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Shattiel · Post Post #155 (isolation #1) » Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:28 pm

I was gonna post early but the host locked me in his dungeon and forced me to read the rules before I get to post so..
You can blame him if we lose now.

Shattiel · Post Post #291 (isolation #2) » Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:20 pm

Hi, I'm here

Shattiel · Post Post #293 (isolation #3) » Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:31 pm

This one is scum.

VOTE: Inferno390

Shattiel · Post Post #295 (isolation #4) » Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:32 pm

In post 292, Garmr wrote:
In post 291, Shattiel wrote:Hi, I'm here
But are you.

no u

Shattiel · Post Post #298 (isolation #5) » Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:10 pm

In post 140, Garmr wrote:
In post 87, profii wrote:
In post 86, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 80, profii wrote:I think we are referring to garmr as trolling (I certainly was)
Yes.

Why would it make sense to rate posts as like/dislike as opposed to scummy/not scummy?

@creature can you weigh in on this?
One theory could be that by RAG rating every post you “appear” transparent because you can’t hide your opinion on anything

But calling it like / dislike could be just giving yourself wiggle room if it all goes wrong

It’s tricky to decide because it’s very early and imo it’s not AI to change your mind, so potentially at some point Creature may go “player X was 10-2-1 but Y happened so now the score is 2-4-7” and I’m interested to see if he will overcome that scenario

Idk
This I don't like as it's trying to explain creatures actions despite him saying earlier it's better to ask why.

So my opinion is mixed and I'm trying to sort him out in my head.

I liked profii's first few posts but I agree with this one.

Shattiel · Post Post #299 (isolation #6) » Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:14 pm

Flubb seems new and I'm bad at reading newbies but he's prob town.

Shattiel · Post Post #301 (isolation #7) » Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:15 pm

In post 300, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 299, Shattiel wrote:Flubb seems new and I'm bad at reading newbies but he's prob town.
Flubb ain’t new. We joined site within two weeks of each other, and we’ve had many an adventure together throughout the years.

not gonna lie he posts like one.
I guess thats normal then since you're not scum reading him?

Shattiel · Post Post #378 (isolation #8) » Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:39 pm

In post 274, Sephiroth wrote:I wanted to policy lynch AP coming into this game but he's growing on me now.

You have to admit the whole thing is a little charming.

fuck and here I'm thinking of shooting him for those corny posts

Shattiel · Post Post #379 (isolation #9) » Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:40 pm

Seph is town btw that 1v1 is ass

Shattiel · Post Post #380 (isolation #10) » Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:46 pm

In post 282, xx2008 wrote:I think the Nosferatu and Sephiroth 1v1 could either be a TvT or a SvT. I think it's more of a TvT, though, because it appears more like a misunderstanding. I don't expect two scum to be doing this, though, for that would attract too much attention, especially due to the fact that this 1v1 lasted for a long time in terms of pages, and anyone skimming through the game could have noticed it.

:fry:

Shattiel · Post Post #381 (isolation #11) » Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:49 pm

In post 283, Garmr wrote:
In post 271, Maxous wrote:Seph - Nos slapfight seems like both town.

I'd be more confident about Sephiroth.

Creature is actually getting scummy in my book. He's keeps flailing when people ask him simple questions to explain what he wrote.
I agree with this but in reverse I'm more confident in Nos than seph. Want to join the creature wagon then apply more pressure?

garmr is still doing nothing in the pretense of "pressuring" creature because his vote is on him.

Shattiel · Post Post #383 (isolation #12) » Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:57 pm

In post 322, Performer wrote: @FL or anyone else - if you know who shatt is, do tell so we can meta that slot . I'm finding it hard to read it

I'm not an alt. It's been awhile since I played here in MS I only play here occasionally.

But heres a tip I'm locktown

I'm the second IC

Shattiel · Post Post #393 (isolation #13) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 12:46 am

Hi. I'll be done catching up soon

Shattiel · Post Post #395 (isolation #14) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 12:58 am

In post 354, Creature wrote:
In post 301, Shattiel wrote:
In post 300, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 299, Shattiel wrote:Flubb seems new and I'm bad at reading newbies but he's prob town.
Flubb ain’t new. We joined site within two weeks of each other, and we’ve had many an adventure together throughout the years.
not gonna lie he posts like one.
I guess thats normal then since you're not scum reading him?
Ouch

shots fired..
I thought for sure flubb would come charging at me

In post 357, Creature wrote:Shattiel town too

Have fun

ofc

Shattiel · Post Post #397 (isolation #15) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:10 am

In post 363, xx2008 wrote: Regarding your view on shattiel, I think your post is kind of scummy, because at the point of this post, shattiel has only made two posts. I very slightly feel like you're trying to shade shattiel with your post.
But after you made your post, shattiel began posting, which could imply lurking, because if shattiel was simply inactive, she would not have had the time to read that many posts she missed and see your post about her inactivity. If you're town, then I can see a scum shattiel.

lurking = scum seems easy and his read on me is based on someone else meta anyway
His posts was on latest page at that so I saw it while I was scrolling down to post

Shattiel · Post Post #398 (isolation #16) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:13 am

In post 396, Carcalilly wrote:Shatti what do u think Nos' role is

idk why do I have to speculate about roles?

Shattiel · Post Post #399 (isolation #17) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:18 am

In post 366, Nosferatu wrote:ah the first scum replace out

ah the second scum is distancing

Shattiel · Post Post #400 (isolation #18) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:33 am

In post 376, Completly Trustworthy wrote:I didn't really like 347, there was a large gap between it and 271, I feel like there should have been a lot to comment on. He scumread Ohrz to begin with because he came in and said very little, so it seems a bit strange for him to go for long stretches without saying anything.

he couldve just lurk instead of making his presence known.

Shattiel · Post Post #401 (isolation #19) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:37 am

In post 394, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 390, Garmr wrote:
In post 389, DVa wrote:tbh I'm mostly just moving off AP who I'm hoping will now stop hitting on me, Maxous seems like fine wagon but is hardly lockscum

ofhrz is town tho, you must believe in the heart of the cards on that one
I'm indiffrent but ofhrz isn't on my is scum list. Would like to see more posting.

But I can understand somewhat your jump. There really isn't anyone besides creature to me that jumps out as scum even then creatures only kinda scummy.
Not even Shattiel? Who is a mighty fine Day vig shot of I can throw that out there.

Wut you wanna fight me baldy?

Shattiel · Post Post #402 (isolation #20) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:46 am

Finished
I've formed some opinions on people while I was catching up but I haven't been keeping track of it now it's all hazy after I caught up -.-
Anyway not the highest wim on d1..
Also I'm lynchproof btw

Shattiel · Post Post #406 (isolation #21) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 4:43 am

In post 403, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 395, Shattiel wrote:shots fired..
I thought for sure flubb would come charging at me
...and this would have helped you tell my alignment?

probably? I mean I won't know what you'll say if you really did come charging at me ;P

Shattiel · Post Post #407 (isolation #22) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 4:45 am

In post 404, Nosferatu wrote:
In post 398, Shattiel wrote:
In post 396, Carcalilly wrote:Shatti what do u think Nos' role is
idk why do I have to speculate about roles?
dont be such a stick in the mud

okay you can be a cop then.. and I'm Vig.

Shattiel · Post Post #410 (isolation #23) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:09 am

Shattiel · Post Post #421 (isolation #24) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:24 am

In post 413, Creature wrote:(oh nvm, his avatar is dog, I meant dog whining)

it's a wolf

Shattiel · Post Post #424 (isolation #25) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:27 am

In post 415, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 401, Shattiel wrote:
In post 394, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 390, Garmr wrote:
In post 389, DVa wrote:tbh I'm mostly just moving off AP who I'm hoping will now stop hitting on me, Maxous seems like fine wagon but is hardly lockscum

ofhrz is town tho, you must believe in the heart of the cards on that one
I'm indiffrent but ofhrz isn't on my is scum list. Would like to see more posting.

But I can understand somewhat your jump. There really isn't anyone besides creature to me that jumps out as scum even then creatures only kinda scummy.
Not even Shattiel? Who is a mighty fine Day vig shot of I can throw that out there.
Wut you wanna fight me baldy?
I'll just introduce you to the sharks.

ur mom gay

Shattiel · Post Post #425 (isolation #26) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:40 am

In post 417, Creature wrote:(I also still need a hydra partner for that fucking hydra event)

fuck the hydra just create an alt then play it alone

Shattiel · Post Post #427 (isolation #27) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:43 am

In post 420, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 407, Shattiel wrote:
In post 404, Nosferatu wrote:
In post 398, Shattiel wrote:
In post 396, Carcalilly wrote:Shatti what do u think Nos' role is
idk why do I have to speculate about roles?
dont be such a stick in the mud
okay you can be a cop then.. and I'm Vig.
Carca what do you think shattiel's role is? If you guess right I won't let town lynch you ever.

man I'm trying hard not to be outed as investigative pr here..
Would appreciate it if people stop talking about roles.

Shattiel · Post Post #428 (isolation #28) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:44 am

In post 423, Creature wrote:Why didn't I notice it earlier?

According to the hypothesis it's probably because you're a wolf who's subconciously using tmi thats why your brain refused to perceive the image as wolf when the actual user is just a harmless puppy.. Hmm?

Shattiel · Post Post #429 (isolation #29) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:50 am

In post 426, Garmr wrote:
In post 421, Shattiel wrote:
In post 413, Creature wrote:(oh nvm, his avatar is dog, I meant dog whining)
it's a wolf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garmr

it says wolf or dog but the picture you used is definitely a WOLF

Anyway I don't remember seeing a VC for the past few pages

Shattiel · Post Post #432 (isolation #30) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 7:18 am

UNVOTE:
I'll wait for the sub

Shattiel · Post Post #506 (isolation #31) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:25 pm

In post 458, AP wrote:Serious question: Aside from Creature, who else is a regular MU user?

thats me

Shattiel · Post Post #507 (isolation #32) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:35 pm

In post 469, AP wrote:
In post 466, Sephiroth wrote:Man there's really not much going on in this game, huh.
Which is EXACTLY why I was asking about MU users. This feels like a game on MU with like 3-4K posts (sometimes double as much if it's a really large game) but very little substance.

You get a TR for finally saying it aloud.

lol you're not wrong but I think this game is just slow which is what I also like here in MS the long deadlines. It's pretty chill

Shattiel · Post Post #510 (isolation #33) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:46 pm

In post 501, DVa wrote:I do PoE in all of my games, I just don't always frame it as such. In large games with few clear scumreads and few hard townreads it becomes more essential. I do prioritize lynches on my scumreads that are lower risk mislynches in all games.

who do you think is better lynch between FA_Q and Shattiel?

but but why me?

Shattiel · Post Post #511 (isolation #34) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:48 pm

Should just let the lynch be rather than controlling it

Shattiel · Post Post #514 (isolation #35) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:13 pm

In post 83, xx2008 wrote:@Creature, that chart is for posts you like, don't like, or find neutral, as I've found while Reading through. But why do you say like/don't like rather than scummy or town?
Let me vote you.
VOTE: creature

In post 151, xx2008 wrote:
In post 70, Creature wrote:
In post 68, Completly Trustworthy wrote:Just curious, which posts by Garmr do you dislike Creature?
VOTE: AP
Dunno, I'm just counting posts I like, dislike or find null.
This is another reason why I'm townreading creature, which I forgot to point out. This accounts for the fact that not all posts are black and white. He's just stating whether he's liking, not liking, or finding neutral those posts. Town players generally will have a somewhat concrete read, by that I mean they aren't changing opinions too quickly, but they won't be extremely concrete, because there is always other possibilities.

In post 221, xx2008 wrote:@sephiroth, for some reason, I think your posts were attempting to tunnel. You also took back what you said immediately after. I don't think those are likely to come from someone who is town.
VOTE: sephiroth, at least for now.

In post 282, xx2008 wrote:I think the Nosferatu and Sephiroth 1v1 could either be a TvT or a SvT. I think it's more of a TvT, though, because it appears more like a misunderstanding. I don't expect two scum to be doing this, though, for that would attract too much attention, especially due to the fact that this 1v1 lasted for a long time in terms of pages, and anyone skimming through the game could have noticed it.

In post 363, xx2008 wrote: Regarding your view on shattiel, I think your post is kind of scummy, because at the point of this post, shattiel has only made two posts. I very slightly feel like you're trying to shade shattiel with your post.
But after you made your post, shattiel began posting, which could imply lurking, because if shattiel was simply inactive, she would not have had the time to read that many posts she missed and see your post about her inactivity. If you're town, then I can see a scum shattiel.

I've been taking a look at few isos I think someone may have pointed this out before? Not sure

But you voted him for the same reason you townread him later? I don't think your question to creature even clarified anything.
Then theres Seph push then pull also the posts in reply to AP's about me.
Theres alot of throwing shits to see what sticks.
xx2008 is prob a newbie but I don't think he deserves a vip pass

Shattiel · Post Post #515 (isolation #36) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:24 pm

In post 512, DVa wrote:There are 19 players and you are currently voting no one because you are waiting for the replacement on the one player being replaced.

Who are the other scum Shattiel?

theres 10 days dw bout it

In post 513, DVa wrote:
In post 510, Shattiel wrote:
In post 501, DVa wrote:I do PoE in all of my games, I just don't always frame it as such. In large games with few clear scumreads and few hard townreads it becomes more essential. I do prioritize lynches on my scumreads that are lower risk mislynches in all games.

who do you think is better lynch between FA_Q and Shattiel?
but but why me?
Currently you are under consideration because there is no discernible reason to townread you that I can see. Why is your current play not best described as "active lurking" fypov?

uh it is..
Though let's call it chilling instead of lurking so it sounds less scummy

Shattiel · Post Post #523 (isolation #37) » Thu Nov 01, 2018 2:46 am

Shattiel · Post Post #525 (isolation #38) » Thu Nov 01, 2018 3:09 am

I'm actually around cos I don't have anything to do the whole day

Anyway the first case thats me throwing shade alright I just want to see you somewhere. I see you just getting comfy on the spot.
And tbf the statement that I agreed is just an answer because you were asked.
The second one thats not me justifying I'm just saying that theres no formula that lurking always = scum

"I would expect town that lurks to drop a post and not change their activity patterns based on what people say."

- it's just more of a fact that I get involved into conversations more when people are talking about me..

"But if shat actually scum read the slot why not keep the vote on a scum read replacing out doesn't change the alignment. This shows shat is worried about image."

- and what you gonna scum read the new person who doesnt know anything about a post he didnt make?
It's better to give him some space because even if the alignment is the same he's not the same person.

And the last one.. when am I under pressure?
Rathe than shade thats just me pointing out what I found in his iso and no I'm not calling him scum he's leaning there but nah it's not good enough for me to scream a lynch.. just like your case. BOOM pewpew

Shattiel · Post Post #526 (isolation #39) » Thu Nov 01, 2018 3:13 am

Jesus I cant even type a two sentence post in MU

Shattiel · Post Post #527 (isolation #40) » Thu Nov 01, 2018 3:21 am

I actually only isoed two people FA xx2008 I'll do more later.
I'll stick the live chat for now

Shattiel · Post Post #528 (isolation #41) » Thu Nov 01, 2018 3:32 am

In post 522, Garmr wrote:
It's how they are handled and I don't think they are handling it the town way.

lets throw some questions back
@Garmr how do you think a "town" should handle it?
How is it scummy anyway?

Shattiel · Post Post #531 (isolation #42) » Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:45 am

#529 (just gonna do this to prevent quote walls)
Yes thats me poking you.
Its not a scumread anyway so why should I follow up?

"You say it wasn't you justifying lurking doesn't mean it wasn't justifying as you are implying "town can do this so ignore me doing it basically."

- Nah his point is different it's "He could be lurking so he could be scum" go read his post.

"Alignment doesn't change with replacements I would pressure the person coming in or move to a different scum read till they come back then push them some more. You did neither."

- The person isn't even here yet -.- I wouldn't pressure just for the sake of pressure anyway. If you think I'm so sure of my read that I want blood on that slot then sorry but no its just a thing I noticed when I first came in.
And I was looking for reads thats what the isos are for.

Pressure because I post when I get called? Even if you post memes as long as I get mentioned I'll reply to it.

And the last one as I said earlier it's just what I thought about his iso just laying it out there for everyone to see if you call it scummy just because I didn't input what I think about his alignment then lol.

Shattiel · Post Post #535 (isolation #43) » Thu Nov 01, 2018 5:36 am

In post 532, Flubbernugget wrote:Just telling everyone ahead of time I'm probably not reading this upcoming pissing match

scratch the upcoming part :p

Shattiel · Post Post #536 (isolation #44) » Thu Nov 01, 2018 5:38 am

In post 533, Flubbernugget wrote:Shattiel

Who is scum?

idk

Shattiel · Post Post #538 (isolation #45) » Thu Nov 01, 2018 5:49 am

Dafaq Shattiel is obviously an angelic name not some tall black dude.

Shattiel · Post Post #612 (isolation #46) » Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:12 pm

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Shattiel · Post Post #617 (isolation #47) » Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:45 pm

In post 545, Garmr wrote:
In post 531, Shattiel wrote:#529 (just gonna do this to prevent quote walls)
Yes thats me poking you.
Its not a scumread anyway so why should I follow up?
You said you were throwing shade before. What did you get out the poke? Despite it being somewhat of a misrep you didn't produce anything out of it. You didn't poke even more when

"You say it wasn't you justifying lurking doesn't mean it wasn't justifying as you are implying "town can do this so ignore me doing it basically."
- Nah his point is different it's "He could be lurking so he could be scum" go read his post.
Doesn't change your defence. Also I noted what I think a town lurker would of done you ignored that.

i]"Alignment doesn't change with replacements I would pressure the person coming in or move to a different scum read till they come back then push them some more. You did neither."[/i] - The person isn't even here yet -.- I wouldn't pressure just for the sake of pressure anyway. If you think I'm so sure of my read that I want blood on that slot then sorry but no its just a thing I noticed when I first came in.
And I was looking for reads thats what the isos are for.
This is like cherry picking a bit. Why didn't you shift your vote to someone you scum read or wanted to get info out then?

Pressure because I post when I get called? Even if you post memes as long as I get mentioned I'll reply to it.
So your not proactive ok then.

And the last one as I said earlier it's just what I thought about his iso just laying it out there for everyone to see if you call it scummy just because I didn't input what I think about his alignment then lol.
Then your just throwing stuff out there to try and look like your doing something. Your not trying to work towards solving this game.

Just gonna reply to this and I won't talk about this shit anymore

It's exactly called a poke because it's just to get your attention to tell you that I'm watching and don't like you sitting there.

I didn't see the part of your "what a town lurker shouldve done" and I couldn't be bothered to look for it.
If you really know what a "town lurker" and "scum lurker" looks like then you'd be the fucking goat but you're obviously not.

Why do I need to keep my vote up on someone elses ass all the time? I haven't gone in depth for the existing info yet I don't need more.

And if sharing what you think in the thread counts as "trying to look like you're doing something" then this is why I don't want to talk about this shit anymore

Shattiel · Post Post #618 (isolation #48) » Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:48 pm

In post 616, Garmr wrote:
In post 612, Shattiel wrote:¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Sigh I hate these types of responses it kills the flow of information that's outputted.

no u

Shattiel · Post Post #622 (isolation #49) » Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:56 pm

In post 597, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 584, Maxous wrote:
In post 517, RCEnigma wrote:Town in no particular order:

Creature
Garmr
Profii
Ofrhz
Nosferatu
Dva
Flavor Leaf is last.

Slots I think I was supposed to be reading town but don't remember why:

Performer
AP, that would be unnatural

Null:

Xx
Carcalilly
Flubbernugget
Inferno
CT
FA_Q2 but could be scum

Probably scum:
Sephiroth
Maxous

Scum:
Shattiel
Taking a note to come back to this read-list later because i don't like it at all.
.
Soft shattiel defense, shading without depth. Do you want to hear my case on Shattiel or no? Probably not. I understand.

but I want to

Shattiel · Post Post #624 (isolation #50) » Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:00 pm

In post 598, Completly Trustworthy wrote:Garmr's push on Shattiel fits Garmr's town meta, especially the aggression. I also felt like his case was understandable and featured some of the better reasoning I've seen so far in this game. So that push made me feel better about him than before. I don't like Shattiel much though, I'm curious why some people are townreading her like Maxxous and Sephiroth. I looked at one of their previous games, Touhou UCanPick5, and they were very forthright in their reads from the beginning. They didn't seem to be as reactive there. So, I think that wagon is the best one so far.

VOTE: Shattiel

You too I want to hear why..
That meta is invalid btw that was like what almost a year ago? And I was day 4 replace in

Shattiel · Post Post #625 (isolation #51) » Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:02 pm

In post 623, DVa wrote:Shattiel idk if you're phone posting or what but quoting a full wall of text for a 4 word reply is basically not ok

I am indeed phone posting and I got lazy formatting it

Shattiel · Post Post #626 (isolation #52) » Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:06 pm

If creature is town then I think he should be pretty easy to read later on thats why I don't wanna look there for now.

Shattiel · Post Post #638 (isolation #53) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:52 am

In post 636, RCEnigma wrote:Was going to wall for Shattiel but the gist of it is: wtf is your play.

When I think of scum objectives, confusion is one and that's all I get when I consider what you're doing. The whole don't look at me but look at me thing with all of the pseudoclaims.

I don't really care much of everyone else finds it nai or that you're trying to bait a nk (you aren't). It's literal active lurking.

Why is seph town in seph v nos but nos isn't? Why is seph town at all. Why are you and Max so friendly without engaging each other? What makes Garmr looking for more pressure on his scumread scummy?

Why is AP getting scummier everytime he posts?

Confusion being one of scum objectives seems very textbook I know this may sound wifom coming from me but have you actually seen scum sacrifice their own play just to confuse people? If anything it should be self preservation that comes first before they'd even think about doing it.
Anyway people seem to think that every post should have a game solving reason hidden behind it but I just fuck around too much sorry bout that.

Seph is town cos I can see his tunnel was him just being attentive to details like when nos just called out that thing(I forgot)
Nos response I just don't see anything towny so null

Are the other questions for me?
Max and I are actually masons

Shattiel · Post Post #639 (isolation #54) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:54 am

I post walls so much and all of it is pretty much me entertaining people's case..

This is so sad alexa

Shattiel · Post Post #643 (isolation #55) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:07 am

In post 642, RCEnigma wrote:They were all for you.

I don't think I said those?
I think you've got the wrong person

Shattiel · Post Post #649 (isolation #56) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 6:03 am

The mason claim is actually a joke.
[Insert meme here]

Shattiel · Post Post #651 (isolation #57) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 6:09 am

In post 650, Flavor Leaf wrote:Man, who fakes or jokes about being a mason...

me unfortunately..

Shattiel · Post Post #652 (isolation #58) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 6:11 am

It's a joke answer to RC's silly question

Why are you and Max so friendly without engaging each other?

Shattiel · Post Post #657 (isolation #59) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 6:16 am

In post 644, RCEnigma wrote:I may have misread 381. Still, thoughts on why garmr bugs you?

And the AP question isn't in reference I just want to know if you think he's scum or not (hint, he is).

Well his case is wrong first of all then he doesn't seem to get wtf I'm talking about and now his seeing these posts of mine with a big red lens.

Haven't really noticed AP much.

Shattiel · Post Post #660 (isolation #60) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 6:18 am

In post 655, RCEnigma wrote:It's not a silly question it is odd behavior. Not only from your slot. There is a trend:

Shattiel/Maxous
Dva/ofhrz
Creature/me
I'm sure there are others that aren't as obvious but have soft defended each other without actually engaging.

Well good to know that you're keeping it in check but it just sounds silly if you ask that question to a town.

Shattiel · Post Post #664 (isolation #61) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 6:23 am

In post 662, RCEnigma wrote:Yeah I guess it might be, if I was asking town.

I know thats why it's silly

Even if you ask that to a scum what do you expect the answer would be?

Shattiel · Post Post #668 (isolation #62) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 6:29 am

In post 663, Performer wrote:Shatt you DO know if you joke about pr claims, an actual pr might be outed. You know that...right??

inb4 ct/garm/nos/saud/(lapsa) say "oh there is traditional Performer again"

I didn't think people would actually believe that. I was just being sarcastic lol
Shouldn't have done that here my bad ;p

Shattiel · Post Post #669 (isolation #63) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 6:31 am

In post 665, RCEnigma wrote:Something along the lines of "we're masons" or something like that idk.

sounds like town tbh

Shattiel · Post Post #670 (isolation #64) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 6:33 am

In post 667, Flubbernugget wrote:The town play on MS continues to descend right down the pooper

hmm
Which "town" play are you referring?

Shattiel · Post Post #673 (isolation #65) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 6:38 am

In post 666, RCEnigma wrote:I'm the only person that thought 5 claims was scummy. Ehh I might just be wrong here then and Shattiel really is a lynchproof 2 shot vig cop mason that's revealed IC on request.

oh I didn't say I'm bulletproof?
I'm bulletproof too btw.

For real tho those joke claims is a matter of site meta.
Some are just meh with it then some are like lynch all liars
MS is the latter. got it.

Shattiel · Post Post #675 (isolation #66) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 6:43 am

In post 672, Flubbernugget wrote:The one that says "wait for maxous to confirm the masonry and do something else in the meantime"

garm or trustworthy?
When did you start townreading one or both of them?

Shattiel · Post Post #676 (isolation #67) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 6:48 am

In post 674, Garmr wrote:
In post 668, Shattiel wrote:
In post 663, Performer wrote:Shatt you DO know if you joke about pr claims, an actual pr might be outed. You know that...right??

inb4 ct/garm/nos/saud/(lapsa) say "oh there is traditional Performer again"
I didn't think people would actually believe that. I was just being sarcastic lol
Shouldn't have done that here my bad ;p
Thank fuck I didn't fuck over masons again.

VOTE: Shattiel

watch me claim mason 1hr before eod

Shattiel · Post Post #679 (isolation #68) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 6:51 am

In post 677, Performer wrote:
In post 672, Flubbernugget wrote:The one that says "wait for maxous to confirm the masonry and do something else in the meantime"
I want to see max's response about what shattiel just did.

wait where did you actually say that?

Shattiel · Post Post #683 (isolation #69) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 6:55 am

In post 682, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 675, Shattiel wrote:
In post 672, Flubbernugget wrote:The one that says "wait for maxous to confirm the masonry and do something else in the meantime"
garm or trustworthy?
When did you start townreading one or both of them?
What

wtf just call out a name who?

Shattiel · Post Post #687 (isolation #70) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 7:09 am

Dva is derping how can there be only two scums in a 19 player game :p

Shattiel · Post Post #689 (isolation #71) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 7:13 am

Anyway that pair could very well be t/t t/s s/s
Rather than asking the group blatantly wouldn't it be better to look each other individually then find whether its scum buddying/tmi or scum whiteknighting their buddy or just town protecting townreads.

Shattiel · Post Post #692 (isolation #72) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 7:27 am

I'm so popular this game. I got spewed by half the player list already
Pls don't fuss over me :3

Shattiel · Post Post #798 (isolation #73) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 5:30 pm

Trustworthy's thought process is too simple but I trust that he actually believes what he's saying.

Shattiel · Post Post #862 (isolation #74) » Sat Nov 03, 2018 3:04 pm

In post 814, AP wrote:Like, IRL we say call a Homicide Detective "Cop", and yet the Traffic Officer we still call them "Cop". It doesn't matter if they're a Lieutenant, a Sergeant, a Captain or even Commissioner. If they are "Police" they are "Cops" or "Coppers".

why tf does this matter anyway?
Even if its an alignment cop as long as it return town then you just have to believe them. If a town fake claim mason and doesn't take it back it's no longer a joke but game throwing.

Shattiel · Post Post #863 (isolation #75) » Sat Nov 03, 2018 3:09 pm

In post 816, Performer wrote:
In post 798, Shattiel wrote:Trustworthy's thought process is too simple but I trust that he actually believes what he's saying.
Trust me, CT is anything but simple. Learned the hard way in his scum game.
He's become a town lean for me in this game .

VOTE: Flubbernugget

Why'd you trust him then if he's not simple?

Shattiel · Post Post #864 (isolation #76) » Sat Nov 03, 2018 3:13 pm

In post 817, Garmr wrote:
In post 816, Performer wrote:
In post 798, Shattiel wrote:Trustworthy's thought process is too simple but I trust that he actually believes what he's saying.
Trust me, CT is anything but simple. Learned the hard way in his scum game.
He's become a town lean for me in this game .

VOTE: Flubbernugget
I'm not that good at reading flubber. I will compromise on his lynch but I feel like shat is better lynch as there is no resistance to the flubber wagon and isn't really informal compared to shat.

check the vcs

Shattiel · Post Post #865 (isolation #77) » Sat Nov 03, 2018 3:23 pm

In post 852, Creature wrote:Okay, xx can be town

could see that

Shattiel · Post Post #866 (isolation #78) » Sat Nov 03, 2018 3:27 pm

@Nos tou just pop up to complain

Shattiel · Post Post #868 (isolation #79) » Sat Nov 03, 2018 3:31 pm

I'm getting off my lazy ass now guys getting there.
Idk why I play long deadlines when I don't make use of it

Shattiel · Post Post #880 (isolation #80) » Sat Nov 03, 2018 7:33 pm

In post 872, ofrhz wrote:
In post 868, Shattiel wrote:I'm getting off my lazy ass now guys getting there.
Idk why I play long deadlines when I don't make use of it
Why are you still not voting

VOTE: No Lynch

Shattiel · Post Post #939 (isolation #81) » Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:07 am

In post 936, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 916, DVa wrote:I mean, FL just declared you scum, and people sheeped. The wagon on you lacks backing, so it's kinda weird you'd shade it for the wrong reasons. But ok, take your time and get back to us when you've properly caught up
Uhm...I DUBBED him scum. Where’s the lack of backs?

I dab

Shattiel · Post Post #940 (isolation #82) » Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:15 am

Gamma is fine I think.

Shattiel · Post Post #941 (isolation #83) » Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:17 am

In post 926, RCEnigma wrote:Dilly dilly. Still want shattiel to be the lynch. Will compromise for Maxous though.

You're Shat push is getting boring tbh
You need something new

Shattiel · Post Post #942 (isolation #84) » Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:25 am

In post 683, Shattiel wrote:
In post 682, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 675, Shattiel wrote:
In post 672, Flubbernugget wrote:The one that says "wait for maxous to confirm the masonry and do something else in the meantime"
garm or trustworthy?
When did you start townreading one or both of them?
What
wtf just call out a name who?

Just gonna point this question back at @flubber
I don't think you've answered this one

Shattiel · Post Post #944 (isolation #85) » Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:33 am

In post 938, profii wrote:
In post 937, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 932, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 931, profii wrote:I had an epiphany - I think, given the rules about shorter and shorter days and the way a particular person is player, I could hazard a guess at who a serial killer probably could be.

Last time I came up against a serial killer they shot people out of the lynch pool consistently so I'll not out them at this point - hopefully they help us.

I wasn't intending on lynching them thus far, but for today at least, I definitely wont.

Interesting.
You like getting shot? This is how you get shot.
I am playing in a way right now to not get shot.
My idea is that if there is a serial killer, they know they have to behave and help town. If not we can out this theory more fully once we get 2 kills to a) prove their existence and if b) at least one of said kills isn't pro town.

Just hardclaim Serial Killer in bold text and big font imo

Shattiel · Post Post #945 (isolation #86) » Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:36 am

In post 943, Flubbernugget wrote:I dont think I ever said I had a read on either (though garmr comes off as gut town and I do find CT scummy as of recent)

So I have no clue why you're asking that question, what you expect it to accomplish, or how it's related to any of the dumbness surrounding your Mason "gambit"

You called out that the "town play" in MS continues to descend.. which means you're referring to someone who you townread?
I asked for clarification cause it's smells tmi and wolf fur

Shattiel · Post Post #946 (isolation #87) » Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:40 am

And it's not what you would call a gambit btw
Theres not even an advantage by doing it
The mason claim was just me being sarcastic

Shattiel · Post Post #953 (isolation #88) » Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:36 am

In post 948, Flubbernugget wrote:If you're going to fake scumhunting, you should do better than trying to contrive scumslips. They dont work. Period.

Isn't mafia a game of informed minority vs uninformed majority?
They're scums because they are the informed minority
It's because of the info they have thats what differs them from town.. isn't that how you scumhunt then? You find the people who knows shit and just hiding and pretending they don't know anything?

No matter what scums do they have information and they'll slip.
Otherwise there'd be no point to all these pointing fingers accusations and stuffs.
Saying they don't work is BS

Anyway this is basic af

Shattiel · Post Post #955 (isolation #89) » Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:39 am

Okay can I delete that shit I misread that post...
I'll just crawl myself into a hole and die ur welcome >.<

Shattiel · Post Post #956 (isolation #90) » Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:42 am

In post 947, Flubbernugget wrote:It wasn't a particular player. It was the notion in general that the claim was worth investigating *at all* without having maxous check in

welp it was stupid to check a mason claim anyway real or not

Shattiel · Post Post #957 (isolation #91) » Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:46 am

Though saying I'm faking scumhunting and creating scumslips..
If you could elaborate on that one then it would be a better case on me than everything thrown at me so far.

Shattiel · Post Post #959 (isolation #92) » Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:56 am

After reread I still think seph is town this wagon on him is crap
I'm gonna look for a counter wagon.. after I know the current vc

Can I get a vc pls? @Host

Shattiel · Post Post #961 (isolation #93) » Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:57 am

In post 958, RCEnigma wrote:Scum is only scum if they slip?

I mean they have tmi so they'll always slip that they have tmi isn't that right?

Shattiel · Post Post #966 (isolation #94) » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:16 am

In post 962, RCEnigma wrote:That doesn't sound like stable logic.

well put it like this they know who's scum and who's town so they know when what they're saying is the truth or not. They can't not know this so they subconciously support their real reads with some bits of tmi and fake believing their fake reads. they can't really perfectly hide that they don't know anything I think thats how scum slip anyway and how town catch them.

Wtf am I talking about

Shattiel · Post Post #967 (isolation #95) » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:23 am

In post 964, RCEnigma wrote:Current wagons are

Sephiel - creature, Profii, FL, Saudade, Dva, Ofrhz
Flubbernugget - carcalilly, CT, performer.
Shattiel - flubbernugget, garmr, RCEnigma

Would iso the seph voters all his voters are like the fairly active ones.

Shattiel · Post Post #970 (isolation #96) » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:33 am

In post 968, RCEnigma wrote:Ehh town can't *actually* differentiate between fake and real reads with no information to compare it to.

On top of that scum aren't guaranteed to slip.

You're probably talking about the "Hi I'm scum" slips. I'm talking about slips that gave off that they have information that town doesn't know. It won't be that obvious but I think they will always slip that they have info it's just a matter of how good they are at hiding it.

Shattiel · Post Post #971 (isolation #97) » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:38 am

In post 969, RCEnigma wrote:With the exception of Saudade and performer they are all my townreads.

I think you scumread seph earlier?

Shattiel · Post Post #998 (isolation #98) » Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:28 pm

In post 973, RCEnigma wrote:He was in my probably scum pile at I think he's more transparent as town. And pretty much all of my townblock is on the lynch.

where do you think are his buddies?

Shattiel · Post Post #999 (isolation #99) » Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:36 pm

In post 980, AP wrote:My vote isn't doing much on Carca

UNVOTE:

I am firmly against the Seph wagon. I can vote either Flubber or Shattiel, but I dislike Carca on the former and Flubber himself on the latter.

I will wait to see how both wagons build to decide between the two. I won't be voting Seph under any circumstances though.

why are you fine voting me btw just because I'm a wagon?

Shattiel · Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:39 pm

In post 989, Gamma Emerald wrote: Lol hi Shattiel
You’re the same name in MU right?

Yep

Shattiel · Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:44 pm

In post 995, Carcalilly wrote:
In post 879, Completly Trustworthy wrote:I'm liking XX for town, his vote on Sephiroth and later unvote seem very natural. He decided to unvote after all his accusations were addressed and while under little pressure, I feel like he is genuinely rethinking his reads. Also, his ISO analysis often brings up new points that haven't been talked about much like Seph's Ohrz vote and it doesn't really feel like he's using them to push an agenda.
ah shit it's it just me or the contrast of xx, because this feels kinda fake

I could see that post being kinda forced in a way

Shattiel · Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:47 pm

In post 863, Shattiel wrote:
In post 816, Performer wrote:
In post 798, Shattiel wrote:Trustworthy's thought process is too simple but I trust that he actually believes what he's saying.
Trust me, CT is anything but simple. Learned the hard way in his scum game.
He's become a town lean for me in this game .

VOTE: Flubbernugget
Why'd you trust him then if he's not simple?

I don't think this was answered.
It'd be great too if you could elaborate his "scum game"

Shattiel · Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:01 am

In post 1005, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 998, Shattiel wrote:
In post 973, RCEnigma wrote:He was in my probably scum pile at I think he's more transparent as town. And pretty much all of my townblock is on the lynch.
where do you think are his buddies?
Could be anyone, he doesn't have strong connections to any slot in particular. Dva/sephiroth felt much more genuine than nos/sephiroth. So I don't think Dva is a partner.

If Sephiroth is scum there's an least one on his wagon before pressure really gets applied, I'd bet on performer.

Xx could be a partner with his fencesitting reads.
Nos and Seph could have been scum theater.

Dunno, if Sephiroth is scum it doesn't really make a difference today as long as he flips scum.

doubt Seph vs Nos is scum theatre.
Anyway you don't think Seph's buddies are in his counter wagons making an effort to save him? But bussing?

Shattiel · Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:05 am

I don't really have much when it comes to meta so I'm just gonna have to rely on others cause I sure as hell aint gonna meta dive.
@Carcalily do you have some meta too for CT?

Shattiel · Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:06 am

In post 1014, AP wrote:
In post 999, Shattiel wrote:
In post 980, AP wrote:My vote isn't doing much on Carca

UNVOTE:

I am firmly against the Seph wagon. I can vote either Flubber or Shattiel, but I dislike Carca on the former and Flubber himself on the latter.

I will wait to see how both wagons build to decide between the two. I won't be voting Seph under any circumstances though.
why are you fine voting me btw just because I'm a wagon?
because I'm not hard TRing you and have no prior experience with you to give me hop I can do better at reading you later on.

that sounds more like a policy lynch lets talk about your scumreads.

Shattiel · Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:08 am

You could make do without the toxicity tbh

Shattiel · Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:19 am

Idk if just busy but some people seem satisfied with their votes and just stop scumhunting altogether. Theres not just 1 scum -.-

Shattiel · Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:54 pm

In post 1061, AP wrote:
In post 1019, Shattiel wrote:that sounds more like a policy lynch lets talk about your scumreads.
Why does everybody bring up policy lynching so often? I have NO CONFIDENT SCUM READS. I thus opt to use my gut and I know my gut isn't a good tool (some players have good gut reads, but I'm not one of those), but I have no better alternative.

shouldn't you at least try looking for a better alternative right now?

Voting someone because you're not sure you'll be able to read him later is pretty bad.. just because you can't read someone d1 doesn't mean you can't read him for the whole game.

Shattiel · Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:19 pm

Theres still a long way before deadline and its making me lazy -.-
Like theres still so much time I'm not pressured to scumhunt. Its still d1 too.

I'll throw some townreads at least
xx2008
Carca
Saudade
Gamma
AP
CT
ofrhz
Seph

I forgot the reasons for some of them but they're somehow Town in my list I'll prob redo it later.

Shattiel · Tue Nov 06, 2018 9:02 pm

In post 1128, Saudade wrote:Haha im above u gamma and i didnt do shit

They're not in order

Shattiel · Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:03 pm

In post 1136, Saudade wrote:And put me at the top

I got you fam.
Just call some random person scum first and pretend you're scum hunting so that I'll have a good excuse to put you as top town

Shattiel · Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:45 am

In post 1163, Performer wrote: I strongly disagree with the approach on someone who is difficult to read. I know that in MY scum meta, I try my best to coast and stay out of the radar, which ends up being null/hard to read to people. People who are difficult to read remind me of my own scum meta which is precisely that - staying under the radar, not drawing attention, coasting by, limiting if not outright avoiding engagements. That's why we have votes, their our weapons since we cant do night kills like scum can.

Welp connecting "hard to read people" to your scum meta is no longer a policy lynch and could become a legit scum read since you have some basis on it..

It's different from what AP meant..

Shattiel · Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:53 am

In post 1165, AP wrote:
In post 1123, Shattiel wrote:Voting someone because you're not sure you'll be able to read him later is pretty bad.. just because you can't read someone d1 doesn't mean you can't read him for the whole game.
Good point. Perhaps I should unvote, declare VLA until the end of the day and see if I can read someone better on D2. At least if the lynchee flips Town I would be exonerated.

How about NO? (Apologies to REC).

I'm not telling you to give up lol I'm telling you not to be satisfied with just that cause it's bad and you might as well lynch a zero poster with that reason and just bet on dice whether you'd get scum or not.

Anyway why should you unvote? I thought you just sheep someone with your current vote which is 100x better cause at least you acknowledge someone's scumread

Shattiel · Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:56 am

lol All of Sephi's went to flubb

Shattiel · Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:04 am

I see profii Dva ofrhz and performer sticking together

Shattiel · Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:15 am

In post 1315, Shattiel wrote:I see profii Dva ofrhz and performer sticking together

I wouldn't poke there yet but if Seph and Flubb are both town then it's almost guaranteed that at least 1 scum is there.

Shattiel · Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:16 am

In post 1316, shortaru wrote:
In post 1315, Shattiel wrote:I see profii Dva ofrhz and performer sticking together
What does that tell you?

oh hey ninja
You're creature's slot right?
Tell me he randed town

Shattiel · Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:20 am

I'm gonna put both Saudade and Nos on the idc town pile.
Don't have meta on those two though so if anyone have meta on them and you disagree tell me.

Shattiel · Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:40 am

In post 1322, shortaru wrote:
In post 1317, Shattiel wrote:
In post 1315, Shattiel wrote:I see profii Dva ofrhz and performer sticking together
I wouldn't poke there yet but if Seph and Flubb are both town then it's almost guaranteed that at least 1 scum is there.
So if Seph and Flubb both flip green, who do you want to lynch in that group of 4?

hm not sure I'll go into details when it actually happens!

Shattiel · Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:44 am

It's good though that one of the 4 is the counter wagon of flubb
Flubb is with Seph too in voting so it's kinda flubb/seph vs them

Shattiel · Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:46 am

In post 1325, shortaru wrote:
In post 1324, Shattiel wrote:
In post 1322, shortaru wrote:
In post 1317, Shattiel wrote:
In post 1315, Shattiel wrote:I see profii Dva ofrhz and performer sticking together
I wouldn't poke there yet but if Seph and Flubb are both town then it's almost guaranteed that at least 1 scum is there.
So if Seph and Flubb both flip green, who do you want to lynch in that group of 4?
hm not sure I'll go into details when it actually happens!
Nah. I'd like details now.

Is there a particular player(s) you'd most suspect as of right now, or would you just Lynch in that group until you hit red?

But I don't want to! Maybe later!
Definitely won't just rand lynch between the 4 though.

Shattiel · Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:49 am

I'm kinda on a fence sit on which side I should go right now tbh kinda just want to watch it unfold

Shattiel · Thu Nov 08, 2018 6:25 am

In post 1352, shortaru wrote:Shattiel, why are you voting for no Lynch?

thats a placeholder

I'll probably intent to hammer if there nothing new that will came up.

Shattiel · Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:16 am

I'm locktownnow

Shattiel · Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:17 am

Will solve this game later
Kinda busy multigaming right now

Shattiel · Wed Nov 14, 2018 3:21 am

Hi Gonna look at flubb's iso now

Shattiel · Wed Nov 14, 2018 3:22 am

In post 13, Inferno390 wrote:VOTE: Flavor Leaf
It’s an Innocent Child Scum obviously

What’s up, Xx, Profii, Flubber, RCE, Nos, Creature, FL?

In post 14, Flubbernugget wrote:Hi

Fix your vote

In post 15, Inferno390 wrote:Fine
VOTE: Flubbernugget
For telling me what to do.

good look for Saudade's slot here

Shattiel · Wed Nov 14, 2018 3:23 am

In post 55, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 48, profii wrote:What up

Someone do me a favour. I pretty much stick to 13p games where there is typically 3 scum - what is typical here please? I want to work on the basis there are likely X scum until evidence shows otherwise
Do you really need to call a scumteam d1?

In post 60, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 56, profii wrote:
In post 55, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 48, profii wrote:What up

Someone do me a favour. I pretty much stick to 13p games where there is typically 3 scum - what is typical here please? I want to work on the basis there are likely X scum until evidence shows otherwise
Do you really need to call a scumteam d1?
Do you think anyone could possibly do that?
No

Which is why I'm curious as to why you need to work from that basis

profii town

Shattiel · Wed Nov 14, 2018 3:30 am

In post 313, Flubbernugget wrote:I am only caught up to the early nos/seph interaction, which reads like scum theater to me. It started as an argument about bolding a name (uhhhh) and then turned into really shallow snipes at each other about who has more game forwarding content. Neither of them tried reading into motivations for the way each is posting.

kinda suspect nos/seph here
Scum theatre is some bold word wouldn't be surprise if he flash some tmi with one of them in that read

Shattiel · Wed Nov 14, 2018 3:34 am

In post 370, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 325, Carcalilly wrote:is it scum theatre because it looks fake or do you just wanna be a rebel, nugget?

performer...
shh, they can't know yet
Yes. It looked fake. I am perplexed as to how you could infer otherwise.

In post 455, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 435, Carcalilly wrote:I kind of have bad vibes on DVa but I really don't know why yet...
They entered the game with setup spec and no reads (something I have already mentioned).

That's pretty fishy, and for better reason than "bad vibes"

I'm starting to think you're just pulling soft stances out of your ass

Town pointa for carca

Shattiel · Wed Nov 14, 2018 3:38 am

In post 834, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 816, Performer wrote:
In post 798, Shattiel wrote:Trustworthy's thought process is too simple but I trust that he actually believes what he's saying.
Trust me, CT is anything but simple. Learned the hard way in his scum game.
He's become a town lean for me in this game .

VOTE: Flubbernugget
Are you sheeping CT?

Because he's voting me over a post I've made as scum, town, and as no alignment outside of mafia games. And it's a sentiment that a lot of players on MS feel, so it's not like it's an off character thing for me to say either.

In post 835, Flubbernugget wrote:And what ever he's saying about how I've interacted with shattiel vs how garmr did it is literally just dancing around a word count thing. Some people take a lot of words to explain that someone isnt scumhunting. I dont.

Pretty sure performer is town
Flubb is basically telling performer here not to sheep CT cause he's a dumbo
So CT kinda looked good too

Shattiel · Wed Nov 14, 2018 3:42 am

In post 1186, Flubbernugget wrote:
xx2008 wrote:I skimmed through the posts I missed, and I kind of feel like dva is somewhat scummy in terms of wagons, but I can also see some genuine scum hunting.
Agreed

In post 1191, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 1187, xx2008 wrote:I skimmed through ofrhz's posts, and some of them do appear to be scum playing poorly. I've seen him twice vote someone simply because others were voting that person.
Testing the waters bugged me a lot more than the bad case

xx town too
I think flubb tried too buddy xx here cause he's the only one who listened to him

Shattiel · Wed Nov 14, 2018 3:43 am

In post 833, Flubbernugget wrote:Hey flavor

Maxous is town

Sorry about that

this is most likely a tmi though not as confident

Shattiel · Wed Nov 14, 2018 3:50 am

So far thats
Profii
CT
Saudade
Max
Carca
Performer
xx2008
All V I think

Shattiel · Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:01 am

I think Seph/Nos got at least 1 scum

Shattiel · Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:03 am

In post 1171, Not Known 15 wrote:
Vote Count 1.10xx2008(0):

Performer(0):

Carcalilly(0):

Maxous(1):Nosferatu;

Garmr(1):Carcalilly;

Saudade
Inferno390
(0):profii;

Creature(0):

Sephiroth(3):Creature;Saudade;Performer;

Nosferatu(0):

Gamma Emerald
FA_Q2
(0):

AP(1):Maxous;

Shattiel
DS
(3):Flubbernugget;Garmr;RCEnigma;

Completly Trustworthy(0):

Flavor Leaf(0)
:

profii(0):

Flubbernugget(5):Completely Trustworthy;Gamma Emerald;AP;DVa;ofrhz;

DVa(1):xx2008;

RCEnigma(0):

ofrhz(1):Sephiroth;

NoLynch(1):Shattiel;

Not Voting(1):
Flavor Leaf
;

With 19 alive it is 10 to lynch.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2018-11-11 11:11:11) or when a lynch has been achieved.

Creature is being replaced.

Flubb kinda refused to at least self pres to Seph too aftee calling his interaction with nos scum theatre

Shattiel · Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:10 am

In post 1531, Shattiel wrote:So far thats
Profii
CT
Saudade
Max
Carca
Performer
xx2008
All V I think

could be wrong with one of these tbh

Shattiel · Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:32 am

Welp I haven't read a single post for today yet.
Later

Shattiel · Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:54 am

In post 1538, Performer wrote:
In post 1535, Shattiel wrote:Welp I haven't read a single post for today yet.
Later
and yet you claim to be locktown
thinking you are also a good vig shot today

I don't need to read to get a town role card :p
Sure bud

Shattiel · Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:03 am

In post 1554, RCEnigma wrote:Voyeur would just be a watcher no?

yeah voyeur just sounds lewd >//<

Shattiel · Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:07 am

In post 1556, Garmr wrote:
In post 1555, Shattiel wrote:
In post 1554, RCEnigma wrote:Voyeur would just be a watcher no?
yeah voyeur just sounds lewd >//<
The Voyeur learns what actions were performed on a player, but not who targeted them
The Watcher learns who targeted a player, but not what actions were performed on them.

"actions were performed" >\\<

Shattiel · Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:12 am

In post 1562, RCEnigma wrote:Voyeur Shattiel next, it seems he's taken a liking to it.

He should just voyeur those who got the most towncred maybe he'll see some hot furry action >.<

Shattiel · Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:15 am

lmao whats with the suspense though?
Maybe Performer is just fpsing

Shattiel · Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:22 am

Multi tasking joat seems like a game changer
Hell he got 3 investigative actions in 1 night I'm expecting some strong wolf roles to balance it.

Shattiel · Thu Nov 15, 2018 4:34 am

AP just claim your ass role name

Shattiel · Thu Nov 15, 2018 4:39 am

Disloyal Roleblocker is that it?

Shattiel · Thu Nov 15, 2018 4:48 am

In post 1631, AP wrote:
In post 1630, Shattiel wrote:Disloyal Roleblocker is that it?
Do you want extra dressing? Would you like to have a Pepsi with that?

I was thinking some more wolf fur and the word "Scum" before Disloyal

Shattiel · Thu Nov 15, 2018 4:52 am

@Peformer why'd you claim anyway you've got 3 checks ffs and you only.got the most vague one.

Shattiel · Thu Nov 15, 2018 4:57 am

So if that is true
We got
IC
Multitasking Joat
Rolestopper
Disloyal Roleblocker

Then 1 scum flip "goon"
Hell the wolves left must be fkin tanks

Shattiel · Sat Nov 17, 2018 12:24 am

Oh shit I actually got prod

Shattiel · Sat Nov 17, 2018 12:32 am

I'll start isoing some people

Shattiel · Sat Nov 17, 2018 12:32 am

AP just claim scum

Shattiel · Sat Nov 17, 2018 7:02 pm

RC are you woofing?

Shattiel · Sat Nov 17, 2018 7:07 pm

Carca/Saudade/Cain/Seph/Ap/Profii/RC
Got 3 scums I think

Shattiel · Mon Nov 19, 2018 12:41 pm

How bout instead finding scum we should all just claim and make this setup more townsided af.

Shattiel · Mon Nov 19, 2018 12:45 pm

Thats like 5 checks a single night wtf
If you guys picked different targets you could've cleared like 1/3 of the player list in d2

Shattiel · Mon Nov 19, 2018 12:47 pm

In post 2109, AP wrote:I propose I should target RCE. RCE targets Garmr/Saudade. Gamma is also on RCE. Performer does what he wants.

The reason I want Garmer/Saudade checked is their votes on profii suck. I'm not buying Saudade playing the sheep all the time, and Garmr basically sneaked into the wagon out of nowhere.

But maybe I should think more about it to make use of Performer's abilities?

P.S. Many of you know why I have been a bit quiet today, but for those who don't, I've been busy preparing for the launch of my new game, setting up PTs (including 3 hydra slots), sending out Role PMs, verifying links in Role PMs for the umpteenth time, etc.

You're like telling scum who to roleblock if there is..

Shattiel · Fri Nov 30, 2018 12:04 am

Oh this game still exist

Shattiel · Fri Nov 30, 2018 12:12 am

Nero RC ofrhz Nos
Are you guys scum?

Shattiel · Fri Nov 30, 2018 12:27 am

VOTE: Nero Cain

Shattiel · Sun Dec 02, 2018 8:37 pm

Prodge

Shattiel · Sun Dec 02, 2018 8:40 pm

Carca Nero ofrhz should just lynch here imo
RC could get away for now since he claimed and maybe garmr

Shattiel · Sun Dec 02, 2018 8:45 pm

In post 632, Not Known 15 wrote:
Vote Count 1.5xx2008(0):

Performer(1):
Flavor Leaf
;

Carcalilly(2):AP;profii;

Maxous(1):DVa;

Garmr(0):

Saudade
Inferno390
(0):

Creature(0):

Sephiroth(0):

Nosferatu(1):FA_Q2;

FA_Q2(0):

AP(0):

Shattiel
DS
(4):Flubbernugget;Garmr;Completely Trustworthy;RCEnigma;

Completly Trustworthy(1):Nosferatu;

Flavor Leaf(0)
:

profii(0):

Flubbernugget(3):Saudade;ofrhz;Carcalilly;

DVa(0):

RCEnigma(0):

ofrhz(2):Maxous;Sephiroth;

NoLynch(0):

Not Voting(4):Creature;xx2008;Performer;Shattiel;

With 19 alive it is 10 to lynch.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2018-11-11 11:11:11) or when a lynch has been achieved.

Creature has been prodded

In post 1088, Not Known 15 wrote:
Vote Count 1.8xx2008(0):

Performer(0):

Carcalilly(0):

Maxous(0):Nosferatu;

Garmr(0):

Saudade
Inferno390
(0):

Creature(0):

Sephiroth(6):Creature;profii;Saudade;DVa;ofrhz;Performer;

Nosferatu(1):Gamma Emerald;

Gamma Emerald
FA_Q2
(0):

AP(1):Maxous;

Shattiel
DS
(3):Flubbernugget;Garmr;RCEnigma;

Completly Trustworthy(0):

Flavor Leaf(0)
:

profii(0):

Flubbernugget(2):Carcalilly;Completely Trustworthy;

DVa(1):xx2008;

RCEnigma(0):

ofrhz(1):Sephiroth;

NoLynch(1):Shattiel;

Not Voting(2):AP;
Flavor Leaf
;

With 19 alive it is 10 to lynch.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2018-11-11 11:11:11) or when a lynch has been achieved.

Creature and ofrhz have been prodded.

looking at the vc that sounds like good lynches

Shattiel · Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:46 pm

In post 2365, Flavor Leaf wrote:Man, is nobody else getting Shattiel scum vibes? Shattiel is super scummy to me.

idk man seems town

Shattiel · Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:48 pm

Could someone like compile all the actions and claims?
Free townpoints

Shattiel · Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:37 pm

Man those kills are gonna hurt town
Well a faster game is better i guess

Shattiel · Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:46 pm

In post 2374, RCEnigma wrote:Claims that are still alive:

Me - Town Joat
AP - Disloyal Roleblocker
Gamma - Ascetic bomb....thing? Babysitter right?

is you and ap like the only claims alive?

Shattiel · Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:39 pm

Well since FL is on my ass now I should just claim
I'm actually a Disloyal(like everyone else ofc) Locktown with a +90% chance of lynching scum with my locktown reads.

VOTE: ofrhz
Beep beep lettuce

Shattiel · Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:40 pm

If ofhrz flips town consider one of the claims being fake

Garmr/AP town imo
Thats L-1 btw

Shattiel · Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:42 pm

In post 2390, Saudade wrote:VOTE: ofhrz

also if you're town
Vote one of xx/Max tomorrow thats where scum is located according to my scum radar

Shattiel · Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:22 pm

Don't worry fam I'm planning to kill FL tonight since he's unto me now

Shattiel · Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:28 pm

xx got that newbie feels which makes me townread but I'm not really sure how well he could fake it.

Prob should just lynch in Max/Saudade next

Shattiel · Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:30 pm

Oh wait Max got targeted by RC so scratch that should keep him til RC flips at least

So Saudade it is

Shattiel · Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:34 pm

In post 2401, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 2396, xx2008 wrote:Three JOATS in one game?
Two had the exact same role. Evaluate a world where all claim roles are town:

AP
Myself
Gamma
Performer

Add flipped roles in:

CT
FL
Dva

We started with what 19 players?
7 prs 8 or 9 vts and 3 or 4 scum (I think 4 is more likely)

Which seems like a lot but they break down as:

FL - confirmed VT
Dva - chances of impeding a town Pr over a scum Pr are pretty high
CT/Performer/myself - high impact but very limited window of opportunity
Gamma - turned out to be high impact even with the claim
AP - can't really confirm his role works aside from preventing a nightkill which the chances get better the longer the game goes however starts night 1 with a 1 in 17 chances of choosing the correct target. Even now his odds are low.

We also don't know the abilities of the remaining scum.

Unfortunately one of my checks was modkilled but I'm willing to give up my life to keep a confirmed town alive and actually get some use out of my role.

So I'm willing to be today's Lynch, that will confirm Maxous as town and then scum have to choose between leaving Maxous or FL alive (they will leave FL alive for the saudade factor).

should confirm more people before talking about eating the kill

Shattiel · Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:00 am

I’m town

Shattiel · Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:01 am

@ofrhz lead a wagon

Shattiel · Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:16 pm

In post 2425, Almost50 wrote:
In post 2424, Flavor Leaf wrote:I don’t think Saudade is scum.
If he's not then he's going to cost us the game either sheeping you or after you eventually get NK'd.

And that isn't even the point. I gave you a big fat piece of meat to sink your teeth into and give me something useful to work with, and all you do is tell me you don't "think" Saudade is Scum? I specifically said I didn't want the guts/tone reads anymore. I want a mechanical solution to the game.

holy shit you're around who did you sub?

Shattiel · Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:26 pm

In post 2425, Almost50 wrote:
In post 2424, Flavor Leaf wrote:I don’t think Saudade is scum.
If he's not then he's going to cost us the game either sheeping you or after you eventually get NK'd.

And that isn't even the point. I gave you a big fat piece of meat to sink your teeth into and give me something useful to work with, and all you do is tell me you don't "think" Saudade is Scum? I specifically said I didn't want the guts/tone reads anymore. I want a mechanical solution to the game.

In post 2422, Flavor Leaf wrote:Xx - idk if Nero buses this hard, and I standby what I was saying with thinking Xx is town. I’m not entirely positive of this, but enough where I do not want to head there today.

Maxous - probably town based on RCE. Idk if that correlates to a SvS, plus there’s reasons he’s likely town based on play.

AP - hmm...probably town based on claim and general targets. Could be pulling the wool, but this is probably town.

FL - probably scum.

Saudade - this is dumb as scum, decent hiding spot, sure, but it’s pretty ride or die. He also gave paranoia on Sephiroth wagon, and then Seph targeted me with his shot confirming himself as town to me, so I’m town reading here.

RCE - I guess this could be scum fakeclaiming, but no point in dealing with that right now. If this is scum, Maxous is still likely town.

Jason - possible scum. Could just be lost town.

Garmr - possible scum, could just be projecting town, but gut says town.

Shatt - scum who’s been coasting.

We have like 2 or 3 scum left, probably 2, I’m leaning Shatt and one of my town reads probably

lol why does everyone get a "possible" tag when I just get a scum.

Shattiel · Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:30 pm

In post 2429, AP wrote: Are you following my logic yet? Do you get what I want to verify? Because if Scum have Strongman then neither Garmr nor RCE are "mechanically" cleared even, and that's regardless of my own "gut" read on either.

what would make them clear anyway without the strongman?

You meam the disloyal rb stuff? I think theres more than 1 scum left so it doesn't really matter anyway

Shattiel · Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:32 pm

VOTE: Saudade
Beep boop

I didn't know it was no maj = no lynch last day phase
Prob should talk FL out,of his ass and get saudade to vote himself

Shattiel · Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:52 am

In post 2442, Saudade wrote:You can see Shat is scum simply because in his vote and the post prior he doesnt specify why am I scum (because hes exploiting an opportunity here while under pressurr) but hes focused on defending himself.

W-Wait.. Y-YOU HAVE YOUR OWN OPINIONS!??

Shattiel · Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:54 am

In post 2441, ofrhz wrote:Still think Shattiel is town based on Flubber's push and tmi

Is AP still town

some thoughts on garmr as well I checked that he had some conversations with the flipped scums

Shattiel · Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:06 am

In post 2446, Saudade wrote:
In post 2444, Shattiel wrote:
In post 2442, Saudade wrote:You can see Shat is scum simply because in his vote and the post prior he doesnt specify why am I scum (because hes exploiting an opportunity here while under pressurr) but hes focused on defending himself.
W-Wait.. Y-YOU HAVE YOUR OWN OPINIONS!??

which you didnt reply to at all in this opportunity you just had, because you cant.

Yup. I didn't.

Shattiel · Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:07 am

Not like theres really anything in your iso you're just all sheep after all

Shattiel · Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:09 am

lol @Saudade cmon fite me the game is getting boring most of it is just looking through old stuffs.
1v1 me scrub

Shattiel · Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:16 am

Oh almost50 is ap right?

Shattiel · Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:25 am

Is AP/Garmr/Saudade a good poe?

Shattiel · Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:07 am

Pft I'm gonna take the cake if you don't 1v1 me

Shattiel · Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:21 am

In post 2458, AP wrote:
In post 2452, Shattiel wrote:Is AP/Garmr/Saudade a good poe?
Yes, it's PERFECT. Help me bus my p please. Thank you.

don't worry I got your back.. already in saudade.

JK
If you're actually scum your partner would either be garmr/ofhrz idk if theres necessarily 3 scum left
xx20 is a special case I'm confused where to put him but I'm fine leaving him town for now.

Shattiel · Thu Dec 13, 2018 5:28 pm

Have others actually done anything to prove they're town @garmr
Except FL ofc

Shattiel · Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:06 am

In post 2467, Garmr wrote:
In post 2465, Shattiel wrote:Have others actually done anything to prove they're town @garmr
Except FL ofc
My gut says sausade is town

my rolecard says shattiel is town

Shattiel · Fri Dec 14, 2018 9:06 am

In post 2470, Saudade wrote:Your role card says u fat liar

Oi you 1v1 me fite me now you scrub

Shattiel · Fri Dec 14, 2018 9:09 am

Ap say something that could stab the fk out of their guts that say saudade is town.

Shattiel · Fri Dec 14, 2018 9:31 am

Yep
pretty sure Ap/Saudade Ap/RC isn't w/w
Garmr/saudade/ofhrz <-- not sure about two scums but 90% sure theres 1 scum here

Shattiel · Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:44 am

In post 2539, Saudade wrote:
In post 2537, Flavor Leaf wrote:Oh shit. Successful AtE af.

VOTE: Unvote

AP’s town af. If he’s scum, aww man, that was dirty. I really feel it...haha
Put your vote baxk up loser

shit
@FL your tail is becoming self aware

Shattiel · Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:53 am

Oh we got less than a day before day ends

Shattiel · Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:55 am

Hell theres like a resistance to ap wagon
Only two people voted someone who's memey
And 1 is conf town(me ofc)

Shattiel · Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:55 am

In post 2542, Shattiel wrote:Hell theres like a resistance to ap wagon
Only two people voted someone who's memey
And 1 is conf town(me ofc)

i mean saudade wagon fk

Shattiel · Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:02 am

In post 2526, ofrhz wrote:The biggest thing was the wagon on xx that shortaru started near the end of day 1. It looked like shortaru was trying to derail the flubber wagon by questioning people who hopped on, and I think it’s unlikely he’d try to derail a wagon on one partner only to start another

good thought from ofrhz