Mini 1942 - Switchboard 2 [Game Over]

[Realeo]

My switch number is higher than RadRat. Willing to reveal it in full later.

[Realeo]

Is this just me or is that mafia has no kill? I control-F the first page and I can't find the word kill

[Realeo]

@Mod

When a player flips, do we get to know their priority number?

If yes, then we can wait until the first PR claim to withhold it. Only after a PR Claim, Switch Analyst would be useful.

[Realeo]

I'm still curious about the scum night kill, but Realeo, what prompted you to look for that?

I skimmed the role PM but it didn't really stick to my head, so I gave it a closer look.

[Realeo]

My switch number is higher than RadRat. Willing to reveal it in full later.

This is a really odd middle ground to take. Why do you think this semi-claim is the best course of action right now, instead of just claiming your priority number or refusing?

I want to show "I'm in for the plan," but obviously I have to show sign of commitment right?

However, if the consensus for the plan is no, then I just wasted my info for nothing, so it's like the best trade-off.

[Realeo]

Oh yeah. Good question. Which one is excecuted first, player with low number or high number?

[Realeo]

Ah fuck.

[Realeo]

I like how you make one post for fos and one post for vote when the quote is from the same post.

[Realeo]

If we are talking about pr or no pr instead of specific role claim, I think it is good. Scumhunting 3 in7 is better than 3 in 13.

I understand Chickadee concern basically we are subtituting 6 power roles for 6 Innocent Child.

Well yes, we are making our IC vulnurable, but so does the mafia.

[Realeo]

Statistically speaking mafia are not going to claim power role as 1 for 1 favors town.

[Realeo]

Basically we are making.this game from open 10 v 3 into mountanius 4 v 3 with 3 mislynch instead of 1.

[Realeo]

Jesus Christ, NO YOU FOOLS

Give me ONE good reason for giving scum a list of PRs to kill. ONE.

We give them a list of PR so they give us a list of 6 confirmed town.

[Realeo]

If it is another incentive, we know who to flick off and we knoe who to flick on.

[Realeo]

CC is kamikaze for scum. Sinple hard claim will be 1 for 1 trade. We can afford to lose a member, it is more costlier for them.

[Realeo]

So let us work the worst case scenario.

7 VT (4 town/ 3 mafia) vs 6 PR.

If we fucked up once, we lose a VT and a PR.

6 VT vs 5 PR

Fucked up one another, we lose a VT and a PR.

5 VT vs 4 PR

Fucked up another, we lose a VT and a PR.

4 VT vs 3 PR.

Fucked up another, we loses the game.

Whatever happen, the game is over if we make 4 mislynches.

So here's the question. Which one is more likely to make 4 mislynches? Scumhuntin' in 7 people pool or Scumhuntin' in 13 people pool?

[Realeo]

So I just ran some math and I realized that two mafia CC-ing is actually the optimal move for mafia.

If two mafia CC-ing, we are scumhutin' in 9 people pool (4 confirmed town)

It's not exactly that lucrative so I would back down a little bit from proposing this offer, but I still think it's good.

[Realeo]

I dont know how to feel qbout Chickadee

[Realeo]

Well great mind think alike.

Chickadee triggered me because it seems inconsistent.

At one point, she is risk averse.

At another point, she scold me for screwing my own plan.

But why would a risk averse person be angry for a scrapped risky plan? A risk averse person should be glad for a scrapped risky plan.

[Realeo]

Thia one Chick

So I just ran some math and I realized that two mafia CC-ing is actually the optimal move for mafia.

If two mafia CC-ing, we are scumhutin' in 9 people pool (4 confirmed town)

It's not exactly that lucrative so I would back down a little bit from proposing this offer, but I still think it's good.

Thank you.

Thank you for giving scum an idea.

Rule 1, don't help scum. Let them figure out their own best strategy.

[Realeo]

I kinda townlean FF bur dunno if he deserves it.

[Realeo]

But are not you supposed to be glad at that point that the risky plan dies as a risk averse?

Like, for a lady who claim that setup speccing is bad, any attempt to end setup speccing should be good and responded by "Thank God Realeo that you ended this idiot talk." instead of scolding me.

[Realeo]

Hi Nos!

[Realeo]

I wonder how long does moz townread would stays that way.

[Realeo]

The discussuon is already tabled my darling

[Realeo]

Hmm. Chickadee reminds me of my scum play, but my scum play is unique to me so it's kinda NAI but alarming.

I'm not sure why either fitz or RadicalRat is townread.

I don't think mozamis quik town read makes senses because I would play along regardless of alignment, but I got an abstract town feeling from mozamis.

[Realeo]

SOMEONE RING THE OMGUS BELL!

On a serious note, why?

[Realeo]

Ya Rlly.

Why a weird progression is a scummy thing?

[Realeo]

Hmm. I don't know how I feel about Inno.

I felt Aubrey is my first bet as town and only Key is a candidate that I am considering to add as my townread.

[Realeo]

Oh. mjollnir can also go to my town candidate.

[Realeo]

Yeay! I get your attention! Took you so long.

The first thing that catches my attention is that they spend small time on setup spec so I see that either "Mafia scared that they are about to be fucked up" or "Town making conscious act forwarding the discussion"

For both case, I find it the latter.

key: The vote hopping challenges me to track his read. key seems like a reactive play and I find she demonstrated those "I'm that player who is triggered" seems consistently. I find that a good thing.

Mjollnir: I find his questioning seems like a good sign of faith. I don't necessarily think it's a tell, but we have low benchmark at the beginning of D1.

[Realeo]

I am Innocent feels town to me. He asks good questions.

Do you think Mjolinir's question feel town for you?

[Realeo]

[Realeo]

Nos is solis human.

Keychain post above is a bit meh but I consider him still a viable candidate.

[Realeo]

@mo enlight me on scum!Iai plZ

[Realeo]

@mo enlight me on scum!Iai plZ

i'm not really sure abotu IAI. But he's certainly strong town.
his only contribution so far has been to tunnel chick, and i knwo he's a better player than that.
your reads?

I dont see anything town indicative from his questioning but there is nothing wrong yet.

I dont know why I get town vibes from mjo questioning but not from IaI. Maybe because questions that is asked by mjo is not "obvious" question so I felt mjo is more than busy work.

[Realeo]

NO.

Trust me setup spec make me kinky but we need to move on about pr claim.

[Realeo]

To be clear, I am in favor of setup spec, but I believe in a deadline. This mindset is why I quickly killed my own idea bcs a prolonged setup spec will be toxic.

[Realeo]

VOTE: Allomancer

[Realeo]

I'm not sure whether should I vote moz instead of Allo. I know I'm skipping Nos today.

[Realeo]

@Raya

Do you agree with me that there is a maximum of 1 scum in {Chickadee,Nosferatue,Moz,Mjoll}?

[Realeo]

@Keychain

I kinda don't really have scumlean, so my lynch is more to who I don't townread the least.

moz gave me a pause. I find Chick may raise a good concern about moz read progression, but others issue seem nice. It seems rational for mos to relegate me from 'town' to 'prob town'. His IaI read seems fine.

Allomancer is a little bit special. I literally null him, but the reason why he get my love is

1. I can still can make stretched reason for why <INSERT NAME HERE> is town. I can't really stretch a reason why Allo is town.
2. There are more than 1 person that I can't stretch a reason, but I can give everyone but allo the benefit of activity doubt.

My heart like want to vote moz, but it's not like moz need pressure to talk.

[Realeo]

My lynch pool is Chickadee's lynch pool but replace mjol with inno and add moz.

[Realeo]

If Allomancer expressed himself why FF is scum, I'm a happy guy.

[Realeo]

But are not you supposed to be glad at that point that the risky plan dies as a risk averse?

Like, for a lady who claim that setup speccing is bad, any attempt to end setup speccing should be good and responded by "Thank God Realeo that you ended this idiot talk." instead of scolding me.

FUCKIN SLAY

Why no vote for chickadee after seeing this?

I concluded that Chickadee is an explosive player so it's not exactly an AI thing. It should be self-evident about Chickadee is an explosive player.

[Realeo]

I give up on reading Keychain.

Skipping Flubber.

Prefer

VOTE: Fitz

[Realeo]

Although, an explanation why Flubber is scum would help. My current impression is that people are bothered by Flubber so they just vote Flubber for bothering them, so my mind like "Eh?"

[Realeo]

Will consider mozamis when I get proper internet

[Realeo]

VOTE: moz

[Realeo]

I am the L-1

[Realeo]

VOTE: moz

scum vote?

Bitch plz. I expressed my desire to lunch you like...200 posts ago?

[Realeo]

I give up on reading Keychain.

?

I prefer to keep my reasoning later. I still need to adapt to you.

[Realeo]

Isn't Alo BP? Am I missing something?

[Realeo]

BTW, I flicked someone off.

[Realeo]

I'm going to lurk until LuV v Aubrey is over. I can use counter balance for my townread @ Aubrey.

[Realeo]

Does nobody has any question for me? Even I can make some reasoning to fos my self that may require clarification.

[Realeo]

[*]Realeo: How do you currently feel about Lil Uzi?

That is not a question that I am expecting.

He is being rational currently.

[Realeo]

Shouldn't you be more concerned trying to determine other peoples slots, and just deal with clarifying yourself when the times comes naturally instead of hasting up that process?

I'm more concerned that no one tries to sort my slot. Am I not a threat for mafia? Am I potential back-up mislynch? Do people genuinely have no issue with me?

You know something is wrong, that no one has an issue of you in a game of mafia.

There is a lot of sketchy things from me just from my iso alone

The easiest thing is--no one asked my why I townread Aubrey.

I felt Aubrey is my first bet as town and only Key is a candidate that I am considering to add as my townread.

No explanation. That is fucking scummy especially this coming from meticulous player.

But no one picked that up.

I already noticed that I am being ignored.

Yeay! I get your attention! Took you so long.

But I don't know why I am being ignored. I am an active poster, involved in the setup spec, accountable for the wagon.

Like, I tried to get another player's attention in D2.

BTW, I flicked someone off.

I'm going to lurk until LuV v Aubrey is over. I can use counter balance for my townread @ Aubrey.

Does nobody has any question for me? Even I can make some reasoning to fos my self that may require clarification.

I have to draw target on my back to actually get player's attention.

[Realeo]

The question I have can be for both you and Mjoll, why did you choose to flick someone off rather than on last night?

I flick off my scumread.

[Realeo]

What's the dealeo there, realeo?

Do you townread me?

[Realeo]

I will respond Keychain when I have proper internet.

[Realeo]

*Reads Keychain's question properly*

*Raises eyebrow*

Dude. You're not even trying to fake it

[Realeo]

VOTE: aubrey

Is it the 824 or the LUV that triggers the vote?

[Realeo]

Why someone is more interested at the way I present my read when there is a more important question: why is my read like that?

[Realeo]

To answer my own question, it was a convulted gut. I do not townread his setup spec, but I smellled genuininrss from his game solving. I considered the possibility that it is just scum making up shit, but some feather ruffing I see seems unnecessary for scum.

[Realeo]

And this is why I have a hard time reading Keychain. Keychain throws question, but sometimes I do not understand the goal of his question.

[Realeo]

Ruffing feathers means making unnecessary conflict or not afraid to get their hand bloody. This is an ESL sentence so please be lax with the definition I think 175 demonstrates it the most.

216 was the first gamesolving post that make me consider "Hmm.. Maybe Aubrey is town?" but it's like a remnant so I kinda forget why. When I see the post again, I can still remember the townish remnant, but does not show the reasoning.

[Realeo]

HAVINGFITZ! WHERE ARE YOU? WE MISS YOU. IT HAS BEEN 4 DAYS <3

[Realeo]

Allomancer. Where are you. We miss you <3

[Realeo]

I feel pretty good about IaI, Nos, and Realeo

IaI? How?

[Realeo]

[quote="In post 884, Aubrey"]

Uzi
I Am Innocent

havingfitz

mozamis

Mjollnir

Nosferatu

Allomancer

Realeo

Radical Rat

Flubbernugget

Chickadee

Aubrey

Keychain

Is this just me or you're just townreading everybody who townread you?

[Realeo]

Speaking of flicking off or on issue, I think flicking on is a blunder move assuming that you didn't flick on Allo. I think flicking off is the optimal move when you can flick off scum.

[Realeo]

I'm somewhat confident that Flubber is town.

[Realeo]

Brain fart then.

[Realeo]

Would you townread me, Allomancer?

[Realeo]

I feel pretty good about IaI, Nos, and Realeo

IaI? How?

What's suspicious about IaI?

It's more to "I can't really find any alibi to make IaI town so I kinda default to put it in my scum pile"?

[Realeo]

907 is the kind of question that I have been looking for. Let me bisect it one by one.

TL:DR; I am capable of changing my mind.

In hindsight 181 reads weird to me, it's like he's looking for confirmation that people are going to agree with his viewpoints that Chick looks scummy before he goes and attacks her. Why did you feel the need to just mention you didn't know how to feel about her without actually saying why?

You are actually correct. I'm looking to attack her (but I think confront her is the right word?)

My issue is that I had one town game play with Chick and I don't remember Chick is very frontal with attacking person like in this game. I was in the between "Is Chick is an explosive lady or is Chick is Madam. Scum who like to Misrep."

I'm gauging for attention because I need some sanity testing. I don't remember reading any response, so I just proceed.

So I tried to attack her, she became passive aggressive, I attacked her again, then she ignored it. It kinda become obvious that she is just being a loud town.

I think I am being consistent with my stand here.

But are not you supposed to be glad at that point that the risky plan dies as a risk averse?

Like, for a lady who claim that setup speccing is bad, any attempt to end setup speccing should be good and responded by "Thank God Realeo that you ended this idiot talk." instead of scolding me.

FUCKIN SLAY

Why no vote for chickadee after seeing this?

I concluded that Chickadee is an explosive player so it's not exactly an AI thing. It should be self-evident about Chickadee is an explosive player.

In 461 you expressed that there was likely only one scum in Moz, Chick, Nos and myself, how do you feel about this now?

Oh. I don't really mean it.

I noticed that Raya was not active. I had one scum game with Raya and he is the kind of player who is capable of doing towny things as both alignment. Now, here is the thing--I managed to smell scum Raya but Raya is so good that I can't pinned him down into a persuasive argument.

Previously on Open 692....

Does this imply that you townread Raya?

I see myself in Raya and I know my scummy self and I see my scummy self in Raya.

So it's a scum lean, but since it's unjustified scum lean, I has no option but to town lean him.

So I know that Raya is not the type of the guy that you can simply townread by asking question Keychain's style.

So, I need to throw a curve ball.

I was hoping that those 4 players combination is so ubiquitous, Raya would be "Wait. What?"

To be frank, I kinda forget why I pick those 4 players.

I've already demonstrated those reasons you gave were contradictory

Mafia is not linear like politic where I can't change my mind. Sorry, this won't fly.

And why do/did you suspect Fitz?

The context of the vote was Allo claimed BP and the deadline is tight. The available wagon was Nos and Flubb and I find those wagon shitty?

I jumped into Fitz because I don't really like 369 and 452. It does not seem committal? I was modding scum!Fitz and I get the impression that Fitz try to keep his hand clean? I will try to rephrase this later.

[Realeo]

To be frank, I kinda forget why I pick those 4 players.

I recalled it.

I remember that those 4 players are the type of players who has a lot of vibration (is vibration the word right choice? I don't know ._.) so it's the type of one that it's kinda hard to null.

The idea was that if Raya agrees that there is 1 scum in those 4 slots, I'm trying to make him to commit that there are 2 scums in the less impressive player. When I make him commit, I would have the upper hand to quiz him. If Raya disagree, I would be surprised and I don't think I have planned what to do next.

It was something like bait-and-switch.

[Realeo]

Aubrey, isnt the conclusion of most your "case" is X is being wrong instead of X being scum?

[Realeo]

@Keychain

I would admit thay I dont have a perfect track record with my trap. Flubber has a samplr of it.

[Realeo]

Maybe I need to start posting like Nosferatu, just type what is inside her brain instead of taking minutes to make sure I get the perfect word choice so I would seem genuine

*Cough at mjoll*

[Realeo]

Aubrey, isnt the conclusion of most your "case" is X is being wrong instead of X being scum?

And your point?

There is a different of scum being manipulative and a player making wrong analysis.

[Realeo]

Like, the only conclusion that I get from you is Luv is a stupid player, not a liar.

[Realeo]

but you don't see his attack towny?

[Realeo]

The thing is that RadicalRat jump to vote uzi was to sheep you--so I take that as a social cue that you are scumreading him, but if you're not actually scumreading him, then I have to question RR's motive to vote uzi.

[Realeo]

Did I just screw up my reading??

[Realeo]

Aubrey, have you ever play with Flubber before? I feel like you won't make those reasoning if you have.

[Realeo]

If someone can tell me how to love I am Innocent, that would be great.

[Realeo]

Since you have a meta read, share it..

It's not really town meta, it's more play style meta.

I'm seeing little to no pushes to understand players, but rather direct statements that place him where he wants/needs to be which I consider to be closer aligned to scum than town.

Yeah, this is template Flubber.

Flubber is just the type of guy who don't really give a fuck about you, pretty much does not respond to pressure, just make up his mind. Think Vedith, Not_Mafia or Creature when he is lazy.

Because you can't really track his state of brain, I kinda have to simply follow his character see if . You may say "But then he can reverse-psychology you!" but I say "Well simple. If Flubber start caring, maybe he is mafia." Reading this, he could simply put his idgaf face as reverse psychology, but we know that he won't be able to idgaf forevah. Only when he no longer idgaf, we can apply classic scumhunting.

Currently, he is in the safe zone.

His confrontation with moz seems consistent with idgaf Flubber. He got triggered with 505 is consistent.

He is being annoyed with Chickadee and Aubrey is normal.

The only thing that may bothers me with Flubber is why Flubber voted Aubrey but not Chickadee when he is pissed of with both of them, but until Flubber responded or the mod prod him

*caugh*

, I have to give him the benefit of doubt.

[Realeo]

How is it possible that I mis-spell cough. *sigh*

[Realeo]

@Aubrey

If you want to sort Flubber, the best way is by question, not votes. I have asked 1, you may want to join me in the quizzing row.

[Realeo]

@Aubrey If you want to sort Flubber, the best way is by question, not votes.

If you wonder why, the last time we tried it, he accused us as bad people who try to show moral superiority by lynching him simply for the fact that we don't like him.

Not exactly the kind of discourse you want when you complained that you don't like talk show.

[Realeo]

However you cannot say you doubt someone is scummy for a reason and then use that reason to jump onto that bandwagon later! That doesn't fly at all. I mean you may well be able to do that if you adequetly explain it, but you did not, it came completely off the cuff. Especially from a player like you, you described yourself as meticulous, I would have expected you to want to explain yourself thoroughly if you were going to do this.

Ah. I see where is your confusion.

Let us bring the post back into the game.

<strike denotes grammar correction>

@Keychain

I kinda don't really have scumlean, so my lynch is more to who I

don't

townread the least.

<== This line

moz gave me a pause. I find Chick may raise a good concern about moz read progression, but others issue seem nice. It seems rational for mos to relegate me from 'town' to 'prob town'. His IaI read seems fine.

Allomancer is a little bit special. I literally null him, but the reason why he get my love is

1. I can still can make stretched reason for why <INSERT NAME HERE> is town. I can't really stretch a reason why Allo is town.
2. There are more than 1 person that I can't stretch a reason, but I can give everyone but allo the benefit of activity doubt.

My heart like want to vote moz, but it's not like moz need pressure to talk.

If you see closely, I was flustered D1 that I pretty much don't have a legitimate suspect at that point, it's more to who I townlean the least.

I catched some town vibes like I said in the past, but I listed why his vote at Chichkadee bite those town vibes to the point of two least towny.

[Realeo]

So this is what the vote count should look like, if those who are pushing their respected targets would just vote already. @Realeo, where should you be placed? It'll be fun to see where Fitz decides to go, whenever he comes back to play.

Outside those four wagons. I just have a programming competition so I don't have the brain power to make a decision yet.

But you know how I feel about fitz and IaI.

[Realeo]

Why do you want everyone to pay attention to you anyway?

Well, who wouldn't want to be paid attention in a game of mafia?

Like, I felt this should be intuitive.

[Realeo]

Yeah town reading is legit it ends up being what I have to do a lot.

But even then scummiest just ends up resolving to least towny so iai has a point.

Yep, this.

I don't get it.

Saying I like none of those 4 wagons != I don't know who is the scummiest.

[Realeo]

Like, I am the one who is ESL here. I am the one who supposed to not to understand what does sentence mean here.

[Realeo]

Let us break down that post

@Realeo, where should you be placed?

Aubrey passive aggressively requested me to vote.

Outside those four wagons.

I said I don't want to vote those 4 wagons. (Why do I have to vote those wagons?? We are not deadline lynching yet)

I just have a programming competition so I don't have the brain power to make a decision yet.

But you know how I feel about fitz and IaI.

I want either IaI or Fitz but I was tired mentally at that point.

How is that scummy?

[Realeo]

I claim that I am not omgusing since I already state my intention

IAI

[Realeo]

Wrong that.

VOTE: IAI

[Realeo]

welcome to my feeling, luv

[Realeo]

What is your feeling?

If IAI scumread because I have "no scumread out of 4 people?", why IAI does not scumread fitz since he have "no scumread out of everyone?"

I mean, sure, fitz has activity issue, but doesn't he is supposed to carry scumread from D1?

[Realeo]

I think he also tried to get me to change my view on his slot during our bickering, which would lead me to think he was in fact townreading him?

Hmm, it's more to "he deserves the benefit of the doubt...."

I just want LuV to snap out of his Realeo/Aubrey fetish. The paranoia that I am being pocketed is real.

[Realeo]

Yes, so the next step is to go to the next name in the list, right?

[Realeo]

Hmm, I was under the impression that he is in the impression that he is already starting over and currently is still zilch.

[Realeo]

I assumed that when he said he had zero suspect, he is telling "I'm in the process of catching up. Currently I still have zero suspect."

Otherwise, it's a moot point to mention how many suspect that you have, right?

[Realeo]

Do you know that birthday is just a social construct to make you feel happy for approaching eternal decomposition?

If human can be deceived with a simple notion to make them forget about existentialism, we will achieve nothing.

.....

WE ARE GOING TO DIE! EVERYONE PANIC!

[Realeo]

Cause your last read on me prior to that was a POE scum read...by far, nothing definitive:

Why is a POE scumread is not a legitimate thing for me to vote you? Idontgetit.

[Realeo]

Like, your entire scumread first is that you don't buy that I don't want to vote the wagon--now I am supposed to have a definitive scumread?

So for you, it is just a game of me not fulfilling your expectation

I don't understand why you impose way on how am I supposed to play

when you have zero meta at me

?

[Realeo]

And then finally, when pressed on which wagon you would join if nothing changed, 'hmmm....not sure. Need to think about that.' After 1000 friggin posts, yeah not buying it.

ARE YOU SERIOUSLY ACCUSING ME OF LYING ABOUT REAL LIFE?

WHEN I MAKE THAT POST, I HAD A COMPUTER COMPETITION. IT LASTED 5 HOURS LONG. I DON'T HAVE THE BRAIN CAPICITY TO MAKE THE DECISION AFTER THE TEST

THIS IS MY COMPETITION BUNDLE. 21 PAGES LONG



THIS IS PROOF THAT COMPETITIVE PROGRAMMING LAST 5 HOURS

I AM SORRY IAI, BUT I AM NOT A LOSER WHO WOULD LIE FOR A GAME.

[Realeo]

THIS IS THE SCORE BOARD. MY TEAM FINISHED 13TH

THIS IS THE LIVE TWITTER FEED COVERING THE TOURNAMENT

HAPPY?

[Realeo]

I like how you minimize all my other concerns about you:

Your pushes on Allo and Moz D1
Your "why is nobody looking at me" instead of scumhunting, similar to the example I provided about scum syndesis in a recent game with her
Your turning off someone N1
Your admittance to continuing to turn off people future nights when it is in town's best interest to turn on town power roles and catch the 1+ scum that is turning off power roles each night.

SO WHEN YOU ACCUSE ME, I AM SUPPOSED TO JUST ACCEPT IT?

OF COURSE NOT. I DEFEND MY SELF.

WHEN YOU ARE BEING ACCUSED, YOU ARE ALSO EXPECTED TO "MINIMIZE THOSE CONCERN" AS WELL.

[Realeo]

Your turning off someone N1
Your admittance to continuing to turn off people future nights when it is in town's best interest to turn on town power roles and catch the 1+ scum that is turning off power roles each night.

*Calms down*

And this stupid shit again.

I already explained that I can turn off scum. You just "No. No. No. You are an idiot. Scum must be an idiot so you are scum."

Why am I supposed to trust you that turning on players is the best move when the best thing you can do to defend your idea when being countered by another idea is by scumreading me?

There is something called Ad hominem is that when I attack your idea with my idea, instead attacking my idea to defend yours, you attack my alignment.

That's not how logic works.

Well, you can turn on Allomancer! A conf town.

But I have a shitty priority number. If mafia is higher, I'm a lost cause. Someone with a better priorty number should do it.

[Realeo]

I want either IaI or Fitz but I was tired mentally at that point.

What do you "want?"

CAN YOU FUCKING READ? THE EXPLANATION IS LITERALLY ABOVE YOU?

[Realeo]

I want either IaI or Fitz but I was tired mentally at that point.

What do you "want?"

CAN YOU FUCKING READ? THE EXPLANATION IS LITERALLY ABOVE YOU?

CAN YOU READ THIS?

And then finally, when pressed on which wagon you would join if nothing changed, 'hmmm....not sure. Need to think about that.' After 1000 friggin posts, yeah not buying it.

ARE YOU SERIOUSLY ACCUSING ME OF LYING ABOUT REAL LIFE?

WHEN I MAKE THAT POST, I HAD A COMPUTER COMPETITION. IT LASTED 5 HOURS LONG. I DON'T HAVE THE BRAIN CAPICITY TO MAKE THE DECISION AFTER THE TEST

THIS IS MY COMPETITION BUNDLE. 21 PAGES LONG



THIS IS PROOF THAT COMPETITIVE PROGRAMMING LAST 5 HOURS

I AM SORRY IAI, BUT I AM NOT A LOSER WHO WOULD LIE FOR A GAME.

[Realeo]

HOW ABOUT NOW?

And then finally, when pressed on which wagon you would join if nothing changed, 'hmmm....not sure. Need to think about that.' After 1000 friggin posts, yeah not buying it.

ARE YOU SERIOUSLY ACCUSING ME OF LYING ABOUT REAL LIFE?[/size]

WHEN I MAKE THAT POST, I HAD A COMPUTER COMPETITION. IT LASTED 5 HOURS LONG. I DON'T HAVE THE BRAIN CAPICITY TO MAKE THE DECISION AFTER THE TEST

THIS IS MY COMPETITION BUNDLE. 21 PAGES LONG

THIS IS PROOF THAT COMPETITIVE PROGRAMMING LAST 5 HOURS

I AM SORRY IAI, BUT I AM NOT A LOSER WHO WOULD LIE FOR A GAME.

[Realeo]

NO. YOU ARE TOO DUMB. YOU ARE TOO DUMB THAT YOU MISS THE POST LITERALLY ABOVE YOU. LET ME INCREASE THE FONT TO THE MAX TO ENSURE THERE IS NO CHANCE YOU MISS IT.

And then finally, when pressed on which wagon you would join if nothing changed, 'hmmm....not sure. Need to think about that.' After 1000 friggin posts, yeah not buying it.

ARE YOU SERIOUSLY ACCUSING ME OF LYING ABOUT REAL LIFE?

WHEN I MAKE THAT POST, I HAD A COMPUTER COMPETITION. IT LASTED 5 HOURS LONG. I DON'T HAVE THE BRAIN CAPICITY TO MAKE THE DECISION AFTER THE TEST

THIS IS MY COMPETITION BUNDLE. 21 PAGES LONG

THIS IS PROOF THAT COMPETITIVE PROGRAMMING LAST 5 HOURS

I AM SORRY IAI, BUT I AM NOT A LOSER WHO WOULD LIE FOR A GAME.

[Realeo]

AND FYI, I AM L-1; JUST IN CASE YOU ARE DUMB AS WELL

[Realeo]

OR MAYBE I AM AT L-2. SEE, I AM DUMB AS WELL!

[Realeo]

FFS, this is my birthday. I am not supposed to be angry at my birthday.

[Realeo]

What do you want?

[Realeo]

TELL ME HIS THE LEAST TOWNIE!

Luv is the least townies out of the 4.

Done?

[Realeo]

So while I believe you are busy, I don't believe you are a town player who has no varying reads on the 4 players that had wagons at that moment in time.

Have you ever done a calculus exam?

Calculus exam is so tough that after the exam is done, you simply don't have the mind power to think after that. Your brain is simply exhausted for being overwhelmed with the derivative and integral.

Now, I am having a calculus tournament, something that is tougher than a calculus exam.

An approximate analogy.

[Realeo]

See. Now you give me the number. Thank you!

If only you gave those number pages ago.

[Realeo]

TELL ME HIS THE LEAST TOWNIE!

Luv is the least townies out of the 4.

Done?

Why didn't you say that before?

Aubrey's questions is not about who is the scummiest out of the wagon. It's about who I want to vote. I know I want to vote {IAI,fitz}, but I was to tired too make the call.

[Realeo]

For reference, this is Aubrey's question if other players are too lazy to iso

established. you bore me

Oh dear, I bore him.

--

Realeo (3) - Allomancer, Mjollnir, IAI
Aubrey (2) - Flubbernugget, Lil Uzi Vert
Lil Uzi Vert (2) - Radical Rat, Keychain
Flubbernugget (2) - Aubrey, Nosferatu

Not Voting (2) - havingfitz, Realeo

--

So this is what the vote count should look like, if those who are pushing their respected targets would just vote already. @Realeo, where should you be placed? It'll be fun to see where Fitz decides to go, whenever he comes back to play.

[Realeo]

I know I want to vote {IAI,fitz}, but I was to tired too make the call.

The reason I hesitates is the dynamic of you two.

I think it has been established that I scumnull fitz while I am not impressed with IaI. Here is 11 PM so please go I iso yourself.

So logically speaking, fitz should be the vote right?

Well, no. Fitz haven't really talk--so just like I give Flubber the benefit of doubt, I have to give the benefit of doubt.

But the question is; Does Fitz + Benefit of Doubt puts him in a better position than IaI? That is where I linger.

[Realeo]

At no point did you say anything such as "OK I see your point Chick", which would be fine if you were a Nosferatu like player, but you are fairly similiar to me, you explain every read you have. It makes your motivations fairly easy to track.

Context matters. When I said that, Chickadee only justification is this.

Moza, I have to agree with what people are pointing out. Your reads look super lazy. And your jump from putting me in town, then null, and now possible scum is an interesting progression to say the least.

You've had a lot of "interesting progressions" this game.

VOTE: Mozamis

Naturally, I am confused. Who wouldn't?

Ya Rlly.

Why a weird progression is a scummy thing?

Only afterward she expanded her reasoning

Ya Rlly.

Why a weird progression is a scummy thing?

Are we reading the same game?

Moza has flipped his opinions around completely multiple times in short time spans with no explanations.

It was this post that basically proofs her point.

Moza, you're literally scum reading me for being here on a Sunday night when I said I'd be busy on the weekend. How do you possibly justify that?

If your concern is about "Why don't you say you agree with her?" well, isn't that post is basically saying that I agree with her. I try to be transparent, but I never guarantee a instantaneous transparency. That is bad for business.

[Realeo]

Happy birthday Realeo! Your birthday present?
UNVOTE:
Seriously tho Realeo seems towny now and it was just coincidence its his birthday.

Input on either IAI or fitz please. We're approaching deadline so I need final feedback.

[Realeo]

I retracted that question and wanted to know why you were scumreading me.

It is also in my iso. How hard is it to pull my iso.

[Realeo]

Be honest, are you catching up the entire game or you are just catching up me because I am the leading wagon?

[Realeo]

A simple ctrl-f Fitz of my iso will get this post showed up

907 is the kind of question that I have been looking for. Let me bisect it one by one.

TL:DR; I am capable of changing my mind.

In hindsight 181 reads weird to me, it's like he's looking for confirmation that people are going to agree with his viewpoints that Chick looks scummy before he goes and attacks her. Why did you feel the need to just mention you didn't know how to feel about her without actually saying why?

You are actually correct. I'm looking to attack her (but I think confront her is the right word?)

My issue is that I had one town game play with Chick and I don't remember Chick is very frontal with attacking person like in this game. I was in the between "Is Chick is an explosive lady or is Chick is Madam. Scum who like to Misrep."

I'm gauging for attention because I need some sanity testing. I don't remember reading any response, so I just proceed.

So I tried to attack her, she became passive aggressive, I attacked her again, then she ignored it. It kinda become obvious that she is just being a loud town.

I think I am being consistent with my stand here.

But are not you supposed to be glad at that point that the risky plan dies as a risk averse?

Like, for a lady who claim that setup speccing is bad, any attempt to end setup speccing should be good and responded by "Thank God Realeo that you ended this idiot talk." instead of scolding me.

FUCKIN SLAY

Why no vote for chickadee after seeing this?

I concluded that Chickadee is an explosive player so it's not exactly an AI thing. It should be self-evident about Chickadee is an explosive player.

In 461 you expressed that there was likely only one scum in Moz, Chick, Nos and myself, how do you feel about this now?

Oh. I don't really mean it.

I noticed that Raya was not active. I had one scum game with Raya and he is the kind of player who is capable of doing towny things as both alignment. Now, here is the thing--I managed to smell scum Raya but Raya is so good that I can't pinned him down into a persuasive argument.

Previously on Open 692....

Does this imply that you townread Raya?

I see myself in Raya and I know my scummy self and I see my scummy self in Raya.

So it's a scum lean, but since it's unjustified scum lean, I has no option but to town lean him.

So I know that Raya is not the type of the guy that you can simply townread by asking question Keychain's style.

So, I need to throw a curve ball.

I was hoping that those 4 players combination is so ubiquitous, Raya would be "Wait. What?"

To be frank, I kinda forget why I pick those 4 players.

I've already demonstrated those reasons you gave were contradictory

Mafia is not linear like politic where I can't change my mind. Sorry, this won't fly.

And why do/did you suspect Fitz?

The context of the vote was Allo claimed BP and the deadline is tight. The available wagon was Nos and Flubb and I find those wagon shitty?

I jumped into Fitz because I don't really like 369 and 452. It does not seem committal? I was modding scum!Fitz and I get the impression that Fitz try to keep his hand clean? I will try to rephrase this later.

This post is 917. You started to promise catching up in 784. You should have seen that.

[Realeo]

The whole thing resembles your Cosmopolitan so much...

You flipped around here and there, like D4 play In Cosompolitan; that would be Mary Saotame and Vedith. In here, it would be two dead people + Allo.

Then when you get the momentum, you do everything to push that play eventhough sometimes for simplistic reason and you only build your case as you go. In Cosmopolitan; that would be NTRP for "PGO idea" + JV for "being awol". Here, that would be me and "You do something too towny therefore you are scum"

When I mod your game play, I have been accustomed that "Ah. Fitz is a clever opportunistic scum" and this whole game play is just self-fulfilling prophecy.

My town meta at you would be Fire & Ice. It doesn't resembles you at all. The Fitz that I know is just a stereotype a random joe who is simply playing for town victory condition.

The town!fitz that I know is the guy who clarify situations. The scum!fitz that I know is the guy who accuses situation.

The town!fitz that I know is the guy who never leads with conviction and has a pessimistic mindset. The scum!fitz that I know is someone who plays very strongly that "Could it be possible that he knows things because he knows thing?" and has "it could be worse" mindset.

[Realeo]

I remember back in Fire & Ice where you are so angry with mafia that you simply get angry and say "Scum sucks at shooting" eventhough I (Fire Mafia) shoot one of the Ice Mafia and you simply default to self-lynching instead of No Lynch.

It was such a monumental moment in that game because that attitude was the reason I went off-guard and fell for Aristo's gambit.

Here, it's a much happier fitz. You pat yourself when you "manage to unvote Allo before he claimed," it's almost as if "I am mafia who know he is town, so I am going to cash in towncred for not being a scum who drive his mislynch"

[Realeo]

So changing my reads from two dead people and someone I had chaged to a townread (and who claimed) is flipping? Excellent observation.

You're misrepping. I'm not talking about the D2 read change, I am talking about D1.

Here, it's a much happier fitz.

That's my meta...happy scum. j/k. Have I been happy in this game? I mean...I am happy but I hadn't noticed any difference from my norm.

Scum can paint a meat read however they want it. I find yours on me to be fairly inaccurate. [/quote]

Proof it then. Show me your meta.

[Realeo]

EBWOP

So changing my reads from two dead people and someone I had chaged to a townread (and who claimed) is flipping? Excellent observation.

You're misrepping. I'm not talking about the D2 read change, I am talking about D1.

Here, it's a much happier fitz.

That's my meta...happy scum. j/k. Have I been happy in this game? I mean...I am happy but I hadn't noticed any difference from my norm.

Scum can paint a meat read however they want it. I find yours on me to be fairly inaccurate.

Proof it then. Show me your meta.

[Realeo]

You're misrepping. I'm not talking about the D2 read change, I am talking about D1.

No misrep misrepper. You never mentioned anything about D1 and you yourself referred to the "two dead people"....which they would not have been D1.

Proof it then. Show me your meta.

Every post I make is my meta. Enjoy.

I give up on English.

[Realeo]

You're misrepping. I'm not talking about the D2 read change, I am talking about D1.

No misrep misrepper. You never mentioned anything about D1 and you yourself referred to the "two dead people"....which they would not have been D1.

Proof it then. Show me your meta.

Every post I make is my meta. Enjoy.

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WTF? FIRST, YOU SCUMREAD ME FOR SIMPLY NOT LIKING ME. SECOND, YOU ARE DISMISSING ME?
- Mod provided translation to avoid encoding conflict.

[Realeo]

Hopefully a good post from me by the end of today

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G. YOU ARE THE BEST.
- Mod provided translation to avoid encoding conflict.

[Realeo]

Does any of us has to advocate for Aubrey for world peace before we have Shouting Person II?

[Realeo]

do i not know how to read or something

Prolly. Life is weird, isn't it?

[Realeo]

@mod

I'm pretty sure fitz voted me.

~Corrected in votecount.

[Realeo]

Oh wait. Right!

VOTE: fitz

[Realeo]

I guess I'll do one of those ISOs because I like have no social life or things to distract me,,,

Hurricane Maria?

[Realeo]

also is english in binary code not still english

Is Obamacare in Trump's hand not still Obamacare?

[Realeo]

Can anyone else corroborate LUV's opinion of his scumgame?

I am indifferent on his scum game. When I am his scum partner, he is not remarkable, but his non remarkableness is kinda the thing how he went under the radar?

[Realeo]

Did someone just scumread me for binaries?

[Realeo]

I major in Computer Science, you are aware of that, right?

[Realeo]

@mod I voted fitz

[Realeo]

Have you seen me angry?

Angry is NAI for me

For town meta, stack the deck. I trolled an entire page.
For scum meta, fire and ice.

Phone posting so cant link it.

[Realeo]

Apparently, someone hacked my wiki page with Hungry Games. You would have to dive from my profile page then.

[Realeo]

How did someone hack your Wiki page?

Apparently, it was me. I fucked up the url editing.

[Realeo]

will lynch {flub, fitz, iai}

Flubber is still someone I need to sort out. IAI is a town lean. I'll review your suspicions towards them and see if anything makes sense.

I'm going to sleep so no hope I guess. Been a long time since the last time on the receiving end of the lynch.

VT. Priority 9. Flicked off fitz.

Final will:

The only vote on me that I like was mjol. Other reasoning (lying about real life, "too towny so scum", "too angry", ???) was meh.

Still in conviction that fitz is scum. Nosferatu pretty much has the reason why I pinned scum.

Disatisfied with RR's commentary.

I wanted to sort through Uzi a bit more, and see more from Realeo post-screaming at the thread, but....

1. There is a lot of shit happening after post-screaming. Was that not enough?
2. You barely talked about me pre-screaming. What do you get from me pre-screaming?

I like Aubrey + Nos (maybe followed by Keychain and mjoll) for town but always paranoid that Aubrey played the way I play scum.

IAI, please listen to Nosferatu about fitz.

SOMEONE NEED TO MAKE LUV&FLUBBER STOP TALKING ABOUT AUBREY AND TALK ABOUT OTHER THING. THOSE ARE THE ONLY WAY YOU WOULD SORT THOSE PEOPLE

/inb4 havingfitz d3 lunched Flubber.

Iai's & mjoll tunnel at me kinda natural (although still doesn't understand the flick off grudge. The mistake is at his fault for taking so long to talk about it). Fitz still meh.

Can someone review fitz's readlist progression from D1.

Most of his stand was based of setup spec including his townlean at IAI so I don't think 2 scums in {IAI,fitz}?

feel good about the chances he flips scum

Feel like I've heard this before, LOL. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm still betting town. Mafia would be so much more interesting if it had a gambling feature.

I actually have been messing up with a gambling feature but I can't create a good setup.

Good night from real life and good night for this game?

[Realeo]

@IAI

What is your job in real life?

[Realeo]

That explains the probability sheningans.

Isn't actuary a demanding job? Especially the fact you have to pass layers of qualifying exam.

About the hammer, I am gonna self-hammer. Maybe like..16 hours?

[Realeo]

Self-hammer? why? isn't that considered not playing to your win condition? I don't think there is a jester in this game.

I don't think that is the case here.

I mean, it's not like there is a role cop to save me.

So it's either me + NK + <someone else> or nobody + NK + me, which is kinda a waste of a lynch.

[Realeo]

It is a

deadline

self hammer, ffs

[Realeo]

Huh? So I incorrectly read that he scumread Aubrey.

[Realeo]

Not Voting (1) - Lil Uzi Vert

Topkek

[Realeo]

I'm going to confess, Allo flusters me when he said that when he scumread me.

[Realeo]

Town.

Sorry.

[Realeo]

Please check Fitz iso here as town and here as scum

When Fitz is scum, he is unusually confident for simplistic reason just like Fitz's premise of scumreading me is simple.

[Realeo]

If you're into numbers, good at problem solving, and decent at computers/large sets of data, actuary is a great job. I love it. Oh the exams, yeah they suck. Picture being put in a room with 1000 really smart people, knowing the pass score will be set so as 700 of the really smart people fail...yeah that was my life for a long time!

See, we are in the same league. I am an aspiring data scientist, I also play with number and huge data set. I also program for life.

Given we are in the same league, how is it impossible for you to imagine that I am too tired that I don't have the mind to make a vote when Aubrey ask me?

You're not a loser who can't imagine someone using a brain so hard.

[Realeo]

Don't forget this.

Disatisfied with RR's commentary.

I wanted to sort through Uzi a bit more, and see more from Realeo post-screaming at the thread, but....

1. There is a lot of shit happening after post-screaming. Was that not enough?
2. You barely talked about me pre-screaming. What do you get from me pre-screaming?

SOMEONE NEED TO MAKE LUV&FLUBBER STOP TALKING ABOUT AUBREY AND TALK ABOUT OTHER THING. THOSE ARE THE ONLY WAY YOU WOULD SORT THOSE PEOPLE

/inb4 havingfitz d3 lunched Flubber.

[Realeo]

Radio off

[Realeo]

Realeo...your reads were shit this game so for your sake (and town) I hope you are scum.

As for whatever meta case you are inferring points to me being scum, it's no better than your reads. I'm town.

PS...turn on...not off.

Do you realistically think saying "I'm town" is enough defense? I made dozens of posts and I'm still getting lynched.

If you really are town, my apologies on my sucky read this game. I'll be happy to talk more post game about why I scum read you (it was much more than just the not willing to give a name among the four wagons) and more about strategies town should and shouldn't take this game.

Dont' worry. I don't hold grudges over game.

I just wish you bring the number sooner. It is an unnecessary fight.

[Realeo]

So if I am wrong, why can't you proof that I am wrong? I mean, it's faulty conclusion. Faulty conclusion is definitely easy to rebut.

[Realeo]

why am i so bad at this game now lmao