telling it like it is" and you were "definitely liking for town."
That's my problem. Not the inattentiveness by itself. The inattentiveness plus this random read you pull out of your hat.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #506 (isolation #68) » Thu Jul 20, 2017 11:29 am

Now someone please tell me how scummy I'm being for bringing that up or questioning that TIA

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #509 (isolation #69) » Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:15 pm

Confirmed to you or confirmed to everyone?

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #511 (isolation #70) » Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:41 pm

There's scum in the neighborhood.
And it's Madvillain.

But it's a situation that resolves itself. UNVOTE:

Of course, this does mean protectives need to be on Lady and Treblesome.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #514 (isolation #71) » Thu Jul 20, 2017 4:08 pm

I really don't think you could've explained it more clearly than Treblesome just did.
What are you confused about?

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #516 (isolation #72) » Thu Jul 20, 2017 4:41 pm

The "number of scum in the neighborhood will be revealed" thing? Of course.
Do you have a reason to not believe it? o.O

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #518 (isolation #73) » Thu Jul 20, 2017 4:50 pm

Tramp just backed it up.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #520 (isolation #74) » Thu Jul 20, 2017 5:19 pm

So what's your point? What are you questioning?

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #530 (isolation #75) » Fri Jul 21, 2017 5:35 am

In post 526, Madvillain wrote:Mostly because why wouldn't he agree that I'm the scum in the group.

Because I'm the only person who's said that.
Why

would

he agree?

(I see you trying to paint yourself as a consensus, groupthinky scumread.)

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #532 (isolation #76) » Fri Jul 21, 2017 5:54 am

In post 530, TellTaleHeart wrote:Because I'm the only person who's said that.
Why would he agree?

Maybe Radical Rat was calling you scum when he asked fuzzy that question? So maximum two people were calling you scun in the neighborhood. My point still stands.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #537 (isolation #77) » Fri Jul 21, 2017 6:59 am

Why would that frustrate you? You think I'm scum anyway, right?
Or was that not "honest"?

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #538 (isolation #78) » Fri Jul 21, 2017 7:07 am

In post 534, havingfitz wrote:I am not especially suspect of anyone in the hood so I am not too bothered at staying away from them atm....but if at some point prior to D3 (or D4?) one of them were to become lynch worthy I would not be swayed from voting them by their hood presence. I'm inclinced to ignore it actually and if we get to a point where there is some sort of result they can share...whatever. I think it's existence just creates wifom...fog...

That's objectively suboptimal play. If you have an opportunity to get a narrower lynchpool come Day 3, why wouldn't you just take that and deal with the possibility of fringe cases (all town neighborhood, all scum neighborhood) when you got to that point?

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #547 (isolation #79) » Fri Jul 21, 2017 11:39 am

VOTE: Scorpius
I can get behind that.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #584 (isolation #80) » Sat Jul 22, 2017 12:14 pm

Alright-y well I guess that's that.
UNVOTE:

On break from this game until tomorrow afternoon. Toodles.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #603 (isolation #81) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:00 am

VOTE: Madvillain
Lady, Fire, please join me.
RC, how's this read going for you?

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #608 (isolation #82) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 12:00 pm

In post 607, Madvillain wrote:This doesnt make sense to me

It makes total sense.
I unvoted because I thought there would be an alignment census in the neighborhood on Day 3. RC since reneged on that claim.
What doesn't make sense?

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #610 (isolation #83) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 12:11 pm

In post 607, Madvillain wrote:Are your votes always so wishy washy? You really love to throw that vote on us every couple pages and see how long it sticks.

I have voted you a grand total of three times in this 25 page game, so "every couple pages" is already an exaggeration of ...whatever point is is you're attempting to make.
Moving my vote elsewhere also doesn't indicate a changed read on you, so it's not "wishy washy." I move my vote whenever someone or something else compels me. In Firebringer's case, he was pissing me off and in Scorpius' case, wagon building with RC.

What exactly

is

your point here? You're throwing shade at some isolated behavior (vote hopping) without forming a larger scum theory about how that behavior fits into a scummy pattern.

Is your ultimate point that my scumread on you lacks conviction? Because that's bullshit and demonstrably so.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #615 (isolation #84) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 12:29 pm

In post 612, Madvillain wrote:Clearly an exaggeration. Not sure why you're reading into this so hard, not every single post has some grand scheme behind it. And cut the strawman pls and thx

Where did I strawman? :S

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #617 (isolation #85) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 12:33 pm

In post 610, TellTaleHeart wrote:Is your ultimate point that my scumread on you lacks conviction? Because that's bullshit and demonstrably so.

This isn't a strawman. I am literally asking what your fucking point is. This is me filling in what your point

could

be because otherwise I have no clue.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #619 (isolation #86) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 12:41 pm

Stupid me. Yellow

does

just intuitively indicate "probably town."

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #620 (isolation #87) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 12:42 pm

I'm being shitty and awful again so I'll go for a while.
Please explain what the colors mean.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #625 (isolation #88) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 3:29 pm

In post 624, Firebringer wrote:
In post 620, TellTaleHeart wrote:I'm being shitty and awful again so I'll go for a while.
Please explain what the colors mean.
This was a anti hero post.
Are u sure ur not account sharing?

In less joking manner, maybe take a break from this game for a bit?

The difference between me and Anti/Cheetory is that when they say they're being shitty and awful they're not

actually

being shitty and awful. They both have this distorted view of themselves as toxic cesspools when neither of them are.
I like to think I'm more realistic in my assessment.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #628 (isolation #89) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 3:36 pm

In post 626, Treblesome wrote:it's funny that you came to that conclusion about Anti/Cheetory having a distorted view of themselves you didn't extend that to thinking that maybe you were doing an equally poor job of judging your own toxicity

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #632 (isolation #90) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 3:43 pm

OK. UNVOTE:
Now would probably be a good time to take inventory on where I am with everyone so I'll do that now.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #634 (isolation #91) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 4:23 pm

Carcalilly, Treblesome, Radical Rat
Scorpious, TheFuzzyLogic99
Steel, Antitown, Firebringer
Lady and the Tramp
SnarkySnowman
havingfitz, Madvillain

Steel and Lady tiers make up the "null" region.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #638 (isolation #92) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 5:15 pm

In post 636, Firebringer wrote:
In post 634, TellTaleHeart wrote:Carcalilly, Treblesome, Radical Rat
Scorpious, TheFuzzyLogic99
Steel, Antitown, Firebringer
Lady and the Tramp
SnarkySnowman
havingfitz, Madvillain

Steel and Lady tiers make up the "null" region.
Why did you unvote madvillian then?

Because I'm looking to work with RC today.

Treblesome wrote:Aaaaa

Why do you townread Scorpious exactly?

The "psuedo strongman" part of the claim. I doubt he's capable of making that up on the fly.
To me, the only way Scorpius could still be scum is if he's not lying about his role but is still scum and I would only revisit that possibility if there ended up being an insane amount of power claimed later on.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #640 (isolation #93) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 7:13 pm

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #642 (isolation #94) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:20 pm

In post 635, Radical Rat wrote:
In post 634, TellTaleHeart wrote:Carcalilly, Treblesome, Radical Rat
Scorpious, TheFuzzyLogic99
Steel, Antitown, Firebringer
Lady and the Tramp
SnarkySnowman
havingfitz, Madvillain

Steel and Lady tiers make up the "null" region.
Why is Fuzzy Town?
Why is fitz Scum?

I got a "too clunky/bad to be scum" feel on Fuzzy early on and I haven't seen a reason to think otherwise since. I haven't seen any great reads or anything else that stands out that makes me feel super confident about that read, which is why he's not in the top tier, but in my judgement his bumbling-but-not-in-an-ingratiating-way play is more likely to come from town than scum. A good example of what I'm talking about is Post 561. It seems like the really obvious thing for Fuzzy!scum to do here is shut the fuck up on roll over for the claim, why poke the beehive by bringing up something as out-there as scum vig? The only way that makes sense is if Scorpius is actually a scum vig but I'm not really entertaining that right now.

There were a couple posts from Fitz that pinged me. The first was Post 330 which I read as a filler-y "here's something that looks like an opinion to fill space" post mostly because I can't figure out a reason why the grab ass "mason" claiming at the beginning was particularly bothersome. The post that really bugged me was the most recent, Post 534. Fitz obviously spent time thinking about this issue of how to deal with a revealed neighborhood, so it's striking to me that he came to the really anti-town conclusion to just brush it off. The mod confirming the alignment of three people is a pretty big boon for town. Why would you throw that away by lynching in the neighborhood? It's a pretty cut and dry deal but I feel like Fitz was trying to add "wifom...fog..." to it by labeling it as such.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #643 (isolation #95) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:40 pm

In post 641, Treblesome wrote:How confident are you in Mad scum? Can you give a little more detail?

Not.
The thorn in my ass about Mad is Bins' brand of OMGUS. She never attempts to explain it or go into any kind of detail about it so I feel like its sole purpose is to discredit me and my read on her. I also hated Bulge's latest attempt to try to find a way onto pushing me. In terms of their other reads, Bulge's reads list is OK-ish... I guess? I don't know. Other than the Antitown read he didn't really explain anything. Looking back I'm not really sure what Bins' other reads even are so I can't really make a call on those.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #658 (isolation #96) » Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:37 am

VOTE: havingfitz

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #660 (isolation #97) » Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:29 am

In post 645, Firebringer wrote:
In post 638, TellTaleHeart wrote:Because I'm looking to work with RC today.
......

If this becomes a game where rc dictates lynches.
Ugh.

This has nothing to do with "blindly sheeping" or "rc dictating" and everything to do with cohesion and keepung a healty gamestate. I've played enough games with RC and watched RC play from a mod position to know that he doesn't do well and he's miserable when he feels like he's not being listened to.
It's a lot better for the game to have RC engaged rather than frustrated and miserable.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #663 (isolation #98) » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:06 am

No, but two of the neighbors said it would at the time. Why would that not be good enough for you for now?

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #665 (isolation #99) » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:40 am

In post 664, havingfitz wrote:And giving them a pass until day/night? 3 only to potentially get 1 scum in hood result helps none.

Having a confirmed alignment numbers in a pool of three people helps none?
What are you thinking because even on its face that statement is unbelievably ridiculous.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #668 (isolation #100) » Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:07 am

In post 667, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:I have not seen anything in particular that makes me think they are town or scum. If there is a word that describe being beyond null I think that they would fit into that.

Lazy.
I've done this.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #669 (isolation #101) » Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:08 am

In post 667, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:Can anyone explain why Snarky or Fritz or scummy bc I am not getting it

I meant to quote this.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #672 (isolation #102) » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:00 am

In post 670, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:so them being lazy = scum. I want to understand you right

No, I'm calling

you

lazy.
I've explained both the Snarky and Fitz reads and you're still asking for explanations.

TellTaleHeart · Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:38 am

That's actually 2 mislynches in your hypothetical.
2 tries in 3 people to find scum rather than 2 tries out of 7 people is favorable for reasons I shouldn't have to explain.

TellTaleHeart · Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:47 am

Going away

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #708 (isolation #105) » Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:49 am

Night 3? Where did you get that, hippy and RC said Day 3.

In post 702, havingfitz wrote:If the result is no scum in the neighborhood will you believe it?

I would be skeptical.

In post 702, havingfitz wrote:Do you think odds are there are at least 1 scum in the hood?

Answer

Is there a reason you're not talking about reads?

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #709 (isolation #106) » Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:52 am

In post 707, CommKnight wrote:Now this seems fun. Last time I played a similar set-up all the mafia (Town players) had mafia PRs and there were two other factions that were working against the mafia (Town).

But glad to see it only looks like 1 mafia faction this game. Anyway, gonna ISO a few people to get the gist of events. I won't read anything after this post until I finish my ISO's.

The most important ISOs are havingfitz and fuzzylogic. Deadline is almost here so take a side.
Lady, you too.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #714 (isolation #107) » Tue Jul 25, 2017 5:41 am

In post 709, TellTaleHeart wrote:
In post 707, CommKnight wrote:Now this seems fun. Last time I played a similar set-up all the mafia (Town players) had mafia PRs and there were two other factions that were working against the mafia (Town).

But glad to see it only looks like 1 mafia faction this game. Anyway, gonna ISO a few people to get the gist of events. I won't read anything after this post until I finish my ISO's.
The most important ISOs are havingfitz and fuzzylogic. Deadline is almost here so take a side.
Lady, you too.

In post 713, Carcalilly wrote:TBH that post looks to me like more of a town slip than a scum slip

Forgot about you.
You three.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #722 (isolation #108) » Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:18 am

In post 719, Steel wrote:
In post 698, Steel wrote:Can I get multiple quotes on percent likelyhood of scum vigilante in a game?

The simple answer is not likely.
The more accurate nuanced answer is you can't really pin down a percentage in a vacuum. I say it's not likely now simply because scum vig is very rare in site meta. The reason it's rare is because giving scum extra killing power is giving scum more power than can feasibly be balanced for (I know this from making a lot of role madness setups). It depends on other claims and how reasonably giving scum extra kill(s) could counter that claimed power.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #725 (isolation #109) » Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:29 am

Who do you want to leash the shot to?

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #731 (isolation #110) » Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:49 am

I can agree with leashing the shot onto Madvillain. Scorpius?

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #733 (isolation #111) » Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:51 am

BTW, Carca's current non participation in anything right now is irking me too.

TellTaleHeart · Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:31 am

This is me summoning all my energy to repress my cattiness.

TellTaleHeart · Tue Jul 25, 2017 12:37 pm

In post 743, havingfitz wrote:So if you are of the mindset that there is probably a scum entity in the neighborhood (which would make sense since why create/populate a neighborhood with that kind of delayed confirmation if there isn't at least one scum)...then aren't the odds of hitting scum in the neighborhood better right now...D1...in hitting scum in 1 or 2 out of 3 vs trying to find scum in 3 out of 13?

A "mindset" is an opinion, not mod confirmed information.
Also, getting mod confirmation and then lynching the scum in the neighborhood serves the purpose of confirming the other (one or two) neighbors as town You miss that by lynching before the mod information rolls in.

TellTaleHeart · Tue Jul 25, 2017 12:39 pm

I probably should've let you have the last word on that if that's really the thing keeping you from posting on other things but whatever.
You still think fuzzy is scum based on his failure to distinguish L-2 from L-1? Is that it?

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #765 (isolation #115) » Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:04 am

In post 758, Lady And The Tramp wrote:
In post 743, havingfitz wrote:So if you are of the mindset that there is probably a scum entity in the neighborhood (which would make sense since why create/populate a neighborhood with that kind of delayed confirmation if there isn't at least one scum)...then aren't the odds of hitting scum in the neighborhood better right now...D1...in hitting scum in 1 or 2 out of 3 vs trying to find scum in 3 out of 13? The same argument you use to show why that would be to town's advantage in your earlier argument against me.
I think it balances by instead of masons there is natural suspicion. I think my buddies are town

Who said that?
Is this hippy?

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #780 (isolation #116) » Wed Jul 26, 2017 6:31 am

VOTE: Lady and the Tramp
RC, Fire, let's flashwagon this.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #781 (isolation #117) » Wed Jul 26, 2017 6:34 am

In post 774, Lady And The Tramp wrote:we are one

You were a mile up my keister in Walking Dead for townreading the neighborhood on Day 1 and you were paranoid from go. Now you're declaring everyone town based on something about "balance" (which I don't know how you could

possibly

make a judgment on) that you pulled directly out of your ass?
No. Not buying it.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #786 (isolation #118) » Wed Jul 26, 2017 7:05 am

In post 777, havingfitz wrote:
In post 768, Madvillain wrote:Just,

everyone not on Fitz + Scorpius needs to vote there
Fuzzy is town

In post 772, Madvillain wrote:the dude is dead set on vigging my townreads AND ME so
Well as shit as your "reads" are that's probably a good thing.

Considering they trolled their other claims, no.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #787 (isolation #119) » Wed Jul 26, 2017 7:06 am

That quote shouldn't be there and I'm not sure why it is.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #789 (isolation #120) » Wed Jul 26, 2017 7:23 am

Day is light and night is dark.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #796 (isolation #121) » Wed Jul 26, 2017 8:13 am

I will unvote: if I hear a good rationale for why hippy thinks an all-town neighborhood is "balanced" and how he could possibly know that right now, if they say the masonizer claim is serious, or if my vote is needed elsewhere at deadline.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #805 (isolation #122) » Wed Jul 26, 2017 8:32 am

Yes I know the neighborhood alignment reveal was fake.
That also has zero relevance to what I'm talking about now.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #808 (isolation #123) » Wed Jul 26, 2017 8:37 am

In post 806, Steel wrote:
FOS:
TTH for pushing fitz for his views about not wanting to give the neighborhood a free pass but then pushing lady herself.

Unless I'm misinterpreting some nuance to it, I don't see her views meshing with what she said in the latter part of 642.

RC
retracted
the claim

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #809 (isolation #124) » Wed Jul 26, 2017 8:39 am

In post 807, havingfitz wrote:
In post 805, TellTaleHeart wrote:Yes I know the neighborhood alignment reveal was fake.
Where was this mentioned? And if so...why have you been using it as a point against me?

Because at the time you made Post 534, RChad

not

retracted the claim.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #812 (isolation #125) » Wed Jul 26, 2017 8:43 am

VOTE: havingfitz

I'm fucking done posting for today but I'll be around near deadline if I need to move my vote.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #819 (isolation #126) » Wed Jul 26, 2017 8:54 am

VOTE: Scorpius

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #822 (isolation #127) » Wed Jul 26, 2017 8:59 am

Parting memo to everyone before N1: Don't target me.

TellTaleHeart · Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:19 pm

Leaving and won't be on for deadline.
VOTE: fuzzy
That's L-1.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #864 (isolation #129) » Fri Jul 28, 2017 3:24 pm

In post 860, Treblesome wrote:dragged into the sewer

That's awfully coincidental for it to not be Pennywise that did that.
Why are you assuming that's a JK?

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #867 (isolation #130) » Fri Jul 28, 2017 3:30 pm

In post 865, Treblesome wrote:I thought it might be a jailkeeper because I assumed that there had been 2 killing actions that targetted Lady and the Tramp because he had a 1-shot bulletproof.

Scum strongman could explain that?

VOTE: Scorpius

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #870 (isolation #131) » Fri Jul 28, 2017 3:33 pm

I was going to ask if anything happened in the neighborhood but from the flip I'm guessing that was all bullshit?

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #871 (isolation #132) » Fri Jul 28, 2017 3:34 pm

What is hopeful?

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #879 (isolation #133) » Fri Jul 28, 2017 4:00 pm

In post 878, Treblesome wrote:masonizer claim.

Speaking of this, I think scum are among the credulous crowd. I might've written Radical Rat off too soon.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #916 (isolation #134) » Fri Jul 28, 2017 5:21 pm

In post 900, Madvillain wrote:guys I swear I'm town but if this is like WWE and we're the only town imma cry

Fake

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #917 (isolation #135) » Fri Jul 28, 2017 5:27 pm

In post 914, Scorpious wrote:Says who? You?

And me.
And everyone who said Treble was town.

You asked for feedback, I said you should kill Madvillains, and you did jack shit with it.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #918 (isolation #136) » Fri Jul 28, 2017 5:30 pm

In post 902, Radical Rat wrote:I'm not actually sure about lynching Scorp.

While I agree it was a REALLY bad choice of shot, it does more or less confirm the role he claimed, which I know I certainly wouldn't have claimed if I were scum. Vig, maybe. But giving so much information that we can easily tell that HE is the one who killed his target? Seems a bit of an odd scumplay to me.

So what does he do?
Walk me through the theory of what exactly he does as scum with the role he claimed.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #935 (isolation #137) » Sun Jul 30, 2017 7:36 am

In post 919, Radical Rat wrote:And even then just claim one-shot pseudo strongman vig, leaving out the delay and the flavor.

:S
What's incriminating about the flavor or the delay?

I'm not letting Scorpius just walk away from this shot, especially given that he has yet to even attempt to justify it.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #936 (isolation #138) » Sun Jul 30, 2017 7:48 am

Antitown
Treblesome
Steel, Radical Rat, Carcalilly
CommKnight
Madvillain
havingfitz, Scorpious

CommKnight's the "null" region.
How about you, Radical? If Scorpius isn't scum then who?

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #945 (isolation #139) » Sun Jul 30, 2017 2:59 pm

In post 943, Radical Rat wrote:While not necessarily incriminating, us knowing about the delay makes it easier for the kill to be prevented.

According to his claim, there's no preventing the kill anyway.
Why would he care?

In post 943, Radical Rat wrote:And then since Treblesome was apparently told they were dragged into the sewer, it's pretty hard for a claimed Pennywise to get out of it, and I would assume messages like that being given to victims would be in the role PM.

OK, that points to him actually being Pennywise.
So what?

I suppose you

could

townread the timing of when he sprung the claim and I could maybe see that? You've still failed to give a compelling reason to townread Scorpius, the way he's played, the way he's played his claimed role, or the way he's dealt with the fallout of his shot.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #947 (isolation #140) » Sun Jul 30, 2017 4:13 pm

Has Fitz done anything even approaching scumhunting this game, CommKnight?

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #952 (isolation #141) » Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:16 am

In post 949, havingfitz wrote:Can't find scum in those posting more frequently? smh.....

TellTaleHeart, Treblesome, Madvillain, Carcalilly
These are the people still alive who have more posts than you, minus RR himself. Who is RR supposed to be scumreading out of that?
Your ISO so far certainly gives no indication.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #953 (isolation #142) » Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:25 am

In post 951, Scorpious wrote:I am still waiting to hear from the game about their reads on Treble,and if they agree that they are confirmed town,then why?

I'm townreading the RC head because him making an effort to reach out to me and try to work with me is a lot more indicative of his towngame than his scumgame which is markedly more aloof and characterized by "mill around and do my own thing."
I townread the Apricity head for Post 501 which homed in on the same thoughts I had that I hadn't articulated.

Your turn. You apparently scumread them to the point where you saw fit to shoot them. Why?

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #957 (isolation #143) » Mon Jul 31, 2017 5:44 am

Where did he say he was scumreading you for post count?
Also how does him scumreading Villains fit into your "he's not scumreading anyone active" complaint?

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #982 (isolation #144) » Tue Aug 01, 2017 4:37 pm

In post 974, Antitown wrote:
In post 936, TellTaleHeart wrote:Antitown
Treblesome
Steel, Radical Rat, Carcalilly
CommKnight
Madvillain
havingfitz, Scorpious

CommKnight's the "null" region.
How about you, Radical? If Scorpius isn't scum then who?
Why are you town-reading me, at the top of your list no less?

I reviewed you last night and concluded you're not mafia.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #983 (isolation #145) » Tue Aug 01, 2017 4:53 pm

In post 971, Radical Rat wrote:With that out of the way....

VOTE: Madvillains
Since the neighborhood never existed at all, I find myself heavily suspicious of him tacking himself on there. I get why RC made the hood claim, and I get why L&T faked masonizer to begin with, but I don't understand trying to insert yourself into such a claim.
My theory is that you knew the claim wasn't real (which makes sense seeing as L&T just straight claimed masonizer before RC changed it), and knew they wouldn't be able to call you out without first outing themselves as faking the neighborhood.

In post 972, CommKnight wrote:
In post 971, Radical Rat wrote:With that out of the way....

VOTE: Madvillains
Since the neighborhood never existed at all, I find myself heavily suspicious of him tacking himself on there. I get why RC made the hood claim, and I get why L&T faked masonizer to begin with, but I don't understand trying to insert yourself into such a claim.
My theory is that you knew the claim wasn't real (which makes sense seeing as L&T just straight claimed masonizer before RC changed it), and knew they wouldn't be able to call you out without first outing themselves as faking the neighborhood.
VOTE: Madvillains

This is what I was thinking as well but I wasn't sure if I missed something in the claim. I admit I haven't read the entire game, just skimmed through parts. So I didn't want to jump to conclusions.

But right now my theory is there is one more anti-town out there that isn't mafia. It sure isn't Scorpious. Why? because we have 2 N1 kills. One being from mafia and one being from SK. Those are explainable. So to assume we have THREE anti-town killers? That's just nuts. But whatever Madvillains is, the flip will show why he faked it.

Sorry, what's the theory?

TellTaleHeart · Tue Aug 01, 2017 5:56 pm

In post 984, Radical Rat wrote:Madvillains doesn't believe the neighborhood claim, because they do believe the normal masonizer claim.
They inject themselves into that claim as another neighbor, hoping to get a ride to D3, which they almost did.

So they would count on RC not dropping the ruse or everyone missing the fact Lady/Treble wouldn't flip "neighbor"?
That's a strained theory.

In post 985, CommKnight wrote:@TTH

So there's 13 players total in the beginning.

It's reasonable to assume a 2-3 person mafia team depending on powers they have.

Now we have 1 SK flip and a townie that could also become 3rd party in a LYLO situation.

Now let's just assume 3 mafiaso for now, take out the SK and potential 3rd party survivor and you'd be left with 8 townies. Well... we only need 7 townies for balance (because if you start the game with town outnumbered it becomes unfair for town as they are suppose to be the uninformed majority. So it stands to reason, a possible other 3rd party exists. Fuzzy wasn't a true third party, only potential 3rd party, so another may yet exist.

Now then, it doesn't make sense to have 3 mafia, 1 SK and 1 other 3rd party killer. That just doesn't make sense and for the SK and the other 3rd party it'd be unfair to be against 3 mafia and a town full of PRs. So that clears Scorpious of being 3rd party I believe and the night had a mafia kill so he isn't mafia.

At least, that's my theory.

On Madvillains... why would town try to hide in that fake claim? Only scum would try to do that, whether he's mafia or 3rd party.

Okie dokie....... I guess?
You sure are putting a lot of thought into third parties.

In post 989, Madvillain wrote:tth u gotta explain the antitown townread tho he hid behind that fuzzy push all d1

That's what I thought too.
But he's not mafia. Just don't worry about it for now.

TellTaleHeart · Tue Aug 01, 2017 5:57 pm

VOTE: havingfitz

Let's get the scum lynch we should've gotten on Day 1.

TellTaleHeart · Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:06 pm

What do you want me to do, RC?

TellTaleHeart · Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:15 pm

I'd say him and fitz are about on the same level of scuminess.

TellTaleHeart · Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:17 pm

In post 1007, CommKnight wrote:SK is dead, mafia made a kill.

How are either of these relevant to Scorpius' alignment?

TellTaleHeart · Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:47 pm

In post 1011, CommKnight wrote:he's a mafia with an ability to get an additional delayed kill for mafia

That. I'll go with that one. Really.

P.Edit: I don't know if it's your intention but you're coming off as really condescending.

TellTaleHeart · Tue Aug 01, 2017 7:00 pm

In post 1014, Treblesome wrote:Comm, what's your Fitz read?

TellTaleHeart · Wed Aug 02, 2017 3:15 am

No, it's more like having a decent amount of posts with no reads or pushes to show for it (besides a Day 1 "gut" scumread on fuzzy) with a dash of framing your own wagon as a lurker wagon when you're really not and it was never about lurking.
We left the neighborhood conversation at the end of Day 1, but you have

still

done nothing to scumhunt or push the reads you have, whatever they are.

TellTaleHeart · Wed Aug 02, 2017 9:49 am

Hammer away.

TellTaleHeart · Wed Aug 02, 2017 2:13 pm

In post 1037, havingfitz wrote:Odd night RB (Carcalilly N1) and even night vendor

This is not a town role.
Fitz's play is not town.

Fitz is not town.

TellTaleHeart · Wed Aug 02, 2017 2:18 pm

In post 1045, Steel wrote:claim I believe can be tested easily.

The role does not make him town.
In fact, a gated roleblocker and the throwaway alternate ability is actually more likely scum.

TellTaleHeart · Wed Aug 02, 2017 2:52 pm

In post 1047, Treblesome wrote:Full roleblocker on scum is obnoxious to compensate for

Exactly, and town roleblocker is a middling role to begin with so why does it need to be handicapped further with an odd-night modifier?
And why the hell would vonflare cram in a fruit vendor on top of that? Because the idea is that he has an innocuous ability to claim so he doesn't have to be accountable for the potentially anti-town one with the actual power.

TellTaleHeart · Wed Aug 02, 2017 6:05 pm

TellTaleHeart · Thu Aug 03, 2017 3:11 am

RC and I both joined the fuzzy wagon at the last second to avoid no lynch but nice try on the discredit.

TellTaleHeart · Thu Aug 03, 2017 3:16 am

In post 1066, havingfitz wrote:
In post 1065, havingfitz wrote:it'd be the role I would claim
the last role I would claim.

So at L-1, you'd claim even-night fruit vendor expecting that to save you?
Doubt it.

TellTaleHeart · Thu Aug 03, 2017 3:20 am

And we'd let a no lynch go through as town? :S

TellTaleHeart · Thu Aug 03, 2017 3:22 am

In post 1071, havingfitz wrote:Your comment sounds like you'd claim whatever you thought would save you....honesty aside.

My point is that you claimed something that actually had a snowball's chance in hell of saving you (RB) rather than something that had none (fruit vendor).

TellTaleHeart · Thu Aug 03, 2017 3:24 am

In post 1072, havingfitz wrote:
In post 1070, TellTaleHeart wrote:And we'd let a no lynch go through as town? :S
You don't get a pass on the outcome. Clue.

Your narrative is shit.

TellTaleHeart · Thu Aug 03, 2017 3:26 am

In post 1076, havingfitz wrote:
In post 1073, TellTaleHeart wrote:
In post 1071, havingfitz wrote:Your comment sounds like you'd claim whatever you thought would save you....honesty aside.
My point is that you claimed something that actually had a snowball's chance in hell of saving you (RB) rather than something that had none (fruit vendor).
I claimed both. It's my role. It is what it is. No embellishment provided. And it's town in this game.

Just so this isn't lost in the fog.
Fitz claimed he wouldn't claim RB as scum.
I'm saying bullshit, yes he would.

That's the point here.

TellTaleHeart · Thu Aug 03, 2017 3:29 am

No, your narrative is a last-second smear campaign.

TellTaleHeart · Thu Aug 03, 2017 3:31 am

In post 1065, havingfitz wrote:
In post 1061, Carcalilly wrote:And isn't RB most often scum?
It absolutely is. And I'm aware of that. If I was a scum rb it'd be the role I would claim.

This is what I'm talking about.
You explicitly made the claim you wouldn't claim RB as scum.
And I say bullshit. Of course you wouldn't just claim even-night fruit vendor at L-1, that's not going to do crap to stop your lynch. You'd claim something with a little power to discourage someone from hammering.

And

have

you leaned on that horn.

In post 1063, havingfitz wrote:To mislynch the town rb and save scum from nk'ing me is assinine.

TellTaleHeart · Thu Aug 03, 2017 3:32 am

Not really anything to be gained by arguing with scum now. I think I made my point.
You can have the last word.

TellTaleHeart · Thu Aug 03, 2017 3:38 am

As sure as I can be without role assistance.

TellTaleHeart · Sat Aug 05, 2017 9:41 am

VOTE: Carcalilly

TellTaleHeart · Sat Aug 05, 2017 9:53 am

I have a guilty.
You're welcome.

TellTaleHeart · Sat Aug 05, 2017 9:53 am

In post 1097, Scorpious wrote:VOTE: TTH

Holy shit...

TellTaleHeart · Sat Aug 05, 2017 10:20 am

I think it's more likely Comm didn't use his action than framer.

TellTaleHeart · Sat Aug 05, 2017 10:23 am

Well apparently Carcalilly is.

TellTaleHeart · Sat Aug 05, 2017 10:25 am

In post 1104, Treblesome wrote:No one in this game would be dumb enough to have missed your cop softing TTH.

...and they would know I was looking at Carca?
Unlikely.

TellTaleHeart · Sat Aug 05, 2017 10:27 am

I can't be roleblocked.

TellTaleHeart · Sat Aug 05, 2017 10:28 am

In post 1108, Treblesome wrote:
In post 1107, TellTaleHeart wrote:
In post 1104, Treblesome wrote:No one in this game would be dumb enough to have missed your cop softing TTH.
...and they would know I was looking at Carca?
Unlikely.
Why are you alive without being roleblocked if Comm didn't use his lightning rod if you are town?

Comm already softed something that would've blocked Scorpius' kill.
That's probably what got him killed.

TellTaleHeart · Sat Aug 05, 2017 10:30 am

In post 1110, Treblesome wrote:Why are you alive then?

Because they're bad at picking up on subtlety (not surprising given the Lady kill) and/or they thought the protective Comm was crumbing was more of an immediate threat.

Or they made a bad kill. Take your pick.

TellTaleHeart · Sat Aug 05, 2017 10:34 am

"Pop up"?
I thought you saw the crumbs?

TellTaleHeart · Sat Aug 05, 2017 10:36 am

In post 1115, Treblesome wrote:Does whatever mechanic makes you immune to roleblocks have the potential to render you immune to the lightning rod effect?

It's ascetic.
I don't know, do global actions target individuals to vonflare?

TellTaleHeart · Sat Aug 05, 2017 10:36 am

In post 1117, Treblesome wrote:For that matter: does your investigation come with a name attached?

No

TellTaleHeart · Sat Aug 05, 2017 10:38 am

In post 1118, Treblesome wrote:No shit I saw the crumbs but I have serious trouble believing that anyone else didn't.

You have serious trouble believing people in this game, who were taking your neighborhood claim seriously well after you reneged, missed how my Antitown read went?

I have zero trouble believing that.

TellTaleHeart · Sat Aug 05, 2017 10:50 am

Would that be accompanied by a no lynch

TellTaleHeart · Sat Aug 05, 2017 10:58 am

In post 1124, Treblesome wrote:Can you explain why you chose Antitown and Carcalilly over getting confirmation on Scorp scum, getting Madvillains who I was going to defend otherwise, or getting a result on Fitz?

Antitown investigation was essentially the result of the fuzzy flip. Antitown's tunnel-y push on fuzzy, that I never thought was particularly good to start with, made me think he was scum and I was expecting a guilty there.
Carcalilly was a gut townread I had early on, but she became more and more passive as the game wore on. When I was looking at the game after the Fitz flip I was trying to reset and Carca was pinging my gut pretty hard but I couldn't really put my finger on why.

TellTaleHeart · Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:01 am

In post 1126, Treblesome wrote:We can't no lynch because if it's 3 remaining scum then they just win overnight.

I forgot about Scorpius' scheduled kill for a moment.
I guess what you're suggesting is the correct play if scum is lynched today? I'll think about it.

TellTaleHeart · Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:46 am

In post 1130, Treblesome wrote:Would you feel bad about fooling me if you were scum?

Probably not?

TellTaleHeart · Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:58 am

In post 1143, Treblesome wrote:Also TTH's checks in this game have been really off.
I find it beyond really weird that she would get off the wagon of my top scumread, get my support on a mislynch then not take the time to help me get a guilty on the person that I said was scum.

Maybe I'm overestimating the extent to which she cares about my reads besides when it comes to mislynching Fitz but that feels wrong to me.

I followed my own intuition on my checks.
I feel like you think I shorted you somehow but I didn't intend that.

TellTaleHeart · Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:02 pm

You're ready to bet the game here and now on (I'm assuming Scorpius) being scum?
Is that what you're saying?

TellTaleHeart · Sat Aug 05, 2017 1:20 pm

In post 1148, TellTaleHeart wrote:You're ready to bet the game here and now on (I'm assuming Scorpius) being scum?
Is that what you're saying?

TellTaleHeart · Sat Aug 05, 2017 2:52 pm

In post 1154, Treblesome wrote:
In post 1150, TellTaleHeart wrote:
In post 1148, TellTaleHeart wrote:You're ready to bet the game here and now on (I'm assuming Scorpius) being scum?
Is that what you're saying?
Why am I the bad guy here all of a sudden when no one took any of my reads seriously the last 3 days?

I'm not saying you're a bad guy and I think you're inferring a tone when my intention is for it to be as straightforward as possible.

TellTaleHeart · Sat Aug 05, 2017 3:01 pm

In post 1156, Treblesome wrote:But I don't think it's fair that when I have a read I have to bet the game on it to be taken seriously when my reads are plenty consistent in general.

Fair or not, that might be the situation.
Are you pissed at me that I voted Fitz instead of sticking on Scorpius yesterday? I'm sorry, I just thought that was the right thing to do.
I'll tell you that it's not at all indicative of me not taking you seriously. If I really wasn't taking you seriously we wouldn't even be having this conversation because if I truly don't care what someone thinks I don't even bother acknowledging their existence.

TellTaleHeart · Sun Aug 06, 2017 5:01 am

In post 1167, Treblesome wrote:UNVOTE:

Madvillains, if you're town I have the game solved.

I want to be sure of that. Can you guys give me a time to be on and talk about the game?

Do you have a Radical Rat read you feel good about?

TellTaleHeart · Sun Aug 06, 2017 6:12 am

Waiting to hear back from Vonflare.

In post 1196, Madvillain wrote:We targetted Carca. I'm guessing Carca didn't get a message.

Maybe we were roleblocked, but yeah our target didnt get our action

How does your role work? Go ahead and fullclaim.

TellTaleHeart · Sun Aug 06, 2017 6:15 am

Global actions apparently still effect me, the ascetic only makes targeted actions fail.

TellTaleHeart · Sun Aug 06, 2017 6:21 am

Comm clearly wasn't mafia.
I just asked if von considers non-sane cop sanities and framers to be bastard, I'll get back with you.

TellTaleHeart · Sun Aug 06, 2017 6:23 am

In post 1192, Carcalilly wrote:mhm go ahead lynch me

Also, this isn't how town acts in MYLO.
I still don't think Comm used his ability.

TellTaleHeart · Sun Aug 06, 2017 6:24 am

UNVOTE:
Fine, I still think MadVillains needs to claim. Or at least need to explain what makes them think Comm used his action.

TellTaleHeart · Sun Aug 06, 2017 6:30 am

If Comm really did use his action, I would need to be insane or there would need to be some other role that reverses the sanity of my check for a night.
My flavor doesn't suggest insanity and having a framer role seems like bad design given I'm already gated by the negative utility modifier.

TellTaleHeart · Sun Aug 06, 2017 6:31 am

Von said varying sanities was bastard but he didn't answer if he thought mafia framers was bastard.

TellTaleHeart · Sun Aug 06, 2017 7:05 am

No one else has any insight into the lightning rod issue?