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[Nero Cain]

I don't care.

[Nero Cain]

Like I said, town is so far ahead that we can just rando lynch

like, I felt like OFRH was scum b/c I didn't really feel like they've been scumhunting but now I am kinda buying into the 1 GS/1 SK and Ofhz hard defends otter b/c? LAMIST? We have enough room to lynch both of them and maybe I'm being a dick b/c I'm pushing where I want and who I think is scum instead of just being like "ok let's lynch her" But I get to be a dick and push where I want b/c I'm town and my readz haven't been THAT off. Like besides dummy Niko I've been correctly scum reading scum and town reading town.

[Nero Cain]

also, I'm Nero Cain

[Nero Cain]

kirari, why aren't you hunting groupscum?

[Nero Cain]

I'm sure if Montosh is town after his flip you'll accuse me of perspective slipping him town in not pushing him here.

Everything is all part of Kirari's master plan, fear not

:3 :3 :3

this sounds very sinister.

I mean, I've already called you scummy and sometimes it's hard for me to move on so yeah, I'd prob be pushing you regardless of Monts alignment.

but there are still 2 scum left in this game and you are clearly scum reading Nom and the other is?

[Nero Cain]

you should find a new second solve NC

help me, who is the second scum?

[Nero Cain]

Am I the only one who thinks there could be both an odd night vig and an even night vig?

No.

[Nero Cain]

the other is?

Otter is still toward the bottom of my PoE

isn't there a wagon there today? Why not join that instead of push Nom with 3 days left?

[Nero Cain]

backup vig
universal backup
even night vig
serial killer

all these could explain the extra kill but it doesn't seem like an important q to me b/c there's going to be atleast 1 more groupscum and thats what we should be looking for.

I clearly think its Montosh so eh...

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: nom

I'm voting here until he votes Montosh

[Nero Cain]

im lazy but there was

Yeah you've got it wrong.

I do legit scumread Creature.

To be fair, I always scumread Creature a bit.

Oh no I'm depressed

^
creatures first post + scumclaim

of course, Monts next post and built-in defense was

THAT WAS NOT SERIOUS

but its just WIFOM and I think it's a legit scumbuddy claim that he's trying to write off as jest.

Also, his overall play is bad. And at the very least, if this is town just lulz claiming scum maybe they'll stop playing like that if we lynch enough of them.

[Nero Cain]

there is but I've already put in alot of effort in this game. I legit don't understand your resistance here.

[Nero Cain]

anyways putting my money where my mouth is but prob gonna push Nom tomorrow (kinda listening to pops)

VOTE: montosh

[Nero Cain]

I'm mostly just annoyed that nom is stalling the glorious Montosh wagon.

[Nero Cain]

I think pops is just dumb. But he does watch anime so that explains it.

[Nero Cain]

you knew I was anti-anime. Y r u disappointed in me?

[Nero Cain]

I don't think my anti-anime stance is being mean 2 u

[Nero Cain]

I'm just ribbin ya bro. Honestly, it was no big deal and I'm sorry if I offended you.

[Nero Cain]

????

[Nero Cain]

hammer hammer hammer

[Nero Cain]

I'll join your anti-roster group

[Nero Cain]

Also, Kirari goes b4 lylo

[Nero Cain]

Nero are you in any pro-groups?

no, im like ant-eveything

[Nero Cain]

No now since you attacked animu I'm going to doc and govern Kirari the rest of the game

not if I use my strongman!

[Nero Cain]

So this is either 8-2, 7-2-1, or 8-1-1

Why would anyone think this game has more than 4 scum?

it's either 8-2 or 8-1-1.

[Nero Cain]

*shrugz*

I'm too lazy to go look at games with a similar player # but based on experience I think that 4 scum is about the max for a 18 player. And since we either had two v bad vigs or a vig/sk that points to 3-4 team scum and if thats an SK then it cn only be 3 scum.

but that's just me so w/e

[Nero Cain]

Niko

(10)Kirari Momobami,

Eyes without a face

,ofrhz,

Nero Cain

,Kublai Khan,Lil Uzi Vert,Jesus Louisus,

Montosh,Alchemist21,rosterfoster

,

Eyes without a face

(1)

Niko

,

rosterfoster

(1)

pisskop,

Creature(1)Vorkuta,

HeWhoSwims(1)LuckyOtter,

Jesus Louisus(1)

RedFlavor

,

Nero Cain

(1)HeWhoSwims,

RedFlavor

(1)

Creature

LuckyOtter(1)DeasVail,

RedFlavor

(8)LuckyOtter,Jesus Louisus,popsofctown,

rosterfoster

,nomnomnom,

Alchemist21

,Kublai Khan,

Nero Cain

,

Jesus Louisus(2)

RedFlavor

,ofrhz,

Not Voting(2)Vorkuta,

Montosh

,

Vorkuta(1)Kirari Momobami,

rosterfoster

(1)

Eyes without a face

,

popsofctown(1)DeasVail,

Montosh

(7)

rosterfoster

,popsofctown,

Alchemist21,Nero Cain

,ofrhz,Jesus Louisus,Kublai Khan

ofrhz(3)nomnomnom,

Montosh

,LuckyOtter,

nomnomnom(1)Kirari Momobami,

LuckyOtter(1)DeasVail,

DeasVail(1)Vorkuta,

0 flipped scum from either wagon. But d1 has Creature sitting on Red to distance. You guys think Red sits on Jesus in the first two eod vc's? Would also make sense as scum that's on every wagon.

I'll sit there for now.

VOTE: Jesus

[Nero Cain]

though TBF,

I think you are both town, now lets lynch a useless Creature slot.

VOTE: Creature

L-1

So are we lynching Creature or peepeekop now?

voting his buddy (i think it was a fake L-1 but legit vote) and then asking if we are still voting his buddy makes me less confident. I mean sure, he could still vote his buddy (Creature and get voted by his buddy (red) to throw us off. His voting history outside of that is mostly trash though. IDK, I'd like for some others to tell me who is scum any why.

[Nero Cain]

unless Kirari has crumbed it somewhere, not stating her n1 MD seems kinda like scum that knows they won't die.

[Nero Cain]

Why does KK ever vote Niko if he knew Niko was a vig?

kk claiming vig/sk makes the most sense though.

but if we believe that KK is just a second vig/knows there's a second vig kirari and nom make sense to me as the last team scum.

[Nero Cain]

Nero, why not Otter for scum?

b/c I'm bad?

idk. You guys could certainly be right and I could be wrong. I was also nodding along with ofhrz case for why Otter is town. At the same time, I guess you could argue that he just kept pushing Red b/c he knew Red was scum.

And then there's also like, KK, kirari and Nom who I think are scummy. KK's "informed" could just be an SK and if he was informed then I'm not at all sure why he was voting Niko.

the SK talk/Hunting from Nom and Kirari seem really scummy to me. Like if you are group scum you hunt the SK b/c you can't hunt yourself.

[Nero Cain]

sorry you feel that way

[Nero Cain]

so KK, why did you vote Niko if you knew he was a vig?

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: otter

[Nero Cain]

now you are l-1 and can claim.

[Nero Cain]

Can we lynch between nero and pops?

Do you actually have a reason for scum reading me or is it just the delayed OMGUS I think it is?

[Nero Cain]

Well the hope is that on an otter redflip the game ends

this is why I have a very hard time thinking you are town.

You think this was a 15/3? I mean eh.....

Like idk, maybe I'm just a hard-headed dinosaur but 18 player game still makes me think 4 scum. Does 2 potential vigs justify taking away a scum and giving an extra townie? I mean ok yeah, 2 killing roles would be swingy b/c they could just shoot a bunch of town or a bunch of scum. I mean obv giving scum commuters was an attempt to bring down the swing and it was theoretically possible for the two vigs to have shot at scum nights 1-4 and not have hit any scum, So (assuming the worst 8 dead town) then we are in d5 with 2 killing roles, 3 scum, and 5 town.

I mean, idk, I voted Otter b/c he was staunchly refusing to claim unless he was @ l1 and I guess that's p scummy.

[Nero Cain]

Day 3 will end in 2 days, 22 hours, 30 minutes

So like, this morning when he refused to claim he was being kinda stally and unhelpful.

[Nero Cain]

I am hardcore skimming. Apparently I missed your Nom is a traitor thing.

[Nero Cain]

Montosh was scummy as fuck and was doing shit all.

[Nero Cain]

I want her slot lynched at LYLO-1

Why do you want to wait?

[Nero Cain]

nom isn't a she though.

[Nero Cain]

or what if you 2 are just both scum and this is scum theatre?

[Nero Cain]

y do u think u r not good @ this game?

[Nero Cain]

TBF, he hasn't been on yet. In the mean time you can explain why you are scumreading me?

[Nero Cain]

[Nero Cain]

yes b/c its not been clear at all who I think is scum just read my posts

[Nero Cain]

I'm sad that I only got a short little sentence. I want a full article about y I'm town.

[Nero Cain]

remind me why in the world you think there is a traitor to begin with?

[Nero Cain]

Because KK probably is not lying about there being an SK and not a vig,

typo? He's claiming 2 vigs not a vig and SK.

[Nero Cain]

but if there

IS

an SK then I think that it makes a traitor almost nonexistent.

Why shouldn't KK full claim?

[Nero Cain]

Is it wrong that I play all my scum games by picking a team deepwolf that busses everyone else and try to get that player to endgame, eschewing all sweeps

I'm going to lynch you in any game if you ever lynch scum.

[Nero Cain]

I mean, the logic that the mafia cop points to there being a 3rd party/traitor is just kinda eh....like maybe it does but then I'm like "well it could just be standard boilerplate" and not mod spoiling.

[Nero Cain]

oh, that's right!

VOTE: pops

[Nero Cain]

oh, that's right!

VOTE: pops

I had this thought too, but I don’t see how he can be scum here.

tell me more!

[Nero Cain]

Deas is really starting to look like fence-sitting scum

[Nero Cain]

"I had the same thought as you Nero, but I doubt pops is scum"

"there are some things about your case on nom to consider but I'm not convinced"

[Nero Cain]

lets lynch pop.

THEY

are prob scum.

[Nero Cain]

I mean, Kirari could just be scum here.

[Nero Cain]

Kirari is not in the lynchpool today cause if she's town she's probably some kind of PR

what makes you think this?

but ok, she can be a pr and we'll lynch her b4 lylo if she's not dead

[Nero Cain]

I'm being mostly tongue in cheek. I'm not super SOLD Pops is scum but the "I bus as scum" did ping me a little. I don't think its totally impossible that pops see red as scum that's going to go down eventually and decides to point out the "slip" for town cred b4 anyone else. Also, its not like he was a full cop and they lost one shot and its v possible that red may used it on n1 to find the traitor/SK (if one exists)

Kiari would make some sense to target n1 and Pops calling Kirari and pr for ??? reason. So now my tinfoil is kinda Pops is the last team scum and Kiari is the traitor/sk.

[Nero Cain]

I mean, Kirari could just be scum here.

What's interesting here is earlier this dayphase you were arguing nom was likely scum. What happened to that read?

that doesn't preclude you as scum.

[Nero Cain]

I do not believe in the existence of a Vorkuta.

[Nero Cain]

although Nero really pulling for the Montosh lynch and then falling in line on my wagon fairly quietly is pretty concerning.

*shrugz*

I'm being lazy and indecisive. Like, I felt like the whole "but I'm not @ l-1 yet" was kinda scummy so I voted there so you'd claim. You could interpret you being the sole wagon today as scum being comfortable with the gamestate and maybe? But then I guess you could also look at it like well "otter is caught scum and his buddy/traitor doesn't want to or isn't influential enough try and save you."

I mean, ok, I don't really go "otter is so fucking scummy" but I'm kind of like "so many people scum read him that he's an ok lynch." and you

WERE

on all the ML wagons so I guess its a decent info flip.

And its like a day till deadline so like...I don't think we would be able to get a lynch anywhere else. So, I'm really sorry if you are just town that's just kinda being railroaded.

I think FYPOV, its somewhat understandable that you'd see my vote as this kinda go with the flow type vote.

VOTE: unvote if you aren't hammered yet.

[Nero Cain]

oh, remind me who you think is scum?

[Nero Cain]

b/c you and pops and maybe KK are my top 3 scum reads and none of you are getting lynched. Pops is either a town invest or your scumbuddy and KK not explaining why he voted Niko despite knowing Niko was a vig seems ??? to me so I don't really have anything to argue about right now also im lazy in general.

[Nero Cain]

I change my reads like all the time. I wasn't all that convinced the pops was scum but I'm kinda tinfoiling that you two could possibly be scum together.

[Nero Cain]

yes, that's a totally reasonable thought process.

VOTE: Kirari Momobami but will move back to Otter to avoid a nl.

[Nero Cain]

I think he's just town b/c you know there are only two scum left and I think it's not nom.

[Nero Cain]

Kirari is not in the lynchpool today cause if she's town she's probably some kind of PR

I thought this was odd. So FMPOV he's a town PR that knows you are a PR or he's a scumbuddy that's light defending you. I don't think this logic was that hard to understand.

[Nero Cain]

2500

b/c 2500 is a joke post lightly ribbing him for not wanting to be called they hence why they is bolded. Why are things so hard for you to understand?

[Nero Cain]

Do I really come off as a "LOL FAKECLAIMZ!!1!" player that much?

You literally pulled an entire pt out of your ass in your last scum game so.. yes, yes you do

What are the similarities between this game and her scum game?

[Nero Cain]

claim nom

[Nero Cain]

^
scum

[Nero Cain]

I kinda think fake Jesus is town. Like maybe my reasoning isn't strong so maybe I could be wrong but eh.....someone has to be town other than me in this setup.

[Nero Cain]

?????

[Nero Cain]

hey otter, I know you are around. What did you think of my response to you earlier?

[Nero Cain]

I dunno, I voted him earlier b/c I thought "well maybe he's the scum buddy that red was sitting on" but then I also kinda felt like...his scum list is like anyone that votes him and that just seemed like so...silly.

[Nero Cain]

I mean, if he flips town then great I was right but if he flips scum then I'm closer to my wincon. win-win 4 me!