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Sorry im a little sick. Did gamr claim?

Also two town fruit vendors is possible but idk.

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No. I was thinking the tracker would get a 'went no where'

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Since technically the target went no where. As they were roleblocked

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sad that my scumread got confirmed town. what roles can actually do that in a normal? publishing cop?

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sad that my scumread got confirmed town. what roles can actually do that in a normal? publishing cop?

And that's a sad thing why? Because you're scum and can't push that mislynch anymore?

Scum pool right now (in the event Cliff flips town) is {Eevee, Kop, Titus, tex, Hopkirk, Hectic}

Mostly slots with low content who've been sitting back watching town destroy itself.

In the event Cliff flips scum, Dalton could be a partner. Not too sure who else atm.

Cause it means titus is probably town too. And that leaves all my scumreads gone

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Is aaron one of the clears?

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Idt im lynching atm. If this is hammer i shall hammer in exactly 24 hours unless something happens in short. Intent to hammer :3

nope nvm once again fuck the VC but this time because I do not trust ELA enough to be okay with that statement this early in the day
UNVOTE:

The problem is he still died without me

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No fruit ever sadly. But fruit vendor is in my list of favourite roles

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Cliff Booth also never relynched anyone yesterday. Unlynch for towncred maybe?

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Scrap that second page of iso is badly

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Ig billy is the last person

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sad that my scumread got confirmed town. what roles can actually do that in a normal? publishing cop?

Why's that sad? Is it because you're looking for a scumread? It moved us closer to solve and excluded someone from the lynch pool. It's only sad if you're not worried about solving.

But he was the first to mention this too ugg.

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Is hectic confirmed too?

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Okay. So that leaves. Titus(town cause dave is town)
Aaron(who is being helpful)
And kop(who im still convinced isnt a real person)

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So tomorrow, assuming the kill doesn't get blocked we'd be at 13 people. What's a standard amount of scum for a game this big? I'm pretty confident that we're not in multi ball, and theres probably not a vig. I think the odds on exactly one of them getting blocked each night is just a bit weird.

more than likely 6. though since a traitor flipped it could have been 7.

so rn we are probably at 6 or 5.

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making tomorrow plylo

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https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... %27s_Razor

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Hectic, under your formula 3(5)+1=16. 6 would fit better 3(6)+1=19.

I'm curious because I'm wondering if we can give Cliff another night to confirm another VT. But if theres 6 scum, then tomorrow is LYLO and Cliff cant make LYLO.

There's 21 players this game.
So 5 scum and 16 town fit the formula is what I mean.
But davesaz is right, traitor means it's probably 6 scum, so 5 alive right now.

i like how i said the same thing with the same reasoning, was called incorrect. dave says it and is correct. explain

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im willing to claim when asked, though i understand if u wanna wait for texcat. since my claim could effect his if he was scum, though note i did soft my claim a long time ago. it wasnt that good of a soft. but it exists

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ye could be

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So....are we massclaiming or not? Someone wanted tex to and i volunteered for after if necessary

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If we have a vig im suspecting its one shot. Or has a condition for it

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Yeah it has slowed down some. Ending day might not be the worse option

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But texcats claim would be useful

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But texcats claim would be useful

Why? What use would it be?

Im just curious. And someone other than me asked.

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I assume it would be the role not alignment

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Idk about modifiers however.

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Oh didnt even notice pagetop

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Claimed because

exactly

and because I want to get Eevee/Titus claims.

Mason-jar

That reminds me, have I ever told you how much my grandfather

hated

the masons? He used to go on long angry rants.

I was waiting for texcat but w/e im a vt :3 i psuedo-softed between my comments of being useless and mentioning simple

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Wow no one cared about my claim :<

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i mean we dont have to but still :[

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90% sure Eevee posted several times and avoided claiming VT when we thought there could be that VT cop when Eevee seemed to.think it was reasonable to claim. Need to check if I'm remembering right.

Though i didnt directly avoid claiming i just didnt probably because of below.

Someone else claimed vt at the time. And having 2 claims would have complicated that night. If the vanilla cop was true. Hed have his target. But now we know it wasnt sure so it didnt really matter.

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Also i dont really like being confirmed town cause i lose 50/50s too often

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That almost looks like tfptslbooia

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really why would it be like motion detector?

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that doesnt really make sense tbh, considering if he hasnt done anything himself to waver your read?

also yes i claimed yesterday. i even triple mentioned it trying to make sure everyone active saw it.

we are getting dangerously close to plylo. especially if theres 5 scum left.

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lets see... texcat has done nothing. should we policy them? jk lol

i'll be more active today. not a fan of a PL push right after a ML then a nk'd mason.

I tracked this slot n1. They didnt do anything.

I can confirm that I did not do anything on N1.

I forgot when Texcat subbed in. So this could mean 2 things. But the more likely scenario is he has a limited or no activated ability.

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VOTE: Garmr

It feels like Carca caught him in a lie, and now he's backtracking as fast as he can. I didn't understand why he claimed in the first place, and I really don't understand why he claimed and lied about his result. It feels a lot more like scum fake claiming when they thought they had a good shot.

I kinda like how he has never wavered in his belief garmr was lying.

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Though the Fact neither has flipped yet worries me

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Spoiler: Aaron does not like anything I do

I'm going to vote for Cliff whenever we're ready. No one ever knows the vote count. Worst case is that we get a conf town out of the deal. In the meantime,

VOTE: Garmr

tex could be Cliff's partner is he flips scum. Don't like this bizarre attempt to distract from the Cliff/JJD situation.

Why the vote on Garmr?

I feel like scum is fine with Cliff being the lynch. I thi k that's either because he was determined to be able to be sacrificed, which is consistent with what happened yesterday, or it's because he is going to flip town. If he flips scum, then texcat is probably leading scum candidate tomorrow for trying to redirect the lynch. If he flips town I dont know where that leads us. I'd like a a swer from hopkirk on his progression vis-a-vis me and I think we're still waiting on answers from Rick and Lilly about fruit.

Huh? I did park my vote on Garmr while waiting to vote for Cliff until everyone had a chance to post. I would hardly characterize that as redirecting the lynch.

VOTE: Cliff L-2 I think

Cliff

, if you are town, can you confirm that you sent fruit to Kop on N1? He said he did not receive any fruit.

Don't like this vote either.

Worst case scenario if we lynch Cliff today is that we end up in LyLo tomorrow but that's only if there's 6 scum remaining. 7 total scum in a 21 player game seems like too much, even with a traitor.

I don't like how eager tex is to end this day when we have plenty of time left. I get not wanting to waste time but I would hardly say the day is stalling right now.

First he doesn't like my vote on Garmr because he thinks I'm redirecting the lynch(!). Then he doesn't like my vote on Cliff. Now he's characterizing me as being overly eager to lynch Cliff. Something stinks. It might be some weird confirmation bias, but I don't like it.

Aaron, I don't think I am over-eager, but I am ready for day to end. I don't see what more we can hope to accomplish today and I think that things will be clearer when we've resolved Cliff.

I will continue to argue that we should lynch Cliff and I don't like that Billy seems to be arguing against lynching him. And I don't like that Billy says that Profii and Dave agree with him.

This might suggest aaron garmr? Ugg none of this has flipped yet. So i cant even speculate atm

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I still think Eevee is scum btw.

Mfw. Found random. Dont know context
Conversation starter. Answer

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If I was scum would of stayed or at least tried to last. But this games to big to many personalities I don't mesh with and I don't have that obligation to put up with that fucking shit as town.

Add Garmr to that list too.

I'm going to vote for Cliff whenever we're ready. No one ever knows the vote count. Worst case is that we get a conf town out of the deal. In the meantime,

VOTE: Garmr

tex could be Cliff's partner is he flips scum. Don't like this bizarre attempt to distract from the Cliff/JJD situation.

Why the vote on Garmr?

cliff flipping scum pretty much clears me as town.

What? Since when? Am I missing something here?

I think Hopkirk and Hectic are likely scum together. Hop's been very inconsistent with his read on Hectic, from assuring us he's town to now being worried about him out of nowhere.

Remaining scum most likely lies in {tex, Garmr, Titus, Eevee}.

I agree with Garmr and Rick claiming their results today.

We mass claiming today?

Okay so first makes g a scumread.
Second questions a lynch on it.
Third back to suspicious(afaik isnt on at that time)


Fourth. I forgot have you claimed ? Also. If aaron flips scum. Its heavily possible garmr does too.

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Garmr i can find literally no mention of aaron in your iso outside of quotes/lynches. What are your thoughts there.

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And I swear, as soon as I turn in this forsaken paper tomorrow so I don't loose my diploma, I'll be a useful conf town.

Yes please come back to us.

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Hiya all.
This is one of my first forum games so I'm quite excited!
So I thought I better prepare myself because I've heard all the stories of wolfgods (that's what we call in them in the inner circles) of the likes of Sharan Tate and Skellen solving games by page 5. Insanity?!
So I've been up all night reading through the mafiascum wiki and I am now a walking encyclopedia of knowledge.
I'm serious, if you want to know about ANYTHING, whether it be about what an abbreviation means, or some obscure study or guide into how often people who mention self-meta are scum: just ask me, I've got you covered.

So while reading through the wiki, I discovered that it's site meta to claim the Miller role right from the get go, so without further ado:

I am the

Miller Survivor

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I know you may have reservations given the Survivor part of my claim. But I give you my honest law-abiding word that I will strive to and will always work with the town's best interests from here on out.

In fact, here's a pledge:

I, Hectic, will self-hammer myself in any situation where the number of mafia are equal to the number of town.

That pledge up there stops me from siding with scum and winning the game with them in a LyLo situation. With this fallback, you guys can just use this failsafe to spite me out of a win. Therefore, I will never betray you.

I look forward to finding scum with you all.

You still claiming surv?

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Eevee's a void in my wiki.

His entire iso feels either surv based or just general funness. Idk what to make of it.

Also. Im not that big of a void. And i just got back into the cs making mood. Earlier today i made what i feel is gonna be one of my better ones.

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VOTE: Aaronfrost



Okay done with my little parade. Continue

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good than i dont have to strike you down today to negate a possible instaloss

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Hopkirk + Titus + Kop are my top scumreads for now. The only non-confirmed person that I'm not scumleaning/reading is Aaron and Garmr, though Aaron's claim of a Hectic-Hopkirk scumpair is slightly dodgy.

I bought Hopkirk's townread on me because apparently I have a "towntell" and he's had similar strong townreads on me in the past that have been accurate while he was town. I was aware it could just be him buddying me, but I was leaning towards him being town since the rest of his play seemed helpful/genuine. This sudden flip on me is really unnatural though, and I don't buy the reasons for it. Kop didn't mention most players in the game. I did mention Titus enough.

Also there's the factor that his scumread on me relies on all of his scumreads being correct, so it's a fairly weak link.

I'm townreading Garmr based on his frustration recently, though perhaps I'm too easily swayed. Could someone remind me of what Garmr lied about earlier in the game which Lilly caught him out for?

Garmr claimed that he voyeured Lilly n1 and that he saw that only the doctor targeted Lilly. That was the point where Lilly was trying to make sure that was a real result than before Garmr confirmed it, she outed that she was ascetic so Garmr's claimed result had to be a lie. Now here's where I'm confused, and I wanted Garmr to eat rope earlier over it. What the fuck is the motivation in lying there. I cant remember if Rick has claimed at that point yet or not, but hes pretty much drawing the doctor claim out at that point which helps scum more than town. I get why he may have lied about that result (to not out Lilly's modifer), but why wouldnt he had just lied and said no one visited.

its a bit wifomy. since technically if someone else DID target lilly, they would claim and out garmr there too. idk why hed lie as either alignment in that position tbh

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its why i kinda want to get aaron first. to get a flip from that interaction triangle

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What do you think of aaron hop?

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Hectic did claim surv. And his iso kinda matches it.

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could be red herring. though its weird that a whole 3 town is immune to doctor.

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cant two vt claims that claimed fruit be mafia goon ?

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im not saying they are, just asking if theres a possibility

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oh right loyal. and that makes 5/6 vt claims.

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How many vt claims do we have now? 4?

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Arent kop and pine the same person

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oh okay that makes 3 of the vt claims in the your scumpool than

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aaron tex garmr titus then probably a vt/unclaimed.

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though there could be a scum between you and hectic im uncertain which and would rather not select from there. im lynching in the above order

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Pine is dead

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But for some reason i suspect hes town. Idk why

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as long as the twilight series

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The wiki gods just spoke to me.
Hopkirk is scum pushing a final mislynch for the win.
Aaron is scum for his forced HecticVHopkirk SvS theories.
Eevee is scum because all the conftown seem to think so.
Texcat is scum. Hop townreads her and not enough people have attacked her from this group.
Garmr is scum by PoE.

isnt this by strongest to weakest reasoning, tex, aaron, hopkirk, eevee, garmr?

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Hell 2 scum can rarely get a quickhammer

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Dang the first post isnt updated yet lol

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Im willing for a texcat/aaron lynch

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Can we like mislynch me now.

VOTE: Garmr

Like if you think I'm scum pretend this is a scum claim if your scum jump on this. I really just wanna get lynched.

Times like this makes me glad you cant selflynch on my main site.(outside specific themes)

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is that hammer or L-1?

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Well since im dead lemme throw out an impossible but hilarious if true scenario. Carcalilly is only scum left and the whole mason is a ruse.

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does the answer to that question change anything about the gamestate at all?