Mini 1955: Perpetual MYLO III - Game Over!

[Shuichi Saihara]

And he's still not even fucking here.

[Shuichi Saihara]

The vote counts (yes, you heard me right) are blowing a hole in my desire to randomly vote kunkstar.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Spoiler:

I just don't know what to do. I can come up with reasons everyone should be town.

[Shuichi Saihara]

kunkstar has fewer posts than UC Voyager.

[Shuichi Saihara]

I have been. I was hoping some insight would reveal itself, because I am at a loss.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Instead now I have 2 pages of you Chara and Maki all sounding town.

Are the scum just so demotivated they're lurking it out? How are there three scum. Does someone, as Chara would put it, just fucking suck as risk-reward calculations?

[Shuichi Saihara]

Do I trust myself? Can I trust anyone else, living or otherwise? I know that no matter who is scum the dead thread is screeching at me like an army of crazed harpies.

All you have to do is lynch scum

What is with the constant self depreciation?

It is called a personality.

I doubt myself constantly in mafia and in life.

Sue me.

[Shuichi Saihara]

VOTE: Dunnstral

[Shuichi Saihara]

I choose to trust myself. Come what may.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Shuichi when you were considering Makidunnstral earlier did you consider their exchange theatre

I don't see it as a possibility because they both were willing to votepark each other at L-2. Either could have easily been lynched there, and for that reason I believe one or zero of them is scum.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Why would I bus Wicked with the express interest in getting Acid next and get angry when scum reverse the lynch order on me? There is a reason I dug in day 2: because the acid lynch did not make Wicked look in any way different, and 100% of my effort yesterday was placed in justifying the lynch in the context that Wicked was still scum.

Well, that's my reasoning for seeing you as town.

I think you'd have to have played pretty badly to be scum.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Your town can't be yourself/kaede/maki/chara and 1 of myself/diamond/kunkstar. Your reads are massively off.

All the same, that's where I find myself, possibly sans Makitown.

I have really strong townreads on Kaede and Chara and I might lose the game over it if I'm wrong on either.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Argh.

I am not voting Kaede/Chara/Lycan today.

The rest is sludge. Three of the four are scum, though, from where I sit.

[Shuichi Saihara]

VOTE: kunkstar

[Shuichi Saihara]

WHo do you think is scum with Lycan and Dunn, then? It seems like your only options given your recent posts are kunkstar and me.

[Shuichi Saihara]

bringing this back. relevant to you, Shuichi.

The scumteam has 5 people and I only count 4 there unless you're calling me scum.

[Shuichi Saihara]

dat 1801 to 1802 tho.

this seems to have flown over your head shuichi.

Completely, yes.

WHo do you think is scum with Lycan and Dunn, then? It seems like your only options given your recent posts are kunkstar and me.

correct!

Then what's so wrong with my vote?

[Shuichi Saihara]

Kaede, the reason I initially town read you had to do with your treatment of your predecessor's vote iirc. I didn't think that felt like a scum move, to abdicate responsibility in that manner. There may have been more to it at the time, as well, I'd have to check back.

[Shuichi Saihara]

It occurs to me that if I'm right about my lock towns and right that Maki and Dunn aren't crossbussing then I have diamond and kunkstar scum.

That does feel simplistic and easy but low charisma scum explains some of this game.

[Shuichi Saihara]

So I was thinking about it, and when I posted this before sleeping:

Shuichi has left me alone to fend myself against the wolves trying to eat me

I wasnt actually thinking about it in mafia terms, just how in the way it felt to me how shuichi left me on my own.
Now that im thinking about it logically instead of emotionally... that's exactly what happened, Shuichi left me alone and both Chara and Maki came hard at me.
The thing with this is that for this to make sense the scumteam has to be exactly Chara/Maki/Shuichi, and I have a hard time seeing that for some reason...

This is mostly tinfoil, but it's a start.

Kaede.

[Shuichi Saihara]

You're overreacting to the fact that I took a step back today as though it were something I was doing just because I was out to get you.

I've explained why I've done it. Not to mention, I couldn't vote you without claiming scum anyhow. If I'm scum, clearly my plan isn't to lynch you. But I'm also not.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Q: Why has town been able to get two good lynches with minimal resistance?
A: The scum are low impact and/or lurking.

Gee, who has been lurking the hardest?

[Shuichi Saihara]

Does anyone have any reason for kunkstar town that doesn't have to do with Wicked voting him Day 1?

[Shuichi Saihara]

Really think we need to stop with the "3 scumwagons = impossible" logic.

[Shuichi Saihara]

It's not it just feels unlikely given how scum were going at this game

???

[Shuichi Saihara]

Looking at recent interactions, Shuichi looks like scum desperately trying to save his teammate(s). I can't exactly figure out who'd they be, but I don't like his increasingly desperate tone.

This doesn't make sense, but hey, I don't expect goats to suddenly produce gold instead of milk!

[Shuichi Saihara]

You know what else would be fun? Colored Vote counts!

Wickedestjr

(4):

Wisdom

, Lycanfire, DiamondSentinel,

Miu Iruma

DiamondSentinel

(3):

Viom

i, Shuichi Saihara, Dunnstral

kunkstar7

(2):

Wickedestjr

, Maki Harukawa

Viomi

(2): Chara,

Kaede Akamatsu

Not Voting (1): kunkstar7

I mean why not, they catch scum 100% of the time, you're already halfway there, might as well go all in no?

(That was sarcasm btw)

You're right. That's what we need! How could I not have thought of this sooner!

[Shuichi Saihara]

Scum-Shuichi, Kunk

You're aware I'm currently voting him, are you not?

FOr someone who's been so rock hard for a scumread on me the whole game you sure haven't ever explained it or voted me.

[Shuichi Saihara]

viomi was called town because it was a scum counterwagon.

Says you.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Chara isn't happening. If you're that convinced she's scum, hunt her buddies. You are lynching her today over my dead body.

[Shuichi Saihara]

It.

[Shuichi Saihara]

I am doing something. I don't see a team not having kunkstar on it. I'm trying to lynch him.

[Shuichi Saihara]

"attributing motive to anything is pointless. btw kunkstar is definitely scum"

i don't know what this means.

[Shuichi Saihara]

because scum were shit and thought it would change something. justify how viomi isn't a scumwagon.

I believe the burden of proof lies with the asserter.

[Shuichi Saihara]

A Maki vote is something I can at least understand and consider.

[Shuichi Saihara]

I just wish Dunn wasn't playing like a jester. Then I could get behind it a lot more easily.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Viomi was run into the ground by me. If there were one or two scum on the wagon, that's fine.

[Shuichi Saihara]

I guess I just think if you're going to say things like "this wagon was scumdriven," you should be backing it up with things like "here's why this hop onto the wagon is scummy" and not "I independently scumread a bunch of people on the wagon" because at that point you might as well save time and call those people scum without referring to the wagon at all if it's not actually relevant.

[Shuichi Saihara]

I suspect him because I have no reason not to. Chara and Kaede have bled town as far as I'm concerned all game. We got some easy points and I feel scum playing like shit is to blame, so I'm looking at our resident playing-like-shit folks. I thought he was town once upon a time for voting Viomi and that's not important anymore. He's not scumhunting or even trying.

I could maybe go for Diamond. I'm a little worried he's just this bad, but there's no room for that anymore.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Also if those two aren't both scum I've got no bloody clue who is, since I'm eliminating a Maki/Dunn team.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Again, it's mostly because I think the scumteam haven't been a big presence and that's why we were able to get two points.

[Shuichi Saihara]

I haven't even isoed him, I just have no reason to think he's town.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Quite possibly. Is there some reason he can't be?

[Shuichi Saihara]

I don't follow. What's special about that pair?

[Shuichi Saihara]

At this point, my feeling toward this game is exhaustion.

[Shuichi Saihara]

At this point, my feeling toward this game is exhaustion.

answer the question

You mean about kunkstar and maki? I thought I did: sure, I don't see why not. I think he is scum with either maki or dunn.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Of course, if my conclusions are right at this point then lycan would have to be scum so the vote were missing would then be maki/dunn.

[Shuichi Saihara]

At this point, my feeling toward this game is exhaustion.

answer the question

You mean about kunkstar and maki? I thought I did: sure, I don't see why not. I think he is scum with either maki or dunn.

LOOK AT THE DAY 1 WAGON AND TELL ME AGAIN IT WASN'T CHOSEN BY SCUM. TELL ME IT DOESN'T MATTER IF "ONE OR TWO" SCUM JOINED YOUR WAGON.

It's possible it was and possible it wasn't.

I will happily tell you I don't think that matters.

I don't understand why you are so fixated on this.

[Shuichi Saihara]

I can go back to Maki. Maki was at L-1 and Shuichi didn't hammer. We can't get his vote.

Was it? Huh.

It might be telling that it didn't go through from there I guess.

[Shuichi Saihara]

If it's on scum it isn't going through because I'm not voting it.

this is why it's not going through. because you're town.

Maki-Dunn bussing??

[Shuichi Saihara]

Who do you think is scum chara

If kunk is scum we have to assume scum won't vote him now

I ask because I didn't think maki dunn was a possible pair but we currently have neither of their votes and you're asserting lycan is town.

[Shuichi Saihara]

I guess i'm interested to see what happens when dunn and maki check in.

[Shuichi Saihara]

I literally laid the framework out for Shuichi and asked him if he was sure re: day 1 wagon. He denied continually, but I knew he wanted Kunkstar too. I pointed out to him he was going to say something dumb. That's not chess, that's basic math. Three scum at the tail end of the wagon with his theory, yet he wants to make it seem like the collapse of the D1 Kunkstar wagon was nothing to be worried about.

As I've said repeatedly, I did not understand your point. I find your posts difficult to follow. You often assume I still know what you're talking about when I've long since forgotten.

Now that I understand the words you are saying, I still think you are nuts.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Maki has solved the game and the all-town wagon succeeds no reason for her not to vote here, right?

Yeah, there wasn't.

I don't know why we got a sudden stream of unvotes. It looks to me like we had it right.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Kunkstar isn't an acceptable lynch when maki is stuck in this cross with me, she thinks she can still get me out (or if kunk is scum what does that mean for chara?)

Don't be stupid. A scum lynch ends the game.

But perhaps you know that!

[Shuichi Saihara]

I hate all of you.

I'll hate you so, so, so much more if you end up mislynching me on a future day.

[Shuichi Saihara]

The only reason I'll even consider ever voting Chara is that she's suddenly bumped me into the mislynch pool after her earlier posts.

As she's pointed out her tone all game couldn't have been more town.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Lycan is not impossible.

[Shuichi Saihara]

I don't know why we got a sudden stream of unvotes. It looks to me like we had it right.

So where are your reads?, if we did have it right it means that everyone that was voting kunk + maki are town.
Sorry, it's just that we were discussing the possibility of Lycan town meaning scum Kunk never getting lynched then Maki comes in with the hammer threat and paranoia took the best out of me.

I guess I don't get why you'd be paranoid about her not hammering.

It's not possible to say whether she was the missing town vote or not voting her buddy.

My reads remain as they were: makidunn/diamond/kunkstar. However I acknowledge they are clearly wrong given diamond's vote placement and am open to alternatives. lycan scum is more appealing tome than you or chara, so I can accept it since that's kind of what it looks like is happening.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Then why is Maki the one you're talking to about hammering you?

Unless you're attempting reverse psychology and know she is the needed vote :}

[Shuichi Saihara]

And I doubted myself, but actually my day-start reads were fine. Two scum right, one wrong, that's good. Tch.

[Shuichi Saihara]

I will need to reread the dunn maki interactions.

However, I believe maki's hammer and post afterwards constitute a scum claim.

I will not be around today.

[Shuichi Saihara]

It's kind of insane to me that thats what wakes you up but ok

[Shuichi Saihara]

VOTE: Maki

With the surviving playerlist... yeah.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Even if that hammer isn't an outright scumclaim, which it is, there's no way I don't do this. Everyone else seems too town. I know one of them is scum, but whatever.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Yes, I'm aware. I don't have a great explanation.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Well, it helps that you claimed scum in twilight and them changed your mind about leaving.

[Shuichi Saihara]

I pray for a gg

This

[Shuichi Saihara]

I think Maki's frustration is towny.

The who's scum?

[Shuichi Saihara]

To me it sounds like, "have a gg, bye"

She hasn't explained it either.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Fuck, I get it now.

[Shuichi Saihara]

No one's scum :/

[Shuichi Saihara]

No one's scum :/

????

I just don't see how you or chara or lycan can be scum here.

[Shuichi Saihara]

I feel like I'm singlehandedly blowing this game and I feel terrible about it.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Last time I didn't trust myself and we fucked up.

VOTE: Diamond

If nothing else, that isn't how I want to lose.

[Shuichi Saihara]

I'd appreciate Dunnstral stop lurking. But I doubt that's going to happen any time soon.
Kunk needs to eat rope for lurking so much. 39 posts over 3 days is unacceptable in any conditions.

... y'know...

[Shuichi Saihara]

I don't know who anyone's partner would be.

No idea at all.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Diamond never stopped voting kunkstar yesterday.

[Shuichi Saihara]

I could ask anyone scumreading me who my partner would be too :p

It seems to me that my only plausible partner here would be Chara.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Dimond wicked vio would've had to do a triple person bus.......ZZZZZZZZZZZ

What do you mean by triple person bus? He didn't bus viomi

[Shuichi Saihara]

Mm. I feel like it's somewhat reasonable to think vio and Wicked might have bussed a visibly weak partner, and he's always been clearly a weak player.

[Shuichi Saihara]

And I don't see diamond bussing viomi anywhere.

[Shuichi Saihara]

I'm keeping my vote on Lycan I think only 1 scum was on that end of day wagon so that makes Lycan scum in all cases who was wanting me to hammer Klunk and was defending Dunn

I suggest you all join me here

You need a better reason.

[Shuichi Saihara]

I see no upside to answering that so I'm not going to.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Where did that come from?? I don't see what happened to change you off diamond.

Do you think his yelling at me yesterday is theater?

[Shuichi Saihara]

His = lycan.

[Shuichi Saihara]

if you have nothing to say you should be voting

[Shuichi Saihara]

I'm not compromising. I'm voting the person I think is most likely to be scum.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Shuichi, who do you think Diamond's partner is?

Don't know don't care, at this moment.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Well I mean it better be lycan or we are about to have a bad time. Maki is my other pick. No I havent checked to see if that makes sense.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Well I mean it better be lycan or we are about to have a bad time. Maki is my other pick. No I havent checked to see if that makes sense.

What do you mean "It better be Lycan"?

Because he seems inclined to refuse to vote there.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Yeah I'm getting burned out a bit and this game has felt for a while like something I'm just destined to fuck up. I am not really looking forward to getting hated on for blowing it.

[Shuichi Saihara]

I'm not voting chara or Kaede either unless I'm in 3p lylo with both of them.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Ah! I understand now, you're saying that if Lycan's scum then you shouldn't have to worry about lynching DS then?

I'm saying if he's town then I won't be able to lynch DS.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Ah! I understand now, you're saying that if Lycan's scum then you shouldn't have to worry about lynching DS then?

I'm saying if he's town then I won't be able to lynch DS.

And im saying that if Maki's town as I currently believe you wont be able to lynch him either so...

Well I'm still going to try. Maybe I'll even attempt to explain, though anyone who's read my posts all game basically knows what I'm planning to repeat.

[Shuichi Saihara]

You want Maki and Diamond. Why Diamond over Maki?

I'm more confident.

[Shuichi Saihara]

With Dunnstral as scum I have to eliminate one, and that is Diamond because my conclusions from Maki associations no longer made sense (they marked a clear difference in how she treated the two slots).

I would love to see an attempt to persuade me that Maki was bussing Dunn. Like, with analysis of how that interaction went down.

Although chances are the only thing that could possibly convince me is my own analysis and I should reread it.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Combo?

It's a 1x combo where I get Diamond lynched and we all celebrate at the pub.

[Shuichi Saihara]

I believe that when Kaede, Chara and I are the only survivors, the town will have won. I don't especially care who Diamond's partner is except insofar as I need the other person's vote.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Shuichi not voting Lycan is pinging my radar HARD

I think he knows I'd be clear and never take my vote off him in the finals

...Dude. Why would I vote Lycan if I expected that by doing so I would cause there to BE a finals?

Not to mention, if you've been reading my posts this game or even today it should be apparent that it'd be kind of weird if I up and switched.

[Shuichi Saihara]

so anyway that could be a scumslip

[Shuichi Saihara]

Plus if Lycan is town and dies I am the clear of this game

i don't actually understand why you keep saying this

[Shuichi Saihara]

Shuichi. if you don't believe Lycan is scum, please interact with his posting on me. i'm so tired of refuting it.

It's hard to address his posts when I often feel like they come from an alternate reality.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Lycanfire (2): Kaede Akamatsu, Maki Harukawa
DiamondSentinel (2): Shuichi Saihara, Chara

Watch this just be the town all voting scum.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Well if you don't like it be more convincing

[Shuichi Saihara]

Prod recieved.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Alright, I'll set myself a task.

I'd like to take an intellectually honest (i.e. sans my existing beliefs) look at the game. Hopefully this will either show me where I've gone wrong or convince you all that I'm right.

I'm being a bit ambitious, but we'll see what I can do.

[Shuichi Saihara]

I am on page 9 and I've already written a wall. Please send help.

Whether it makes any kind of sense, I'm not certain.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Please unvote.

[Shuichi Saihara]

I would like to finish this today and I already have one Lycan-town point so that should factor in.

[Shuichi Saihara]

You will recall that L-1 in this setup is dangerous.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Thank you.

[Shuichi Saihara]

UNVOTE:

While I work on stuff.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Kinda running out of steam, but I'm hoping to post a whole thing at once for dramatic effect.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Progress: 21.1%

Likely all I will get done today

[Shuichi Saihara]

Kinda running out of steam, but I'm hoping to post a whole thing at once for dramatic effect.

This is why I pushed for L-1. The game is slowing down dangerously.

I mean ok but I had literally just said I was working on something.

Also this is a sensible thing to do in a normal game but I don't think it is in this one.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Kaede, I think you're better off not trying to follow your predeccesor's reads? And forming your own. Especially in this scenario where he didn't actually explain his read beyond him knowing it

lollerskates. how did we miss this?

also i finally know who kaede is now

[Shuichi Saihara]

i'm not so good at that

[Shuichi Saihara]

54.7%

[Shuichi Saihara]

huffing. puffing. et cetera.

my post is getting worse, so that's great!

[Shuichi Saihara]

Alright, so I don't think I earned this, but since it was in effect promised:

[Shuichi Saihara]

-Act 1-

hard to say for my scumgame, only times i have been for long periods of time have been in a hydra where i let Almost50 lead. i guess i'm pretty good at looking town there too.

I should make a note of this for later, as I know there will be places where I think Chara's behavior is too townie to suspect. By her own admission, perhaps I should cast a sidelong glance at these moments.

Wicked is getting into a little debate with Diamond early -- but it's theory. Diamond's early statement that he won't vote wicked because he doesn't feel like "spreading votes around" reminds me of another hesitance to vote of his somewhere recent.

"best two out of three"

Could this be a townslip?

As for your other parts, the first part I don't have much of a retort to. As you said, experiences differ. But the second, I'm saying you seem either scummy or just a subpar player. Prove me wrong, though.

I don't see much reason to say this about Wicked at this time.

Any other game, and I'd vote you.

And anyways, I think that he's lynchbait, ergo a poor player, more than scum.

So I'm a 'poor' player and I'm lynch-bait, but you would have voted me if this were a regular game? That doesn't make sense.

wrong reaction

correct reaction is: VOTE: diamondsentinel

This seems important.

not used to acidphoenix being such a tryhard

Nor is she, apparently.

107: Note that Chara reading my predecessor as obvtown is consistent.

Unvote. Vote: DiamondSentinel

-Contradicted himself by saying I'm a poor player/lynchbait but also that he'd have voted me if this were a regular game.
-Don't like how he discredited my gambit or my vote for Maki.
-Ignoring my questions in 50-51.
-His exchange with acid phoenix on page 4 is just weird. Diamond, what are you trying to do there? Are you trying to say that you think acid is scum?

And I think his actions are suspicious regardless of Maki's alignment, but I could definitely see him and Maki being scum together.

1. I always vote lynchbait D1. D1 rarely gets a decent lynch anyways, so might as well thin the stupidity in the thread D1. I don't really feel like that's what we should do here, though.

If you want me to vote you, I can do that.

2. I didn't discredit it, as there was no credit or merit due it in the first place.
3. What question?
4.

Yes, acid is quite obviously scum. As for why I'm not voting him in the first place? Eh, good point.

VOTE: acid

This would be rather a lot of bussing. Too much? However, if Diamond is town here I can only think that scum should be trying to mislynch him (Day 4). I will insert a preconcieved notion here that this player is quite easy to lynch. So why haven't I been able to lynch him yet?

Even Brian is going after Diamond here. Do we think scum deliberately planned to bus Day 1 and let whoever survived carry the team? Also, fuck me for forgetting about Brian's slot obviously being scum.

because the setup means that setting up a path to victory is the correct route not day-to-day

[directed to diamond] Huh. You think acid is quite obviously scum but you just forgot to mention that and neglected to vote for him until now? Why is he quite obviously scum?

This scumteam makes me feel like a crazy person. But it wouldn't if I stopped thinking Diamond was scum. I seem to be bad at following my own premise.
And after this Diamond answers essentially with, "no reason." ...

Gambit? I don't believe it for a second
Town that honestly believe you had figured out all scum? Sure, I'll buy that
Something else? Yes, I think that you are too loud for your own good and you're going to try to take charge of the game and drive it into the ground. So either you're scum and trying to take charge to ruin town, or you're town and going to lead us into the ground.

I still don't quite see where Diamond got this idea that Wicked is a bad player, but I guess this is kind of a town post.

Well, at least Wicked is in here trying to lynch Diamond. That's good. It's clear to me in 185 that he really wants this lynch and thinks he can get it (not that it's impossible this could be to look good). He also pushes the "you should be expunged for being bad town" line that I'm a bit ashamed to have parroted myself (mostly because it's scum saying it).

DiamondSentinel (3): acidphoenix, Wickedestjr, Brian Skies

Arghwghgh. I guess I would get this as a bus though because Wicked looked a lot more like a deep player between the two.

I arrive at Lycan 196, the first time I learned that the man is certifiably nuts. I can't help but think his RQS seems a bit like busywork to give himself something to talk about along with entry. Wonder if he commonly stumbles at the start. However, I like his Wicked vote here as well as the reasoning behind it. Notwithstanding that he will also proceed to tunnel Wicked... and I'll reiterate that knowing what we do about the flipped scum (acidphoenix and Brian were both playing very lynchable games here), I can't help but think bussing Wicked early Day 1 just isn't a good move... and sure enough, we don't have any flipped scum doing that.

Acid is 100% a lynch on a Wicked scumflip.

!!!!!!!
I don't understand much of the logic behind this conclusion, though. I think what I'm getting is: lycan asked a question, but acid answered a different question and then complained that she was forced to explain that.
I think Lycan is quite possibly town here. (Again.) I'm sure his 197 is probably a solid post but as usual with Lycan it seems to me like a string of completely unrelated ideas. This is something I've complained about wrt him all game, though, I just can't follow him between points.

I find myself hoping the direction I'm hitting will survive contact with Chara supertownposting later on.

It's so hard for me to reconcile Diamond-town with the alive list as of Day 4. Especially if I'm also going Lycan-town. That would have to mean that someone has absolutely destroyed me.

VOTE: Klunk

Does scum Maki post this after Wicked's attempted compromise lynch is followed by a naked vote from Brian?

Mulch enters. This will be interesting now, with the knowledge that Michael was scum. But with Mulch entering first, I think it's totally possible that Michael had no choice but to go with the bus. It's also possible that the two of them were really excited about being scum together.

Upon arriving at post 281, I learn that scum don't have daytalk. I presumably knew this at some point but I sure as shit forgot.

I flat-out said why: because he had nothing better to do! He was sitting on a scumread on Diamond, and openly said he would not move votes. Wicked took a detour in putting down Kunkstar, which he later stated to UCV as being his primary inspiration to vote him [kunk]. In the immediate post after putting down Kunkstar, he puts down acidphoenix, for reasons I stated were not bad reasons IF you were to ignore that Wicked briefly had the same thoughts previously- see his early 'gambit'!

Once again, I don't fully understand all parts of this but it seems like a curious scum-scum interaction. Also, I probably wouldn't say no to eliminating Lycan-Chara after this post, not that it's still a question with him going hard on it today.

Read the fucking setup Mulch.

Hey- woulden't I know this if I was scum?

So you think I'm town or scum?

You would also know this if you're town because it's in the god damn setup.

Therefore, it's super fake.

QED: You're scum.

I guess you're not gonna like this post, then. Sorry babe. At least you're not afraid to make enemies?

To repeat: I found it disingenuous that you just happened to determine I was your top suspect for completely different reasons from Wisdom/Diamond's and didn't have anything to say about my 'gambit' or my vote for Diamond. As I said in that post, "It feels like he's just trying to come up with his own justification for voting me to avoid being attacked for opportunism, rather than genuinely finding me more suspicious than anyone else."

Not sure what to say about this but I wanted to quote it. I guess: this doesn't seem like how you give a scumbuddy an out to stop voting you? And without daytalk there wouldn't be a super effective way to communicate "hey, I'm not planning to stop voting you."

Anyone up for lynching Lycan? I would honestly prefer that to the kunkstar lynch. His push for me feels seriously off. I don't think he's even reading my posts entirely because he's asking questions about specific comments that would be answered if he just finished reading the sentence.

On the one hand Wicked is starting to look pretty boned here so maybe it's time to start distancing. And maybe he doesn't try three different townies as wagon possibilities. But it's something to note? Boy I'm really nailing the authoritative closing argument vibe here huh.
It should be noted that he's remarkably hesitant to push acid, giving this limp noodle attack after being pushed several times:

acid is a very slight scum lean. There are a few things that have bothered me like his post 57 and his second gambit. Not my preferred lynch, but I could get behind it if the support was there.

I threw out a scum team guess of {Diamond, Lycan, Wisdom, you [kunkstar], acid}. Within that group, I feel most suspicious of Diamond and Lycan, the rest are close to neutral. So even though my gun-to-head read is that Wisdom/you/acid are scum as well, I wouldn't be fully satisfied unless Diamond or Lycan got lynched today.

Interesting how "the rest are close to neutral" but he's willing to vote kunkstar but hesitant to vote acid. I think where I'm going with this is that I think Wicked wanted a town lynch day 1 and that might make his pushes for Lycan and Diamond, which both seemed pretty serious and possibly things that could have caught on, not busses. [He also somehow manages to townread Brian in 324.] I think I'm reaching here though and trying too hard to build a coherent narrative, so I'm going to try and back off that argument henceforth. I'm supposed to be taking an objective stance, not switching my beliefs to the opposite and seeing if that makes sense.

Diamond just tried to end the day faster in the middle of my project? WTF? Is he afraid I'm going to come out with a case on him? This is disgusting wth.

Anyone up for lynching Lycan?

Lycan possible buddy
wicked knows its not happening so safe to suggest it

Screw u. D:<

Tell me when u get ur rolecard lol

I'm excited af

This certainly has one obvious interpretation but I doubt it gets posted in the thread if it's reality.

Mikey do you feel you want to vote not mafia

Not really
Preferring acid today

Ok, yeah. Stick to the plan


@acid sorry two people who know how to read you subbed in

pg 30: i like maki in this dunn interaction. seems like a weird buddy angle

i wonder if maki will hold fast on her diamond tr all game.

VOTE: Kaede

Cool? Cool.

In all seriousness though, Kaede, why are you voting me? I'm trying to catch up but I'm having trouble sorting the useful posts from the swarm of useless ones. A recap or maybe a case or something would be nice.

I have a question tho, if you had ISO'd me you'd have noticed I never changed my predecessor's vote as I don't have any vote yet.
In the worst case scenario, you'd just try to find my vote on you and noticed it was nowhere, and I could've simply forgotten to unvote and/or havent needed to vote anyone else yet, and in the best case scenario you'd have found that post and we could start from there, why did you instead of doing this decided to just vote back?

I have a question tho, if you had ISO'd me you'd have noticed I never changed my predecessor's vote as I don't have any vote yet.
In the worst case scenario, you'd just try to find my vote on you and noticed it was nowhere, and I could've simply forgotten to unvote and/or havent needed to vote anyone else yet, and in the best case scenario you'd have found that post and we could start from there, why did you instead of doing this decided to just vote back?

I didn't ISO you. Or know it was your predecessor who had voted mine. I just saw the VC.

Then why vote on it, and why no interaction with chara?

Then why vote on it, and why no interaction with chara?

Don't tell me how to use my vote

Speaking of which..

This interaction is presented without comment.

i'm paranoid about being wrong on Wicked, to the point i keep catching myself wanting to follow the Wicked wagon just to flip him and know for sure.
that's dumb and i'm not going to do it. i think acid was scum, Viomi hasn't looked town, and i'm comfortable townreading both Shuichi and Kaede.

pedit: there we go.

Finally, a reason to townread chara reappears! i was wondering when i was going to start finding these. i was kind of hoping i wouldn't honestly, and that my whole opinion would turn out to be smoke and mirrors and i'd have solved the mystery. but, i think i might need to stop putting too much stock in posts that just look town on their own and give more weight to interactions. chara told me so itself, after all. it's charismatic, and i can't be a sucker for that alone.

I'm pretty sure Kaede and Shuchi have the same alignment town or scum I'll get back to you on that.

I'm gonna have to deadline vote huh? Annoying.

VOTE: Viomi
Oh this was acid? lol bye

Scummy, out of character posts by maki. I really think she's scum now.
And now that I think of it I think maki would have said that Diamond and Kaede/my slot are not a team by now as she likes to sort like that, but she's made no mention of this even thouh she thinks I'm mafia (which brings up another point where she votes someone else without really bothering with me... what)

I'm full of shit saying this but it seems like a suboptimal moment to bus someone else with viomi and wicked on like 11 votes combined

Um, I guess that's Act 1... it ended up being kind of wimpy though.

[Shuichi Saihara]

-Act 2-

Shuichi and Lycan are town for noticing things between wicked and Viomi

I'm inclined to agree. Lycan really shoved that point hard -- he kept reiterating that the main reason he was scumreading wicked was a bad interaction with acid

I miss wis, his confidence is so inspiring.

I mean it felt like to me Viomi was really trying to get me to switch to Wicked at the end of the day

VOTE: Maki Harukawa

This comes amidst wis pushing on Maki, so it seems like a credible threat.

the one problem with my theory is that i don't know how acid gets lynched over wicked. kunkstar wasn't going to happen- that was a tried and failed counterwagon. did both wagons land on scum and the scumteam decided to mercy kill the slot for townpoints? it isn't inspiring-but that would be the best move in this single scenario.

that's because Kaede and i are town.
one of kunkstar/Wicked is scum.

I am confused as to how Chara migrated from Wicked hardtown to here.

gonna be honest whenever i see wisdom's avi i just assume he's calling for wicked to hang so i just let him do whatever he wants

so you're saying i'm not gamesolving but you just don't read Wisdom's posts? nice.
just say you missed it and reconsider your theory. or hang and flip scum.
but i still think your day 1's town. i don't know.

all of your rhetoric surrounding me is conjured from thin air.

i explained my Mulch read. acid was scum, Mulch super bussed or was town, but Kaede obvtowned. easy.

Not unfair, but maybe frustrated with wrong-reasons-right-conclusion?

found the wisdom quote. he seemed to think it was a distraction off of wicked. not exactly the s+s suiciding i'm suggesting here. i think putting the light on it when mulch claims he could have been working as part of a strategy still makes you look bad. that does assume that mulch had a strategy and wasn't simply throwing a fit.

Am I reading this right as a suggestion Mulch and Michael are both scum? Also, I'm quoting this because I want someone to try and convince me Mulch/Michael/acid were all scum. To my mind, any shade at Kaede has to pass through this point first.

i mean your chara pushing is good too, theyre also scum, but yeah

i thought i was leftovers, not scum.

i can buy you not sorting me but you've seen my embarrassing scumgame.

Is it now? Not what you said before.

I should probably put this question to rest with meta, but ugh. Also I'm the worst fucking meta warrior on earth unless it's by experiential osmosis. I can't cut meta reads from whole cloth.

the difference is that i'm sure wisdom would game solve if i asked him. i have to kidnap you and take you to game solve mountain, only to hear you say "nope" and jump off a cliff every time

don't care, we don't agree. my wagon flipped scum. when yours does too, then we can talk about who's gamesolving.

...But now we've chosen to scumread kunkstar over wicked and end it there. RIP. Is that "one of the two is scum" post too prophetic?

kunkstar7 (4): Chara, Wickedestjr, Brian Skies, Maki Harukawa
Wickedestjr (4): Wisdom, Lycanfire, Not_Mafia, DiamondSentinel

I can't help but notice two flipped scum voting kunkstar and two flipped town voting wicked here.
This isn't VCA, as I'm not about to say some trash like "scum wouldn't vote all in a row." I'm merely suggesting the scum agenda was this kunkstar lynch Day 1. Their lack of daytalk unfortunately undermines this idea.

And to address everyone suspecting kunkstar today, explain to me why he casts the L-1 vote for viomi with Dunn visibly wavering unless he's also scum with wicked in which case vote there first.

Note that Maki ignores this inconvenient post and just scumreads me harder instead in 1100:

Acids interactions with me make me town and I was one of the first ones to want them lynched I don't think you can call me scum here.
Do people think Wicked is scum? Why feeling fine on my Shuichi sr now

According to my 1104 this seems to be a stretch of the truth, I'm going to assume I'd arrive at the same conclusion if I looked at it again.

eh.
kunk scum and Wicked town makes no sense. my reads say kunk scum and Wicked town but they're obviously just wrong.
i haven't been paying attention to the count but i'll vote Wicked. time to let go of that terrible townread that's caused me nothing but problems.

Fucking hell shit damn fuck. Is this just positioning to look town with Wicked going down anyway or what?

Acids interactions with me make me town and I was one of the first ones to want them lynched I don't think you can call me scum here.
Do people think Wicked is scum? Why feeling fine on my Shuichi sr now

Having just reread acid I have no idea what you're talking about here

Acid pushed on Dimond and me and Acid didn't know my main from another site and I'm pretty sure he could figure that out/we'd tell each other if we were partners

Well this is just as useless as it was before.
(Disclaimer: I still think Maki is probably town, I'm just trying to be agnostic to that and give you all and myself some food for thought.)

Originally, I thought Michael and Mulch felt kind of disingenuous but now that I know acid was scum, I am viewing them both in a better light. Especially Michael (now Dunnstral) because he actually made effort to push the lynch whereas Mulch was just noise. Michael's 391 and 401 look especially good in retrospect. acid's reaction also doesn't feel like scum talking to his partners.

I had a slight town read on Maki by the end of yesterday, but there are a few posts from acid that are making me reconsider that. In post 59 acid says that he's scum reading Maki, but he subtly criticizes/undermines my vote for her in two different posts. The first time he criticizes me for not switching my vote from her to Diamond. The second time it's a little more blatant.

(I suspect wicked is a solid mechanical player and was looking to score a point day 2 and not just live)

I have to say im slightly worried you ended up sheeping me so easily

Which parts youre agreeing with? Why is wicked scum in your opinion?

NKA

thats it?

thats it?

Yeah

Show me how this looks like a bus and I'll give you a medal. Also my own post not long after this reminds me she wasn't looking for cred on viomi either, i think? like i think viomi attacked her weirdly and she was like wtf is this. i may be forgetting.

You were already voting for me.

And I'm not trying to be rude/mean, but am I wrong about that statement? For example, you could be questioning the person that you're voting instead of blindly okay'ing their lynch. But you're not even doing that.

And that image is also an accurate depiction of how

I

feel about you/Chara/others lazily supporting my bandwagon.

I think this is treating Kaede like she's town in a way that I buy as real.

Chara: "Thanks for posting this, you've inspired me to catch up and do stuff Kaede!"
Me: "You're welcome"

1 day later...
*crickets*

So.... what was all that "reignited your desire to play" or whatever about?

Hm, indeed. (I see later that the explanation is being busy and that's fine, I'm just going to leave the following thought where it is however.)
I feel a little like I'm trying to fit what I see into a box, though. Because after what I've looked at here, ... I guess I'm thinking that my beliefs about Chara are where I'm the most likely to be wrong, (and I have to be wrong about someone, as my reads going into this were "diamond is somehow scum with no one") and as I look back for their basis, I'm largely finding dust in the wind. Perhaps reading in time with the music was a more correct experience. I can't say. I can only trust in my detective work. I've only gone astray when I haven't trusted myself. And in this case what I was telling myself was "you're missing something."

DiamondSentinel
Lycanfire
kunkstar7

Dunnstral
Wickedestjr

kunkstar/Wicked/Viomi makes little sense as a team so i'm discounting it. these players are all ones i'd lynch.
i have a real scumread on Dunn, the one on Wicked is one of those "throwing my hands up" sort of feelings.

I wonder how this goes. This is a place where I'm going to point out to everyone that I'm a bit flighty and inattentive and I often forget to pick up threads like this one later, so if you notice any threads I forget to tie off in this investigation, please tell me and/or tie them off yourself.

But you said I wasnt trying, when I clearly was, so idk.

Is it a scum tell for me to say/believe that, though? Because it also felt like I angered you by saying that.

I want to say I don't think Kaede draws attention to this interaction if it's a bus. I also thought she would be less likely to be angry if she knew the person saying this was scum, and I did feel like she was actually upset about it.

Seriously people, how hard is it to use your brain for a second?

The gamestate couldn't be clearer right now

Wicked is obvious scum, Chara is obvious buddy who's stalling for him, Maki is obvious scum who's doing nothing and then there is the dumb looking duo of kunkstar and Dunnstral, one of which is the last scum with the other actually being shit at mafia.

Kaede is obvious town. Lycan is obvious town. Shuichi goes back and forth but with wicked being scum hes town. DS is typical lynchbait.

What's so hard in this game that youre failing to lynch two fucking scum and end it? Take a look at perpetual mylo 2, see how fast we ended the game after D1 was over.

I will use this as an opportunity to discuss Wisdom's death again. (Deal with it, Maki.) I feel the strongest things he was advocating for were Chara and Maki as scum, Diamond and kinda Lycan town. Ignoring the last for a moment, let's suppose Chara and Maki are both town and Diamond is scum. Wisdom is living in that situation, yes? Diamond is not endgame material, but after Wicked is lynched everyone has to be able to be endgame material. I've pushed Diamond all game -- I'm a much better kill. So is Kaede (note: my one caveat about Kaede is that now that I'm pretty sure who she is, I don't remember her being quite as unsure of herself as she has been here, but... whatever... if I won't ignore a little doubt I will never get anywhere). I think I can assert that he was right about something here, and maybe even everything.

Scum do look really obvious right now, but my reads mean one of my townreads are scum. I think the failure of us having a clear direction day 1 is indicative that I couldn't get anything working with a group of (myself, wisdom, diamond, kunkstar, uc voyager} together. I'd say if there's scum in my townreads, it's Diamond, which explains a lot, to be honest, looking at the wagons in response to Wicked.

That's the only way Kaede could be town, too, as I had NM as scum. Dunnstral could be scum here. I did think Michael was more townie than Mulch, but Dunnstral's effort and sorting of Maki isn't very laser pointed. It's feels like a meatball.

Where are you at on this now?

[Shuichi Saihara]

-Act 3-

eh. i guess i'm not scumreading you after all.
UNVOTE:
Viomi/Wicked/Lycan/kunkstar/Dunnstral?

VOTE: kunkstar
why does Viomi's scumflip initially make you think Wicked is scum too? it doesn't sound like you considered scum theatre until it was brought up, the way you phrased it.

Hmm?

this is before i realized my reads were bad and Wicked was scum. don't want to lynch kunkstar today.

Chara
Shuichi Saihara
Kaede Akamatsu

Lycanfire
DiamondSentinel
Maki Harukawa

kunkstar7
Dunnstral


i want a perfect win.
the only reason Diamond is where he is is Wisdom's read. but Wisdom isn't infallible, if you look at the read on me. Maki being where she is is a combination of Wisdom's read and my own, plus voting him with Dunnstral.
was i right to rule out kunkstar and Wicked as being on the same team?

Lycan should be in the top 4, actually.
Diamond/Maki/kunkstar/Dunnstral
only one of those is town. is it that easy?

Gather round and watch as this kunkstar read plummets off a bridge in 10 minutes flat!

Ah yes, this is the part where Diamond goes at me and still never votes me and says there's no possible way to have the reads I in fact had then I guess goes on to forget about the whole thing. I am not a fan.

I think you're in the ballpark, though I might quibble about the order, and the only thing giving me pause is Wisdom's hardon for lynching you.

i'll obvtown again in no time. Wisdom isn't right about everything, just a lot of things. i was busy playing in a Blitz for basically all of day 2. it ended up being more demanding than i'd thought, is all.

i'm happiest with Dunn, but i could see Maki scum too. or wrong town, yesterday. i need to reread day 2 because i was really removed from it.
i think, once that's done, i can be really confident in someone.

No please stop towning thank you.

Everything about your interactions with Wisdom and his recent night kill points to exactly one conclusion.

Wisdom found enough of your scumbuddies that you deemed him a liability and attempted to remove him via discredit, and when that didn't work, a night kill.

If you think Wisdom found my scumbuddies, why do you suspect kunkstar over his actual suspects, Chara and Maki?

If you think Wisdom found my scumbuddies, why do you suspect kunkstar over his actual suspects, Chara and Maki?

i'd like to know this too. and also why Diamond is townreading me.

Hey Diamond, I notice you were on board the Wicked wagon Day 1.

Where did you go Day 2?

*flips table*

VOTE: Maki

Personally I like Dunn for scum better but I don't want Wis to yell at me from the grave.

no, spit on Wisdom's memory by voting the scum he wasn't pushing. be your own man, Shuichi.

i don't have a big preference. Dunn is my best guess for doing exactly zero town things, but Maki's in my pool too.

The SS Shucihi has hit an iceberg. All those aboard are expected to perish, except for those few who manage to bravely fend off their lover from getting onto their door.

I remembered Diamond being scummy levels of illogical from the start, but apparently yesterday is where things really kicked up a notch. Suspiciously.

I note Maki also starts off Day 3 pushing Lycan (who I no longer suspect at all) and kunkstar (town). Except then the Dunn thing will happen.
I wish I had believed in myself and ended this yesterday.

Maki aborts part 1 of the conflict by randomly selfvoting in little danger... maybe this was intentional? I wonder if it coming back to that will seem like an accident.

Maybe scum just want to hang out in their PT for a bit.

Reminisce about the good days they didn't have.

btw check out this sweet townslip
semi-unrelatedly i predict that diamond votes me for this wall that just seems like something he'd do

Dear lord, this Maki fiasco is awful. I'm starting to wonder if scum's trying to get town apathy to rise so that they can control the wagons.

'Cause I'm feeling the apathy right now.

Purely because of this fiasco, I am 100% fine with a Maki lynch today. Absolutely horrific.

openly scumtacular in this setup statements like this are probably more likely to come from town.

I believe in no way would town dunn sr me here and right when I bring up his voting pattern he places a vote on me I think I got some active talk going and we got places where we need. I ask you vote in me and Dunn today it seems we are both the srs of the day and not voting in us is awful if you think I was pulling a gambit feel free to vote me if you tr mr I ask you vote Dunn if you do not understand Why Dunn is scum look at the VCS and how he was off both scum wagons plus his vote on me is just him trying to get me lynched so he can sui he also sheeped me on wisdom for no reason and turned his read around on me for no reason.

This should have seemed like it was going to work/happen, right?

Kaede Chara Dimond Shuichi lets end this killing game

Spoiler:

once and for all

it even has an appeal to DR attached.

I'm also wondering why Kaede is still voting me at this point

so you told Shuichi to vote you because you think he's scum, not because you still think lynching you is a good idea. but if you do get lynched, you want to make sure your scumread of him doesn't go unheard.

as for Kaede: i'm wondering that too, actually.

i've been nursing a scumread on Kaede for the past few days or so. i think since she made a (correct) comment about scum being unable to kill town at this point, and it made me want to have a look at her. i don't know why. it's something town would know too.

haven't said anything about it because it's exactly the kind of conspiracy-esque read turnaround desperate scum in this situation would try. now, however, i'm just thinking "fuck it". waiting around is boring, being unconfident in my reads is also boring.

but whether or not she's scum is sort've irrelevant if i'm right about Dunnstral scum. i'm more confident in Maki town than Dunnstral scum, and Maki isn't exactly my best read, so make of that what you will.

I nearly had a heart attack from the second post here but then it turned into an attack on kaede not an attempt to move her vote to L-1 dunnstral.

Maybe I should still be worrying about Lycan? He pushes Maki pretty hard this day
God it's like they put a detective hat on a stack of waffles, isn't it?

Maki aggravating me while in danger is a pretty confusing scum move

And now Chara's vote comes off. Was this too ballsy. Perhaps the tack now is keep bussing and pray town fucks it because they need a miracle...

going through ISOs and pointing out posts is the worst.

eeenie minie mini moe, i pray to god this will flip scum
VOTE: wicked

Dunno this feels like it's going too smooth... im getting paranoid...

Ugh, what am i even doing
UNVOTE:

There must be something we've missed...
I don't get it, why did Miu die.

I feel like I should just lynch him and be done with it, this read has caused me more problems than I needed and blame Wisdom if he flips town.

But then that's the easy way out.

The problem with this of course is assuming everyone is generally correct that we're looking at a TvS situation here then if we're wrong the other one leaves.

Which is possibly an argument for wagoning somewhere else entirely. <_>

Maybe Shuichi's right.
There's 4 scum remaining, and we only need to lynch 2 of those unless we mislynch, if Wicked's scum he wont win alone.

but this sums it up. there's a back and forth, but the underlying thought is she's trying to get the lynch somewhere else. it looks like faked indecision to disguise trying to pull the lynch somewhere else. probably because a Wicked lynch puts scum in the dangerous position they're in right now.

La, la, la, la, I can't hear you
#detectivework

your tone was bleeding town and i made the mistake of thinking that was good enough. combined with Shuichi's own townread on you i was completely enamored.
but it pretty much fell apart as soon as i started looking at you critically. now i can't see anything but fake uncertainty in your posts.

Now I'm listening again! Wonder where this goes.

What am I supposed to make of Kaede putting Dunn at L-1 for like... 25 posts? And acting like she was giving up... to prep for abandoning it, or not? Thinking not.

i'm extremely tempted to just throw away my Maki townread. i'm more scared of being wrong on her if she's scum than if she's town.
and u just don't know what to do about Kaede. wash my hands of it, i guess? my reads this game suck, maybe it's best to just trust Wisdom and Lycan's confidence in Maki scum despite both of them misreading me. it's not like i've given much cause besides tone to actually be townread.

no, Kaede unvoted and Maki was at L-3 before she did.
VOTE: Maki Harukawa
second scum i've defended pointlessly? maybe. ugh.

Well, that's where it went. Nowhere at all at a reversal to Maki.

Maki: to be clear though, it's not an apathy lynch. things just seemed to make sense with you being scum no matter how much my gut is telling me you aren't. it's not for lack of trying to find an alternative. i want to win.

VOTE: Dunnstral
i think this is the actual scum. though i'll agree with Shuichi his play this game just hasn't been good as either alignment.
1425 is weird and scummy. Dunn is independently scummy as a whole. i don't know how i got so sidetracked with everything to forget how confident i was in this originally, but that's par for the course.
disappearing today isn't scummy in a vacuum but it's not doing him any favours.

NO

VOTE: Dunnstral

I don't see a universe where Chara isn't scum, so if we're not lynching Maki we are lynching this.

VOTE: Chara

If

Kaede (mulch) is scum, it's with Chara anyway.

I think my vote here could have been a momentum shift so I don't love the "look over there it's something new" response, but at the same time I doubt anyone thought a Chara lynch was happening here.

when we both flip town, Lycan learns that not everyone plays mafia like a game of social chess. day 1 was a mess for scum. they misplayed on multiple fronts, thus the situation we have now, 2 points to scum's 0.

I think this is easier to say if it's about yourself.

why did scum Chara vote acid, Lycan? trying to remove the weakest link to save Wicked?

I am not sure why this bothers me, but it does.

I feel like Chara's Day 3 reads are too fluid. Which is insane, because mine were too, but I think I'm alowed to be wishy-washy because I know I am that way. I know Chara is supposed to be as well, I guess.
If you're still listening to the music, you should turn it off because I don't deserve it!

can i townread kaede more for tinfoiling on me (1850)? (Can I at least have one solid position in my life?)
I think I've officially revealed that I'm terrible at mafia.

I'd appreciate Dunnstral stop lurking. But I doubt that's going to happen any time soon.
Kunk needs to eat rope for lurking so much. 39 posts over 3 days is unacceptable in any conditions.

This is still complete garbage.
I guess it could be mildly town that he's never responded to my goading him to vote me with actually doing so.

kunkstar7 (3): DiamondSentinel, Shuichi Saihara, Chara
Maki Harukawa (2): Dunnstral, Lycanfire
Dunnstral (2): kunkstar7, Maki Harukawa

Not Voting (1): Kaede Akamatsu

Where's the tipping point? [Well, actually, it turns out to be more complicated than this.]

what is it about this game that makes me hammer things? it's not something i really find myself doing, usually.
i suppose it's because i'm either on the front of the wagon or i don't vote on it at all, but in this game inaction means losing.

also, i did mean to say kunkstar/Lycan/Dunnstral, haha.

Where did Maki go?

[Shuichi Saihara]

That's all I got, sorry.

But that was your plan, wasn't it?

Maybe some of that was kind of your plan, maybe, please?

Chara, the Ultimate Impostor?
VOTE: Chara, I guess.

[Shuichi Saihara]

I feel bad for making you all read that drivel

[Shuichi Saihara]

So this is how you go from "You're lynching Chara over my dead body" to "Chara is scum"?

I don't know.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Something doesn't make sense.

I did my best to figure out what it was.

I'm sorry if it was bad.

[Shuichi Saihara]

I think there are good reasons to townread everyone, but the setup says two of you are scum. :$

[Shuichi Saihara]

I'm not sure either. I'm not exactly gung ho for it, but it's my best guess right now.

Whatever it's worth, I'm not saying that wasn't in my scumrange, but I would say that I just wouldn't give enough of a shit to reread a whole game as any alignment if it weren't for my feeling that I'm letting everyone down.

[Shuichi Saihara]

I was really hardcore townreading her for tonal and like gut reasons the entire game.

I'm either stupid now or was stupid then, I don't know which.

[Shuichi Saihara]

What you did just puts a hole in that winning combination and im feeling unsure about everything again.

Sorry. :$

Welcome back to waffle house. I've kept it warm for you.

[Shuichi Saihara]

For a second scum I'd still pick Diamond despite everything I found in his favor, I think.

[Shuichi Saihara]

For a second scum I'd still pick Diamond despite everything I found in his favor, I think.

I haven't thought on whether this pair makes sense and I don't plan to right now, I'm done thinking today.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Oh i thought you were saying Maki was scum with Chara.

That would be my second guess.

[Shuichi Saihara]

look my brain's out of order ok

[Shuichi Saihara]

and hell, whoever scum is here obviously is a true busmaster so how the hell do i know what they know about being able to get away with various things

[Shuichi Saihara]

everyone should feel free to shoot holes in any and all reasons i had for not suspecting various players

[Shuichi Saihara]

i kind of wish i hadn't though, i already feel bad about having done so.

i think emotions are definitely among my many weak points as a town player.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Honestly as I read everything again I just didn't see them. I don't know where they were, or perhaps where I imagined them.

I can be moved. Don't worry, I don't have the confidence to stick to guns~

[Shuichi Saihara]

Not started, but probably by page 5 I'd had the thought.

[Shuichi Saihara]

I'm at the gym :/

[Shuichi Saihara]

I've only skimmed your posts here but unfortunately I suspect I'll like them.

[Shuichi Saihara]

I meant the mentions of him in the Act 1 post.

But I guess it's all WIFOMy... :/

[Shuichi Saihara]

who am i teamed with, Shuichi?

I run into a brick wall when I try to pair anyone with anyone.

I'm sort of giving up on it.

[Shuichi Saihara]

No, though, you're right, I don't TRULY believe Diamond is your partner.

And I would say Maki is plausible, but I don't even believe she's scum in the first place.

What is a boy to do?

[Shuichi Saihara]

I dunno. Can you tell me what scumpairs you think make sense and don't? You can include people you don't suspect.

[Shuichi Saihara]

If you guys want the winning combo to be the girls and me, I need Diamond's random L-1 vote on Lycan explained away.

[Shuichi Saihara]

And I'm pretty sure my wall had some good reasons not to suspect Lycan in it, too, but my brain is still out of order.

[Shuichi Saihara]

I mean I think there are some Kaede teams that make sense, she just isn't scum.

[Shuichi Saihara]

VOTE: Diamond

Alright.

I don't think you could do this this well. :S

[Shuichi Saihara]

i know Maki looks odd if you consider Dunnstral. but the fact of the matter is scum didn't need one mislynch. they needed

three

. the only way to keep going is to do something that will be risky but ultimately make the surviving scum able to get those mislynches.

This is true.

[Shuichi Saihara]

I think I had better pray there isn't a tomorrow.

[Shuichi Saihara]

I think putting me with Lycan makes plenty of sense tbh. I don't blame anyone who does that.

[Shuichi Saihara]

I'm probably not about to go analyze myself for reasons I can't be scum with anyone.

[Shuichi Saihara]

10 hours to deadline. Maki? Kaede?

Dunno, that NL is starting to look tempting...
I have issues scumreading anyone but Lycan today, and even that isnt as strong as it was before...

I haven't dissuaded you at all?

[Shuichi Saihara]

Why are people scumreading DS?

Hello. I'm Shuichi. It seems like you must not read my posts.

[Shuichi Saihara]

if Lycan's town it's Maki/Diamond anyway so i guess it would be safe..?

[Shuichi Saihara]

With respect to Chara's paranoia on the matter, if Maki isn't scum Kaede is. I floated that at start of day 2 and earned silence for my effort. Maybe it bore fruit with the day 3 slapfight-I glanced over it and wasn't interested i what Chara was saying until Kaede practically screamed murder in the thread over it. Seemed like an attempt to get peoples attention tbh. The sacrifice here will be interesting.

Kaede is never getting lynched. If you believe her to be scum, you'll need to lynch her partner today, and I would suggest your best hope at that is to vote Diamond now even if you don't believe he's scum. Better some chance than none.

[Shuichi Saihara]

What we doing here we letting this go to deadline and refresh or?

I'm prepared to.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Chara, there is no Diamond/Lycan team. Diamond is throwing here in that scenario.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Last I checked, you weren't a Cop.

Also, counterpoint: That time you voted me because you were mad at me.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Fine, be that way.

VOTE: Maki Harukawa

[Shuichi Saihara]

watch me be the one throwing here.

[Shuichi Saihara]

It's a little tempting to wash my hands of the day and blame everyone else tho.

[Shuichi Saihara]

I should really get over my obsession with blame, but I don't like being called names in postgame.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Me vs Dunn is never scum vs scum are you INSANEEEE

Everyone isn't scum for some reason or another, and yes, at this juncture I think it would be fair to call me insane.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Whoeveritwas made a valid point. I think it was Chara. Scum needed to play for three mislynches. Perhaps they decided to be insane.

I don't fucking know anymore.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Chara/Maki, Diamond/Maki.

Find me another sensible pair.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Fine. But each ML we use makes the problem harder as we lose the one we were closer to.

[Shuichi Saihara]

By your logic I was basically praying for town or my partner whoever that is to lead a bw on non me/dunn and my self vote was a scum gambit just to get you all to vote in scum us....like

Basically yep!

You yourself said you pull selfvote shenanigans as scum, did you not? Someone did anyway

[Shuichi Saihara]

Telling me to vote Kaede's partner when I was already voting Chara and then vote switching to Maki is odd. Esp. considering you tried to townread both in your wall. Dissonance from being told that isn't possible? Maybe, but if you're wrong on Maki, Chara gets sacrificed and you lose lylo. Why change.

Because I can't get you to vote Diamond.

[Shuichi Saihara]

VOTE: No Lynch

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills

[Shuichi Saihara]

What if we just no lynch twice here instead of tomorrow

[Shuichi Saihara]

why would we do that?

Get rid of someone. It'll be Kaede, but that will at the least force Lycan to rethink.

[Shuichi Saihara]

why would we do that?

Get rid of someone. It'll be Kaede, but that will at the least force Lycan to rethink.

[There is an outside chance it will be me and I selfishly would very much like to leave.]

[Shuichi Saihara]

He will be forced to admit you have a scumbuddy.

[Shuichi Saihara]

I know it's painful but I do think we should take at least the one NL here because we're just rushing even though none of us have a clue.

[Shuichi Saihara]

two NL is a loss

It's not, read the rules. We get a freebie.

[Shuichi Saihara]

You still aren't getting it.

[Shuichi Saihara]

If this happens ONCE, the Mafia will be required to No-Kill on the following night. If this happens AGAIN, then the Mafia will get to make a Kill the following night.

[Shuichi Saihara]

This setup is so fucked up tbh

[Shuichi Saihara]

They should use this as torture

[Shuichi Saihara]

They should use this as torture

i'm extremely sympathetic to your feelings but you have to admit this is probably funny to watch.

Probably.

[Shuichi Saihara]

I know it's painful but I do think we should take at least the one NL here because we're just rushing even though none of us have a clue.

i have a very good clue. it's not Shuichi nor is it Kaede.
at least if we lynch Lycan here it'll mean he can't lose the game for us later.
it's Diamond/Maki.

I wish I had your confidence.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Does anyone see any kind of scum motivation in lycan literally saying he'd rather die than compromise.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Here's why I truly think Diamond is scum.

If he's not, two of you are playing unreal games of the century. If he is, only one obscenely good game is required.

[Shuichi Saihara]

[Shuichi Saihara]

Like you're disbelieving Maki self vote shenanigans as possibly town motivated (i dont think they are necessarily town motivated i townread her for other reasons), but Lycan wanting to die is town motivated?
Like what?

Well, one way or another she got out of it.

This seems a lot less get-outtable. He's putting himself in a guaranteed loss scenario because everyone has their feet set in such a way that won't get any lynch ever without his vote.

[Shuichi Saihara]

if Diamond is scum with Maki, then his partner has admitted to not reading the thread on several occasions only to say dumb stuff.

??? so what

[Shuichi Saihara]

You wrote a giant post about how mean I am earlier in day when I pointed out that Maki was no efforting again

You dropped Kaede again?

[Shuichi Saihara]

I'm really baffled that towns apparently win this

[Shuichi Saihara]

weren't you refusing to lynch maki like 5 minutes ago

[Shuichi Saihara]

I'm really baffled that towns apparently win this

????

it seems impossible to get an entire town on one page

[Shuichi Saihara]

i wish i were scum, then i could be proud of my game no matter how things turn out

[Shuichi Saihara]

When that lynch goes through without my vote, I won't even have to wait for a flip to know the outcome.

[Shuichi Saihara]

So that's nice.

[Shuichi Saihara]

I'm a bit miffed at Kaede sitting her ass on Lycan still.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Your reasoning doesn't ever make sense to me.

[Shuichi Saihara]

DiamondSentinel was killed Night 4. He was Mafia.