Large Normal 216 - Endgame

[DVa]

VOTE: AP

Who wants to be mini me and who wants to be number 2.

I'll be your #2 if you be my Reinhardt

[DVa]

who wants to play guess the entire scumteam at basically pregame so if you're actually somehow right you may acclaim godtier ring bragging rights

Scumteam of profii, Garmr, FA_Q2, and Nosferatu
AP as 3rd party Jester

[DVa]

VOTE: DVa hello

Hey fam

[DVa]

Is 3 scum, 1 traitor possible with 19?

Not Known 15 tends to go lighter on power, as you can see here:

List with roles:

1.Archwing Vanilla Townie
2.Chumba Vanilla Townie
3.Lalendra Vanilla Townie
4.Sephiroth Vanilla Townie
5.Luca Blight Vanilla Townie
6.TwoInAMillion Vanilla Townie
7.Prism Vanilla Townie
8.Nero Cain Vanilla Townie
9.Leeoon Mafia Goon
10.BuJaber Mafia Goon
11.mozamis Town Day 5 Innocent Child
12.TheGoldenParadox Town 1-shot Rolecop
13.Roy Tagliaferro Town 2-shot Neapolitan

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If NN15 does basically a mountainous in a 13p game, and there is no promise this isn't a mountainous, then it is theoretically possible our scum count may be lower than expected.

HOWEVER, if Pine had influence on the setup design, then we could be looking at a lot more town power and possibly third parties.

Since we have no knowledge of how or why NN15 designed this setup, or how much collaboration went into it (if any), I would say we cannot guarantee there will be a specific number of scum until we have a clearer sense of the setup as a whole.

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Well not possible I mean, but likely?

No particular setup is dramatically more or less likely here--we have one or two setups nn15 has designed in the past, but we have no reason to assume that he would design these in a similar manner.

This could be multiball with 4 scum and a sk (since Pine is a backup mod)
This could be mountainous with 3 scum and mostly VTs and goons

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What up

The lack of the question mark here is obviously a scumtell

VOTE: profii

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Carca, is your halloween costume the little green dude or the guy in the gas mask?

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but RCE, will you be my Reinhardt?

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Why am I scum Sephiroth?

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Garmr, do you have an impression of Profii at this point?

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AP:
1) are you scumreading RCE or voting him for memes?
2) who are you scumreading?

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VOTE: AP

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"Isn't Creature supposed to be easily readable by post count/effort?"
Unless his scum meta changed considerably , then that's how I read creature too.

Theory:
>Scum!Creature would use this reasoning to active post initially in a game, then would nightkill everyone who townread him based on this meta reason, and then go back to scum!lurking with the entire graveyard saying he's locktown based on meta.

So, while I'm not saying I think Creature is particularly scummy this game, I don't think that him copy/pasting a list a few times is a good reason to townread him quite yet thanks.

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why ap said that

good luck with figuring that out

AP is like
2+3=sex (it doesn't even make sense because 2+3 doesn't =6 --that's how bad his jokes are)

Really though, I don't know why he's acting like there isn't enough content in the thread to at least give a real first impression of someone, townlean or scumlean or whatever. On that same point, he focused a lot on his "popularity" like he was getting bumrushed when he was at L-7, which made his initial posts seem, not exactly like an overreaction, but not particularly townie either.

Levity is fine, but I'd like him to do more than meme and omgus.

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....is AP an alt or

Stop. He's Almost50. But he deliberately roleplays on this account which is the reason he was at L-7 before posting.

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If I wasn't already voting ofrhz, I would probably be starting now.
Pretty underwhelming imo.

I think Creature is getting rather easy town reads considering he's been all over the place early on

This deserves its own post

Spoiler:

meeeh

i don't think #187 was a good post either.

VOTE: Maxous

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he dared disparage the towniness of ofhrz

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tbh I'm mostly just moving off AP who I'm hoping will now stop hitting on me, Maxous seems like fine wagon but is hardly lockscum

ofhrz is town tho, you must believe in the heart of the cards on that one

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That’s quite a good point on DVa - when you look at the iso, 201 is critical of AP for not being forthcoming with any significant stances, yet that post is the 2nd post from DVa containing any significant reasoning about another player

Yes, because AP has a history of shitposting for entire dayphases, so I think it's good to establish early on that if he trolls in the game this game he'll get lynched

If sorting is to be productive we need to knock the trolls into line first

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However it is pertinent that my point was your lack of reads at that time and you elected not to addresss that

What are you talking about? I gave my first impressions in 91.

He came in and said he was voting RCE exclusively for memes. While I haven't over-explained my impressions so far, I have given them.

And while people have criticized me for setup spec, I was not the one starting the conversation about setup, I was providing answers to nip it in the bud.

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Here's a question for you. Why are you more interested in my initial leanscum on Nos than on Nos's PoE vote on you, which you have not asked him about?

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Yeah I just feel like you're asking because there's nothing going on in this game and not because you actually care that much tbh, like it feels like you're trying to look active.

>AP has basically admitted that the game is boring and isn't really pushing anyone because he doesn't really have a lead, which seems reasonable since no one is screaming obvscum
>Nos has posted nothing of substance
>FA_Q basically isn't here
>Profii is asking me questions because there's nobody else really doing anything
>Garmr has showed some interest but hasn't posted that much

It's more interesting to me for my read if they post content on their own without me saying "boy I sure do suspect Nos and FA_Q because they're not really posting much" particularly when I have just voted Maxous who still hasn't reacted and also isn't posting much but also happens to be voting my townread.

Have *your* reads of Garmr, FA_Q, or Profii changed in the last 300 posts? If not, why would you ask me if mine have?

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I still have no real scumreads. Someone help

"Nos isn't scummy enough to be town this game"

agree/disagree?

[DVa]

DVa do you have a read on Performer yet

not really, but leaning town considering how fast he jumped to mainhunting me to understand my meta

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Scumhunting isn't working, so let's go the other direction

Which of these names should not be lynched today ofhrz?

xx2008
Carcalilly
Maxous
Garmr
Inferno390
Sephiroth
Nosferatu
FA_Q2
AP
DS
profii
Flubbernugget

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leaning town enough to not want to lynch them today, maybe wouldn't go so far as to say "townreading"

[DVa]

Hmm. Philosophical question then. Is FA_Q a useful d1 lynch?

pedit: y CT?

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vs.

Who here is a better lynch than FA_Q2?

Maxous
Inferno390
Sephiroth
DS
Flubbernugget

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Hmm, considering I deleted the wrong name for Shattiel (vs DS), I guess I forgot who they even were for a minute there.

Which is a better lynch between FA_Q2 and Shattiel?

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Basically.

How do we measure:
a) the potential value of d1's lynch for informing reads
vs.
b) the dead weight on future days
?

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I do PoE in all of my games, I just don't always frame it as such. In large games with few clear scumreads and few hard townreads it becomes more essential. I do prioritize lynches on my scumreads that are lower risk mislynches in all games.

who do you think is better lynch between FA_Q and Shattiel?

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OK, so make the case that Sephiroth is a better lynch than FA_Q or Shattiel then, if you prefer a

[DVa]

Put that aside for the moment -- what's your read of Sephiroth? Do you find town in his posts?

[DVa]

Seph has more content imo, so from your reasoning he would have seemed the better lynch. Arguably Shattiel does as well.

So among the 'nullish scum reads that overlap between us'

there's the "more content, more information from flip" group that looks something like Sephiroth > Shattiel > Flubb > Maxuous
and there's the "less risk in mislynch cause likely to be dead weight anyway" group of Inferno Slot > FA_Q

with the caveat that since Inferno is getting replaced there's nothing to be gained from pressure there atm

if you value b (less risk in mislynch) then FA_Q is the clearly better lynch, if you value informative d1 flip you'd want to decide the best scum from Seph, Shattiel, Flubb, and Max

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There are 19 players and you are currently voting no one because you are waiting for the replacement on the one player being replaced.

Who are the other scum Shattiel?

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I do PoE in all of my games, I just don't always frame it as such. In large games with few clear scumreads and few hard townreads it becomes more essential. I do prioritize lynches on my scumreads that are lower risk mislynches in all games.

who do you think is better lynch between FA_Q and Shattiel?

but but why me?

Currently you are under consideration because there is no discernible reason to townread you that I can see. Why is your current play not best described as "active lurking" fypov?

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Hint it has the word TOWN in it

"Town-informed Mafia Goon"?

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Hey Saudade!

Winky face

[DVa]

no lynching

damn profii you sure you didn't roll scum here?

[DVa]

Shattiel idk if you're phone posting or what but quoting a full wall of text for a 4 word reply is basically not ok

[DVa]

It's not a silly question it is odd behavior. Not only from your slot. There is a trend:

Shattiel/Maxous
Dva/ofhrz
Creature/me
I'm sure there are others that aren't as obvious but have soft defended each other without actually engaging.

I think there's a difference between me explicitly townreading ofhrz and you explicitly townreading Creature from Shattiel jokeclaiming masons with Max. I also have engaged ofhrz at this point. That doesn't mean Shattiel is town, but there's a difference between hard defenses ("this person is town") and soft defenses ("I don't think this person is scum")

[DVa]

The soft defense part and the pairings are separate but they relate in that you have not elaborated on your Ofrhz read, I have not elaborated on my creature read and vice versa, and Shattiel has not elaborated on their relationship when asked about it specifically.

Only one logical explanation.

Me, ofhrz, you, and Creature, are a 4-man mason block.

And Shattiel and Max are scum.

BAM SOLVED GAME EZ

[DVa]

We got this

, mason buddy :3

VOTE: Shattiel

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let me pull of my combo list but at a glance, Creature what's your reads of Seph and Max?

[DVa]

Ok with Creature's list I'm within: {FA_Q2, Maxous, Saudade, Sephiroth, Flubbernugget}

Who we voting from our remaining 5? Which of those 5 names are worth striking?

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I was looking for the overlap in our lists, so the 5 names above I believe are the remaining overlap. Seph and Max struck me first but all 5 are viable for today

[DVa]

VOTE: Sephiroth

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I guess one or two people townread Sephiroth because of his 1v1 with Nosferatu but I did not personally

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Yeah I don't find town in Sephiroth

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Sure, Creature you prefer lynching this scum or the other scum?

VOTE: Flubbernugget

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No problem fam,

we got this

[DVa]

I'm starting to feel quite uncomfortable with this.

that's probably just all the lsd

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Day is almost half over.

why is Sephiroth a better lynch than you flubber?

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(I also still need a hydra partner for that fucking hydra event)

do you still need this?

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Join on flubber then?

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@Saudade, k well I'm not hard pushing you atm so don't get your panties in a twist, but you're in the poe until you obvtown

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What is townie about Sephiroth or flubber? That is the question I am asking right now. Do you see anything that indicates a town thought process?

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you're getting too much value from your vote on no one?

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How you feel about Flubber Lando?

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Performer, would you strike any of these names from PoE: {FA_Q2, Maxous, Saudade, Sephiroth, Flubbernugget}?

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In terms of pure strategy then, why would you prefer Max today over Sephiroth? Wouldn't Sephiroth, as the player who has given more content, be a more informative flip and help us catch the rest of the scum team?

Or are you prioritizing Max because your read there is stronger?

What are your reads on Flubber and Saudade so far?

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So what is FA_Q in this analogy? A storm trooper?

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I'm not feeling this game, like AT ALL. For one thing, everybody's throwing up reads with not much of an explanation. For another, I can hardly play role, and it makes me feel sad I joined with AP.

I'm seriously considering switching to A50 and playing the game from the A50 perspective.

what does playing the role mean to you? I don't think anyone is stopping you from characterizing your vote targets as sharks with frikken lazers on their heads. how is A50 different from AP fypov? does one sort in a very different manner than the other? like aren't your reads going to be your reads either way?

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VOTE: seph

I'm ok with that

which posts specifically give Seph more scum equity for you than other players in the poe?

[DVa]

Gamma-chan! <3

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Well I’m sure he has reasons they feel X way
My reservation is it might prevent him from reconsidering reads
But I also feel like his strategy is good in later stages

Liking your reads so far Gamma. Tho you know you're responding to your predecessor (FA_Q) here right?

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Don't think FL said his vote was a poe lynch tho

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I mean sure but I'm the one who was mostly discussing you as a poe candidate and I'm not voting you rn so I'm not sure which votes on your wagon you're addressing

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I mean, FL just declared you scum, and people sheeped. The wagon on you lacks backing, so it's kinda weird you'd shade it for the wrong reasons. But ok, take your time and get back to us when you've properly caught up

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Well, when you say things that reflect you not reading the thread, I will ask about that. You accused people of voting you out of poe when I don't think anyone is, so if you think that's unfair to ask about then, hmm, let me think about that

VOTE: Sephiroth

Shading me for asking you about shit that you say that doesn't make sense -- congrats, you're no longer a poe lynch to me

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You said I was "disingenuous" for asking you about shit you said that was misrepping the votes on you. Your first post seemed to imply that the people voting you were doing so out of poe, which most, as far as I can tell, are not. I said to *take your time and read the thread* and clarify your opinions, and you took *that opportunity* to call me "disingenuous". That is slimy af

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take your time and get back to us when you've properly caught up

Your concern with what I posted seems disingenuous to me. Just throwing that out there.

This is not something someone says when they are primarily concerned with going to sleep and being done for the night. You don't throw parting shots and expect no reaction,

fam

.

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AP, which *specific* villain do you think Flubbernugget is? Is he a minime? A shark with a laser? Fat Bastard? Give us the deets

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Same goes for dva when I could find her scum meta - I ended up able to reread her scum game (as I posted earlier in my ISO ) in the newbie, and her gameplay here - I couldn't find a notable difference.

not sure if this is a compliment to my scumgame or an insult to my towngame, but this might be the nicest thing anyone has ever said about my scum game regardless of which way that was angled

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Not unlike profii’s last comment, it looks as if DVA was looking for a reason to help give Sephiroth that little oomph it needed to get closer to a hammer. She was looking for the flawed play to pounce on.

Yeah, or maybe he called me "disingenuous" for saying to take his time and reread the thread.

Like maybe I have an agenda, or maybe he was acting like a douche and I stopped caring what his alignment was

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>everyone in the thread: "I don't know who scum is"

Dva: "OK so why don't we townblock and poe"

FL: "boy Dva seems scummy for not sitting on her fucking ass waiting for the day to end"

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You literally just scumcased me for trying to keep the game moving when no one is making cases and no one has any scumreads

Yeah, I would say you are annoying me now

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Also, maybe I'm tonally different to the person who I know isn't scum, so I know they're simply shitcasing me because they're wrong

[DVa]

Read Dolphins and tell me I'm fucking scum putting in 70+ posts day 1 in a large

I dare you

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Well, when you say things that reflect you not reading the thread, I will ask about that. You accused people of voting you out of poe when I don't think anyone is, so if you think that's unfair to ask about then, hmm, let me think about that

VOTE: Sephiroth

Shading me for asking you about shit that you say that doesn't make sense -- congrats, you're no longer a poe lynch to me

what is this nonsense

he literally said he was v/la and only skimmed the thread.

VOTE: Maxous

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the confirmed town jumped on him and and think it did give licence for scummy players to jump.
i would guess 2 of them

This is scum

[DVa]

What madman has the audacity to call both Garmr and Carcalilly "genuine"?

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I'm not sure it's super relevant because there really hasn't been anyone super scummy this game for her to push

I also wanted to understand why you kinda felt resistance to Sephiroth when I was starting the PoE. I wasn't sure if there was a gut townread there or whether I was just throwing you off by trying a new approach. While I partly gut townread you based on RVS this is lurky even for town you. But I think if you start playing more, and you are town, your reads can be good, so.

I still think Max has decent equity and I actually don't really like his reads list almost at all, but at least he is generating readable content

I think right now the best push is here

VOTE: Flubber

[DVa]

i wanna say if dva is town then flub probably is as well

because?

Gamma is probably town tho yay

y?

[DVa]

You were asking me to move my vote off of your PoE lynch candidate onto another PoE lynch candidate. I didn't see the point, and tbh I was a little suspicious

I mostly wanted to understand your thought process at the time

[DVa]

@Jason,
Flubber?

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B A D P O S T
You saw this logic in a recent game wtf

What is the implication here? Are you tring Flubber because of a mod edit or...?

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RCE, Creature, and Performer -- how do you guys feel about joining on Flubber and getting this wagon rolling?

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Creature reacting like it’s foreign is a bad thing

I guess I still don't understand the point being made then

So Carca is opportunistic scum because of the weak case on Flubber, which makes Flubber town? And Creature is scum for not seeing Carca as scummy?

Sorry it seems like a kinda complicated response to that exchange and I'm not sure I'm following the innuendo. Was Carca acting like GuerillaWoo in Dolphins or something?

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dva....why us specifically?
To be clear, I'm not townreading shortaru.

Wanted to see if I could get all of my 'leaning town' onto the wagon

Guess you didn't like Creature. I don't think he was locktown like some wanted to say but I think he experiments more as town, and his approach this game felt like an experiment to me.

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I’m just pissed Alchemist got Lynched despite having a free ticket out imo

I think Dolphins ruined my willingness to take pre-game replacements for a while

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The thing that happened in Dolphins was everyone towncleared EzekelRAGE/Creature for a while because of mod interference that implied the slot was Town (along with doughboy). Since Creature was IN the slot that was cleared I would have expected him to recognize what was going on and make some kind of reference (maybe not the second part)

Okay, I think I know what you mean now. But wasn't that about talking about an ongoing game? Saying "don't type the votes incoherently" seems like way more NAI as far as mod step-ins go. You might be right that Creature not getting the joke suggests he wasn't really thinking along those lines, but I feel like the analogy is different enough I wouldn't assume he'd get it tbh

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ofrhz - obviously lurking and at this rate he will be replaced. I think he's coasting like he does in his scum game I read, where rce & him were scum

are you talking about 2038? because I glanced through that game and her day 1 there felt much more active than it is here, like she seemed much more interested in making substantial posts and being townread, whereas here she seems to kinda not care as much. Not sure that makes her locktown but I wouldn't say this is particularly similar to 2038

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I'm just going to assume the first 40 pages or so are early game crap posting and focus on current events with ISOing

My current suggestion would be to iso:
Flubber first
then ofhrz
then Carca (to get a better sense of Flubber's reads)

[DVa]

tbh, I would want Performer to dance with Shortaru

I think that dance should be my side objective

[DVa]

What is a scum theater, by the way?

Metagame explanation why scum would choose to put on a theater:

Spoiler:

Subject: Open 737: Stack the Deck (Mafia PT)

I've noticed a lot of the time that in mafia when 2 people have a pretty big 1v1 they rarely rarely rarely end up being both scum. Other people also rarely read then as both scum.

So I wanted to try it for this game.

Example from game thread of that theater:

Spoiler:

Wrt enigma I feel like I've explained this. Maybe it will help if you read the first 5 pages. Like the pagetop thing is very noticable in his ISO. It isn't something he does on a whim or like when the opportunity presents itself. He has and is inflating his post count with just pagetops. Now the issue is that just taking pagetops is in itself anti-town because it does nothing helpful for the game. That's where the policy lynch comes in. However since people of both alignments do it site meta forces us not to lynch anyone who does it or we'll have a lot of dead townies (though in all honesty if we all did it for like 2 weeks everyone would stop). So if both scum and town do it you have to evaluate their posts as a whole and see if it is more likely coming from scum pov or town pov. He wasn't just taking pagetops he dedicated a few posts just talking about him going for pagetops. He also in those pages didn't give any opinions on any people. When he wasn't talking about pagetops he just gave a few comments on the setup spec - an easy way to look like he's part of the conversation without actually progressing the game. He also voted for vex? What makes him so special he needs 2 RVS votes instead of just 1 like everyone else? Everyone easily shrugged it off because he said he would do it but why the vote in the first place? He wasn't tring vex. Actually more accurately he hadn't claimed any opinion on vex at that point.

tl;dr: 2 scum go at it for distancing in the early game because they think townies will not scumread two people getting into a 1v1 on d1 as s+s, often for kinda shaky reasons

it's not limited to d1 but usually theater has a strategic use given the timing it is performed

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With Gamma emerald going page-by-page and reading every post, I have a good solid townread on him. Replacing into a game, what I would expect scum to do is to simply play along without analyzing the previous posts.

By the way, @gamma emerald, how long do you think it will be before you catch up completely?

There are a lot of posts in this game, and it is getting more posts every day.

this progression is really weird tonally, and 1232 is pretty surface-level and a bit slimy

[DVa]

Dolphins?!

That was the flavor name of Mini Normal 2033.

[DVa]

DVa, would you care to dance?

I'm damn tempted, but I'm still working through your thought process irt Flubber, Carca, and Creature/Short slot

Hoping I can accept before the end of this dayphase tho

[DVa]

Btw pardon any typos, doing this while walking home with groceries

this is lowkey off/topic but how do you multiquote from your phone?

[DVa]

if one wanted to go nutty one could call Carca town

Like could you expand on this a bit more and your read of Carca rn. Also, what do you think of Flubber's softpush on Carca?

[DVa]

@Garmr -- this is the fresh perspective of someone who just replaced in:

Spoiler: xx ISO concerns

@Creature, that chart is for posts you like, don't like, or find neutral, as I've found while Reading through. But why do you say like/don't like rather than scummy or town?
Let me vote you.
VOTE: creature

Uh, ok.

I'm townreading creature and completely trustworthy.

While you're still voting Creature?

Just curious, which posts by Garmr do you dislike Creature?
VOTE: AP

Dunno, I'm just counting posts I like, dislike or find null.

This is another reason why I'm townreading creature, which I forgot to point out. This accounts for the fact that not all posts are black and white. He's just stating whether he's liking, not liking, or finding neutral those posts. Town players generally will have a somewhat concrete read, by that I mean they aren't changing opinions too quickly, but they won't be extremely concrete, because there is always other possibilities.

But... you're voting Creature.

@sephiroth, for some reason, I think your posts were attempting to tunnel. You also took back what you said immediately after. I don't think those are likely to come from someone who is town.
VOTE: sephiroth, at least for now.

Is he tunneling, or is he waffling?

The two aren't the same.

I can understand both of your points, but Nosferatu's posts seem a lot more relaxed and likely to come from town. However, Sephiroth, your posts are somewhat leaning scummy.

You are welcome to that read, but this is also just kind of how I talk.

You do seem that way when I read your posts.
UNVOTE: for now.

So you unvote just like that?

Not to self: ISO Sephiroth.

I think the Nosferatu and Sephiroth 1v1 could either be a TvT or a SvT. I think it's more of a TvT, though, because it appears more like a misunderstanding. I don't expect two scum to be doing this, though, for that would attract too much attention, especially due to the fact that this 1v1 lasted for a long time in terms of pages, and anyone skimming through the game could have noticed it.

Now to self: ISO Nosferatu AND Sephiroth.

xx2008/

Carcalilly

/Maxous/Garmr/Inferno390/Creature/FA_Q2/

Shattiel

/Completly Trustworthy/Flubbernugget/DVa

This is how my "unsorted" lynch pool looks like. The others are either TRs or Town leans for now.

Out of the crowd I'm slightly more pinged by the bolded. Carca basically for doing the exact same thing she did in a recent previous game when she was scum and tried to fake a connection with a town slot. Shattiel bc I suspect this to be someone I know and the 2nd post of hers (she only posted 2) is somewhat worrying if my guess is correct.

Of the two I'd give Shattiel a bit more time, but if this lurking continues and she only pops up to say "hi, I'm here, greetings," and so forth I suggest to lynch with fire. Also if she decides to completely vanish off the face of the planet we should lynch the slot. (If anyone knows for sure who Shattiel is and can confirm she's

not the person I'm describing

step up now, please).

Also keeping an eye on Creature. It's not the count of his posts, but rather the content. So far it's a lot of noise so it's NAI, because that's how he would start the game as either alignment of late. As Town though he will provide some reads and commit to them (sometimes spot on, sometimes garbage reads, but he will commit to them and argue for his PoV). As scum he still finds it hard to come up with a good reason to vote anyone, so there's that.

I need more time to try and sort Maxous, FA_Q2 & Flubber. I can't promise I'll ever return a confident read on the likes of Garmr, Inferno & DVa, but we will see.

xx & CT I'll leave for someone else to sort.

Regarding your view on shattiel, I think your post is kind of scummy, because at the point of this post, shattiel has only made two posts. I very slightly feel like you're trying to shade shattiel with your post.
But after you made your post, shattiel began posting, which could imply lurking, because if shattiel was simply inactive, she would not have had the time to read that many posts she missed and see your post about her inactivity. If you're town, then I can see a scum shattiel.

So who would you Lynch first? Because you criticize AP but say he's likely town if his accusations which you are criticizing are correct.

@Creature, that chart is for posts you like, don't like, or find neutral, as I've found while Reading through. But why do you say like/don't like rather than scummy or town?
Let me vote you.
VOTE: creature

Just curious, which posts by Garmr do you dislike Creature?
VOTE: AP

Dunno, I'm just counting posts I like, dislike or find null.

This is another reason why I'm townreading creature, which I forgot to point out. This accounts for the fact that not all posts are black and white. He's just stating whether he's liking, not liking, or finding neutral those posts. Town players generally will have a somewhat concrete read, by that I mean they aren't changing opinions too quickly, but they won't be extremely concrete, because there is always other possibilities.

@sephiroth, for some reason, I think your posts were attempting to tunnel. You also took back what you said immediately after. I don't think those are likely to come from someone who is town.
VOTE: sephiroth, at least for now.

I think the Nosferatu and Sephiroth 1v1 could either be a TvT or a SvT. I think it's more of a TvT, though, because it appears more like a misunderstanding. I don't expect two scum to be doing this, though, for that would attract too much attention, especially due to the fact that this 1v1 lasted for a long time in terms of pages, and anyone skimming through the game could have noticed it.

Regarding your view on shattiel, I think your post is kind of scummy, because at the point of this post, shattiel has only made two posts. I very slightly feel like you're trying to shade shattiel with your post.
But after you made your post, shattiel began posting, which could imply lurking, because if shattiel was simply inactive, she would not have had the time to read that many posts she missed and see your post about her inactivity. If you're town, then I can see a scum shattiel.

I've been taking a look at few isos I think someone may have pointed this out before? Not sure

But you voted him for the same reason you townread him later? I don't think your question to creature even clarified anything.
Then theres Seph push then pull also the posts in reply to AP's about me.
Theres alot of throwing shits to see what sticks.
xx2008 is prob a newbie but I don't think he deserves a vip pass

I made that vote on creature to get a reaction from him. Then, I unvote him later, after re-thinking the situation. Creature seems town to me.

Hmm. But why were you calling him town while still voting him?

I'm better off doing an iso on a computer, where quoting is much easier, so that's why I'm choosing not to do one on phone right now.

I'm managing.

I'm not sure why everyone is voting Sephiroth. I don't find him super scummy. I think this is a scum-driven wagon, but I might be wrong.

Gross. Take a stand.

I skimmed through the posts I missed, and I kind of feel like dva is somewhat scummy in terms of wagons, but I can also see some genuine scum hunting.

More fence-sitting.

My scumreads are currently dva and ofhrz.

This feels like a rectal pinch read.

Personally, I'd like to see this happen:

VOTE: xx2008

Do you feel this case has merit?

[DVa]

Jason, what do you think of Short's case in 1274?

[DVa]

I've been helping out in a political campaign lately and invested a lot of effort into it.

You missed an opportunity to say you were helping out Leia's political campaign, Lando. Now we're all going to assume it was Palpatine

[DVa]

I think this is where I'm at rn

Scum but not today's lynch: Maxous

Candidates for today's lynch:
xx2008
Flubber

[DVa]

the only way I'm voting flubber today is in the dying minutes to avoid a no lynch because I suck at sorting him this early.

tell us the story of why you're unwilling to give a read of the leading wagon

[DVa]

GG