Mini 1955: Perpetual MYLO III - Game Over!

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #670 (isolation #0) » Mon Oct 30, 2017 12:27 pm

Good evening.

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #674 (isolation #1) » Mon Oct 30, 2017 12:43 pm

I'm only on page 3 but why isn't diamondsentinel dead yet?

oh hey surprise altgame

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #681 (isolation #2) » Mon Oct 30, 2017 1:07 pm

page 12 comment, diamond looks a lot like he is really really bad at bussing mulch

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #684 (isolation #3) » Mon Oct 30, 2017 1:22 pm

In post 355, Michael22Omega wrote:I didn't receive my role card yet lol

I suspect this could be a lie. I already didn't like Brian.

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #685 (isolation #4) » Mon Oct 30, 2017 1:23 pm

In post 359, Michael22Omega wrote:Pretty sure I'm town based on Brain's iso so I'm gonna continue posting

amished/10

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #688 (isolation #5) » Mon Oct 30, 2017 1:41 pm

In post 584, DiamondSentinel wrote:Alright. I've tried ignoring it. I've tried dealing with it maturely. I've tried waiting through this entire day and talking to the mod about this, but this is fucking ridiculous.

I have permission from the mod to request to start a WotC movement to force-replace Mulch (and/or Michael). This has gone on for 4 days of exclusively shitposting and spamming. There was never much activity, but they are making this even worse. If you are in support of a WotC movement to force-replace them, then please reply to this message in the affirmative. If I'm the only one in support of this, then so be it, and I will likely replace out, as I can not stand to be in this game with them any longer. This has only gotten worse and worse.

this may blow a bit of a hole in my theory

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #690 (isolation #6) » Mon Oct 30, 2017 1:44 pm

In post 625, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:but yeah, no wisdom isnt a hard tr, you are a hard tr, but wisdom is wisdom and if whoever he wants to lynch doesnt get lynched he wont ever shut up about it.
Plus i dont have a townread on either of the people you 2 want lynched.

I would like to know how you accomplished this.

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #691 (isolation #7) » Mon Oct 30, 2017 1:44 pm

sorry, i mean where your maki tr comes from.

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #694 (isolation #8) » Mon Oct 30, 2017 1:49 pm

In post 671, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:OMG, it's Sushi!

Hey girl hey

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #695 (isolation #9) » Mon Oct 30, 2017 1:51 pm

In post 693, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:
In post 691, Shuichi Saihara wrote:sorry, i mean where your maki tr comes from.
I explained it earlier i believe?
Maki did a townslip, the way it happened felt too natural for it to happen from a scum PoV trying to gain towncred.

I know it's happened to me before that i dont read sample PMs on games since im already used to everything being the same thing.

Oh, just that. Alright.

It wasn't enough for me, but that's fine.

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #696 (isolation #10) » Mon Oct 30, 2017 1:55 pm

Here's where I'm at

Wick not sure? hated him scumhunting off his wagon. really disagree with some of his lines of attack on kunk.

acid crazy enough to be town? reaction tests are really shit though i'd have shouted him down if i was here and been scumread for it.

Wis idfk, i really really want to hear a solid damn reason for his endless DS defense. I know he's lynchbait but that doesn't mean this can't be the time he's scum.

diamond scum

lycan fucking insane. think his absurdly in depth reading into rqs could be scum trying to look too ridiculous to be scum

brian scum, who replaced this?

kunk scum for 154 hasn't improved since

chara is a little town for tonal reasons and needlessly defending her own semantics

kaede seems town, but i'm still bothered by her predecessor.

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #698 (isolation #11) » Mon Oct 30, 2017 1:56 pm

Ew, Brian was Michael.

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #702 (isolation #12) » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:01 pm

I'm not very confident right now, but...
I have to trust in my detective work.

VOTE: Diamond

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #703 (isolation #13) » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:01 pm

In post 700, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:Also, no read on Maki?

Not really, no. That was adapted from my notes, and she never struck me enough to write anything.

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #704 (isolation #14) » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:02 pm

In post 701, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:And i think you also missed not_mafia.
Although I have no idea how to read them.

It's impossible, read the replacement.

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #738 (isolation #15) » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:59 pm

In post 705, DiamondSentinel wrote:Ah, yes. Another person hiding behind shitty reasoning and an alt/hydra. Just what we need on this community some more.

I'm gonna say all of those reads except maybe Chara's is bullshit. Wisdom is obviously town, so to say "Oh, I can't read him" is you just being lazy or scum. Latter is my guess.

Let me check who you replaced in for, because if they were also on my scumlist, I'm parking my vote firmly on you.

Yes it's an alt. Great job, sherlock, and excuse me for having fun. Or is this just a crappy discredit.

How can all but one of reads be bulls hit lol either I'm scum making them up or I'm not... if wisdom were obviously town I'd be the only one not hard town reading him. That's not the case but you only take issue with me? I didn't even say I can't read him period, I said I'm not sure about him right now

I'm quaking I'm my boots!!

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #739 (isolation #16) » Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:00 pm

In post 712, DiamondSentinel wrote:I can read wisdom like a book. I've been in 4 games with him and have never been wrong, even for a second (and even when we were on competing scumteams).

Oh well in that case I guess I can't disbelieve you. Gottem.

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #741 (isolation #17) » Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:01 pm

Not to mention it's a bit jarring to hear "I can 100% read a good player" from someone who earlier said they didn't claim to be good at mafia

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #743 (isolation #18) » Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:02 pm

In post 717, DiamondSentinel wrote:Correction: I'm using the fact that he has possibly one legitimate read to scumread him.

I'd lI've to hear what qualifies as legitimate and why my opinions are not allowed.

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #748 (isolation #19) » Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:09 pm

In post 730, Maki Harukawa wrote:Shuichi talk to me on your Dimond read I think his play /emotions feel real here
Pedit: You're scum.

I think there have been quite a few inconsistencies in his posts that have been pointed out, which may indicate he makes shit up that sounds nice as he's going along.

I still think his irritation with mulch when he first showed up and before he got annoying seemed forced, as though he'd decided to be annoyed by mulch no matter what.

I agree that some of his emotions are genuine but I've been burned calling that town before without trying to apply another degree of rigor, i.e. are they specifically town emotions.

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #750 (isolation #20) » Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:10 pm

That said I can be sold on something else still. Being present in the moment is different from reading everything from a more detached pov and I'll probably shift my reads a lot as we continue

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #752 (isolation #21) » Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:12 pm

I could vote kunk if my thing doesn't work out or I decide I'm wrong

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #753 (isolation #22) » Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:14 pm

In post 751, Maki Harukawa wrote:I just think he'd be a better scum player you get it?

It's possible. Who knows?

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #779 (isolation #23) » Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:51 am

Yeah. If I'm not correct in reading Kaede's most recent posts as town I should probably just give up at mafia.

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #782 (isolation #24) » Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:52 am

In post 780, Lycanfire wrote:you're worrying me, shuichi

Likewise, bud!

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #786 (isolation #25) » Tue Oct 31, 2017 2:18 pm

Then why vote on it, and why no interaction with chara?

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #793 (isolation #26) » Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:31 am

Ew.

I find myself wondering whether Wisdom is doing an experiment to see if saying the same thing enough times is all he needs to do to make it so.

VOTE: Viomi

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #796 (isolation #27) » Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:12 am

In post 793, Shuichi Saihara wrote:Ew.

I find myself wondering whether Wisdom is doing an experiment to see if saying the same thing enough times is all he needs to do to make it so.

VOTE: Viomi

To be clear, his vote is prompted by Viomi responding to my question with aggression instead of an answer, but is also played into by acid's stupid v/w list and a sneaking suspicion that Michael/Mulch may have had a point, as much as they are clearly the villains in this situation; I'm now townreading one of those slots, to boot (though Kaede scum would be another point against Diamond imo).

In post 794, Miu Iruma wrote:So Pooichi and Wicked are scum together

Glad to see that critical thinking churning. Planning to just gloss over the concept of reasons, orrrr?

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #797 (isolation #28) » Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:13 am

his vote > this vote

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #801 (isolation #29) » Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:46 am

In post 800, fferyllt wrote:Wickedestjr (5): Wisdom, Lycanfire, DiamondSentinel, Miu Iruma, Viomi

This is literally my best guess at the scum team, sans possibly kunkstar.

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #803 (isolation #30) » Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:50 am

It's not especially likely, but those 5 people are among my 6 top suspects independent of the locations of their votes, which leads me to believe the wicked wagon is at least partly scum driven.

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #805 (isolation #31) » Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:56 am

Town: Kaede
Townish: Maki, Wicked
Requiring further detective work: Chara, Dunnstral, Wisdom, Lycan
Scummish: Diamond, kunkstar
Scum: Miu, Viomi

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #807 (isolation #32) » Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:57 am

In post 804, Wickedestjr wrote:Btw, was this a phone post?

No, but its formatting may be odd because I was working on it in notepad and shorthanding aggressively then trying to make it legible to anyone else after the fact.

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #810 (isolation #33) » Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:59 am

In post 804, Wickedestjr wrote:Firstly, I attacked kunkstar in large part because of his post 154. How can you call him scum for 154 but 'really disagree' with me attacking him for that? I don't understand.

Just isod you and can't figure out why I wrote that.

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #813 (isolation #34) » Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:05 am

In post 811, Wickedestjr wrote:Shuichi, I actually asked about the phone posting because of this:
In post 696, Shuichi Saihara wrote:brian scum, who replaced this?
Felt weird to me that you'd submit this before checking the op.

Some combination of laziness and a note to self.

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #816 (isolation #35) » Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:23 am

I'm not, but I feel pretty good about where I am right now so you'll need to do more than that to move me.

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #820 (isolation #36) » Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:56 am

If you want to be like that, you're welcome to it.

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #836 (isolation #37) » Wed Nov 01, 2017 11:15 am

I choose to believe in you all.

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #838 (isolation #38) » Wed Nov 01, 2017 11:17 am

If we've missed today, I take full responsibility and will listen better in the future.

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #840 (isolation #39) » Wed Nov 01, 2017 11:19 am

I needed to post this in case I don't get another chance.

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #846 (isolation #40) » Wed Nov 01, 2017 11:26 am

In post 841, Miu Iruma wrote:Except for Wisdom, Lycanfire, DiamondSentinel, Viomi and me right Pooichi?

Meh, someone being the culprit never stopped him from saying things like that.

I'm sure you all have your reasons for doing bad things.

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #857 (isolation #41) » Wed Nov 01, 2017 11:37 am

There's no membership requirement, I have no idea who any of these people are

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #868 (isolation #42) » Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:22 pm

Hey wis

Even if you're right about wicked I'm pretty sure we've nonetheless got one on the line here.

Especially with miu not taking the exit hatch.

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #869 (isolation #43) » Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:23 pm

In post 867, Viomi wrote:To put pressure on you and see how you'd react?

Uh huh. :/

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #885 (isolation #44) » Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:31 pm

Will anyone hurt me if I say this feels like scum theater

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #886 (isolation #45) » Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:32 pm

In post 884, Viomi wrote:You know, the one without any reasons to see how you & others would react.

I seem to recall you offering a different explanation at the time

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #894 (isolation #46) » Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:37 pm

In post 890, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:wicked vs viomi?
If that's true then it doesnt really matter who goes does it?

Yeah

I'm still more confident on Viomi but I could see both scum potentially

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #896 (isolation #47) » Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:38 pm

In post 891, Viomi wrote:Like, seriously, there's no way wickedestjr flips town at this point. Not with that kind of immediate counter-wagon.

Shuichi Saihara wrote:
In post 884, Viomi wrote:You know, the one without any reasons to see how you & others would react.
I seem to recall you offering a different explanation at the time
Yes, because when reaction voting, I go outright and say it's reaction voting.. because that wouldn't nullify the point of reaction voting entirely, right?

Not that immediate. 3 of us have been here a while.

Sure, but you could've said that long before now

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #900 (isolation #48) » Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:39 pm

Excuse you, I had reasons thanks.

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #906 (isolation #49) » Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:52 pm

In post 905, Viomi wrote:Oh? Well either you're lying or you're recalling wrong, by the way.

Man its been like a page since your last answer to this and you're contradicting yourself again! Heck.

Good news, I guess town will know the whole scumteam once they see your townflip. Maybe you should just selfhammer!

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #910 (isolation #50) » Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:56 pm

In post 775, Viomi wrote:In all seriousness though, Kaede, why are you voting me? I'm trying to catch up but I'm having trouble sorting the useful posts from the swarm of useless ones. A recap or maybe a case or something would be nice.

I took this as a reason. Not a substantial one that expresses a scumread, sure, but I feel this opening up precludes any sort of reaction test.

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #913 (isolation #51) » Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:57 pm

I'll admit I don't have a great point in this particular conversation.

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #915 (isolation #52) » Wed Nov 01, 2017 1:01 pm

Basically, yes. I don't think you've particularly won the argument with wicked either/reactions since then have not helped, but that is the foundation.

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #916 (isolation #53) » Wed Nov 01, 2017 1:01 pm

Additionally, I have a lot of scumreads on the wicked wagon.

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #919 (isolation #54) » Wed Nov 01, 2017 1:05 pm

In post 918, Viomi wrote:So.. When he flips scum, maybe that'll help you get better information and realize your scumreads may be incorrect?

Or if he flips town, you then have way better firepower and you can lynch me and whoever else on wicked's wagon you think is scum.

Yeah kinda but I'd rather do it the other way for reasons I hope are obvious.

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #920 (isolation #55) » Wed Nov 01, 2017 1:06 pm

I'm confbiased pretty hard at this point tbh. You're better off trying to flip chara.

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #922 (isolation #56) » Wed Nov 01, 2017 1:09 pm

XD

Can't seem to make up your mind about my alignment either.

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #923 (isolation #57) » Wed Nov 01, 2017 1:09 pm

Sorry, I'll quit harassing you. I've got to do some stuff anyway.

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #925 (isolation #58) » Wed Nov 01, 2017 1:14 pm

The obvious reasons are i want to score a point by being right, not lose one to show I'm right

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #939 (isolation #59) » Wed Nov 01, 2017 1:34 pm

Bruh. You said you think miu is scum. She could have hammered.

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #940 (isolation #60) » Wed Nov 01, 2017 1:34 pm

Lycan had the option as well, but if he were scum he wouldn't have taken it so meh.

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #946 (isolation #61) » Wed Nov 01, 2017 1:51 pm

I still do have things to do. I've been at the gym this whole last hour and am now posting from my car.

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #960 (isolation #62) » Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:11 pm

In post 956, Dunnstral wrote:Uh, why do you think it's scum theater though? They're both being wagoned at deadline so it's not like they're talking to each other out of nowhere... I guess I'm not seeing what you are for this, it's even possible for both to be town and 1 flipping town doesn't mean the other is lock scum

I agree that any configuration is possible, but the vibe I got was that they decided to have a fight and then had one that felt weak on both sides.

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #964 (isolation #63) » Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:15 pm

I'll vote wicked at deadline if I have to but he'll be town and Viomi will flee and I'll be sad

I've already been over why I think she's a good lynch and her ate has not changed my mind

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #966 (isolation #64) » Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:16 pm

In post 963, Viomi wrote:This is an obvious case of attempting to distance yourself from him, while simultaneously making sure you have a reason to try and get me lynched tomorrow when he flips scum.

Yeah super obvious you got me gj I give up

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #967 (isolation #65) » Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:17 pm

In post 965, Viomi wrote:
In post 964, Shuichi Saihara wrote:I'll vote wicked at deadline if I have to but he'll be town and Viomi will flee and I'll be sad

I've already been over why I think she's a good lynch and her ate has not changed my mind
Wanna link where my AtE is before making shit up?

Lol I'd have more trouble linking where it isnt

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #969 (isolation #66) » Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:18 pm

So clever you should do stand up

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #973 (isolation #67) » Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:22 pm

But that would be a last minute counterwagon so it's automatically bad

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #976 (isolation #68) » Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:23 pm

Anyone I'm not tunnelling with two brain cells to rub together should be able to tell I'm town but fucking go for it

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #980 (isolation #69) » Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:37 pm

In post 977, Viomi wrote:
In post 973, Shuichi Saihara wrote:But that would be a last minute counterwagon so it's automatically bad
Aw man the discred, forreal

There's no way you think that the reason I'm voting wicked is because I think counterwagons are inherently bad.

The only way you could think that is if
1. You haven't been reading my posts
2. You're lying scum

No but that's apparently half your case for why everyone voting you is scum

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #981 (isolation #70) » Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:38 pm

In post 978, Viomi wrote:You're so obvscum it hurts..

You sure? Check your role pm again.

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #999 (isolation #71) » Sat Nov 04, 2017 5:44 am

I'm offended I'm alive.

Also confused, as I was thinking about opening with a vote on her.

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #1000 (isolation #72) » Sat Nov 04, 2017 5:51 am

I wonder if it's an intentional obfuscation kill, or if her hammer just looked really town, or what.

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #1004 (isolation #73) » Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:51 am

that would be me

Shuichi Saihara · Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:54 am

In post 1009, Wickedestjr wrote:
In post 1002, Wisdom wrote:VOTE: wicked

still think hes scum, and lots of the exchanges with viomi felt like scum theatre
I had
one
exchange with Viomi. If you're town then you're confbiasing pretty hard this game.

Don't be pedantic.

In post 1010, Wickedestjr wrote:I want to look at acid/Viomi associatives tonight/tomorrow.

Same, but I have no idea what to look for because this game is weird.

Shuichi Saihara · Sat Nov 04, 2017 11:28 am

How many exchanges you divide that interaction into doesn't seem terribly significant to me.

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #1092 (isolation #76) » Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:08 am

Hi. Still haven't read viomi. Want to review Maki now as well.

In post 1044, Maki Harukawa wrote:Biggest tr got killed too feels bad. I'ma look at vcs later but Klunk still feels like really good pick for mafia

Lol how?

And to address everyone suspecting kunkstar today, explain to me why he casts the L-1 vote for viomi with Dunn visibly wavering unless he's also scum with wicked in which case vote there first.

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #1093 (isolation #77) » Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:09 am

In post 1047, DiamondSentinel wrote:Hello there. Miu died and Viomi was scum. Well, that happened.

I'm gonna have to ISO miu to see if there's even anything worth pulling from their death. tbh, I can't even remember who they are, and I ISO'd myself, and the word miu never shows up once in it. Well shit.

Anyways, it'll take me a sec to gather my thoughts and all. Can't remember much of what happened last gameday.

PEdit: So would I, Maki. So would I.

Bad

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #1094 (isolation #78) » Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:10 am

In post 1048, Maki Harukawa wrote:DiamondSentinel Chara Wickedestjr
Kaede Akamatsu
Lycanfire Dunnstral
Shuichi Saihara
kunkstar7 Wisdom

Where I'm at atm.

Your reads are ridiculous.

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #1095 (isolation #79) » Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:12 am

In post 1049, kunkstar7 wrote:I didn't get to mention yesterday but Shuichi doesn't really sit well with my either. A lot of their given reads and positions are given with the caveat of being willing to back away from them quite easily, or just the general "man I could be totally wrong" vibe that accompanied most given positions just feels very noncommittal to me. Doesn't help that it was UC's slot either.

Literally what the shit.

Sorry if I don't project the cocky attitude nearly everyone does, but did I not seem confident about viomi and did I not essentially get her lynched? Are we reading the same game? Feel free to explain why I bussed her but I can't understand how I'm being scumread by multiple people without this being mentioned

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #1096 (isolation #80) » Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:13 am

In post 1057, Lycanfire wrote:somehow acid really did get lynched, and mulch (you) don't look any better for it.

?????

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #1097 (isolation #81) » Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:34 am

I think there are some notable differences in viomis tone towards wicked and towards me. I also think that some of her posts to me feel like she's setting up to have something to do if she's alive the next day, but if wicked were town she wouldn't be alive the next day regardless of who was lynched.

VOTE: Wicked

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #1104 (isolation #82) » Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:08 am

In post 1100, Maki Harukawa wrote:Acids interactions with me make me town and I was one of the first ones to want them lynched I don't think you can call me scum here.
Do people think Wicked is scum? Why feeling fine on my Shuichi sr now

Having just reread acid I have no idea what you're talking about here

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #1105 (isolation #83) » Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:11 am

In post 1099, Maki Harukawa wrote:
In post 1094, Shuichi Saihara wrote:
In post 1048, Maki Harukawa wrote:DiamondSentinel Chara Wickedestjr
Kaede Akamatsu
Lycanfire Dunnstral
Shuichi Saihara
kunkstar7 Wisdom

Where I'm at atm.
Your reads are ridiculous.
What are yours?

It's hard to want to answer this knowing you apparently intend on being anti-me regardless of my answer, but whatever

Town: Kaede
Townish: Chara, Lycan
Null: kunkstar, Wisdom, Dunnstral
Scummish: Wicked, Diamond

Not currently attending this read list: Maki

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #1107 (isolation #84) » Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:18 am

Although: why does wicked scum leave wisdom and me alive?

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #1114 (isolation #85) » Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:25 am

In post 1112, Chara wrote:
In post 1107, Shuichi Saihara wrote:Although: why does wicked scum leave wisdom and me alive?
stop making my head hurt.
why'd they kill Miu/Not Mafia?

I have no idea why anyone would kill that slot. It was a mislynch waiting to happen.

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #1116 (isolation #86) » Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:36 am

Wisdom could totally be scum. There's only one thing he could do that would make me feel confident in a read on him, and it has not happened.

Shuichi Saihara · Mon Nov 06, 2017 12:15 pm

In post 1119, Wickedestjr wrote:The fact that you say 'that interaction' shows that you agree with me that it was just one interaction. It might not matter to you, but I personally have trouble biting my tongue when someone is stretching the truth about me. I'm not sure if that's a bad thing or not.

If Wisdom is town, then he shouldn't ever have to incorporate dishonesty in his posts - but it was very misleading for him to say that there were lots of bad exchanges between Viomi and I.

You could easily call it several bad exchanges depending on your personal definition of 'exchange' but more importantly calling it dishonesty to add an S to a word seems... like dishonesty

Shuichi Saihara · Mon Nov 06, 2017 12:16 pm

In post 1121, Wickedestjr wrote:Btw this is probably scum:
In post 1018, Wisdom wrote:Compare
how confident wicked was
viomi was scum when addressing him as opposed to any of his other posts

throw in the mix that
he only reluctantly voted him
when he could no longer avoid it
Pretty blatant cog dis. Wisdom has never cared about trying to determine my alignment.

The whole point of this post is to point out cog-dis in YOUR posts.

I haven't fact-checked this so I'm not especially agreeing with Wis here but I don't think you're reading his post right.

Shuichi Saihara · Mon Nov 06, 2017 12:32 pm

Christ why don't you all just lynch me already, if this isn't obvtown I have no fucking idea what is.

I shouldn't let that post be the straw that breaks it because diamond is just scum but this is getting old. I've been nothing but an asset to this town.

Shuichi Saihara · Mon Nov 06, 2017 12:40 pm

reread maki and still at an impasse

maki can you try and explain your reads or something? help me out, show me a thought process

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #1137 (isolation #91) » Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:13 pm

I see you sneaking me out of the scumpool while I'm voting your wagon.

I wonder if I'll reappear if I move off.

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #1154 (isolation #92) » Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:32 pm

I'm less confident this time but I guess we'really doing it.

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #1155 (isolation #93) » Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:33 pm

Autocorrect is trash

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #1160 (isolation #94) » Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:17 am

In post 1157, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:Please Shuichi, If you're losing confidence, what's gonna happen to the trust i put in you.

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #1176 (isolation #95) » Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:44 am

In post 1168, DiamondSentinel wrote:
In post 1165, Wisdom wrote:ds. wheres your vote.
My vote will be on wicked or shuichi. Put one to L-1 and I'll hammer.

Preferably shuichi.

Then do it. Why are you so afraid of voting me?

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #1177 (isolation #96) » Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:44 am

More from a computer

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #1181 (isolation #97) » Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:02 am

In post 1162, Maki Harukawa wrote:this guys silly gambits

I seem to have forgotten these.

In post 1162, Maki Harukawa wrote:Kaede Akamatsu- I don't really understand a lot of the Kaede townreads I have a light tr on her myself but people seem to have her on this "LOCK TOWNREAD" spot I liked her early game content but this "my head is spinning idk what to do" is just odd for me I feel if wicked flips scum Kaede is in that "lock town" but if he flipped town high chance of her being scum I'm keeping my eye on her given her has a tr on me for a "townslip" that can be very easy to fake almost pocket ish

One thing I enjoyed from her was the "trusting my predecessor's read" debacle. I don't think that's the tack scum take to look town while voting their buddy. Also, the exchange with Viomi around that issue came off well to me.

That's not my whole read, just an anecdote that comes to mind.

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #1182 (isolation #98) » Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:05 am

In post 1162, Maki Harukawa wrote:Dunnstral- Ah Dunn my friend who I think could be town I've been rethinking this read a lot but I don't feel ready to put him as town yet given I had his slot at lock scum I want to know why he sr's me and why he's so eager to talk to me I get we're friends but this sense of eagerness is kinda scary the people in his other slots didn't really do much justice but hey we'll talk and that may help me get a read on him the interesting part is dunn has a lot of tells and he's done both his town and scum tells so more to come.

I'm surprised you have this as high as you do. If anything I thought Dunn's interactions with you were weird so it's confusing to me that you'd move him up off that after wanting his predecessor dead.

Shuichi Saihara · Post Post #1183 (isolation #99) » Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:07 am

In post 1162, Maki Harukawa wrote:his reads also have wicked and dimond as scum teammates and that just blows my mind as I'm either trash or I just can't see that team happening

This is valid. I'm not the "try to solve the whole game at once" type; I'm reading those two as scum independently and would assess further after getting a flip from one or the other. You'll almost never catch me doing associatives on unflipped players

Shuichi Saihara · Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:07 am

In post 1162, Maki Harukawa wrote:I wouldn't be shocked if it's in this players scumrange.

Does this mean you've identified me?

Shuichi Saihara · Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:08 am

Anyway, thank you for doing that. I think it helped me and I wanna stick you back in townish.

Shuichi Saihara · Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:09 am

In post 1180, Wisdom wrote:youve managed to shake my confidence on wicked is what i know

you sure sound like scum rn

having no reads yet being fine with lynching wicked? ugh

Would you expect someone without good reads to refuse to lynch anyone?

Shuichi Saihara · Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:10 am

In post 1186, DiamondSentinel wrote:
In post 1176, Shuichi Saihara wrote:
In post 1168, DiamondSentinel wrote:
In post 1165, Wisdom wrote:ds. wheres your vote.
My vote will be on wicked or shuichi. Put one to L-1 and I'll hammer.

Preferably shuichi.
Then do it. Why are you so afraid of voting me?
I'm not. I just don't feel like voting Willy nilly.

Willy nilly? It sounds to me like you've really thought out this read.

Shuichi Saihara · Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:23 am

You people and your knowing who anyone is.

Shuichi Saihara · Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:27 am

Shuichi Saihara · Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:30 am

I agree that mulch's posts themselves don't have much to do with it.

Shuichi Saihara · Wed Nov 08, 2017 5:11 am

I looked back a little to see if there was anyone strongly on the wicked wagon yesterday avoiding it today. i.e. those who wanted him bussed yesterday but are afraid of getting too far behind now.

Other than Diamond randomly not voting today, there isn't anyone. Not sure what that says.

Shuichi Saihara · Wed Nov 08, 2017 5:15 am

In post 1206, Wickedestjr wrote:I made eight posts during that conversation, centered around one topic of discussion (Viomi and I were arguing about my vote for her). Wisdom votes me for "lots of the exchanges with viomi felt like scum theatre". My whole point is that this statement doesn't truly describe the events of day 1 but feels like it's written to mislead people and to make people think the case against me is stronger than it actually is.

and my point has always been that it doesn't fucking matter at all and it's ridiculous to make a big deal about it.

Shuichi Saihara · Wed Nov 08, 2017 5:18 am

In post 1203, Dunnstral wrote:Well, whatever, I like the effort made in 1162
I don't know what tells you are talking about (or... think you're talking about)

Shuichi was pushing Viomi yesterday and for that I'm willing to not consider them for at least a while
I'm noting the klunk popped up and voted Viomi yesterday too

And yeah, I'm down to lynch Wisdom too

UNVOTE: Maki Harukawa
VOTE: Wisdom

also this post baffles me.

"look at this giant attitude change"

"ok ill sheep you maki!"

??????????

Shuichi Saihara · Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:01 am

In post 1219, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:
Spoiler:

"Miu Iruma... the Ultimate inventor
She died before telling us how her Scem scanner worked"

"And the killer
Is one of us"

"It's time to begin the class trial
The battle between the blackened and the spotless"

#Danganronpa

ilu.

Will you make the right choice or the dreadfully wrong one?

Shuichi Saihara · Fri Nov 10, 2017 8:35 am

Prod dodge?

Shuichi Saihara · Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:20 pm

I think if we lynch wicked/wisdom, diamond, Dunnstral, not necessarily in that order

That's probably good enough for a win

Am I stupid

Shuichi Saihara · Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:36 pm

I am too

Would I get yelled at if I tried to start a diamond wagon

Shuichi Saihara · Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:38 pm

The wicked wagon had at least 2 town on it. Wis and lycan didn't budge from yesterday. So if he's town why is it so hard to lynch him today? Idk

Shuichi Saihara · Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:41 pm

Kaede how does this make you feel

viewtopic.php?t=73385&f=56&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

Shuichi Saihara · Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:45 pm

I know that's a lot of words you don't have to read all of them

Shuichi Saihara · Fri Nov 10, 2017 3:01 pm

I guess my point is he sounds pretty town in that game but isn't

Now, knowing that how do I read him? Hellifiknow. I'm sort of trying to read the game state around him instead.

Shuichi Saihara · Sat Nov 11, 2017 7:36 am

In post 1301, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:I feel like I should just lynch him and be done with it, this read has caused me more problems than I needed and blame Wisdom if he flips town.

But then that's the easy way out.

The problem with this of course is assuming everyone is generally correct that we're looking at a TvS situation here then if we're wrong the other one leaves.

Which is possibly an argument for wagoning somewhere else entirely. <_>

Shuichi Saihara · Sat Nov 11, 2017 7:10 pm

I think the scumteam is wicked Dunn diamond and not sure on the last one but it doesn't matter

Still, that should be enough common ground to get this over with

Yes this is me buying what wisdom is selling rn.

Shuichi Saihara · Sat Nov 11, 2017 7:10 pm

Actually if wicked flips scum I'll take kunkstar for the last spot

Shuichi Saihara · Sat Nov 11, 2017 8:06 pm

In post 1323, Wisdom wrote:why are you townreading chara and maki?

I can try and tackle this later if it matters. Chara much more of a town read than maki.

Shuichi Saihara · Sat Nov 11, 2017 8:07 pm

In post 1324, Lycanfire wrote:
In post 1322, Shuichi Saihara wrote:Actually if wicked flips scum I'll take kunkstar for the last spot
Why do you feel this way? I feel like this was the wagon to avert a scum lynch, so an unlikely scum with scum!Wicked. Diamond vs Wicked could be more of a bus, even though the build up was there, and less abrupt than say, Kunkstar.

I was saying that basically because the only reason I ever thought he was town was for voting viomi.

Shuichi Saihara · Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:50 pm

Shuichi Saihara · Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:52 pm

In post 1023, Chara wrote:eh. i guess i'm not scumreading you after all.
UNVOTE:
Viomi/Wicked/Lycan/kunkstar/Dunnstral?

In post 1068, Chara wrote:VOTE: kunkstar
why does Viomi's scumflip initially make you think Wicked is scum too? it doesn't sound like you considered scum theatre until it was brought up, the way you phrased it.

Hmm?

Shuichi Saihara · Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:59 pm

I plan to do a lot of looking where wisdom would have told me to look today.

Shuichi Saihara · Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:34 am

I'd have been surprised if the kill wasn't wisdom.

Shuichi Saihara · Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:38 am

In post 1345, Chara wrote:
In post 1342, Shuichi Saihara wrote:
In post 1023, Chara wrote:eh. i guess i'm not scumreading you after all.
UNVOTE:
Viomi/Wicked/Lycan/kunkstar/Dunnstral?

In post 1068, Chara wrote:VOTE: kunkstar
why does Viomi's scumflip initially make you think Wicked is scum too? it doesn't sound like you considered scum theatre until it was brought up, the way you phrased it.
Hmm?
this is before i realized my reads were bad and Wicked was scum. don't want to lynch kunkstar today.

Yet you do have wicked scum in 1023? I was wondering where he went.

Shuichi Saihara · Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:48 am

I have had a hard time understanding lycan or what he's been doing this game but positionally he seems pretty likely town, yes.

Shuichi Saihara · Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:16 am

In post 1362, DiamondSentinel wrote:Basically, my path of attack is Kunkstar, Lycan, and then Shuichi.

This agenda is transparently proscum.

Shuichi Saihara · Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:18 am

Please feel free to offer a solitary reason for suspecting me. You have yet to do so.

Anyway, thanks for reinforcing my feelings that kunkstar is town. I have to hope you're scum, because those reads are game-losingly bad otherwise.

Shuichi Saihara · Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:21 am

In post 1370, Chara wrote:but Chara is town, that's the important point of agreement.

what do you think of my list, Shuichi?

I

think

you're in the ballpark, though I might quibble about the order, and the only thing giving me pause is Wisdom's hardon for lynching you.

Shuichi Saihara · Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:23 am

In essence my personal thoughts are Dunn/Diamond/Maki for scum. Wis' feelings on the matter have me second-guessing that, but Maki is a point of agreement so that's where I was thinking about pushing first.

Shuichi Saihara · Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:24 am

In post 1372, DiamondSentinel wrote:
In post 1369, Shuichi Saihara wrote:Please feel free to offer a solitary reason for suspecting me. You have yet to do so.

Anyway, thanks for reinforcing my feelings that kunkstar is town. I have to hope you're scum, because those reads are game-losingly bad otherwise.
My biggest reason is your constant push to discredit Wisdom, in addition to your history of horribly fake readlists. I'll provide quotes from your ISO in a bit.

My biggest problem with a scumread on me is you're going to have to explain why I bussed both scum.

But I suppose I was discrediting Wisdom by expressing doubt about his reads while never getting on the wagon against him and voting Wicked.

It's a bit silly to call my readlists "horribly fake" when a) readlists are basically artificial anyway and b) you supposedly don't know my alignment.

Shuichi Saihara · Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:35 am

In post 1376, DiamondSentinel wrote:
In post 696, Shuichi Saihara wrote:Here's where I'm at

Wick not sure? hated him scumhunting off his wagon. really disagree with some of his lines of attack on kunk.

acid crazy enough to be town? reaction tests are really shit though i'd have shouted him down if i was here and been scumread for it.

Wis idfk, i really really want to hear a solid damn reason for his endless DS defense. I know he's lynchbait but that doesn't mean this can't be the time he's scum.

diamond scum

lycan fucking insane. think his absurdly in depth reading into rqs could be scum trying to look too ridiculous to be scum

brian scum, who replaced this?

kunk scum for 154 hasn't improved since

chara is a little town for tonal reasons and needlessly defending her own semantics

kaede seems town, but i'm still bothered by her predecessor.
I already hit on this before, but this readlist is fake as fuck.

K... why?

In post 1376, DiamondSentinel wrote:
In post 801, Shuichi Saihara wrote:
In post 800, fferyllt wrote:Wickedestjr (5): Wisdom, Lycanfire, DiamondSentinel, Miu Iruma, Viomi
This is literally my best guess at the scum team, sans possibly kunkstar.

In post 805, Shuichi Saihara wrote:Town: Kaede
Townish: Maki, Wicked
Requiring further detective work: Chara, Dunnstral, Wisdom, Lycan
Scummish: Diamond, kunkstar
Scum: Miu, Viomi
Oh look, another shitty readlist that makes no sense whatsoever. For starters, there is no possible way that anyone could read null on Wisdom. Especially with the amount of discredit you give him, between the "he can't be thinking", and "he could be scum" posts.

I don't get how you can asset that a list of names doesn't make sense. I don't get how it's possible to assert that someone couldn't possibly have <an opinion>. I believe the posts you've cited in fact reinforce why I had a null read on Wisdom at this time. I've seen him play scum and generally feel weak in the area of telling the difference, so I'm always going to approach him with caution even though he usually looks quite town.

Don't see much contradiction especially between "not sure about alignment" and "could be scum." Have you considered I meant "could" literally?

In post 1376, DiamondSentinel wrote:
In post 846, Shuichi Saihara wrote:
In post 841, Miu Iruma wrote:Except for Wisdom, Lycanfire, DiamondSentinel, Viomi and me right Pooichi?
Meh, someone being the culprit never stopped him from saying things like that.

I'm sure you all have your reasons for doing bad things.

In post 1105, Shuichi Saihara wrote:
In post 1099, Maki Harukawa wrote:
In post 1094, Shuichi Saihara wrote:
In post 1048, Maki Harukawa wrote:DiamondSentinel Chara Wickedestjr
Kaede Akamatsu
Lycanfire Dunnstral
Shuichi Saihara
kunkstar7 Wisdom

Where I'm at atm.
Your reads are ridiculous.
What are yours?
It's hard to want to answer this knowing you apparently intend on being anti-me regardless of my answer, but whatever

Town: Kaede
Townish: Chara, Lycan
Null: kunkstar, Wisdom, Dunnstral
Scummish: Wicked, Diamond

Not currently attending this read list: Maki

In post 1107, Shuichi Saihara wrote:Although: why does wicked scum leave wisdom and me alive?

In post 1116, Shuichi Saihara wrote:Wisdom could totally be scum. There's only one thing he could do that would make me feel confident in a read on him, and it has not happened.
This is volume 1 in a series of 500 wishy washy comments about Wisdom. He's town, he's scum, he's null, why does scum leave him alive? Backpedalling like a mofo.

I had some trouble making up my mind. Why is that a scum trait?

Though I doubt you will find me outright calling him either town or scum like you claim here so lol.

Yes, wondering why someone isn't dead is a pretty basic level of analysis that's especially relevant to this setup. What of it. And indeed, we now have our explanation: Wicked would have looked suspicious.

Shuichi Saihara · Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:36 am

In post 1379, DiamondSentinel wrote:Everything about your interactions with Wisdom and his recent night kill points to exactly one conclusion.

Wisdom found enough of your scumbuddies that you deemed him a liability and attempted to remove him via discredit, and when that didn't work, a night kill.

If you think Wisdom found my scumbuddies, why do you suspect kunkstar over his actual suspects, Chara and Maki?

Shuichi Saihara · Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:36 am

In post 1381, kunkstar7 wrote:With the Wicked and Wisdom flips I think we are looking at Dunnstral and Maki as two of 3, I'm not sure about Chara or Kaede, and I'll just go with Wisdom on DS. Looking at my end of day note places Lycan pretty squarely on the town side, due to the 2 day long focus on Wicked. Shuichi is another eh slot, but previous reads of Shuichi has me inclined to be slot 3.

Fucking how.

Shuichi Saihara · Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:39 am

I was the primary driver of the Viomi lynch.

I called out Viomi and Wicked's interaction as S/S.

I had about 5000 opportunities to vote Wisdom yesterday.

What are you on?

Shuichi Saihara · Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:43 am

To be fair, the only one not voting scum EOD1 was Dunn randomly unvoting.

Shuichi Saihara · Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:43 am

But you can still have a cookie.

Shuichi Saihara · Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:44 am

Hey Diamond, I notice you were on board the Wicked wagon Day 1.

Where did you go Day 2?

Shuichi Saihara · Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:58 am

man that diamond wagon isn't such a good look for me

it's possible they did make 3 scum wagons tho. we shouldn't dismiss that out of hand. if they were losing someone d1 they'd probably rather lose someone less charismatic.

Shuichi Saihara · Wed Nov 15, 2017 5:02 am

VOTE: Maki

Personally I like Dunn for scum better but I don't want Wis to yell at me from the grave.

Shuichi Saihara · Wed Nov 15, 2017 5:18 am

In post 1400, Chara wrote:no, spit on Wisdom's memory by voting the scum he wasn't pushing. be your own man, Shuichi.

But, I'm his sidekick.

Shuichi Saihara · Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:15 am

In post 1406, DiamondSentinel wrote:I can't see inside your mind, Shuichi. I don't know why you killed him. Frame people? I dunno.

The point is that every interaction with Wisdom points to you as scum.

It's amusing how quickly you've gone from "maybe Shuichi is my third guess" to treating me like confirmed scum.

The point is saying that over and over does not make it so.

Shuichi Saihara · Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:17 am

In post 1406, DiamondSentinel wrote:Bussing, it was fairly obvious, and voting him wouldn't have done anything yesterday since nobody really SR him.

You were scared that if you were aggressive on him, his read would flip and he'd vote you.

It was? funny, I don't recall you saying anything like that at the time. Why did I do this?

Nobody scumread him? Interesting. This vote count tells a different story.

In post 1242, fferyllt wrote:
Vote Count 2-6
Wickedestjr
(4): Wisdom, Lycanfire, Shuichi Saihara, Kaede Akamatsu

Wisdom
(3): Wickedestjr, Maki Harukawa, Dunnstral

kunkstar7
(1): Chara

Not Voting
(2): DiamondSentinel, kunkstar7

Deadline: November 19, Midnight US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2017-11-18 21:00:00)

Mod Notes:

-

Yes, I would have been worried he would switch his vote to me, someone he was wishy washy on, over Wicked, the person he didn't stop yelling about from page 10 to present. That makes sense.

Shuichi Saihara · Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:19 am

This is silly. Scum's nailed to the wall. There's at most one town in Diamond-Maki-Dunn and probably zero. I'm not worried about it.

Shuichi Saihara · Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:45 am

Kunk had a fairly pivotal vote yesterday as well. He could be scum, but I think he's just uncharismatic.

I don't think "deep wolfing" is good play in this setup.

Shuichi Saihara · Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:49 am

In post 1415, Maki Harukawa wrote:I think I want to vote in klunk and Lycan today.

Dunnstral doesn't bother you at all? You seemed familiar with him. He's doing jack shit, popping in to be wishy-washy and leaving. He also voted wrong yesterday. Is that what you expect from him?

Shuichi Saihara · Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:00 am

In post 1420, Maki Harukawa wrote:
In post 1397, Shuichi Saihara wrote:VOTE: Maki

Personally I like Dunn for scum better but I don't want Wis to yell at me from the grave.
Own up to your vote on me by the way, if you're gonna vote me do it because you scumread me not because of someone in the gy. Be a man about it

Spoiler:

Fair. But NKA is part of the reason you're on my list.

I suppose it's possible my reads were great but killing me was seen as dangerous for that same reason (and because diamond apparently thinks I'm a mislynch for some reason), but that's not my interpretation atm.

In post 1421, DiamondSentinel wrote:
In post 1407, Chara wrote:answer my question, Diamond?
you didn't answer Shuichi's 1383. why aren't you following Wisdom's actual scumreads if your narrative is that he was killed because he has Shuichi's team down?
Sorry. My point with saying "I can't see inside your head" is that I don't necessarily strictly believe Wisdom's reads. I presented the whole "you were scared of him pegging you" at Shuichi to say "I don't know why scum killed him, considering I don't trust his reads". I do know that there was a reason however.

So you said one thing to mean a completely different and unrelated thing! Of course, why didn't I see it?

Shuichi Saihara · Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:07 am

In post 1424, Maki Harukawa wrote:What points to scum me killing Miu since you think it's dumb if anyone doesn't kill Wisdom.

I haven't figured out why anyone would do that other than, as some have pointed out, to try and eliminate a Wicked vote in a lowkey manner.

Shuichi Saihara · Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:23 am

Perhaps I shouldn't analyze the NK too much considering how much scum saw us try to analyze the first one, but at the same time, this was their last chance to eliminate someone and they needed to set up three straight wins. There's no way they'd have wasted that chance, and it was clearly a big mistake to leave Wis alive the first time.

Now, they can only lynch or discredit their detractors, which likely explains the overall approach to me.

Shuichi Saihara · Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:24 am

I agree.

Shuichi Saihara · Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:35 am

Spoiler:

Shuichi Saihara · Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:50 am

I kind of think this is a latch ditch crazy gambit. <_>

Shuichi Saihara · Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:50 am

Last*

Shuichi Saihara · Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:52 am

It's because I believe in her!

(I am probably capable of trying to produce a real response to this, though I'm not sure how much I feel like it at the moment.)

Shuichi Saihara · Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:32 am

I don't know how to read this so I guess I'll just shut up for a while.

Shuichi Saihara · Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:50 am

Is this that "absurdist humor" thing I've been hearing so much about in relation to kids these days?

Shuichi Saihara · Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:53 am

Also I definitely am not just townreading Kaede for flavor reasons but I mean.

Spoiler:

Shuichi Saihara · Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:56 am

Maybe scum just want to hang out in their PT for a bit.

Reminisce about the good days they didn't have.

Shuichi Saihara · Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:44 am

VOTE: Dunnstral

Shuichi Saihara · Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:45 am

Actually maybe I should keep waiting and seeing.

UNVOTE:

Shuichi Saihara · Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:09 am

I don't really feel the need to discuss 1503 in greater depth right now.

Shuichi Saihara · Fri Nov 17, 2017 12:57 pm

Maki, self-lynching makes even less sense in this game.

Shuichi Saihara · Fri Nov 17, 2017 12:57 pm

In post 1512, kunkstar7 wrote:Maki selfvoting is a pretty shitty thing to do, but it doesn't really hold much sway in my read on her. It means we should probably just do Dunnstral first, but that's still giving the gambit more than it should be worth.

What we do first actually matters quite a bit.

Shuichi Saihara · Sat Nov 18, 2017 2:48 pm

In post 1543, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:
In post 1540, Maki Harukawa wrote:Is Maki scum gambiting!?

She is!>>>>

<<<<She isn't!

take your side!
I feel tempted to reply to this Debate Scrum style...

*rocket noise*

Kaede!

Shuichi Saihara · Sat Nov 18, 2017 2:49 pm

Also I think there were things I wanted to respond to but later.

Shuichi Saihara · Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:32 am

In post 1521, Kaede Akamatsu wrote: But the self-vote is literally suicide to do as scum, since literally she getting lynched today as scum = scum lose, which led me to think she was possibly town, but there's also truth in what she said earlier about she being able to pull a stunt like this as scum.

And then I just keep spinning around in my head, part of me wants to just townread her for as long as she wants to lynch herself, part of me just want to flat out townread her regardless of whether she's lynched today or not. Until I realized that I just cant flat out ignore it no matter how hard I try, and now im unsure on how to proceed from here, because if she's town lynching her would be VERY bad.

I am here as well. It's unfortunate.

In post 1522, Maki Harukawa wrote:Why is it very bad for scum to get 1 point.
I think we should talk on Dunn because if he's scum he'll prob leave do you think he's scum?

Because each point we miss gives scum the chance to adjust the gamestate to their liking.

In post 1530, Maki Harukawa wrote:The points that make me want to tr dunn is him sring me is NAI but I think he really believes in that sr plus I think his struggle on the end of day wagons given both are scum could be real and he was really debating on it. He could've just unvoted to not vote a buddy but it was clear they were getting lynched (1 of the 2) so why wait.

I kind of want to know where this went and how it meshes with some later post I didn't quote apparently that seems contradictory.

In post 1533, Lycanfire wrote: 1) We have two mislynches
2) All scum are confirmed to have bussed
3) Complexity of the game state
4) The necessity of PoE

1) This is true, but each one we use makes our chances of getting the following one right worse.
2) Day 1, sure. Not everyone bussed Day 2, or if they did we can find them by their not having tried very hard to accomplish it. That should be key, as Day 2 is a much less attractive bussing opportunity.
3) It's a mess.
4) It depends on how you work. If you have scumreads great. If you don't, lynch your nontownreads, that's fine. I feel that having strong townreads is made more possible by the structure of this game. Also, I want to POE the fuck out of Diamond because nearly everyone else keeps giving town glimmers.

In post 1556, DiamondSentinel wrote:Dear lord, this Maki fiasco is awful. I'm starting to wonder if scum's trying to get town apathy to rise so that they can control the wagons.

'Cause I'm feeling the apathy right now.

Purely because of this fiasco, I am 100% fine with a Maki lynch today. Absolutely horrific.

Dat non-town perspective. WHy am I not yelling to get this lynched? Ugh.

In post 1557, Maki Harukawa wrote:
In post 1555, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:Huh?, wait, why are you scumreading Shuichi Maki?
If there is a deep wolf I would mostly bet on it being him but that option should only be considered after the first 3 are out of the pool

Again, there's little sense in doing this in this game.

In post 1570, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 1562, Dunnstral wrote:VOTE: Maki Harukawa

In post 1563, Maki Harukawa wrote:VOTE: Dunn
hmm

This post is ass. You've already posted since her vote.

I've had the impression you were usually an active player. But apparently I was wrong? Or do you just hate scum?

Shuichi Saihara · Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:34 am

In post 1571, Shuichi Saihara wrote:Again, there's little sense in doing this in this game.

(Specifically, as scum I don't run out a Viomi wagon with Wisdom in the game, town, and yelling about Wicked, call the interaction scum theater and then leave Wisdom alive. I lynch Wicked, try to look good doing it and hope Viomi can recover.)

Shuichi Saihara · Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:18 am

Really making extra effort to understand that post actually did help me see where you're coming from. There are some parts that elude me, but I think there were some solid points as well.

I'm trying to figure out whether they are better than my concerns about Dunnstral.

Shuichi Saihara · Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:30 am

Well, I don't think the scum really planned on doing that Day 1. I'm guessing it happened to them because a lot of the loud voices were town.

Shuichi Saihara · Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:00 am

In post 1580, DiamondSentinel wrote:Maki's constant TR is making me extremely uneasy. It reminds what Shinobi did in Antihero v. Fakegod, trying to get me to townread them by townreading me a whole bunch...

I'm going to wait until we get another VC before doing anything, though. I don't want to prematurely hammer.

Makes no sense. She has explained this read thoroughly.

I do not want anyone to hammer anything just yet. There is more to be gained from this day.

Shuichi Saihara · Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:59 am

In post 1585, DiamondSentinel wrote:It's that the read exists from someone so vehemently townreading me, yet appears suspicious.

I don't understand what you mean by this.

Shuichi Saihara · Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:00 am

It SOUNDS like you're saying you suspect Maki because she is townreading you hard and you already suspect her, which seems like circular logic at best?

I wonder how this exchange will affect some of the things Lycan has been thinking.

Shuichi Saihara · Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:18 am

I guess I just don't think that makes much sense. What is she supposed to do if she's town and you suspect her?

Shuichi Saihara · Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:19 am

Whatever I don't really care about this and I'm not interested in another snippy response so don't bother

Shuichi Saihara · Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:31 am

Unfortunately that doesn't work so well in this setup. We really need the whole town on board to win, and it's important enough that I at one point considered advocating for a Diamond lynch on the grounds that he'll blow the game if he's not scum.

Shuichi Saihara · Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:28 am

That vote count does not bode paricularly well for my sense of the gme.

Shuichi Saihara · Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:04 am

I suppose I've been waiting for Diamond to vote before giving my thoughts. But I can just give them.

Basically I've been thinking that I would hammer Maki. Even though my personal read has Dunn scummier, I want to trust in Wisdom, and it gives me the heebie-jeebies that Chara and Maki (his top picks) are voting together. Moreover, I trust Kaede to be town, whether or not she's correct. So if there's a scum-led wagon here, it looks like it's Dunn. But it also seems quite possible that both could be town. I did want to make sure that selfvote stunt isn't something Maki exclusively pulls as town before I vote, and I haven't gotten around to that.

There is absolutely no chance both of these wagons are on scum because scum would be looking for a third option if that were the case. This seems painfully obvious.

Shuichi Saihara · Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:05 am

Part of my whole thing today has been waiting to see what scum would do. I was hoping they would object to some way that things were going and create an obvious desperation play. Clearly, they are happy with their votes right now, whether that's because they're all voting the same townie or whether these wagons are both bad so they're cool with whatever.

Shuichi Saihara · Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:28 am

Well, I absolutely do not think Dunnstral has played a town game at all to speak of, and that's not changing anytime soon

But the way the votes are panning out right now suggest to me that my view of the game state is wrong -- that's why I'm taking Wisdom's into account. Not to mention, it's a bit odd for you to take this stance when you were the one just a few pages ago saying you wanted to die so we could follow your reads.

It wouldn't be the first game I won because of listening to Wisdom's corpse.

Shuichi Saihara · Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:50 am

I mean I could be dishonest and pretend that's not what I'm doing but what would be the point of that apart from making you feel better?

Shuichi Saihara · Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:31 am

I am not particularly worried about heat.

Shuichi Saihara · Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:33 am

Fucking hell I don't feel good about anything.

Shuichi Saihara · Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:08 am

Shuichi Saihara · Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:44 am

I hate that the dynamic makes me feel like I'm going to be a mislynch now if Maki's town and I don't lynch her.

Shuichi Saihara · Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:46 am

Although this game's been kind of fun I don't think I'd do the setup again.

It's weird and stressful.

Shuichi Saihara · Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:50 am

Could I be

that

wrong?

Shuichi Saihara · Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:01 pm

In post 1639, Chara wrote:
In post 1635, Shuichi Saihara wrote:I hate that the dynamic makes me feel like I'm going to be a mislynch now if Maki's town and I don't lynch her.
come again? do you mean if you do?

No, I mean if I don't, leaving her in the game and voting my face.

Shuichi Saihara · Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:02 pm

In post 1640, Chara wrote:
In post 1638, Shuichi Saihara wrote:Could I be
that
wrong?
i'm extremely used to being wrong. i don't know you well enough to say.

I am too. I thought I was really hot this game though.

And usually I'm not wrong about really solid TRs.

Shuichi Saihara · Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:03 pm

Also I tried to meta dunn and have determined sucking this bad is out of his everything range.

Shuichi Saihara · Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:43 pm

It's kind of remarkable how Maki's read of me moves in tandem with how likely it look that I might not vote for her!

Shuichi Saihara · Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:46 pm

I think I could probably keep rolling around uselessly here forever.

Shuichi Saihara · Wed Nov 22, 2017 3:35 pm

Dear lord what do I do with this

Shuichi Saihara · Thu Nov 23, 2017 6:17 pm

In post 1753, Chara wrote:Shuichi, what are you thinking right now?

Shuichi Saihara · Thu Nov 23, 2017 6:19 pm

All three of you keep feeling really town to me and I'm going to feel like a fucking idiot when one of you turns out not to be.

Shuichi Saihara · Thu Nov 23, 2017 6:22 pm

Do I trust myself? Can I trust anyone else, living or otherwise? I know that no matter who is scum the dead thread is screeching at me like an army of crazed harpies.

Shuichi Saihara · Thu Nov 23, 2017 6:24 pm

I still think that if there's scum posting on this page it's Maki.

Could it be no one? Are the scum just sitting in hidey holes and praying?

I don't get it.

Did Lycan bus the fuck out of Wicked for two days for no reason? Was I right about Diamond all along or deluding myself? Why on earth would Dunn/Lycan/Diamond get rid of Wisdom?

Shuichi Saihara · Thu Nov 23, 2017 6:25 pm

I've typed out innumerable Dunnstral votes today.