Large Normal 228: Bananas - Game Over

[NorwegianboyEE]

Saudade, "the brilliant player" tragically struck ill after drinking a poisoned chalice of grape juice i specially prepared for him.
Long live the new king.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I've basically skimmed most of the game and it was hard for me to pick up anything. Guess it's all the new dudes i haven't played with, a lot of their words just sound like noise.

I noticed some people scumreading Black Ranger, why?
As for wagon on Fenraiser. Most questionable thing i can find is his post 98. What do you mean? Who is the scum doing a "theater"?

[NorwegianboyEE]

1. Your story gives scum a means of coasting through the game all under the guise of "it's all in good fun"!

2. Calling it out prematurely denies information.

3. Calling ME out on not continuing the story means you surely don't care about using this story as a means of finding coasting scum.

This is the kind of post that is usually made by asshole town, i mean sure. The attitude is kind of douchey, but probably town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: SirCakez Dislike some of your posts.
Post 65, it's apparently a "scummy reaction" from BR to shit on a guy making story time in the Mafia thread? Why would that be indicative of scumminess? The story thing had nothing to do with the game, so any emotional outburst from it you can apparently deduce as scum/town?
Post 137, Nahdia asked why you scumread BR and you give some half-assed explanation about scum trying to get in "content". I do not see what you mean? Post 141 elaborates, but why would a single RVS vote give off such an strong reaction from you?

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Nor
You switched me and Fwog btw in Post 222.

?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I've basically skimmed most of the game and it was hard for me to pick up anything. Guess it's all the new dudes i haven't played with, a lot of their words just sound like noise.

I noticed some people scumreading Black Ranger, why?
As for wagon on Fenraiser. Most questionable thing i can find is his post 98. What do you mean? Who is the scum doing a "theater"?

Scum theater is when at least two people from the scumteam have an argument that spans out for a ridiculous amount of time to gain the sense that one of them can't be scum because of their fierce interaction

Yes, but who did you think was doing theater?

[NorwegianboyEE]

That all being said, though, I probably am better than many and you should agree with me.

I’d like to see you 360 noscope some scum this game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Because it's a huge overreaction.

Precisely what i thought about your vote.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Did anyone else polish their banana today?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Come hither child. Let us wagon for the sake of justice.

[NorwegianboyEE]

2. It's not really a strong read? It was five pages into the game. Why assume it was?

It is also to be mentioned that Cakez is trying to say he wasn’t being serious about his read on BR. But a simple look into his previous posts will prove that to be blatantly false.

[NorwegianboyEE]

A weak read is something you’d pounce at with the strenght of an trained attack dog? A weak read is something you’d use such language as: "scummy ass reaction" from BR to justify?
How does that fit into your explanation for your behaviour?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why are you so desperate to defend BR, hmm?

This kinda triggers me, NGL. I’m making points about your behaviour towards this person. Why should it matter who he is? I’d tell you your push was weird if you had made the same points against Santa Claus. It’s scummy from you how your instant reaction to my criticism is claiming i am "desperately" defending BR by questioning you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What are you trying to get at here? I can call stuff out and not feel super confident about it. It's ridiculous that you're trying to paint me as scummy for not having a 100% SUPER LOCK SURE SCUMREAD on someone this early in the game.

The proposal that your read wasn’t actually that strong is something you slapped on later as an explanation. It was not clear at all from your initial posts, which makes me wonder if you felt the need to explicitly state that your read was never serious when your vote on the wagon was put under scrutiny.
The strength of your read alone was not the issue i was getting at here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And it’s also a bit of an dissonance to talk about how you don’t really scumread BR that strongly, yet instantly shade me as if i’m desperately defending a scum partner from your attacks when in reality my points have little to do with that slot and more about your interaction with the slot.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This is a huge reach.

Why is it so?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't think a Nahdia wagon would be bad, but i'd like to settle some scores first.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't think a Nahdia wagon would be bad, but i'd like to settle some scores first.

What scores? Why does this prevent you from voting Nahdia?

It's just a cool way of saying that i would currently like to keep my vote on Cakez but i wouldn't disagree with a Nahdia wagon.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Who wants to lynch some cute innocent puppies!!?

[NorwegianboyEE]

But you can use the flamethrower.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m not really seeing that many convincing arguments yet and that’s probably why i can’t pay much attention to all that’s going on. I’m keeping my vote on Cakez and suggest we lynch there. But all in all i’d jusy like to end day 1 so discussion maybe will have more meaning to me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

[NorwegianboyEE]

That doesn't make sense. Are you just making out the ever present "town mindset" to be whatever you want it to be?

[NorwegianboyEE]

"I want to lynch cakez" + "I want to end the day"

No, you're just misrepping what i said.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This might be the most hardcore lurking I’ve ever seen

That's a sign scum don't care. That's why I put three wagon choices up. I was planning to sit back but had to decide against it.

What do you mean?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Lol it is kind of funny how he used the same term.

Who copied what from you exactly?

[NorwegianboyEE]

What a dumb reason to vote someone.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Good lad.

[NorwegianboyEE]

When we reach day 2 we will have flips. Flips are used to improve or build reads from. Flips give us wagon analysis. Do i need to expand further?

[NorwegianboyEE]

It’s hard for me to grasp people’s alignments based on just the posts i’ve seen so far. And that’s why i held this stance at that point in time.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Take a look at votes on me tbh. Really weak reasons to vote me there.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Nyehehe *twirls moustache*
Oh you simple-minded fools would never fathom what lies behind that cute puppy picture. For he is the master of deception.
Nolynchpupper's clever machinations have laid undetected for centuries. And some Optimus Prime wannabe will not compromise that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What is this discrediting? Why are the votes on you weak?

Both Drew and Umlaut are both voting based on me stating i'd like to vote a scumread and end the day. I myself would never vote someone for that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't have to explain my Norwegian townread because now I need to reread them after that response they gave.

Which response are you talking about?

[NorwegianboyEE]

the beginning of this page has extreme cringe levels

Yeah, that vote count is super cringe.

[NorwegianboyEE]

More votes on Sircakez please.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Early Norwegian votes for Cakez based on his play. Now Norweigan votes for Cakez to try and end day.

Lol, i've stated my read already so why should i reiterate it? My earlier reasoning doesn't vanish just because i don't quote my original post casing him every 5 minutes.

[NorwegianboyEE]

the beginning of this page has extreme cringe levels

Yeah, that vote count is super cringe.

Nah not that part

Yeah i agree, the beginning of "the page", a novella i wrote back in middle school was kinda cringy. Not gonna lie.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Early Norwegian votes for Cakez based on his play. Now Norweigan votes for Cakez to try and end day.

Lol, i've stated my read already so why should i reiterate it? My earlier reasoning doesn't vanish just because i don't quote my original post casing him every 5 minutes.

are you voting him for reads or are you voting him to try and end day?

Pick one

I'm voting due to both of these reasons because, A: i scumread him, B: i want to end the day in a lynch so i can get better reads.
Both of these thoughts can co-exist.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Norwegian

Thoughts on Drew in general, not just regarding his vote on you?

Idk, didn't read most of his posts cus they are so long. I just think his vote on me is bad and seemed to have only like 1 paragraph of relevant justification.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why would you be fine with a Nahdia wagon btw?

Because i don't TR them and thought it would be good info. But now i think other slots are much more scummy so i don't worry too much about Nahdia anymore.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I can compromise for the sake of a lynch, but what is the main argument for lynching Bob?

[NorwegianboyEE]

So you are saying you think BR noticed your crumb but voted you anyway? And you read that as scummy?

[NorwegianboyEE]

like chilean miners osmethin something.

Why are you so absurd?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't really see why Manatee is a good wagon.
He voted Cakez with me and it didn't seem like a wagon scum would join no matter if Cakes is scum or town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

??? what why

The wagon never gained a lot of traction compared to other people like Bob. If he was scum he'd probably go there. (Assuming Bob is town due to doctor claim.)

[NorwegianboyEE]

How am i your primary read? Did you even explain why i’m your vote?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Manatee, you owe me a beer for saving your arse.

I’m not seeing why you’d even consider consolidating on a wagon you clearly disagree with. Especially considering you seem to be townreading them based on what you’ve said.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yet you were blaming others for it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

We need four votes in a few hours. This is not looking good. I have faith though.

Oh, you’re right.
VOTE: Drew-sta
This has the most votes right?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also i will in detail explain the very simpel crumbs day 2. Any one who hasnt spotted every single one in posts highlighted will be embarrassed by just how simple it was

A bit later means 3 minutes? You might as well just have voted immediately.

[NorwegianboyEE]

That picture By the OP reminds me of soneone in this playerlist.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Probably not mafia+vig based on that shot.
Mafia+SK i think.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm on Black Ranger's side. Agree with pretty much all of post 862.
VOTE: Umlaut

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well, at least I don't have to be paranoid about Bob's claim now.

Sir this is a bad post

Very LAMIST. It pinged me too.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Really not a big fan of the Manatee wagon yesterday.

Spoiler:

ManateeDude (6) -

bob3141

, Umlaut,

Titus

, Nahdia, SirCakez, osuka [L-2]

Drew-Sta (8) - osuka, ManateeDude, Umlaut,

Titus

, NorwegianboyEE, Fenraiser,

bob3141

, Nahdia [L-0]

For reference.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Wagon on me was scum attempting to push an wagon for a shit reason.
Drew and Umlaut both voted me.
Still suspect Cakez based on this.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If Umlaut is a serial killer, make him scum's problem by obvtowning him.

What? In my experience serial killers are usually bulletproof. Why should we not try to lynch him? SK is just as likely to kill a bunch of townies as opposed to making a mafia shot. And if you notice we lost 2 PR's yesterday. Why on earth would we willingly try to obvtown a serial killer?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Especially consider if we have a SK they are obviously targeting those so called obvtown players.

[NorwegianboyEE]

so do you think umlaut is the serial killer then? or are u just arguing theory?

I was arguing theory.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm on Black Ranger's side. Agree with pretty much all of post 862.
VOTE: Umlaut

Could you itemize this "pretty much all" for me? I think the points vary pretty dramatically in quality and I'd like to know which ones you agree with.

4, 1-2, 5, 3, 6

[NorwegianboyEE]

That is the pool I want to kill today.

Do you have a particular preference for who to lynch out of them?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think Wake is a really good SK suspect

I could believe Wake SK, but what makes him a

really good

suspect beyond the ultra-lurking?

He has no associatives with anyone and

osuka seems like a kill someone not really paying attention would make

Can you elaborate on this bolded part?

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Cakez

[NorwegianboyEE]

I like Cakez progression here.

He's just spouting garbage lmao. "Norwegian looks to be in a decent spot to buss here", there's no reasoning behind his statements. Just making up whatever truth he finds convenient to push me again. How can you like that progression? Just because it is there?

[NorwegianboyEE]

"This could be bussing, maybe." "It's bad because i think it is."
Pretty much shading 101 post 956.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Really, Norwegian just wants to discredit me now rather than actually scumhunt
As easily viewable in his ISO

I already explained why i don’t like your slot since day 1. You changing your read on BR doesn’t make me budge in that regard.

[NorwegianboyEE]

on review cakez actually does raise an interesting point about norway not making many novel observations today.

Yeah, you think the guy you are voting and scumreading makes novel observations.

[NorwegianboyEE]

On second thought, i'd like a wagon on Cakez a lot more considering Umlaut did vote Drew early, and basic logic suggests there isn't much reason for Drew's scum buddy to put the spotlight on him early when Manatee still seemed like a viable wagon close to deadline.
Black Ranger. You should change vote to Cakez too.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't see why that should matter. I didn't pay too much attention at the time at which wagon was leading between Manatee and Drew.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Main point was getting a lynch as having one is better than nothing.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't see why that should matter. I didn't pay too much attention at the time at which wagon was leading between Manatee and Drew.

What do you mean you didn't pay too much attention who was leading? Why not?

Because i was still voting Cakes and then the deadline came up without me realizing it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

- Unofficial votecount -

SirCakez (3): Nahdia, Norwee, Umlaut
Black Ranger (1): Titus
Umlaut (1): Black Ranger
Norwee (1): SirCakez

Not voting (5): Fenraiser, Manateedude, Wake88, fwogcarf, CantLynchAPuppy

[NorwegianboyEE]

Takes 6 to lynch.

@Manatee
Any reason you're not voting your scumread?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Takes 6 to lynch.

@Manatee
Any reason you're not voting your scumread?

I was also wondering this btw seems kind of weird since I've been his top scumread all game iirc

My first concern was he was bussing. But the fact that you're pointing it out as weird makes that possibility seem less likely.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Cakez wagon looks spicy but not spicy enough

What is this supposed to mean?

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Norwee

Could you explain your Cakez reads progression? Walk me through again because I'm mostly seeing your early posts on Cakez and my impression is that you didn't like Cakez posts more than you thought Cakez's posts came from scum.

Progression is that i thought Cakez initial push on BR was scummy, and then their reaction to my push and subsequent wagon interactions in regards to Drew are also scummy. I don't understand your second part. Can you explain it in more detail?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why would I vote Cakez over these slots?

Because Cakez is more likely to be mafia than aforementioned slots. Manatee i don't want to consider today, don't see why his actions would be particularly scum indicative. In regards to the puppy, we can most likely lynch him unlike what his name would suggest. But i feel less confident there than Cakez.

I'm more interested in slots like Puppy, who has terrible consistency on Cakez' slot, wants to sort him but when prompted with how he will do that, says that he will think really hard about it. I was hoping he'd pick a fight with Cakez, but he didn't, and will never get towncred for doing it now, but I guess he could redeem himself if he somehow helped lynched scum, maybe.

You also make it appear as if Cakez flip would make Puppy's alignment more clear to you. Assuming i am understanding you correctly, may you expand on this?

[NorwegianboyEE]

To explain my read on Manatee more. I feel like scum!him would have more of an agenda behind his posting, but his tone seems genuine to me. I also successfully townread him in another large earlier where vig shot him N1 and he flipped town. (Large 227 for reference.)

[NorwegianboyEE]

All town? 8 people? Yeah, no.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Off-wagon were Black Ranger, SirCakes and CantLynchAPuppy for reference.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Aside: I'm going to consider a "lynch all uwuers" policy for my next game

UwU

[NorwegianboyEE]

Sircakez has a birthday cake. Cute.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Wake, all you do is talk about how you are observing. But i’m not seeing you actually do anything at all.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If this is 3:1:10 getting rid of the SK has high utility for us because it increases the chances that Titus goes to late game.

I guess that's a good point.
Is Wake your only SK read?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Because we haven’t had a lynch in forever and that’s boring. Is my guess.
How about we just vote here, i fail to see how this slot is going to be readable if this keeps up.
VOTE: Wake88

[NorwegianboyEE]

This wagon on Wake id giving me flashbacks to when we quicklynched Drew. That gives me good feelings about this.

[NorwegianboyEE]

We’re consolidating though Lucky, i would prefer Cakez myself.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If so, unvote while I finish catching up, thanks.

I guess i can do that.
UNVOTE:

[NorwegianboyEE]

How do you feel about my slot?

I didn’t think much about you initially. But your catch up now has been townie imo.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Would you say that the two lynch options today are {Wake, Cakez}?

Wouldn’t say they are the only options, but they are the best. I scumread Cakez individually while Wake has now gone to D2 and still hasn’t done much to distinguish himself.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Sircakez

[NorwegianboyEE]

Gotta go fast.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Norwegian, do you have thoughts on any of my thoughts now that I've caught up?

I'm a bit mentally tired right now, but i liked most of what i read from you. Also you make pretty colour reads, that's a ++.

Do you have thoughts regarding my thoughts expressed thoughtfully towards your thoughts?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Having trouble sleeping (what else is new). Noticed that Norwegian had the most recent post in the forum and was surprised to see it's not here. I'm less willing to give them leeway for being mentally tired when I look at their onsite activity since they have made that post.

I hate to argue meta because it becomes a war of speculation.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You're really annoying.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You seemed to be fine voting Wake wagon with me earlier Cakez. Now you’re back to shading me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Because the other game i’m playing is more fun to read than this one.

[NorwegianboyEE]

No. I just hate reading walls of text when i’ve just been standing guard at the museum chatting to tourists for 6 hours.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Discussing my activity levels in ongoing games to such an extent is probably going to break the rules if you keep harping on that point. I also think it’s really dumb because my interest in a game isn’t purely AI, it depends on playerlist and what kind of content is being produced as well.

[NorwegianboyEE]

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hating this Fenraiser wagon, can we please just lynch Cakez or Wake?

[NorwegianboyEE]

FOS on Fenraiser wagon. There was no reason to have that slot lynched so early, it was also hammered without even letting them speak for themselves or claim.
Nice catchup by A50, i feel a lot better about that slot now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Fenraiser

(6) - fwogcarf,

Titus

, SirCakez,

Black Ranger

, LuckyLuciano, Dr Easy Bake [L-0]

It was probably easier for scum to jump on when Titus gave a tacit seal of approval with their vote.
My main guesses for scum on this wagon right now will be between Cakez, LL and DEB.

[NorwegianboyEE]

A50, have i played with you as scum before? I can’t recall that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Nor is playing care-free, which I think is town indicative of him. I'd take this with a frain of salt though as he is good as scum too.

What are you basing this read on?

[NorwegianboyEE]

norwegian has to go
DEB/Nahdia is probably scum too

Ok, why have i "got to go"?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Show me what u got.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't remember where exactly I go this,

Yeah, you’ve never played against scum!me. So idk either.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh wait... That bastard game by Korina!?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I already cased you yesterday and nothing has changed

Yeah, your reads never change. Real town motivation right there.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It is 5-2-1 as we speak

2 maf 1 sk?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm still scumreading you based on these two points today Cakez.

Spoiler:

- Suggests he "looked bad" from Drew lynch on D1.

After looking at these counts, I agree: he really doesn't look great. He naked-voted onto the Manatee wagon in a way that and then disappeared when the Drew wagon appeared.

This is accurate ftr
I didn't really engage Drew much at all. He was totally in my Blindspot.

Also I'm hesitant to call the Manatee wagon scum driven now that Umlaut brings back up who was actually on it

- Looking like a counterwagon on scum to a town lynch on D2.

VC 2.6

Fenraiser (5) - fwogcarf, Titus, SirCakez, Black Ranger, LuckyLuciano [L-1]
NorwegianboyEE
ManateeDude
Black Ranger
Wake88
fwogcarf
Umlaut
Titus
LuckyLuciano
SirCakez (4) - ManateeDude, Umlaut, NorwegianBoyEE, Nahdia [L-2]
Nahdia

Not Voting

(2) - Wake88, Fenraiser

[NorwegianboyEE]

Manatee you've been real frigging low profile lately.
What are your current reads?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well, considering we have currently confirmed town to have
Innocent child - Town Rolecop - Town Nurse - Town Jailkeeper - Town Gunsmith

A full vigilante that sucks hard is pretty unebelievable to consider.
So there most definitely is a SK in this setup.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Nurse isn't a PR.

Well i'd usually consider it a PR even if they don't really do anything. Because just having a different role pm can be some sort of strength in itself.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Stop being mean towards A50. I love his tone.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If it's something akin to 5 v 2 v 1 like A50 said then it would be best to kill the SK to ensure only 1 kill next night. 2 kill on town would completely screw us over.
Town probably lost most of our PR's at this point too.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So Role cop was the SK-cop and Gunsmith was the mafia-cop.

? They can both get a guilty on mafia + SK can’t they?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh wait, Gunsmith’s can’t. Nvm.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Sry i’m dumb. You’re completely right.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I mean, Wake didn't really play this game. Is his meta really a good argument for your slot? Your slot is town, we can just leave it at that.

No we can’t just leave it at that. What IS your reason for townreading him?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Your play around him has been awkward.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Nahdia's slot is still scum, adding onto the lack of content dr easy bake has provided

Scum-scum or SK-scum?

[NorwegianboyEE]

LuckyLuciano. Is there any reason why i shouldn’t believe you are SK trying to solve who mafia is to look town?
It’s been bothering me a bit that you seemed to put Umlaut as SK in an warlier reads list like you knew game had SK and wanted to frame someone as SK early.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Everyone has known for a while that there is an SK. This argument isn't unique to me.

The possibility of a bad vig didn’t occur to you?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Scratch that. Bob was the mafia NK, given the belief that he was doc. Mafia had to kill him to get to Titus. Osuka was vigged or SK'd.

It did occur to you here.
It’s also real bad positioning about the night kills.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: LuckyLuciano

[NorwegianboyEE]

You are the serial killer. I do not see any other possibility. Your posts are also incriminating.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Don’t get me wrong. It’s also PoE.
A50 is unlikely because he mentioned Black Ranger and Umlaut to both be strong townleans in his catch up. Which seemed to genuine to be fabricated with the knowledge that those slots would die. (Which he’d know if he was SK)

[NorwegianboyEE]

Manatee is playing lurkey but i doubt that’s his SK meta based on my previous experiences with him.
DEB did a overly attention grabbing hammer. Unlikely for SK.
Fwogcarf i townread tbh. Not mych agenda from his posts.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Sircakez probably just scum. That leaves you as the SK slot.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You were too convinced about SK. So i either believe you to be town or SK. Not mafia.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If Cakez is mafia and I am SK, are you saying that Nahdia is Cakez' partner?

Possibly. That’s about where i am from my current read at least.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why wouldn't mafia be convinced about SK?

Probably would. But i don’t think your posting comes from scum, because you’re trying really hard to look town and scum hunt. Looking for mafia etc. Which is more in line with how i’d play SK back in my homesite. And with the knowledge there is SK i recognize you to be the most likely.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You said yourself that SK was important to get today, but instead you were hunting for mafia today. Shows you were more concerned about possibly losing to mafia than SK based on current gamestate. If you really had town motivation you would be looking for SK because a lynch on mafia today would make 2 kills happen the next night and reduce town's ability to win. I refuse to consider that this setup only has 2 mafia total, 4 would also be too much considering there's a SK. So 3 mafia + SK is the most likely.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You said yourself that SK was important to get today,

Yesterday*

[NorwegianboyEE]

If we kill 1 mafia and there are 2 kills on town from last mafia + SK we are down to. 3v1v1. Which is not the best option. Some scum are already pretty much caught anyway, so the point is to get rid of SK first.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@LuckyLuciano

Who is the SK if it's not you LuckyLuciano?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I want to lynch Cakez or EE.

If you think it's a better idea to lynch scum then i wouldn't mind doing Cakez today.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'll leave it up to you. But ultimately, i think the SK is in LL. While scum is in Cakez/DEB.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Have you played with Manatee's SK meta?

No, i've played with his town meta. Which i'm seeing here.

If DEB's attention-grabbing hammer is evidence that he is not SK, why is my attention-grabbing defense of Wake not evidence that I am not SK? What's with the double standard?

Your defense of Wake was weird, but seeing as you've got no explanation for your read i can only assume it was a form of gambit.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Would SK necessarily have an obviously scum agenda?

No.

[NorwegianboyEE]

How do you distinguish town meta from SK meta?

It's subtle, but usually they go a bit over the top with trying to act townie and distancing themselves from scum. Which i'm seeing from you.

You ignored my question in return. Who do you believe might be SK? Or any form of explanation of why there are two evil kills each night.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@DEB, have you caught up yet?

I'm here now, shouldn't that be more important?

Is that all you had to say?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I wouldn't be opposed to a mass claim.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Titus. You claim first.

[NorwegianboyEE]

He’s baked. There are no thoughts up there.

[NorwegianboyEE]

A50 what are your thoughts on my spicy SK read?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Now that I think about it Norweigan's had an agenda for a decently long time now

What "agenda"?

[NorwegianboyEE]

If he's SK now I really understand why he wanted day to end so he could hurry up and kill someone

Lol, there was just way too much noise early on. It's easier for me to pay attention when there have been a couple of flips and less spammy players. It's got nothing to do with my role.

[NorwegianboyEE]

iirc norwegian has pretty much ignored the Nahdia/DEB slot all game which is incriminating.

Bullshit. I’ve stated i found their hammer yesterday bad. And i scumread them for that. Don’t misrep my position.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What are y'all waiting for. I'd like to know who you all want to lynch today and why.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'll just pop off this mass claim right now, because i'm feeling starved for content now that this is the only game i can post in atm.
Im a VT.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Popcorn to.... Sircakez.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'd be surprised if anyone claimed not VT with all the PR flips so far. So i'm not actually taking it all that seriously. Setting an order is pointless imo.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'll just pop off this mass claim right now, because i'm feeling starved for content now that this is the only game i can post in atm.
Im a VT.

Did you crumb at all??

Yeah dude, check this shit out. On my first post:

Saudade, "the brilliant player" tragically struck ill after drinking a poisoned chalice of grape juice i specially prepared for him.
Long li

v

e

t

he new king.

Let's see that last sentence in close up:

Long li

v

e

t

he new king.

= VT

UNDENIABLE EVIDENCE.

[NorwegianboyEE]

CHECK FUCKING MATE ATHEISTS!

[NorwegianboyEE]

This seems to imply to me that you would have a role.

As do every player in this game i hope.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If i was SK i'd probably just lurk out this day lol. You're reaching for that argument now because i saw through your web of lies LuckyLuciano.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Who said we can't solve or accuse while meme-ing?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I was memeing while we wait, but okay.

What's your read on me then?

[NorwegianboyEE]

You're right, can't really beat that.

Vermont? Say hi to Bernie Sanders for me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

That’s the reason you made a whole song and dance about Wake?!

[NorwegianboyEE]

Wait a second. That’s some real revelation right there.
If you thought he was a PR then it makes zero sense for SK!you to not NK him...
UNVOTE:
God damn. Is it one of Fwog/Manatee then...?

[NorwegianboyEE]

A50, is it you...?

[NorwegianboyEE]

New read: LL is town.
LL: Who should we lynch today?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh shit is Norweigan SK

Is it Fwog? He had me as TR the whole game before coming up with this post. Which seemed really opportunistic in it’s timing.

Please tell me WHY you made this post.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Town
- Titus
- LuckyLuciano
- ManateeDude

Useless sack of lurks:
- ManateeDude
- Dr Easy Bake

Sus for SK
- A50
- fwogcarf

Sus for mafia
- Sircakez
- Dr Easy Bake

[NorwegianboyEE]

I know ur an ape, but that’s no excuse to get all sassy on me hon’

[NorwegianboyEE]

How do you know that I didn't just make that read up?

Is there any other plausible explanation? Unless ur about to claim PR i don’t see what else you’d defend Wake for.

[NorwegianboyEE]

w/e we both SR the slot lets lynch them sooner or later

How about later.
What’s your read on Fwog?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Don’t tell me i need to reconsider Manatee.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Manatee
I would fight for you, but i’m not entirely sure you’re not SK.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I just had some banana bread. It's damn good.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Except Fwog was investigated by Ranger N1, so he's not mafia.

What? When?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why is this game dead?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Honestly i agree with A50 on this one. That theory about BR investigating Fwog is wack.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think we need to get a rep on both Manatee and Fwog before we can start playing again.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What do you mean? You mean just abandoning it? That’s weak man.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Instead of doing that i suggest you and Cakez just vote Manatee so we can get a lynch.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Wow. You’ve got quite the lenient definition of "abandoning the game".
I’ve never done so. I’ve been playing since i repped in.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Sorry for bring gone I really wanted to work on dedicating myself to this game I just keep falling out + my internet has been really shitty recently going out for 12+ hours so its just been hard to play properly. I feel like I stopped feeling like a part of the game and it was hard to get back to the feeling of being in it. I'm assuming I'll be replaced soon enough but I did want to apologize to everyone that had to deal with my bs this game

Maybe you should have tried to state this earlier.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Now it's up to see if Gobbles lives.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@DEB: Get on manatee, and if he flips red (and he will. I say) we lynch LL next. (And I kinda wish I could PM each and every single one of you telling you what LL is going to say next)

Instead of pm-ing it you can just say it now!

[NorwegianboyEE]

The fact that Manatee didn’t claim town/his role when he noticed he was hammered is scummy. I think he flips red.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Get well soon Gobbles.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I am VLA until 10th July. But might make some posts if i get the chance.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Mostly just skimmed posts, but got some initial reactions.
A50, why are you self-voting? It’s anti-town and i don’t understand it.
Titus, can you explain your reads and thoughts behind them? Might as well see some openness from you as the IC.
Really surprised about that Cakez kill btw, he looked scummy to me and i don’t see why he’d die unless it was intended as a frame kill.
Be back later.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Now, who would you want to eliminate between A50/LL/JV, and why?

Tbh, i think you’re town and LL/JV are scum slots. I don’t really TR either of them, but you i do.
It doesn’t really matter which one of them we eliminate in that case so i suggest you pick one and then i assume either of LL/JV would be eager to finish off the other.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Fwog is probably SK slot.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Nor: And what do you think about my proposition of a No Elimination and letting them cross-kill instead? What are the pros and cons of that in your view?

I almost never agree to a no lynch unless the arguments in favor are very compelling.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Nor: And what do you think about my proposition of a No Elimination and letting them cross-kill instead? What are the pros and cons of that in your view?

I almost never agree to a no lynch unless the arguments in favor are very compelling.

You do realize the IC wants to eliminate you, right? You think that's better for Town than No Elimination? *Shrug*

So? I’m sure i can argue my case as long as she explains why i’m scumread.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Titus
You said your VCA was useless this game, yet your view on the wagons makes you prefer a lynch on me. Can you explain this?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don’t think i’ve played scummy when compared to LL and JV so your stance makes little sense to me, and when you talk about wagon analyzis i almost never understand what you’re talking about. I’ve just assumed it makes sense.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think LL’s push on A50 has been bad and opportunistic from the outset. A50’s catch up was very town imo, and the fact that he posted extensive reads of both NK’s when he replaced in like he didn’t know they would be eliminated spews him as neither SK or Mafia but town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

As for Fwog i think he’s just SK based on PoE because it cannot be anyone else.

[NorwegianboyEE]

When i say Fwog i mean= JV btw. Habits are hard to break.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Are you claiming gunsmith?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh you’re talking about BR. Nvm.