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Spiffeh, NoticeMeSenpai, MaxwellPuckett.In post 36, Spiffeh wrote:What are all your predictions for scum?!?!?!-
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It's Polar VORTEX! The Snow half doesn't remember ever playing with you.In post 38, MaxwellPuckett wrote:That's what I was going to say, damn it.
Theyre the only players here I know properly
Am I forgetting you from somewhere polar bear hydra
So... You were gonna say you're scum? Plus, the guy you voted for 0 seconds... Hmmm. Interesting.-
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So, I think the soft claim looks innocent personally. The tone of it looked genuine to me
I disliked the way Prism approached it. If Notice is innocent, I'd expect scum to jump on it. Having this kind of discussion would be very good for scum as it distracts from more relevant things
I've only played with both heads of the Imperium hydra before so I don't have meta on any of you(I might have played a game with Spiffeh before)
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Nothing in particular. My point is that scum likes to control the game by making the discussion all about irrelevant things(for example they tend to focus on things like scumslips or put fire in 1v1s beetween townies)
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Can you be more specific?In post 253, VNB National Plan wrote: Ahsoka Tano is terrible in the way I thought only Aristophanes could make me feel and I want to purge them from this earth.-
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Then why don't you directly address him about that?In post 257, Spiffeh wrote:Btw
I think it's pretty ridiculous that Nacho engages like everyone about everything under the sun yet never addresses me despite being what seems to be his biggest scum read-
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It came off more like a complaint than a question. I mean, you found a lead in nacho's scum read on you, but instead of asking "hey nacho, why exactly are you scum reading me?", you posted how you found it scummy that he didn't address you. You're upset at someone and instead of confronting them, you badmouth them.In post 264, Spiffeh wrote:What does that even mean?
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Why are her terrible weak posts scummier than Kmd's vote and reasons?In post 265, VNB National Plan wrote:
That would be difficult, they haven't done much more then make a terrible weak useless post and leave.In post 262, Polar Vortex wrote:
Can you be more specific?In post 253, VNB National Plan wrote: Ahsoka Tano is terrible in the way I thought only Aristophanes could make me feel and I want to purge them from this earth.-
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Thanks, I missed that.In post 268, Spiffeh wrote:In post 240, Spiffeh wrote:Hey Imperium and NoticeMeSenpai
Can you guys explain why I'm literally the lowest (and an assumed scum read) on your given readslists?
I can buy voting for me because I have done like nothing so far but actually scum reading what I have done doesn't make sense to me.-
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It wouldn't have been wrong, but your answer would tell me why it wasn't right? I was wondering if you were just upset at being voted for bad/no reason or if you were also using the lack of explanations to paint nacho as scum. Directly confronting them does show a townier mindset than complaining about them and calling them scum.In post 270, Spiffeh wrote:That's also an odd thing to take issue with?
I was explaining a reason for scumreading someone. Even if you were right about me not addressing Nacho directly, what's wrong with that? You can call it "bad mouthing" but that's literally how the game works???-
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What about those people?In post 285, VNB National Plan wrote:
That plays into my theory that bad scum are more likely to lurk because they don't have to forward any content.In post 267, Polar Vortex wrote: Why are her terrible weak posts scummier than Kmd's vote and reasons?
See: So many people being caught up in Ginngie self-voting despite it being so passe to vote yourself for reactions these days.-
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The Ginngie wagon/discussion about self vote was awkward and completly uninspiring. But commenting on it isn't that scummy IMO. And yes, pressuring lurkers is good but your arguement seems like it is centered around Ahsoka commenting on Ginngie, but this point kind of says it doesn't? Sorry, I don't really get your logic hereIn post 289, VNB National Plan wrote:I'm saying that I think Atsuki person is bad scum lurking, I don't understand what you're asking about making a connection to those other people.
Oh, wait, I see what's confusing. I mean that a bunch of people payed extra close attention to Ginngie because they're doing Scary Things whereas lurkers get ignored.
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Then the scum you played with suck lol. My first priority when I'm scum is controlling the game. It's like chess, you can do lots of small tricks but if you don't control the board you lose.In post 296, Heartless wrote:
I think your inability to answer Anti's question points to a fundamental weakness in your argument.In post 184, Polar Vortex wrote:Nothing in particular. My point is that scum likes to control the game by making the discussion all about irrelevant things(for example they tend to focus on things like scumslips or put fire in 1v1s beetween townies)
From personal experience, I think very few scum care about "controlling the game" and more about simply posting things that aren't going to get scumread. As such, the average scum tend to gravitate towards safe, conservative positions. My prediction here is that, regardless of what Notice is, scum probably townread Notice if they weighed in at all. I don't think the theory that Prism is rapacious scum after a Notice mislynch really stands up to a realistic assessment of what Prism thought he could achieve.
Now, could you be a dear and remind me why you're voting Spiffeh? I'm following the discussion and it feels you're just trying to keep pace to stay on a semantics treadmill.
And the thing about scum being conservative is also bullshit. Bad scum are conservative, good scum isn't-
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Dunno why the other head voted him, but the wagon seems comfy
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You still haven't explained what's the deal with you and the people who focused on the Gingie self vote. Why did you mention that? You pointed fingers in a vague direction for a reason I still don't understand and I want to know who you were pointing at and why.In post 295, VNB National Plan wrote: I've already told you my reasoning. Asking the same question three different ways isn't going to get you a different answer. But I also think its easier for you to question me about what I think, because I'll provide answers, then it is for you to look into those few marshmellows of posts over there and find anything you could ask about.
RVS vote. Not really into it, but it became a nice little wagon, we didn't want to break it.In post 296, Heartless wrote: Now, could you be a dear and remind me why you're voting Spiffeh? I'm following the discussion and it feels you're just trying to keep pace to stay on a semantics treadmill.-
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I mean in comparison, it is townier than the negative approach I thought he did at first. In itself it's just ok/not scummy.In post 393, Imperium wrote:
I don't think the word you're looking for here is "townier", just that there's a productive approach and a not so productive approach here.In post 272, Polar Vortex wrote:Directly confronting them does show a townier mindset than complaining about them and calling them scum.-
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I'm gonna start with Spiffeh, that's a read we both agreed on actually. We don't really get the wagon on him, I mean it was fine to get the game going, but I really don't see how people like Senpai can feel so strongly about him being scum.
I like Camn, Prism, Maxwell and Heartless.
I don't like Kmd and VNB.
I'm not sure how I feel about Ahoska yet.
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Yes. Can't you tell us apart?In post 663, Imperium wrote:HEY POLAR VORTEX - Has snowstorm been around?
It's nice in the way that wagons are nice. It creates pressure, helps us evaluate Spiffeh and other players involved, etc.In post 672, Kmd4390 wrote:
What is nice about the wagon? And what is your read on Spiff?Polar wrote:RVS vote. Not really into it, but it became a nice little wagon, we didn't want to break it.
"Not really into it." pretty much sums up our read on him. I wouldn't call it a town read, but we're not scum reading him.
It's been a long time since I played with Mastina, but having pretty strong feelings that aren't always well justified fits what I remember of her play; her town play, more specifically.In post 683, VNB National Plan wrote:I don't remember playing with mastina before. Is this normal? By 'this' I mean the uhhh, dramatic arguments that don't include uhhhh, facts of any kind.
Caryatid's #696 show's exactly how I feel about Ginngie, which is to say I don't know how I feel about her.
And since I'm mentioning her, I kinda like Caryatid overall. I don't recall anything in specific that made me think "this player is town", but she made a good first impression on me. Also, scum don't paint.-
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It does make some sense, scum will always be aware when confronted with posting names. "Do I post only town names? Do I sneak in a partner?...". So I agree with whoever liked that Spiffeh started that. It is something I think would be less likely to come from scum.In post 700, Imperium wrote:So I have a friend at another site who has this belief in this 1 in 3 thing, in which scum when positing a group of three names always lists one of their partners. I don't necessarily believe in the 1 in 3 thing, but it will be interesting to see if any of the people who listed three people who might be scum at the beginning will be scum.
does that make sense?
Just an end game thought really.
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Well, it's easy,In post 779, Imperium wrote:No polar I don't thi I can tell you guys apart
Which is probably funny since you're both the people I altguess wrong all the time when home.PetyrBear signs his posts.-
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I like VNB National Plan quite a lot. She is a bit too focused on Ahsoka which is a bit weird since she is lynch bait, but I see what she sees there as suspicious since it is lynchbait. Still, Ahsoka hasn't posted enough to get the type of strong opinion she got. Can you elaborate on how strong that particular read is? Also, why is asking stupid questions a sign of being scum? However, I liked her opinion of my slot. Thinking somebody is town for nitpicking you is something I see a lot more in town than in scum.-
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I'm a bit conflicted on Imperium. Tammy is great and looks really innocent(and I don't think I've seen her drunkpost in a game in a couple of years), but Nacho seemed a bit off. I hated the meta in this game but it seems like I'll do so now. He seemed a bit like how he was in my last game where early on he focused on somebody in a weird way(Snowstorm that game, Spiffeh in this one). Snowstorm sees it a bit differently so I'm not going to push on that too much. Plus, even if I had a mild scum read of the slot(which I don't since it's null), I wouldn't want to lynch a slot which will probably be an anchor for me this game in a sea of meta
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As the game goes on I have a harder time seeing Spiffeh as scum. His wagon formed out of nothing on RVS and it is still our current largest wagon. That just makes no sense. I feel like it's just a snowball of bad wagon leads to bad reactions, bad reactions lead to "serious" arguments, which lead to more reaction, more arguing and so on.
I don't think if he was scum he'd still be the larges wagon and pretty much the only player being scrutinized, when there are people like Ashoka, Kmd, VNB, or even us, people with few posts, bad posts, easy targets for scum. The only thing that could explain scum not coming after them is that scum are fine with the current state of the game. Because if they weren't (if Spiffeh was scum), no way he'd be the top wagon, or the only one at least.
It worries me when I look at that wagon though, because I had a good first impression on Cam, I like Caryatid and Gingie and Senpai weren't priorities to me, but maybe they should be, because I still don't know what to make of Gingie and Senpai is still riding on a vote for "strong feelings" and hasn't really been posting lately.-
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I don't pay much attention to meta posts. On a first glance, I guess you're right, but I didn't play that game, I have no context, I don't know Camn, I don't know you... I can't use that.In post 841, Spiffeh wrote:Well luckily for you camn has been scumclaiming with every subsequent post so you don't have to feel good about her anymore!
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Because they'd all have to be scum with Spiffeh. That would be a pretty large scum team...In post 846, Heartless wrote:
......or that some of those ppl you just listed ARE scum themselves.....?In post 840, Polar Vortex wrote:I don't think if he was scum he'd still be the larges wagon and pretty much the only player being scrutinized, when there are people like Ashoka, Kmd, VNB, or even us, people with few posts, bad posts, easy targets for scum. The only thing that could explain scum not coming after them is that scum are fine with the current state of the game.
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There's no reason to suspect him so having so many people doing it is forcedIn post 894, camn wrote:Forced how?
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Citation neededIn post 897, Heartless wrote:
but.... you just said you weren't scumreading anyone from the wagon....In post 895, Polar Vortex wrote:
There's no reason to suspect him so having so many people doing it is forcedIn post 894, camn wrote:Forced how?
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Everything lol. It makes zero sense for scum him to go after Imperium like he did. His defense also looks extremly town. Sorry for not adhering to your circlejerk thoughIn post 898, Heartless wrote:tell me, what exactly are you townreading from spiffeh?-
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Very town but slightly dumbIn post 901, Ginngie wrote:Yo Polar, what do you make of Spiff literally attacking and scumreading his entire wagon and never putting any focus anywhere else-
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Because I've never seen scum do that, but I've seen town do that a lot.In post 903, Ginngie wrote:porque-
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You can't follow that train of thought? Really? I can understand not agreeing with it but not understanding it is tooIn post 905, Ginngie wrote:I don't follow that at all.[redacted]to exist, surely?
~ Please try to avoid ablism. I'm not going to be making this comment on every post because that would be beyond annoying for you guys but "dumb" and "lame" are always going to be redacted if I catch them; there's nothing bad about being unable to speak or unable to walk in some way so using terms that describe those conditions to characterize something as bad is offensive in the same way that using "gay" as "bad" is offensive. Thanks! <3 ~Last edited by nancy on Mon Aug 14, 2017 1:51 pm, edited 1 time in total.-
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A lot more often than scum do. I've never played with this Katsuki guy but he seeks like a weakass scum player. What gives you the impression Spiffeh is doing the same? Is he known to do that?In post 907, camn wrote:BUT, to be fair...plenty of Townies ad-hom thier wagons to death, too.-
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So instead of that just assume everything weird is scum and policy lynch everything? SO SMARTIn post 911, Ginngie wrote:i cry inside anytime someone says "scum wouldn't do this," because I used to be that person.
Scum wouldn't try to get the claimed cop D1 lynched.
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Where did I say that town always attack their wagon? That's ridiculousIn post 919, VNB National Plan wrote:Polar: Don't agree that town always attacks their wagon. We think Spiffeh is frustrated with the gamestate in general, we still don't think Spiffeh's scum. Also, saying that scum voting for Spiffeh would have to be scum with Spiffeh doesn't make sense (840 is very confusing.) We feel that his progression of anger towards his wagon developed naturally and makes sense from his pov even if we don't agree with the anger. (So basically we agree with you that he's town but not because town always does that)
camn: stop flirting with the mod what is this
We've also come to the conclusion we don't have much to say because we're not scumreading the current posters
currently scumreading maxwell, ahsoka, possibly mastina, possibly kmd
Bella is very impressed she worked out what the lines in our drawing and is cautiously townreading cary because of it (my posts are not scummy damnit)
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Both heads have different scumreads at the moment. We're working on them and will give reads together soonish. My better head has town reads on all of the Spiffeh wagon. I currently don't have reads on any of then, but the way the wagon is going I'm sure there should be at least one scum there. Probably not Ginngie since my interaction with her earlier on gave me a good impressionIn post 923, Spiffeh wrote:Polar Vortex do you have any scum reads at the moment?
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Agree on that. Ahsoka would do exactly did if she had a partner push you hardIn post 926, Spiffeh wrote:
I really don't like that in the face of being very behind, this is the stuff Ahsoka chooses to respond to.In post 698, Ahsoka Tano wrote:As much as I agree, I also disagree. Hydras are a joining of personalities, but dissonance happens. Hydras are more a dual personality extension tha an alt. You have to work things out else there will bw no agreement. And with some hydras, like Heartless, it is obvious who is in the hydra and who is talking. With new or unknown hydras it is definitely better to have heads in the sig.
Why are we on about this though when it is completely NAI?
Oh, also, I know you, Heartless. Is this not as weird as Caryatid knowing you?
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Dumb has more definitions. One of them is a synonim to stupid. I think it was pretty clear from context that there was no offense against people who are unable to speak. And it is different than using "gay" as "bad" since the dictionary definition of gay does not include that meaningIn post 939, nancy wrote:
Please refer to the rules:In post 937, Ginngie wrote:yo, nancy, dumb isn't a word you redact. Don't do that.In post 908, Polar Vortex wrote:~ Please try to avoid ableism. I'm not going to be making this comment on every post because that would be beyond annoying for you guys but "dumb" and "lame" are always going to be redacted if I catch them; there's nothing bad about being unable to speak or unable to walk in some way so using terms that describe those conditions to characterize something as bad is offensive in the same way that using "gay" as "bad" is offensive. Thanks! <3 ~
~ I don't really want to write an essay about ableism here because it's not helpful at all to the game but I think that talking about dictionary definitions isn't helpful here. Dumb is synonymous to stupid in current usage because ableism is entrenched in our society and I would prefer not to have it in my game. I understand that you personally aren't insinuating that people who can't speak are less intelligent or boring or bad or whatever when you use the word dumb but the origins of the usage are that and being aware of the words we use is important because they're the same words that are used to hurt people in other contexts and that hurt carries outside of that context. ~Last edited by nancy on Mon Aug 14, 2017 4:27 pm, edited 1 time in total.-
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Focusing the people on his wagon is natural. Scum reading the entire wagon, not so much, but I can understand why he'd do it. I do hope he sorts those reads better as time passes, because they can't possibly all be scum. pedit: oh look, #920 happened.In post 901, Ginngie wrote:Yo Polar, what do you make of Spiff literally attacking and scumreading his entire wagon and never putting any focus anywhere else
This is a... mafia cultural difference. We mostly play with alts, so our tells are more generalized (we can't use individual tells if we don't know who the individuals playing with us are), it also explains our aversion to meta.In post 917, Ginngie wrote:Here's the difference.
My shit tells are great because they're unique to each player and every scenario and they rarely let me down.
You're is a generalization that someone could read off a wiki-
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I think you're mixing it up with this post.In post 919, VNB National Plan wrote:Polar: Don't agree that town always attacks their wagon. We think Spiffeh is frustrated with the gamestate in general, we still don't think Spiffeh's scum.Also, saying that scum voting for Spiffeh would have to be scum with Spiffehdoesn't make sense (840 is very confusing.) We feel that his progression of anger towards his wagon developed naturally and makes sense from his pov even if we don't agree with the anger. (So basically we agree with you that he's town but not because town always does that)
Heartless, implies that maybe the people I mentioned as other easy targets for scum (Ashoka, Kmd, you...) could be scum, which would explain why the focus was staying on Spiffeh and not going their way. And I say, that could only be true if they were all scum, because if any one of them is town, there's no reason for scum to let the focus stay on Spiffeh instead of forcing it onto a town player. It really wouldn't have to be an easy target, scum could target any town player to stir attentions away from Spiffeh. If they are doing it, they're not trying hard enough.In post 850, Polar Vortex wrote:
Because they'd all have to be scum with Spiffeh. That would be a pretty large scum team...In post 846, Heartless wrote:
......or that some of those ppl you just listed ARE scum themselves.....?In post 840, Polar Vortex wrote:I don't think if he was scum he'd still be the larges wagon and pretty much the only player being scrutinized, when there are people like Ashoka, Kmd, VNB, or even us, people with few posts, bad posts, easy targets for scum. The only thing that could explain scum not coming after them is that scum are fine with the current state of the game.
why didn't that immediately occur to you?
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1/3. Last line sounds extremly fake btw so you've got to try harderIn post 1077, Ahsoka Tano wrote:
Okay, well how about we don't count this one!In post 1076, Polar Vortex wrote:Yo Ahsoka, you have 3 posts to convince me not to lynch you. Go go go
Yo Tammy, will you interact with my slot? You've said lots of vague things about us, but I can't really get a good read on you yet.
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Don't really care that it's my slot. If it was another slot, it would be as stupidIn post 1125, camn wrote:And settle down- its not like I am raging for your lynch.
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Regfan would be awsome as fuck. Relatively easy to read, but an excellent playerIn post 1184, Caryatid wrote:
That makes sense that it would be a circumstantial/game state read, especially since Max was a counterwagon to Spiffeh. I'm hoping the replacement will help. Looks like we'll either get Leon, who should be legible, Cheetory, who is the awesome but I doubt I can read him, and Regfan, who I haven't played with.)In post 1180, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:
It's a combination of factors, actually.In post 1178, Caryatid wrote:Can you talk about your Maxwell read at all? Is it more townreading Max or more confidence in your scumreads elsewhere or something else?
Maxwell is a nulltownread, in that there's not really much to go off of but I don't actually get a feeling that Maxwell's scum. Gut, essentially, tells me that Maxwell just isn't scum.
This is indeed bolstered by my confidence in myactualscumreads. I have three rather solid ones I have great confidence in (even if I suck at explaining them). One of them, Heartless, was on the wagon and not likely in a way which would be a bus. Which brings me to another part. When you wagon on players, sometimes you just get a ~feeling~ about the person you're wagoning, off of the circumstances behind the wagon. The circumstances behind the wagon on MaxwellPuckett suck. They don't feel towndriven at all; they don't feel like a lynch at scum at all. (The opposite of Spiffeh, which was 100% towndriven and felt like a lynch on scum.)
I realize there's nothing really tangible to talk about, but then that's not all too surprising when you've got a slot who has not contributed much, and yet would do so regardless of alignment. (Especially given that replace-out request.)-
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This head is suspicious of Ahsoka, the other one less so. I gave her 3 posts since she was close to lynchIn post 1355, Spiffeh wrote:So I was scum leaning Polar Vortex earlier and still do. There were a few posts that rubbed me the wrong way on a gut level that I couldn't really explain so I let it go for a little bit.
I asked them if they had any scum reads at one point because they seemed to be commenting about a lot of stuff without really going after anyone in particular, which isn't really all that bad on its own.
They responded saying that both heads had different scum reads and would post them together soon (which never happened btw).
Later, when people seem to be condensing on Ahsoka Tano, we get this:
There was some precedent here because they had expressed agreement with me about Ahsoka trying to fly under the radar while I buried myself, but it's more the way the read was presented than the read itself. For a slot who's been playing their scum reads so close to the vest I find it kind of out of character for them to approach Ahsoka in this manner.In post 1076, Polar Vortex wrote:Yo Ahsoka, you have 3 posts to convince me not to lynch you. Go go go
Yo Tammy, will you interact with my slot? You've said lots of vague things about us, but I can't really get a good read on you yet.
~Bearbert
I also think the "you have 3 posts to convince me" thing is a way to throw in support for a wagon without really committing to it, but this is something I'll probably explore depending on Ahsoka's flip.
Honestly writing this out I've become less convinced but it's still ~weird~ and "~weird~" is scummier than like 90% of the playerlist at the moment so I think this is worth questioning.-
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Game starts now.
I have a lot of catch up and reading to do, but I'm feeling good after this flip. I had a feeling Ashoka was town, but it was more based on other people's posts than her own and I couldn't really find anything to take that read out of limbo. The confirmation that she's town strengthens some of my early suspicions, which I'll want to get to later.-
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One clearly more so than the other...In post 1119, Polar Vortex wrote: Both heads are abrasive though
Oh, hi?
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