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[JacksonVirgo]

Superbowl
Ikeepsiteflaking
Bell
Hiraki
A50

Are these the people you townread? Scumread? Are banned from your next B-day party??

Why is it not scummy for him to ask is this my list of townreads??? when I am pushing Superbowl.

If he was town, his mindest would be to check who I scumread and If my scumread reads as genuine.
!TownAlmost50 should know who I am pushing.
The fact he asks is this my townreads list is evidence that he doesnt care what I;m doing in the game.

I think that it's them asking what the list was instead of just assuming. Nobody is ever going to take the time to check your ISO to understand a specific post rather than just ask. And back to my other point of, scum would more likely read the thread rather than town.

[JacksonVirgo]

@72 do you have anything on my counter-argument or no

Also can you explain how that's forced, don't see it personally. Only bit that I can see at least somewhat would be the bottom

What counterargument?

That scum would more likely pay more attention to the thread than a town would. And thus saying X person is scummy for not reading the thread is kinda moot

[JacksonVirgo]

Also pls respond to my 1924 .

Beat you to the punch

[JacksonVirgo]

Not everyone ISO's their scumread, unless that's some sort of meta-read

[JacksonVirgo]

If someone can counter what I've been saying or set me straight if I'm astray, I may vote A50 otherwise I'll stick to 72

[JacksonVirgo]

@72 do you have anything on my counter-argument or no

Also can you explain how that's forced, don't see it personally. Only bit that I can see at least somewhat would be the bottom

What counterargument?

That scum would more likely pay more attention to the thread than a town would. And thus saying X person is scummy for not reading the thread is kinda moot

If it was a random player, sure, but in this case,
he IGNORED THE PLAYER HE WAS SCUMREADING

I don't think this is as big of a scum-tell as you think it is

[JacksonVirgo]

There you go again

[JacksonVirgo]

@72, I am not saying A50 is a town-read of mine. They're not. But I don't necessarily think that they're as scummy as any of you think they are but I do agree that it's probably a better lynch than Lapsa for information if nobody can get onto 72.

I also wanna sheep my new bestie... but my brain doesn't wan me to.

[JacksonVirgo]

only minor thing that irks me about 72 is that he came in and vanity voted bell. but yes a50 is scummier than 72. You could certianly argue that lapsa barely posting is just scum flying under the radar.

I didnt know the deadline at that stage. Its Sunday night here.

Oh that's like a week

[JacksonVirgo]

UNVOTE:
I'm gonna sleep to clear my head and then come back.
I'm currently willing to vote 72 or maybe a50 if push comes to shove.

[JacksonVirgo]

TITUS DUDE

Ima add it to my sig

[JacksonVirgo]

No worries, check my sig

[JacksonVirgo]

Oof that's true

[JacksonVirgo]

Even if it's my only game?

[JacksonVirgo]

Fuck it Ima go against my gut
VOTE: A50

[JacksonVirgo]

Naked vote and I will vig you in your sleep, dw because I will know if you move

[JacksonVirgo]

Naked vote and I will vig you in your sleep, dw because I will know if you move

If you apologize, I will patch you back together

[JacksonVirgo]

Do you have any opinions on the game state rn Hiraki?

not good ones

I wish you’d all grow a pair and go for a real big boi lymch such as Almost50 or Stan1ey.

i can feel /okay/ with an A50 lynch. not really vibing a stanley one tbh

Norwegian should be self-resolvable, so lynching D1 is probably dumb
Lapsa is kinda a brick slot rn so a vigi shot is greater here
Glitch is a PR claim so no
Fwes is a PR claim so no
72offsuit is scummy and has interactions so a lynch here is better than a brick or a PR claim or someone self-resolvable.

Thoughts?

u went through everything but CSF/Ali?

Don't really have a case on either, just said those that are the current wagons and/or previous top wagons from what I can remember.

[JacksonVirgo]

Anyway I am off to sleep now, speed-hammer and I will find you

[JacksonVirgo]

Has the number of scum been confirmed?

The townvmafia numbers are confirmed to be 16v5

[JacksonVirgo]

Post 1 at the bottom, setup notes:
e townvmafia numbers are confirmed to be 16v5

Oh 72 said it in the post after, derp

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: 72offsuit I don't like A50 wagon also am probly not gonna post for the rest of the day

As I said yesterday, I do think 72 is more likely scum than any of the other top wagons but I wouldn't hate an A50 hammer either.

[JacksonVirgo]

NorwegianboyEE (4):Almost50, JacksonVirgo , stan1ey, Glitch

A50 scum
Glitch scum
Stan1ey might or might not be scum
JacksonVirgo might be town

No no no. You can't state a TR on someone voting you. You are the beacon of townyness and everyone who as much as looks at you in an unfavourable way must be scum.

I don't understand if you're calling out the fact they're SRing two on their wagon or TRing one on their wagon.

[JacksonVirgo]

Deadline:FROZEN

I am sorry. I have to.

Spoiler:

Die

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: LXXII

Just vote 72 normally

[JacksonVirgo]

Sorry lol I got distracted halfway, Ima come back

[JacksonVirgo]

I’m out rn but I’ll post when I get home

[JacksonVirgo]

yoohoo everyone!

i will read through this the best i can over the next day or so but i would very much appreciate any sort of tl;dr

TL;DR is that Norwegian is full Town, Nero is a weakish town-lean because of how they've kinda dropped recently (pre-freeze). 72offsuit is scummy, A50 is scummy to a few people that I can not see more than 72.

There we go

[JacksonVirgo]

Actually that's not much of a TR;DR but others told ya enough, now catch up yee butt

[JacksonVirgo]

i haven't replaced out yet so it's locktown

Yeah not off to a good start there bud

[JacksonVirgo]

i feel like titus voting something out of the blue like that is in character tbh.

So are you saying Titus is more in their town or scum meta?

[JacksonVirgo]

72 don't do this to me.

i have a mighty vote i can wield upon your wagon

Yeah I personally think 72 and this has at least one scum in it, although this seems extremely theatre like when you read 72 as scum.

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: Glitch
I want to know what he will do when pressured.

L-2

Forecasting the reason for your vote doesn't feel like town trying to trap scum.

Was that post before or after I addressed my hatred towards blind voting

[JacksonVirgo]

Nah it's more of a tone thing, though we're still bess frens yeah?

[JacksonVirgo]

Nah it's more of a tone thing, though we're still bess frens yeah?

Or maybe it's me reading stuff in a different way.

Lemme do a quick ISO dive

[JacksonVirgo]

@Nero I did slightly SR when you first said that but that was only because I thought Framer's could exist but they can't

[JacksonVirgo]

scum can still block and kill

I guess that is true, but it isn't as bad as directly forcing a false-positive result. If that's the right wording, I heard that term on a recent game on my home site and I likey

[JacksonVirgo]

Ares towm . wan to town block ydrasse?

Alisae town, want to town-block ydrasse?

[JacksonVirgo]

Alright I was reading nero in a warped vision, they're gucci

[JacksonVirgo]

@Norw, not too far ago but as soon as you started reciprocating my thoughts etc. Check my ISO. Though I did exaggerate in that post

[JacksonVirgo]

Norwegian mindmelding with me is probably indicative that they're Town, I don't remember ever having that happen with scum with me anyway and it's become a strong town-tell for me.

Specifically this

[JacksonVirgo]

2 parts of JV's push against me stink.
1 - when he accused me of logging in at a convenient time despite that time being when i normally log on, which he full well knows bring Aussie himseld and us playing at least 2 games with each other prior to this.
2) This lame scum theatre theory

I went to check this before sleeping but first of all, I don't expect an aussie to log in at almost midnight to start catching up so unless you expect I think every australian stays awake until 4am try again.
Second one is likely if you flip wolf, or if they flip wolf.

[JacksonVirgo]

72 don't do this to me.

i have a mighty vote i can wield upon your wagon

Yeah I personally think 72 and this has at least one scum in it, although this seems extremely theatre like when you read 72 as scum.

Am i known for my scum vs scum theatre am i?
Pls show me a past game of mine that supports this.

Lmfao seriously?

I rarely play games with you for one. And the kicker here is that you probably didn't notice but... that's not your fucking post dude.

Unsure if I've got my vote on them already but
VOTE: 72

[JacksonVirgo]

I have a kind of tinfoil where 72 mistook their buddies post for their own but that's just jumping straight to probable stupid logic so Ima just say it now for post-game cred if that was actually the case lmfao.

[JacksonVirgo]

I have a kind of tinfoil where 72 mistook their buddies post for their own but that's just jumping straight to probable stupid logic so Ima just say it now for post-game cred if that was actually the case lmfao.

I meant to quote that post. You said you thought that was scum and scum theatre between Yd and myself.

If you are town you are confbiasing with a garbage line of thought.

I do think it's scum theatre because of the wording and tone. But I was SRing you wayyyy before that regardless so defending yourself from that one post is pointless.

p-edit: And now they're gonna go and OMGUS me lel

p-edit 2: I am always "out there", everyone tries to get me to change my play-style but I have fun playing like I do so I'm not changing shite.

[JacksonVirgo]

Can we honestly jus wagon IKSF?

No

[JacksonVirgo]

@Nero, what's your reads on Titus. I'm always SRing them in all games so I have no idea how to read them

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm gonna calm down a bit I think I keep falling into a tunnel of just shutting down everyone I scum-read, I think there's a term for that.

[JacksonVirgo]

p-edit 2: I am always "out there", everyone tries to get me to change my play-style but I have fun playing like I do so I'm not changing shite.

wasn't asking you to. I just think you are prob wrong about 72. I liked his stuff about IKS.

Who the heck is IKS

[JacksonVirgo]

Nvm ignore me

[JacksonVirgo]

I keep site flaking

Yeah I derped for a second

[JacksonVirgo]

I'd never ignore you

<3

[JacksonVirgo]

Just the person 2 posts agk u said u wudnt vote for.

I didn't really look at who you were talking about, I don't want you flailing onto another wagon.

Nero seems to like your thoughts on them I'll give them a read

[JacksonVirgo]

Dude

[JacksonVirgo]

Anyway, goodnight all.

Also I'm starting S8 of Supernatural now and oh god.

[JacksonVirgo]

I lied, I didn't sleep when I said I was

[JacksonVirgo]

Alright, I'll sheep your read on them.

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm not Ralph so don't take my Titus read as the gospel.

Glorious

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm off to sleep for real this time

[JacksonVirgo]

Alright so. NPower, SiteFlake, superbowl all scum for naked voting.

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm off to the city peeps talk soon

[JacksonVirgo]

SUP FAM

Ya boi is back

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: 72

VOTE: norwwegian
i actually like this more

b r u h

Can you explain why, I don't like naked voting

[JacksonVirgo]

Virgo has a pet peeve about blind votes or votes given without an explanation. I

guess he wants people to empty vote and empty quote

whoever prompted the wagon or give their own reasons.
Which makes some sense. I think it would be easier and more townie just to ask each one why they voted than just to say stuff at them, but eh.

No idea what you mean by the bolded but yeah

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: Titus

not all that convinced that this is scum but there's some iffy things there and if town she wouldn't be all that helpful

scum is prob in

glitch
town looter
hiraki
yd
stan
iks

?? Why would you vote them if you aren't convinced they are scum. That makes zero sense to me.

What's the current case on titus

[JacksonVirgo]

Glitch is still scum.
Also lol @Town Looter’s logic.
It’s pretty cute tho.

Are you still wanting to eliminate glitch? Not that I'm super duper butthurt like most people but just curious

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: Ydrasse

Even though you naked vote (bruh momento) I can sheep this, I think that this or 72 are just as good.
To be completely honest I think that they're more likely to flip wolf than 72 is, mainly that post that I saw as theatre.

The reason why I think that's theatre is that I have known that FoSing your buddy is a common scum-tell and that was one hell of a FoS and it was incredibly passive and weak if that makes any sense.

VOTE: Ydrasse
Although I can easily just jump right back on 72

[JacksonVirgo]

I thonk I can read ydrasse off her entry fast and loose analyses but I'm too tired to do so today

Aight

[JacksonVirgo]

bell why do you have so many posts i do not want to read all of these

Alright?

[JacksonVirgo]

If they're sheeping a reason, they would just quote the original poster's reason and then vote.
Going to bed.

Oh yeah

[JacksonVirgo]

If I was a vigi, I'd shoot naked voters >:)

[JacksonVirgo]

literally everything that i've posted so far is "weak" + norwe already abandoned that vote

Oh so you are conscious about what you say and do, aight

[JacksonVirgo]

Wagon my reads bruhs

[JacksonVirgo]

i do in fact have somewhat of an awareness of what i post yes

thinking that is immediately scummy is lazy at best

Whatever you say,


Anywho I'm gonna give FM a break for the night. Mainly because I'm just in a shit mood, I may be back after I eat as it could be me being hangry lel

[JacksonVirgo]

Also what's the case on Titus

[JacksonVirgo]

i literally quoted it for you a page ago

Oh I missed it, Ima go back now

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh I already read that, I don't personally see that as super duper scummy more than 72 or ydrasse but I wouldn't mind if they were eliminated.

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: Ydrasse

Even though you naked vote (bruh momento) I can sheep this, I think that this or 72 are just as good.
To be completely honest I think that they're more likely to flip wolf than 72 is, mainly that post that I saw as theatre.

The reason why I think that's theatre is that I have known that FoSing your buddy is a common scum-tell and that was one hell of a FoS and it was incredibly passive and weak if that makes any sense.

VOTE: Ydrasse
Although I can easily just jump right back on 72

Alright. If it has a chance, i mainly went back to Titus cus i thought i’d get shouted at for vanity voting again.
VOTE: Ydrasse

What does vanity voting mean?

[JacksonVirgo]

I feel like everyone that is or has voted you is pretty scummy in thier own right. Glitch, looter, YD, Stan, dolittle. I mean I certainly understand your point that in a game with the majority of town votes most votes will be town votes but it seems silly to me that if you did infact flip town you feel that it's scummy that I want to lynch my scum reads off of your wagon.

I voted them too besfren

[JacksonVirgo]

vanity voting is when you vote a wagon thats not gonna happen

VOTE: Nero Cain

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm hilarious
VOTE: Ydrasse

[JacksonVirgo]

Anyway I'm off to binge supernatural again, be back later

[JacksonVirgo]

Does anyone know ways to get to sleep once you're super over-tired? I can't sleep at all and I've tried for literal hours. Literally lying there in the dark for hours. Tried at 8 and now it's 12.

[JacksonVirgo]

We need an elim today right?

Don't tell me you're suggesting no-elim today

[JacksonVirgo]

@MM I think you're falling into confbias.

[JacksonVirgo]

when i can't sleep no matter what easyist i stop tryin and do something relaxin for a bit to try again later . like tea or read a book

Ah I see, I'll probably try that in about an hour. Thank you heaps

[JacksonVirgo]

I am going to claim because I won't be around much until deadline. I am a loud babysitter.

Why'd you claim just now? Wouldn't that be something better hidden

[JacksonVirgo]

Tbch I wouldn't even mind switching right back to Glitch, they've literally disappeared

[JacksonVirgo]

Actually I think they haven't but obviously their content is wack because I don't remember anything spark off them for ages.

[JacksonVirgo]

Tbch I wouldn't even mind switching right back to Glitch, they've literally disappeared

bUt ThEy ClAiMeD PoWeR rOlE!!
Are you scum claiming??!??1?

Lmfao yeah that's fair

[JacksonVirgo]

going make a bet that the game could be solved by shorting these 5 players laps/loot/al50 . hmmm i couldn't think of 2 more mayb not haha

Lmfao, nice. So you're thinking we lynch in (I forget who replaced Lapsa), Looter and A50?

[JacksonVirgo]

@JacksonVirgo I only naked vote

Oh no..

[JacksonVirgo]

@Manatee: Who is scum? Can you post a readlist??

Genius

[JacksonVirgo]

ralph give me strength

VOTE: 72

the fact that 72 also was trying to attack me for having "no reasons" is also silly

More reason to make me think 72 and ydrasse are buddies. I see a lot of scum FoS their buddy early on and then when about to die they vote them to try to seperate. Again may be confbias

[JacksonVirgo]

ralph give me strength

VOTE: 72

the fact that 72 also was trying to attack me for having "no reasons" is also silly

More reason to make me think 72 and ydrasse are buddies. I see a lot of scum FoS their buddy early on and then when about to die they vote them to try to seperate. Again may be confbias

Or at least they're scum acting awkwardly towards 72

[JacksonVirgo]

@Mod, will be V/LA from the 1st AEST for a day or two since it's my b'day and I'm also sorting stuff out.

[JacksonVirgo]

Wait, it'd be night then. Ignore me

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: 72offsuit

I sense this is gonna be the wagon for tday

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh that was E-1, oofers sorry didn't realise

[JacksonVirgo]

No more votes until claim.

>:)

VOTE: 72offsuit

[JacksonVirgo]

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, aight

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm going to assume a vigi shot pete

[JacksonVirgo]

I consider it fairly surprising that neither Fwesnid nor glitch is dead.

Unsure what you mean by this, are you saying that you assumed one would have been attacked assuming they were town?

[JacksonVirgo]

Idk if i’m interested in BoP arguments right now.
More about fake claiming PR’s.

What does BoP mean?

[JacksonVirgo]

I find it extremely hard to believe that we wagoned 4 PR's in a row.

[JacksonVirgo]

There is almost definitely scum within Glitch/Fwen/Titus.

p-edit: I don't want to google that

[JacksonVirgo]

Googled it anyway

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm awaiting the results of the currently claimed PR's.


But here I shall sit
VOTE: Glitch

[JacksonVirgo]

Wait who hammered 72 again?

[JacksonVirgo]

I confirm Titus is lound.

Oh alright, this doesn't confirm that much but still.

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh, vigi shooting pete may not have been super dumb then.

[JacksonVirgo]

k, thanks.

I want to hear what glitch has to say since he mentioned he could activate his role day 2 in a semi helpful manner.
While his bigger stuff is day 4.
Though, yeah. Don't mistake me. I suspect it.

Yeah they need to claim today

[JacksonVirgo]

Don't hammer without claim from now on. We have a vigi and don't want to random lynch him/her.

If anyone hammers prematurely they can get shot by the vigi or chain lynched the next day, regardless of what alignment they flip as. I'm not accepting a "Lel I am a chad so Ima hammer".

[JacksonVirgo]

Don't hammer without claim from now on. We have a vigi and don't want to random lynch him/her.

this is IIoA

Really?? Can you explain 2 NKs in a NORMAL.. 16v5 setup??

Two mafia's

[JacksonVirgo]

welcome Nero Cain. You are a

town disloyal roleblocker.

Nero was probably on me last night.

Why assume this?

[JacksonVirgo]

Heh, if scum got roleblocked they literally cannot claim that even if another town rber exists. Possibly a free cop check.
Oh god I'm hoping that would be so good

p-edit: Holy fuck

[JacksonVirgo]

welcome Nero Cain. You are a

town disloyal roleblocker.

Nero was probably on me last night.

Why assume this?

Because I want to TROLL noobs like you.

Nero is DISLOYAL, which means his role only works on SCUM. If I suggest he was on me I am hinting I was RB'd and thus am claiming SCUM.

Bruh

[JacksonVirgo]

welcome Nero Cain. You are a

town disloyal roleblocker.

Nero was probably on me last night.

Why assume this?

Because I want to TROLL noobs like you.

Nero is DISLOYAL, which means his role only works on SCUM. If I suggest he was on me I am hinting I was RB'd and thus am claiming SCUM.

Bruh

If only you kept your "finger idle" I could have got what I wanted from those I don't know. From each person's reaction I could have decided how experienced they were, and thus could have reevaluated their content.

Okay?

[JacksonVirgo]

I am lowkey starting to despise reaction tests

[JacksonVirgo]

Heh, if scum got roleblocked they literally cannot claim that even if another town rber exists. Possibly a free cop check.
Oh god I'm hoping that would be so good

I don't understand this.

Assume this game has two town roleblockers, one which only can block scum (which nero was) and another which is just a normal roleblocker.

If a Mafia got roleblocked last night, they would have absolutely no way of knowing whether or not it was Nero or another roleblocker and thus if they do not claim roleblocked, if the normal rber did roleblock them, they would call out the mafia and we'd have an outted scum. If the other roleblocker did not target them and/or there isn't another roleblocker and they claim roleblocked, it would be an outted scum.

Just an interesting combination that I may or may not use in future setups of mine since I doubt two town roleblockers exist. But iioa time from jackaboiman is that I suspect that there is little town PR's considering how the town rber can't block town. Which also makes the 4 PR claims in a row even more suspicious to me but that may be confirmation bias.

[JacksonVirgo]

Just remembered I dont think roleblockers give feedback on this site

[JacksonVirgo]

I can't respond to stuff at the moment as I'm haeding out but I did read up till now.

[JacksonVirgo]

Jackson can we have an interaction so I can read you thanks bye

On mobile, alright what person do you want me to do a s/s interaction with?

[JacksonVirgo]

oh shit its stanley

have i told you your avi looks like the really old lady in the spongebob chocolate episode?

Bruh it’s obviously an alien

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh neat you found a dude

[JacksonVirgo]

Jackson can we have an interaction so I can read you thanks bye

On mobile, alright what person do you want me to do a s/s interaction with?

One of the replaces please

Hey shelly you just replaced in, I am FoSing you because that's what scum sometimes does to their partner to distance.

(superbowl, that cool?)

[JacksonVirgo]

I personally don't see the reason to hold back the gunsmith result but maybe that's just me

[JacksonVirgo]

I don't feel like lynching a claimed or today.

Nero wanted stanley dead I think.
VOTE: stanley

super lazy + not great but i kinda feel the lazy part.

Does it not make sense that scum killing Nero is intended to set up a lynch on me or glitch?

I don't feel like lynching a claimed or today.

Nero wanted stanley dead I think.
VOTE: stanley

I just think this is a terrible reason to vote for me. How often do scum kill the person who scum reads them for the intention of getting them off their case? Just leads a trail back to them surely

correct to call it a not great reason but a) wifom b) why glitch is tacked on in this defense.

-

okay i gave up on quoting honestly but

VOTE: stanley

given 2825 from fwe, i think that flipping stanley would probablyyyyy help resolve between fwe/glitch. i would very much like to have glitch claim as well but i think for the size of the game the amount of prs we have makes sense so far and i guess if he doesn't want to without the wagon... okay?

i liked jackson's 2770 even if i ultimately disagree with the conclusion of it; it feels good and like someone getting excited when they're onto something.

also if town!stanley is a thing i think that my soul vote is right and scum!norway is a thing.

Why do you have fwen/glitch but not titus? They're all PR claimants from D1, unless you were meaning LHF, if so I don't think Fwen is lhf.

[JacksonVirgo]

Keeping pressure on me until I hard claim will just put a target on my back when I am a major asset to the town late game.

Spoiler:

This is just survivalism. You keep arguing how useful you will be, but why would scum not kill you anyway when you openly brag about how game changing your PR will be in late game? I highly doubt your claim is genuine.

I agree but would scum!glitch create a vague as balls claim as scum or just claim what they plan on claiming to try to brush the heat off them. Serious question as I'm unsure myself

[JacksonVirgo]

i do wonder though why glitch would claim to be something that is verifiable if scum!glitch is a thing

I don't think they ever claimed they were verifiable, just that they'll be a strong role later down the line.

[JacksonVirgo]

also sorry @ 72 for the hammer getting dropped down like that w/o the claim, feel free 2 clown me for scumreading you after this game

Wrong does not equal bad.

I think the wagon was good, just the outcome was bad. If that makes any sense, I'll have to relook at who jumped on and why.

[JacksonVirgo]

i'm not great, at all, with setup spec but i feel that... loud babysitter makes sense? as town? announcing basically to potential scum that you're onto them, etc. esp if titus hadn't been forced to out it would allow for some counterplay for mafia...???

A loud babysitter does make sense mechanically, especially with a vigi but that's not a reason to believe they're town over how they're acting. They've got the same chance of flipping wolf as Fwen/Glitch objectively.

Although I think Glitch is going to flip wolf more than Fwen/Titus. Fwen holding back their information is townie I think, I would assume mafia would out their fake information immediatey or semi-immediately but could be wrong as well.

[JacksonVirgo]

If Glitch is an IC or something that would be epic

[JacksonVirgo]

loud gunsmith, yeah, makes... an equal amount of sense esp with at least 1 confirmed vig. false positives, blah blah.

Gunsmith can be mafia iirc. Town Gunsmith would try to find the mafia, and Mafia would try to find vigi etc.
Their claim may be real but it says nothing about their alignment really.

[JacksonVirgo]

I am getting a townie vibe off ydrasse, I'll explain further later tonight as I'm going to my mother's place for her birthday this weekend and I'm leaving soon.

[JacksonVirgo]

I am getting a townie vibe off ydrasse, I'll explain further later tonight as I'm going to my mother's place for her birthday this weekend and I'm leaving soon.

I did SR them eod1 but I think their d2 so far is townie

[JacksonVirgo]

@Ydrasse, I probably would have still wanted 72 lynched considering they'd be another PR claim and for future reasons I will explain in the future.

[JacksonVirgo]

Ah yes,

loud

gunsmith. VOTE: Fwesnid

Unless someone claimed to have recieved a gun from him, my vote goes there.
Loud modifier:

The Loud modifier makes it so if Player A targets Player B at night, Player B will be informed that they were targeted by Player A but not what action was taken. For example, if Player A was a Loud Cop and used it on Player B, Player B would be notified that they were targeted by Player A, but not that they used cop.

A loud gunsmith is immediatly confirmable, since the target will recieve feedback of both having been gifted a gun and having been visited by the player. No feedback on this either means that Fwesnid is scum or that he is town who targeted scum, in which case the vigi (very likely to exist since we have two kills, and Pete looks like a prime vigi target to me given his hammer lol) can shoot the scum at night once Fwesnid says who he targeted.

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I am very selfishly happy that Nero died, because he was a big issue in my reads, seeing his flip. Guess we should look at Glitch a bit more closely, although I still don't get Nero's case on him.

That’s not what gunsmith does on this site, confused me too

[JacksonVirgo]

I thought you were referring to roles that cannot exist in this setup, like FBI Agent or PGO

Oh god... Vietnam flashbacks

[JacksonVirgo]

I think a Glitch/A50 team is possible

[JacksonVirgo]

I think a Glitch/A50 team is possible

What’s the connection?

No connection just I sr both rn especially with the gunsmith positive on a50

[JacksonVirgo]

But you said team, so i assumed you had more than an independent SR on both of them.

I should probably expand my vocabulary

[JacksonVirgo]

UNVOTE: Glitch

Can someone case TLooter for me

[JacksonVirgo]

I wouldn't mind a Glitch wagon if it happened but I think the ideal hammer is elsewhere outside of the current PR claims.

[JacksonVirgo]

I'd like A50 to claim, solely because of the gunsmith check.

[JacksonVirgo]

I'd like A50 to claim, solely because of the gunsmith check.

And in extension I'm going to pressure it
VOTE: A50

[JacksonVirgo]

I'd like A50 to claim, solely because of the gunsmith check.

And in extension I'm going to pressure it
VOTE: A50

Read his iso, you don't need a claim.

I shall read it later, probably either tomorrow morning or (never) since it's late. And I believe a gunsmith red is a reason to claim

[JacksonVirgo]

Unless a gunsmith red isn't such a big deal as I think it is

[JacksonVirgo]

It isn’t damning imo. There’s quite a lot of positives for a gunsmith. In fact it’s a hard role to make useful because they could just out PR’s rather than actually catching scum.

Oh okay, I'll re-read their reaction to outting it

[JacksonVirgo]

Ignore me I said nothing, I don't want them to claim
UNVOTE: A50UNVOTE:

[JacksonVirgo]

UNVOTE: A50
Fixed

[JacksonVirgo]

The larger PoE excluding PR claims would probably include
{ Hiraki, Siteflaking, Stan, superbowl, NoPower, shelly, MMarshal, ralph, Looter }

I wouldn't mind hammering in there, also Titus I wouldn't mind either. I don't fully expect scum!fwen to out their gunsmith positive rather than say they checked a buddy to keep the results within the mafia but I also could be wrong. Just I thought that mafia!them would have pushed a lot harder for an A50 lynch when they did the opposite.

[JacksonVirgo]

SJReaver was incredibly townie to me, but shelly is lowkey dissapointing

[JacksonVirgo]

Jackson can we have an interaction so I can read you thanks bye

On mobile, alright what person do you want me to do a s/s interaction with?

One of the replaces please

Hey shelly you just replaced in, I am FoSing you because that's what scum sometimes does to their partner to distance.

(superbowl, that cool?)

Yes amazin

Epic what's your read on me now

[JacksonVirgo]

Eyyyyy I have the 2nd most posts in all the living players

Flex flex flex

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: MM

This seems fairly cut and dry

[JacksonVirgo]

Wait how did I miss the fact Fwen claimed a check on MM, looking back I saw that I posted afterwards lmfao

[JacksonVirgo]

This might just be a sort by post count game.

As ive been saying

Does that mean I'm lock-town? plzplzplz

[JacksonVirgo]

This might just be a sort by post count game.

As ive been saying

Does that mean I'm lock-town? plzplzplz

You gotta fill out your application to the town block or you can just join the scum block too

Where's the application.

[JacksonVirgo]

I'd like A50 to claim, solely because of the gunsmith check.

You're playing even worse than you did when you claimed PGO in a Normal!

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I said that never happened, and no I'm not

[JacksonVirgo]

Would it be safer to let the real vigi shoot them if real (and risk them being GF/immune) or eliminate them?

[JacksonVirgo]

@Bell, I request the legal document to become into the town block.

[JacksonVirgo]

Hello, I exist. More catch-up to do, it seems.

Had a feeling the MM omgus was coming if I waited long enough

I think MM's spew is kinda IIoAy

Not in the traditional way but more in the just put out a bunch of basic level argumentation thats really low hanging fruit type of way if you get me - not saying it's AI yet

Discrediting 2 pages of my content without any quotes and labelling them as IIoA and OMGUS? Nice

Yeah your 2 pages are just basic information and not really things that are pushy/pushable, hence why it's IIoA.

I know you want me to go point by point through so you can undermine my position, but that literally makes no sense because I'm saying you've been cluttering the thread with basic info. Why would I respond to/elaborate upon that basic info lol?

Also dude you have literally OMGUSed everyone who has slighted you. Idk why you view this as a "discredit" because (at least imo) OMGUS is pretty NAI in most cases but it's just funny to point out when you OMGUS scumread someone then say they're OMGUSing.

V

ery convenient for you lol, you get to not explain your reads!

I

think that's what you wanted, hm?

G

reat discredit again, btw.

I

'd like you to at least back it up A BIT with some quotes, if you don't mind.

Back then, I was planning on shooting Superbowl (hence why it was in reply to him), but then my read changed. I made another post that I cannot find that was either replying directly to Offsuit or talking about him in which I made the same code (the capital letters of each sentence start spell "VIGI"), since I planned on shooting him. But then he was lynched before I could come to the thread, and Pickaxe Pete's hammer and general lack of content was just... eww, and the info obtained by lynching him would have been basically zero since noone really interacted with him, perhaps minus about me because of my early game super-weak townread on him, so I shot him.

Bruh

[JacksonVirgo]

So Fwen/MM is an SvT or an SvS I have no issues with just lynching MM here.

[JacksonVirgo]

This might just be a sort by post count game.

As ive been saying

Does that mean I'm lock-town? plzplzplz

Yes, unless you're Australian!

WAIT! You ARE Australian.

FUCK!

I'm lock scum now, fun

[JacksonVirgo]

I can't do content rn because I am barely functioning at 1am (which is rare)

Night all

[JacksonVirgo]

Can scum have a vigi role?

[JacksonVirgo]

Can scum have a vigi role?

No

There goes my epic tinfoil

[JacksonVirgo]

@MM, are you just a vigi that can shoot every night? Or is it X-shot or something. Curious


Also real vigi don't claim

[JacksonVirgo]

Can a scum JOAT have a vigi shot?

[JacksonVirgo]

Aight I was just trying to see if the vigi is possibly not a vigi at all and thus can't be cc'ed (like they're pushing)

[JacksonVirgo]

@MM, are you just a vigi that can shoot every night? Or is it X-shot or something. Curious


Also real vigi don't claim

I can shoot every night. I also have

something else

that you don't have to know lol.

Considering you're pretty much outted scum, you should probably claim instead of doing a glitch.

[JacksonVirgo]

Can a scum JOAT have a vigi shot?

I'm pretty sure that all of the tinfoils you're suggesting and will suggest aren't Normal lol

I'm trying goddamnit! :c

[JacksonVirgo]

Don’t let MM out our real vigilante.

When I flip Vigilante, you'll want to defend yourself with more than "oh but the check...". Why am I scum? You're kinda doing like you did when you said someone (I think A50) was scum and that noone had to ask questions about it.

I'll take my chances on you flipping scum.

Aight well I guess there's no point in withholding the

something else

if Norwee is just going to be mute... I am a

vengeful

vigilante. No shot restrictions, as I said.

That's even more reason to eliminate you over fwen, as we can 1 for 1 easily.

[JacksonVirgo]

Why would town!you not venge fwen here when you know they're fake from your perspective?

[JacksonVirgo]

Sorry I'm half asleep am I being stupid

[JacksonVirgo]

What are they at aorn?

[JacksonVirgo]

Isn't theatre where scum try and diiscuss stuff with their buddy?

[JacksonVirgo]

[JacksonVirgo]

Uhhh, wrong song

[JacksonVirgo]

Assuming your wagon is what Glitch says and if you're actually vengeful.

I wouldn't hate a venge within Fwesnid, Titus, Glitch, A50, Hiraki, Stan1ey.
Not in that order.
Probably in the order of { Fwesnid, Stan, Hiraki, A50, Titus, Glitch }

I can't see a possible way Fwesnid didn't both get the result of you accurate AND not notify you of their loud modifier so you and fwes have at least one scum in it from what I see. Although if there is a reason then any in that poe is fine.

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm going to go to sleep now, goodnight all. Felt like I needed to say that as nobody else was, since I know it seems like they're 100% scum but just in case they're not we need to set a plan.

[JacksonVirgo]

Hol' up, is there a redirector possible in normal setups? Maybe a tinfoil could be said for them being switched to maf!A50 so they claimed it, but when fwen claimed they retracted.

[JacksonVirgo]

Can a drug dealer or some other role

I don't know what a Drug Dealer is, but here's the list for Normal Roles. Feel free to double check and explain how the check went through but not the modofier.

Drug Dealer gives fake notifications or night feedback to players. I know it by Hypnotist and Prankster tho

[JacksonVirgo]

how am I "disappointing" though

don't ignore this Jackson

I'll get to it, it's my mums birthday today so I'm spending it with her.

[JacksonVirgo]

So it was likely a mod-error. Alright

[JacksonVirgo]

I've got an easy fix, if vigi is fake. The real vigi can shoot them, if they're immune. They can be outted tomorrow. Meanwhile we could probably wagon someone within the PoE

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: Glitch
I think that the vigi should likely just shoot within the PoE and we elim within the poe.

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: Glitch
I think that the vigi should likely just shoot within the PoE and we elim within the poe.

Or in extension. If the vigi isn't MM, MM gets shot. If MM is vigilante, they shoot within the PoE.

[JacksonVirgo]

@Bell, who are you most confident are town aorn?

[JacksonVirgo]

Gich bad so gon gem the scum

[JacksonVirgo]

Di n thk a5 bad wag

[JacksonVirgo]

Nomal?

[JacksonVirgo]

I dunk sozry wlli pst tomrw

[JacksonVirgo]

Sorry guys, was at a party last night.

[JacksonVirgo]

Let's make a bold assumption that MM is town. Glitch pointing out L-1 is anti-scum - can prevent a mislynch. Perhaps he did it for town creds. But then 3203 destroys the very purpose of his L-1 post.

contradiction

Hence:
town MM => town Glitch.
MM is confirmable, so is Glitch.
Q.E.D.

That's not really a town-tell and missing a L-1 isn't a scum-tell.

[JacksonVirgo]

And Siteflaking semi-cleared them

What?

Siteflake claimed some kind of PR that semi-cleared Glitch.

[JacksonVirgo]

And Siteflaking semi-cleared them

What?

Siteflake claimed some kind of PR that semi-cleared Glitch.

They never said specifics

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh, i misread that. I thought they claimed that "because Glitch siteflaked from the site they're semi-cleared"
Lol i'm stupid and got confused.

Oh lol.

But back to the semi-clear. If Glitch flips wolf, Siteflake (the player ) is almost 100% town. I doubt scum would save their buddy this hard.

[JacksonVirgo]

What are JVs thoughts on NPOM?

I cannot tell if you're asking someone else to ask what my thoughts are or asking me in a weird way.