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hi

yall post too much i aint readin 90 pages

someone give me the cliffs notes

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Why would mafia have a cop?

to find traitor

why are you bringing up a traitor

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kewl

why are we voting someone else do ppl think we really forced out 3 prs on day 1

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so you think there are at least 2 scums and 1 pr? what do you suggest? to elim someone among etine/kitty/t3?

i think mafia usually claims pr when run up so at least 1 is fake

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i like anastasia's posts on the page before this

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so you think there are at least 2 scums and 1 pr? what do you suggest? to elim someone among etine/kitty/t3?

i think mafia usually claims pr when run up so at least 1 is fake

But u advise us to lynch smb of claimers... if there is only 1 scum among three, is it normal idea to guess here??

yeah why wouldn't you

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btw no one answered why kerset was talking about a traitor

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btw no one answered why kerset was talking about a traitor

I kinda answered you, telling you main events of the day
I should be more clear: t3 claimed bulletproof, so windowsxp and others decided that there is good chance that it is a traitor

Xp said "is it a traitor claim?" or smth like that

why talk about traitors in the first place though, no one should be thinking about traitors unless they have to

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Mark, you are the third one asking about this)
Ok smth like this:
1) i wanted to finish day faster; i dont know for sure who is cabd, so i dont care much about him;
2) i wanted to add some pepper, to get more info from other actions, to get some scummy fails, like enchant did, voting on e-1 for his townie
3) in few moments (like in a moment after reaction of std or about that) i was thinking that me voting cabd can prevent some other votes, who dont want to vote in this direction maybe with me or if i just ask to vote smb loud this has opposite effect to others

It should be obvious that it was a fake, especially when i was joking about amount of votes or when i said that we should help Kitty and Anastasia to elim cabd (obviously joke, because they are scums for me), or just because cabd was null for me far away from bottom-scums from my list like kitty encgant and anastasia

"haha i was only kidding"

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btw no one answered why kerset was talking about a traitor

I kinda answered you, telling you main events of the day
I should be more clear: t3 claimed bulletproof, so windowsxp and others decided that there is good chance that it is a traitor

Xp said "is it a traitor claim?" or smth like that

why talk about traitors in the first place though, no one should be thinking about traitors unless they have to

what i mean is bringing it up out of nowhere is sus unless you have actual reason to think there's a traitor in the game

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"haha i was only kidding"

Yeah, adding smiles
And i saved him on e-1 by unvoting
So you think we are partners or am i scum?

hm ok

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samantha, i trust you, should i hammer him?

what about this post then

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yea im new this is my first game

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She is probably the towniest for me and this was my reaction on her post before tgat, that she doent believe this claim,and i was confused too at that moment,because i didnt believe enchant who made e-1, and i was thinking tgat it can be their plan now with cabd,but then i made some analysis about possibility of this plan and i think that more chances tgat they are not together. If samantha insisted on hammering, maybe i would do that at that moment, trusting tgat she knows these people better. But then i got one more idea, that we ve got ne info and we need time to think and discuss,i began asking ppl to unvote

i see

okay that checks out you can be town

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yea im new this is my first game

No you're not the way you are confident about this traitor thing implies you think you have knowlege about forum mafia
Whats your main/site you came from?

ive never played mafia before im new

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good talk

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VOTE: T3

vasex votes are bad

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What happened to the cop claims surviving night 1 so I can actually give you a check?

what happened to hard townreading vasex

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why would you assume a selfvote is a scumclaim

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yall post too much

didnt read anything whats up

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VOTE: bloodhail

thats not very cash money of you

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a wagon of two ppl one of who all their posts are talking about how terrible and bad at the game they are

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damn, trolling, the ultimate scumtell. i wish i had known that before i joined this game but im simply not on your level

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a wagon of two ppl one of who all their posts are talking about how terrible and bad at the game they are

of which I lean town on both. and i just finished a game with anya where she turbo'd scum with me so I have trust there.


how about you stop whining and start playing tho if you're so pressed about being scumread for complaining?

do i look like i care dumbass

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im voting someone i think is scummy and u are desperately fishing for a counterwagon to save them, cheers

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Maybe I am like overthinking this - but like this is my thought process when looking at these claims + votes.

Bloodhail liked her posts about me too...

Thats interesting, that today she said that cabd is more scummy for her than me,but she didnt change the vote, maybe because i said that if he flips town she should be elimed next...

i liked her posts at the time without context but you explained yourself and it made sense to me. dont like her as much after that explanation

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ok i read the pages i missed they were boring

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Bloodhail, vote Enchant, he is a scum
I dont know about Anastasia anymore

i dont see it but ill vote him to end the day

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VOTE: Enchant

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ok i read the pages i missed they were boring

yeah I think this slot should be stuck into the PoE permanently unless they actually decide to play - There's this nagging feeling they're just being a jerk-bag townie who cares not about their wincon and is being lazy but also occams razor eventually kicks in if we dont find all scum with a later PoE and this guy is still around

trolling gets better reactions than trying to be serious

tbh i actually think ur town but wrong and annoying so i dont want to deal w/ u

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on me

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thats right

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whys anya town btw

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scum!Koba played the "I'm not going to interact with you" card on me in Bending to de-legitimise my (correct) push on her D1, so I am wary of it as a scum tactic but we'll see how this plays out.

are you either currently pushing on me or not getting interacted with right now?

I think my play here has vastly departed similarity with that game atp.

It was Vasex that was doing it, I was just using your play in that game as an example

I honestly thought the Enchant self-vote was less bad than the vasex one, coming as it did under less pressure

pretty sure vasex is town guy is obviously passionate about trying to solve the game, i think ur caught up on him acting weird but his explanation for what he did makes sense to me

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think ur just tunneled and scumz tried to take advantage of that to wagon an obvious townie

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i think vasex, windows, cabd, and marky mark are towny so far

in that light enchant/save/anastasia look worse for their votes on both of them

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pretty sure vasex is town guy is obviously passionate about trying to solve the game, i think ur caught up on him acting weird but his explanation for what he did makes sense to me

I mean that was my initial take on the slot, particularly when it was trying to wagon Kitty hard early D1 but the slot has been much more scattergun mid-late d1 and the logical inconsistencies keep popping up

is being scattergun scummy?

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pretty sure vasex is town guy is obviously passionate about trying to solve the game, i think ur caught up on him acting weird but his explanation for what he did makes sense to me

I mean that was my initial take on the slot, particularly when it was trying to wagon Kitty hard early D1 but the slot has been much more scattergun mid-late d1 and the logical inconsistencies keep popping up

is being scattergun scummy?

Clearly its a nuanced area, but pushing at various targets to find a point of least resistance is, yeah.

is that what hes doing or is he all over the place trying to find whos scum and not afraid of making enemies because thats what it looks like to me

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@Bloodhail, see my previous post about the inconsistencies in his positions, eg pushing cabd and yelling for his elim and then retrospectively saying that he didn't want to see cabd elimed. Some of the pushing feels like it is being done in bad faith

i saw that man i thought it looked bad but the way he explained himself from 2313 to 2323 looked believable, the way he reacted didnt feel like scum under pressure, and he really didnt have to unvote when he did if he was scum and i think someone woulda hammered cabd if he didnt

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Like I wouldn't be crying if we limmed Enchant today but I would peg them as null for me personally and I think we can do better

who r yr scumreads outside of vasex

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Like I wouldn't be crying if we limmed Enchant today but I would peg them as null for me personally and I think we can do better

who r yr scumreads outside of vasex

Sidenote - we are getting moderately close to deadline

My POE:
Ideal: Vasex/T3/NDMath
Would take as a compromise Lim: Ana/Bloodhail
Break glass if things are getting really desperate: A50/Cabd

The fakeclaim from T3 didn't sit well with me, I just don't think it makes sense as a town!cop gambit when you consider that the consensus was that Kitty was going to be leashed until D2 and then elimed anyway by that point. I also saw 0 instances of "N1/N2" cop as opposed to X shot cop in the normals archive, which I appreciate is speculation but feels like a potential slip. I was also not a massive fan of some of their votes late D1

As for NDMath, it was their actions and votes not marrying up with their words. I've explained this probably more eloquently in my ISO but for example there is a post where they say they SR two of the key wagons that were going on at the time (was Kitty and one other that escapes my mind atm) but then voted Samantha

i vibe w/ those other 2 more than vasex

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Voting himself looks like scum taunting.

I just want cabd, man

I still won't read before the point where I replaced in, but I'm letting you know I did self-vote (and actually hammer myself) as Town before (out of frustration)

looks like u wont read after that point either

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almost50 is lock mafia btw, just want that on the record

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didnt read anything

we doing T3, cool

VOTE: T3

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i think t3 spewed vasex, etine, kittytacky and enchant as town

i also think andres, marky, and kerset look very good as they were pushing T3 hard.

nero cain was chainsaw defending T3 with his attack on andres, looks horrible

strong town: vasex, andres, marky mark, kittytacky, kerset, etine, enchant
weak town: cabd, rathe
null: dunnstral, NDMath, samantha97
weak scum: windowsxp, anastasia, drippinggoofball
scum: nero cain, save the dragons

VOTE: Nero Cain

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So you don't think T3 is scummy?

not really. You could maybe make the argument that he's going after LHF but...

y is he scummy?

my vote was mostly a joke and slight pressure to get you to explain your T3 vote but hard disagree with ur reasoning.

welp t3 is town

I'm mostly being an ass as I think Koba is pretty inaccurate. Last game I played with them they voted 0 scum on d1 lol. but I was never a fan of the T3 wagon to begin with so...

who else do u think is scum?

I responded to cabd in 63 and he hadn't responded yet. You started pushing t3 in 64 and was then being coy about why you scum read him so I pressure voted you and ever since you've been scum "reading" me.

whats the case on T3?

there's been a decent amount of pressure on T3 all day. IDK if there we any votes on him and the time of his claim but I'm fairly certain he'd had been getting voted.

Like, I agree with u that if t3 is a town bp he's a dunce but my problem is that when I asked what the case on him was you said it was b/c he claimed a role that was common for a scum role which is sorta as a push. You then followed it up by claiming that he's fake claiming bp b/c town wouldn't claim bp and waste thier role wich makes a lil' sense but im not sure why you didn't lead with that and the change in reasoning kinda makes me worry.

Also I don't have to be on a wagon with DGB and Andre!

or we could help DGB bus

funny

my point was that DGB left a viable t3 wagon to vanity vote. From my POV that looks like scum that doesn't want to be on a ml.

dunn, t3, anya are prob voting scum but the chance we swing to an andre lynch is slim to none so join the cabd wagon.

enchant, self voting is dumb. I get it though but its time to move on.

bloodhail, Kerset stop voting town u dummies.

Anastasia prob won't join the cabd wagon b/c vasex is on it but he's not scum.

a50 being useless? no one saw that coming.

im not!

could I be wrong? sure but I feel like STD, math, vasex are all p town. If I'm wrong on any1 its Windows but eh. If my choices are between cabd wagon and t3 then Im not gonna join the wagon with dgb and etine just eww

like seriously holy shit

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i think t3 spewed vasex, etine, kittytacky and enchant as town

i also think andres, marky, and kerset look very good as they were pushing T3 hard.

nero cain was chainsaw defending T3 with his attack on andres, looks horrible

strong town: vasex, andres, marky mark, kittytacky, kerset, etine, enchant
weak town: cabd, rathe
null: dunnstral, NDMath, samantha97
weak scum: windowsxp, anastasia, drippinggoofball
scum: nero cain, save the dragons

VOTE: Nero Cain

From where I'm standing... I know my own alignment, the 2nd and 3rd wagons weren't voting t3, and there were legitimate reasons to leave t3 for another day, but a scum elim still got rammed through.

There was bussing for sure IMO, it's easy to ignore the 'correct argument' if you know you're right and can look good

bussing is possible, there's always at least one but i don't want to think about that now, NKs will usually narrow it down

starting to chop people who were on the wagon would be dumb as fuck

i also think scum really didn't want to lose T3 day 1

like i get what you're saying about kerset but i don't see why he'd commit so much to burying T3

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T3 [11] - Rathe, KittyTacky, Etine, samantha97, DrippingGoofball, Marky Mark, Kerset, Anya, Vasex, bloodhail, Enchant [ELIMINATION]

most of that wagon looks pretty damn townie

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i think t3 spewed vasex, etine, kittytacky and enchant as town

i also think andres, marky, and kerset look very good as they were pushing T3 hard.

nero cain was chainsaw defending T3 with his attack on andres, looks horrible

strong town: vasex, andres, marky mark, kittytacky, kerset, etine, enchant
weak town: cabd, rathe
null: dunnstral, NDMath, samantha97
weak scum: windowsxp, anastasia, drippinggoofball
scum: nero cain, save the dragons

VOTE: Nero Cain

The one thing I love most about this read list is that I'm invisible.

But seriously, can you town case yourself for me before you start giving reads on others? Like, if you said something specifically that contributed directly to the T3 elimination then please quote. All I know is you were late to the party, so to speak.

i forgot to put you there because your content is nonexistant but you're still scum

fuck off i'm not towncasing myself

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do i think i should be cleared off the flip? fuck no

do i give a shit if i am or not? also no

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can you explain why I'm null so I don't just assume you're lazy mafia

you pushed T3 but not strong enough compared to other people for me to clear you for it

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ugh you know what
vote kitty
if kitty isn't scum vote me tomorrow i'm just a 1 shot bulletproof and after everyone RANDOLY scumreading it's not like mafia will ever try to kill me

traitor claim?

The first mention of "traitor" in the game.

Fishing?

Now, read WindowXP's sustained yet oddly understated defense of T3 before the elimination.

i agree xp looks pretty bad but i'm not sure why they would accuse their own mafia cop of being a traitor? like if they are a traitor why do they draw attention to their teammate and make them look suspect with their crumb?

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VOTE: Vasex
First he pushed literally everyone beside T3. Once T3 fate was settled he made 180 and hoped to hide this fact. There was no single wagon that vasex wouldn't join, except for this one which flipped scum.

vasex was literally begging people to vote T3

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VOTE: Vasex
First he pushed literally everyone beside T3. Once T3 fate was settled he made 180 and hoped to hide this fact. There was no single wagon that vasex wouldn't join, except for this one which flipped scum.

I really wouldn't mind a wagon on Vasex. It is part of why I was asking bloodhail to town case himself, because -although bloodhail is my top SR- he cleared most of my "other suspects" including Vasex.

you're scum it doesn't matter what you think

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VOTE: Vasex
First he pushed literally everyone beside T3. Once T3 fate was settled he made 180 and hoped to hide this fact. There was no single wagon that vasex wouldn't join, except for this one which flipped scum.

vasex was literally begging people to vote T3

He was begging people to vote Kitty.

I bet, that T3 is town. It is rather difficult to figure out and this is a risky bet. I read his ISO and the important moments with him. Many times, again and again, there is not so much text.
Or he is too good mafia. Too good for the first elim, i definitely against that. At least I want to play with him more time, to see what he will say after the night, if he will be alive.

That claim... This is another question. There is a possibility that it is true: unchanged willing to elim Kitty... even talking about bp - is to avoid nk maybe, if he is a cop... But like in situation with Etine - I'm not sure about this. I can think, that it can be fake, but not necessary scummy fake... This can be complicated, especially after few other claims.
All claims in this game were weird, but Kitty has the scummiest in my opinion.

So it is better to attack the team of Kitty instead of anything else (if not Kitty).

you realize there were a LOT of posts between then and the end of the day, right?

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let me offer a refresher:

I hard tr Vasex for pushing likely scum fmpov. So unless I've been pocketed I'm not voting this.

VOTE: Vasex

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VOTE: vasex

I hard tr Vasex for pushing likely scum fmpov. So unless I've been pocketed I'm not voting this.

VOTE: Vasex

Its fine T3! Just follow his lead then.

VOTE: Vasex

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VOTE: vasex

UNVOTE: vasex
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T3 can you please articulate the thought process behind you going from Town!Vasex to voting him to unvoting him in such a short window? I just don't see how this makes any sense for you as either alignment

Vasex was a townread.
I see the self vote.
I think it is a scumclaim.
It's not a scumclaim.

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T3 scum

VOTE: T3

Std scum too i think, and he didnt sr t3
Both tred me, std said that we are towns with dgb

T3 is bulletproof scum i think, he doesnt give a shit
Maybe even a traitor who need to show mafia that he is with them

Somebody from kitty/enchant/anastasia/andre are scums still but not all

If t3 is scum there are less chances to find a scum among mark/kers/xp, though at least 1 is possible

Nero hard town, my bet

You are walking dead, T3

I thought vasex claimed scum with the self vote.

No cop would believe that so fast about his hard tr
You are 100% fake cop, lied about hard town

I thought vasex claimed scum with the self vote.

i should be the towniest player with 5 hundred of messages per day.
if people dont believe me (and mathematically there are townies among people who vote me), these people either have some problems with reading the other players because of huge lack of experience maybe, or i was doing smth very wrong (and most of voters are against t3)... and your most strange and rather unexpactable vote to me after hard townreading is a good answer to this question, good clue.
if this is just your stupid mistake for the cop, well you deserve to pay for it. i've never seen a cop who betrays his hard town so fast, unbelievable. they need all possible support, especially in your situation, they should be afraid to elim townie. you lied about smth - about your role, or about townreading me hard. you easy found a reason to vote me, with having some fun, joking and absolutely relaxed about that. i dont believe your reaction in #2375

btw please remind your role, what is it? could you claim that again in loud? you was avoiding this discussion, for example about 2-nights and 2-shots

i could quote a million more posts but i hope i make my point clear

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i agree xp looks pretty bad but i'm not sure why they would accuse their own mafia cop of being a traitor? like if they are a traitor why do they draw attention to their teammate and make them look suspect with their crumb?

Maybe it backfired - they hoped to bring up the topic because they weren't finding a crumb. Then Kerset comes along and explains that the traitor is expected to crumb.

eh maybe

i did find that mention of a traitor sus yesterday but xp looked solvy , i might be putting too much emphasis on that impression

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i could quote a million more posts but i hope i make my point clear

that only at the end of the day was vasex concerned about limming T3?

you mean WHEN IT ACTUALLY COUNTED?

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Vasex pushed really hard for Enchant to be the final wagon of the day.

i think he got fed up with people resisting the T3 vote

but look at T3's vote on vasex and how vasex flipped out on him, try to tell me that's a bus

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dgb is actually kind of towny right now

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I will admit I do find it kind of odd that the Scum didn’t shoot at the 1-Shot Cop. I think I would have strongly considered that. I don’t even think Anya was obvious Town at all.

probably because a 1 shot cop isn't that likely to hit mafia

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I will admit I do find it kind of odd that the Scum didn’t shoot at the 1-Shot Cop. I think I would have strongly considered that. I don’t even think Anya was obvious Town at all.

probably because a 1 shot cop isn't that likely to hit mafia

Not a good argument, because clearing town is also something that scum wants to avoid

a single clear in a large game isnt that powerful, im not that surprised they didnt shoot him tbh

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Do we think miller would exist with only a mafia cop in the game?

possibly a traitor red herring for the mafia cop (and the 1-shot still exists)

marky mark was the pivot vote onto T3 and was scumreading him all day, i dont think hes traitor

if he is then scum probably nightkill him anyway lmfao

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most of my scumreads are trying to push vasex and it makes me want to just bury them right now

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VOTE: T3

This is where I think we need to go now. I'd prefer Vasex or NDMath as the consequences are less bad if I'm wrong in terms of losing a PR, but I still think we have a good chance of hitting scum here and we have the votes to make it work.

T3 [6] - Rathe, KittyTacky, Etine, samantha97, DrippingGoofball, Marky Mark
Cabd [5] - Nero Cain, Save The Dragons, WindowsXP, Vasex, NDMath
Andresvmb [3] - Dunnstral, T3, Anya
Enchant [3] - Enchant, bloodhail, Kerset
Vasex [1] - Anastasia
Nero Cain [1] - Andresvmb
Anastasia [1] - Cabd

Not voting - Almost50

if marky mark were traitor this vote would be a hardcore throw

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STD has made zero impression on me at all.
I'll look at his ISO.

VOTE: T3

This is where I think we need to go now. I'd prefer Vasex or NDMath as the consequences are less bad if I'm wrong in terms of losing a PR, but I still think we have a good chance of hitting scum here and we have the votes to make it work.

T3 [6] - Rathe, KittyTacky, Etine, samantha97, DrippingGoofball, Marky Mark
Cabd [5] - Nero Cain, Save The Dragons, WindowsXP, Vasex, NDMath
Andresvmb [3] - Dunnstral, T3, Anya
Enchant [3] - Enchant, bloodhail, Kerset
Vasex [1] - Anastasia
Nero Cain [1] - Andresvmb
Anastasia [1] - Cabd

Not voting - Almost50

if marky mark were traitor this vote would be a hardcore throw

This makes the assumption that Cabd is town, but sure

well ok if it's s/s that complicates things but i am assuming cabd town based on the reaction to what he thought was hammer and how T3 talked about him

the only way i see that happenening is if cabd is a better mafia role than T3 but if so why would he nope out of the game and claim VT

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I’m not doing shit. If you’re Town all you need to do is read.

Who says I need to read anything when I can sit here and make you do all the work for me?? If not, then I still get the joy of wasting your effort on convincing everyone to yeet me and then I flip Town and you still look bad because you refused to cooperate in the first place.

Let me say it one more bloody time:

I AM NOT READING ANYTHING BEFORE THE POINT WHERE I JOINED THE GAME.

Like, what happened to the good old days when people actually greeted a replace-in, thanked them for replacing into the game, and offered them a helping hand to get the game going? Sheesh!

I really wouldn't mind a wagon on Vasex. It is part of why I was asking bloodhail to town case himself, because -although bloodhail is my top SR- he cleared most of my "other suspects" including Vasex.

this is not a town thought process lmfao

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VOTE: dunnstral

y tho

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But if you really want to find the case against Nero

WHERE did I bloody ask for a case on Nero? I am asking for a TOWN CASE ON BLOODHAIL. Nero is on my TRs list (actually it isn't even that big of a list).

You know what:

Rathe
KittyTacky
samantha97
Marky Mark 

mozamis

DrippingGoofball
Nero Cain 

Flavor Leaf

Cabd

These are the names I have coloured in green in my word file. Everyone else is either black or red, and that's based on posts I've read AFTER I joined the game. Bloodhail was the only slot that was coloured in DARK RED, meaning it's the strongest SR I had, and it was strengthened by how they joined the wagon of flipped Scum T3 late (when it appeared like the only viable option).

So don't give a case on Nero. I don't care for a case on Nero. I won't be voting Nero today. I want a case on bloodhail that could potentially make me not want him yeeted today, and -even less likely- make me consider his reads as serious ones, because -right now- I won't even consider his reads if I was to compromise at any given time.

Thank you very much.

i joined that wagon because i was sheeping vasex and hadn't caught up

did call attention to T3's awful vote on vasex though

you, know, T3, the player you completely ignored yesterday


don't care though because you're obvious scum who's omgusing me to discredit me

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theres no actual solving mindset to this, demanding i prove myself town when i'm scumreading him makes no sense, my goal is finding scum which i'm trying to do based off the flip

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no to just u but bloodhail n almost50 as well

when i replaced in the game was on page 90, i didn't have time to catch up on everything and the day was close to deadline

i thought it better to leave things in the hands of people who had been here longer than me (i sure don't fuck around and troll if my mafia cop teammate is in danger of being eliminated though)


i caught up overnight, skimmed a little but the flip gives a lot to work with

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we will see

i will make myself obvtown soon enough

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vasex puts my lazy prewritten opener to shame and i feel embarrassed

i might have to step things up

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Dunnstral, what are your thoughts on WindowsXP and Kerset as possibly signalling to a traitor?

I just saw this

I think kerset is more likely to be main faction scum than traitor (if they're scum at all) based on the mafia cop stuff, traitor doesn't know their own teams roles
You'll need to explain the WindowsXP stuff again, or h ow that makes them traitor signalling

they were the first person to mention the word "traitor" in the game (you can use the topic search at the top of the page to confirm this)

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Anyway, just vote Nero please.

what do u see from nero

terrible defense of T3, spent most of day 1 tunneling andres who was one of the people pushing the hardest for T3

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terrible defense of T3, spent most of day 1 tunneling andres who was one of the people pushing the hardest for T3

i think windowsxp defense was worse

both are bad, dgb's points on windows are good, would switch to windows in a heartbeat

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VOTE: windowsxp

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Anyway, just vote Nero please.

what do u see from nero

terrible defense of T3, spent most of day 1 tunneling andres who was one of the people pushing the hardest for T3

I was far from the only one that had called t3 town @ some point in time. Itz really ez to call someone scum when you know they are. The idea that the 11 votes on him were all town and all 4 scum were off his wagon is lol. Though I agree with you that lynching off the t3 wagon is a dumb idea.

Also, I spent most of the day tunneling cabd so if you are going to fuss at me at least gets your facts straight.

i'm not clearing everyonne on the wagon but i think it's a higher concentration of scum off wagon than on

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Leash - is ability to force one player to use his ability on other player, right?

it's not an ability, lmao. people were telling kitty who to investigate because they wanted to control who he investigated, because he was under suspicion (i've only skimmed but i think this is accurate, someone correct me if i'm wrong). kitty went along with it because he's an overwhelmed newbie and if people are saying they'll eliminate you unless you check the target they tell you to, you're gonna follow orders

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i hate that i have to even go over this but

KittyTacky pinging me as newbie scum here. Not sure if the current votes are RVS but VOTE: KittyTacky

To see whenever he is self-aware about his situation. I don't find him scummy - he is just awkward.

Not liking how Kitty is overly focused on the Vasex interaction.

Kitty's posts just don't read well. He feels the need to clarify that it will be a mislim if we vote him. That should be obvious if Kitty is town.

VOTE: Kitty

Any person who will put Kitty on E-1 will be confirmed town.

SLIP

PUTTING SOMEONE AT E1 MAKES SOMEONE CONFIRMED TOWN IF THEY ARE SCUM
BUT HOW WOULD YOU KNOW KITTY IS SCUM IF YOU ARE NOT HIS PARTNER

Enchant and Kitty are confirmed scum.

Kitty is getting hammered anyways. And then you tomorrow.

t3 was attacking kitty from his first post of the game and kept coming up with incredibly terrible reasons to scumread him. thats not bussing, thats mafia pushing lhf


also if t3 is a mafia cop, hes not going to counter claim his own teammate on day 1 with his role

kittys just town

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Let's just kill Kitty and find out?
Then we can actually believe in his check.

no that's dumb as fuck

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I think CabD is spewed town, anastasia/Nero/STD/NDmath/A50/Dunn feels like a grouping that has all scum potentially. the only other person i would add there would be Vasex if I absolutely had to based on the rushing nature of their play d1 except when T3 was wagoned. The thing is, Out of the names outside the wagon, I had given concrete reasons about my T3 stance, meaning that I had a genuine thought process about it.


If anyone was bussing on wagon: samantha, Etine, Kerset, Vasex are the pool of 4 ONLY that i would consider there. everyone else is fine.

Explain how these 4 were bus'ing.

lol terrible names on the wagon to shade

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i like how thats like your only response to me considering you're voting me!

that desperate to pretend like i could be scum here?

most of ur posts are garbage why would i bother

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I wanted him to answer, ugh.
And it is still strange.
And i told to a possible cop two things even in that time of elimination of cabd:
1. Be unpredictable
2. Dont listen to windows hp.
And then i asked kitty at least to think about his move at night, and he promised to do it.
I dont see any thought process.
And he just easy listened to windows.
Windows should among susps for kitty after t3 appears to be mafia cop.
But no, kitty play like robot or smth. If he is true at all.
W.t.f.

simple answer: he's a newbie

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drippinggoofball and almost50 are confirmed town click below spoiler for why thanks

what

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he wasn't using it to clear her tho he was just making a useless nitpick because she named the role wrong

i agree dgb's town at this point but not specifically from that post

Samantha, is a50 just genuine in not reading anything properly? Cannot be tactic?

would bank on it tbh

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you'd have to put absolutely no thought into it at all, which itself is unlike a mafia mindset since you're usually hyperaware of things

not for some people

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Elim std , nothing to discuss here
Who agrees to do it?
Who totally disagree and considers std is townie?
Or we can elim windows

ill vote either

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nero and windows scared and bussing each other

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Enchant is lean scum too

wasnt enchant the one who pointed out night night 3/4 cop thing from another game

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we are all human we make mistakes. mistakes are not scummy. it is motivation we seek. we don't need to punish bad play unless its a gross mistake. what T3 did had good intentions. it isn't scummy in any sense.

if they happen to be scum here, cool- but it has nothing to do with how they claimed.

this is a player who is relatively new to forum game culture - how would they know to claim n1/n2 cop?
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I was mafia in game with him and he was 3-4 night Cop in that game.

Now he is 1-2 night cop.

hmmmmmmmm

yeah

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were gonna spend 2 weeks yelling at each other about which obvious scum to kill first

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I dont think that mafia was seeking in her corpse important role. More looks like she could cause troubles.
Anya's msin targets: kitty, anastasia and bloodhail. And also windows in the middle of the game, when she agrees with samantha about windows.

anya wasn't a big voice people were sheeping, why would someone kill her for feeling threatened by her reads? they leave her alive and people continue to not pay attention to her

kill was a pr hunt imo

but obv im biased

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@bloodhail can you vote for Nero please? I have seen Koba [WindowsXP] make mechanically wrong arguments before it doesn’t make them Scum. They’re one of the best at understanding game flow and have an incredible gut for finding Scum to be totally honest. I don’t want them gone, and I don’t trust shit Vasex is saying. Not because I think they’re Scum mind you. They were just wrong yesterday and they’re probably wrong today.

i think theyre both scum and will vote for whoever has the bigger wagon. scuread on windows isnt about it being mechanically wrong its about the random traitor mention and them fishing everywhere for a t3 counterwagon

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Ok now why windows is town:
Look at your previous game and check which one is typical scum behavior

A

Scum first accuse their partners and then back off once wagon on them gets serious.

B

Scum first defend their partners and then hop in once wagon on them gets serious.

Observe your previous games and you will see that B is the common case.

Also look at windows arguments, I didn't agree with them but they were reasonable. You can even see that the previous site thing was real.

early distancing is super common

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Blood you won't get a trophy for disagreeing with me. You biased yourself against me, after earlier disagreement.

i dont even scumead u i just think ur giving people town points for defending flipped mafia which is a major fallacy

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Blood you won't get a trophy for disagreeing with me. You biased yourself against me, after earlier disagreement.

i dont even scumead u i just think ur giving people town points for defending flipped mafia which is a major fallacy

I know that you don't scumread me but you don't accept my solves and i think that you deny them automatically, because you dislike me personally.

why would u assume i have anything against u

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Ok this one is for people townreading STD
Look at those

Spoiler: STD about T3 and Kitty

how i feel about kitty

a play in three acts

By the way this is my first large. It's more than twice as big as a newbie and almost twice than a mini so I'm nervous.

i feel scum!kitty says this in their scum PT only.

In our previous game he has the list of scummies rather early. Is he seeking them now? I dont think so

i feel like expecting someone to solve a large game so early is a bit much to ask.

intermission please buy some damn popcorn it keeps the theatre alive

(My underlines below)

In fact this weird pushing makes me think you are scum

trying to mislynch me.

This feels awkward and over-thought. If they are scum and they are pushing you then it is inherently implicit that they are trying to miselim you. The quoted sentence reads much more naturally without the underlined bit.

Good point but explain how that is alignment-indicative.

i feel like this is just potential newbiebait rather than scumbait

*bows*

encore
i feel that vasex does get some townie cred for recent posts but his interaction with kitty is still giving me some heebie jeebies

OMG I HAVE A CAKE NEXT TO MY NAME

WORSHIP ME

by unvoting kitty and going after the real scum here, Cabd

Did you miss the part when Enchant scumslipped?

yes i don't get it

but i read his post as not particularly serious

do you think PR doesn't explain the differences in kitty's play between what you've seen before and this game?

who is not voting kitty today go back to newbie games

sick burn

im not sure how i feel about enchant but so far i dislike every case against them

they didn't scumslip and they weren't the first to talk about T3 being a traitor

if anything i'm more suspicious of T3 but i think i need to reread a bit

DGB why are you voting kitty

And tell me that this is a POV of an

active

player (not lurker), who has no idea what are the alignments of Kitty and T3. This all that he said/asked about those. Simultaneously he was pushing cabd this entire time and retained some curiosity about enchant.

He completely didn't care about alignment of the most controversial players of this game, especially T3. This is not how town player should look like. Even if you happen to be tunneled, you are still curious about things around you unless you are informed.

i agree with this and its why i had him as a scumread

see, i dont hate u

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VOTE: save the dragons

this game is hell

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this game is hell

we have a perfect record so far

why sad

b/c people are galaxy braining themselves into defending scum

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Explain how I know better

You know me well enough and have played me most recently (from newer to older: Open 807, TM2021 Large Normal, Tenet, Open 792, Open 789, Mini 2087)

ALL OF WHICH IN THE LAST 12 MONTHS

OK... and what is your point? I still think your predecessor softed traitor

This post ALONE is a Scum claim to me. You said >I< (A50) needed to go, commenting on a post I was directing at Nero. I explained you have enough

recent

experience with me, and you brush that off and revert to a read on my predecessor. You KNOW this is my TOWN play, and you can't argue against that, so you are finding a way to keep me in the lim PoE because you really need some mis-yeets to try and win here.

I'm "Dunn" talking to you. My vote is locked.

scummy defense

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Btw Andre is 100% confirmed scum.
He broke under pressure like scum.
And he said that he has such a problem when he is a scum.
With promising to read, promising to be in game, and absense, absense

town can fall behind too this isnt a good case

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{DGB, Kitty}
{vasex, XP, kerset, Marky, Math}
{Etine, Rath}

Not willing to touch any of those piles at least for a few days after a re-read of the game events.

why math

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id yell about windows but no one is listening

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i dont like the dunnstral wagon

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T3 is the most blatant Scum in the game. Okay I haven’t read everything so I need to go look at the claim and how it went down, but they’re absurdly Scummy.

They fake claim 1-Shot Bulletproof to try and save themselves, and then they come back with a stronger Claim (and when have you ever seen a Cop that is a Night 1 and Night 2 use only, as if anybody would ever wait to use the slot into future nights like what), and they’re alive?!

if you didnt read properly why smb need to believe in your propaganda? are u so good in reading t3? is it possible that a cop claims bp not to die at night?

Propaganda?!

T3 is like OBVIOUS Scum. In fact, it’s so obvious it’s completely painful to me.

andre, maybe because he said he is going to check you?)

This is like so bad.

You think I’m afraid of getting checked here? Please.

i dont think andres plan as scum is lurk most of the day then come back and do nothing but bus and i think vasex is underrating how much he pushed t3

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vasex is clearly just tunneled from d1

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iso skimmed people over the night


i think t3 spewed vasex, etine, kittytacky and enchant as town

i also think andres, marky, and kerset look very good as they were pushing T3 hard.

nero cain was chainsaw defending T3 with his attack on andres, looks horrible

strong town: vasex, andres, marky mark, kittytacky, kerset, etine, enchant
weak town: cabd, rathe
null: dunnstral, NDMath, samantha97
weak scum: windowsxp, anastasia, drippinggoofball
scum: nero cain, save the dragons

VOTE: Nero Cain

From where I'm standing... I know my own alignment, the 2nd and 3rd wagons weren't voting t3, and there were legitimate reasons to leave t3 for another day, but a scum elim still got rammed through.

There was bussing for sure IMO, it's easy to ignore the 'correct argument' if you know you're right and can look good

lolololololol

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andres and almost50 are spewed town from dunns iso imo

if he was pushing stuff in the hood someone should out that imo

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dunn kept trying to frame a50 as traitor

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VOTE: nero cain

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Who was all suspicious of whoever brought up the idea of a Traitor to begin with?

i thought windows bringing it up out of nowhere was sus but dunns reaction is prob clearing

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quick to come to their defense aren't you

VOTE: T3

i have a mechanics question for you: how many wolves are usually in a neighbourhood of 4?

lmap what the fuck i remembered someone mentioned a neighborhood early and went to look it up

is this why anya was killed?

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Now, the one mechanical flaw in this is KittyTacky, who could theoretically still be Scum. So that’s the only one I would think about. Somebody might want to re-read there and figure out if it’s even worth considering but we’ve got enough good targets today, it’s probably not urgent.

doesnt seem likely based on dunns iso

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my list of execution is in Cabd bloodhail WindowsXP n Anastasia everyone else is town for me

i think only windows is a likely hit there

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Who was all suspicious of whoever brought up the idea of a Traitor to begin with?

i thought windows bringing it up out of nowhere was sus but dunns reaction is prob clearing

Dunnstral, what are your thoughts on WindowsXP and Kerset as possibly signalling to a traitor?

I just saw this

I think kerset is more likely to be main faction scum than traitor (if they're scum at all) based on the mafia cop stuff, traitor doesn't know their own teams roles
You'll need to explain the WindowsXP stuff again, or h ow that makes them traitor signalling

nvm, went back and found this

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VOTE: windowsxp

finally we see the light

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I’ll say that if XP flips Scum, I think Nero is Town.

why

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I’ll say that if XP flips Scum, I think Nero is Town.

why

I think their interactions around how XP starts saying that Nero is trying to tie themselves to them at the beginning of D2 were a bit funky, and they were going at each other.

honestly thought it looked like theater

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Ok now why windows is town:
Look at your previous game and check which one is typical scum behavior

A

Scum first accuse their partners and then back off once wagon on them gets serious.

B

Scum first defend their partners and then hop in once wagon on them gets serious.

Observe your previous games and you will see that B is the common case.

Also look at windows arguments, I didn't agree with them but they were reasonable. You can even see that the previous site thing was real.

I’m not the only one doing it. And Kerset has a solid point here.

Kerset also defended XP though. I don’t know man.

kerset was probably killed by etine dude

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quick to come to their defense aren't you

VOTE: T3

i have a mechanics question for you: how many wolves are usually in a

neighbourhood of 4

?

?

anya didnt flip neighbor dude

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do u have a point

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only ppl who havent posted today are ndmath and enchant, wait for them to post to see if either claims the hood

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what caused u to change ur mind

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his early interactions with T3

i agree tbh but didnt have a good way to say it

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like i saw it but didnt feel i could explain it in a way thatd make sense to most ppl

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yea i dont think you call out a partner and leave it hanging in the air like that itd be more coached

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why would they hammer one of their own

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i was just making a snippy joke about windows being maf

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I was hoping I had targeted a VT N1 that I trusted so that it could verify my claim but I guess I failed at that.

Anyway, I don’t know who hasn’t claimed yet. I guess NDMath?

i have a feeling his claim will be boring

the following people have not claimed:
almost50
anastasia
enchant
vasex
bloodhail
windowsxp


drippinggoofball
nero cain

(the last 2 are cop/gunsmith cleared and dont need to claim)

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However, now we have a problem. A 1-Shot Cop, a Simple Fruit Vendor, an Odd-Night Gunsmith, and a 3-Shot Vigilante?

?

whats the problem

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However, now we have a problem. A 1-Shot Cop, a Simple Fruit Vendor, an Odd-Night Gunsmith, and a 3-Shot Vigilante?

?

whats the problem

It seems a bit overpowered but maybe not. Against a Team of 4 Scum and a Traitor Neighbor, with a Mafia Cop?

i guess if you factor in the universal backup maybe but eh, both investigatives are gated + mafia might have other PRs

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tbh most times i would be going :hmm: at a fv claim with 0 verifiable results but i townread andres on play

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So what, {Cabd, Anastasia, XP}? Or something? Maybe bloodhail?

i think so unless one of the townreads r rly outplaying everyone

what about enchant


i townread him off the T3 stuff but just looked at him and noticed hes been doing fuckall

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you dont need to freak out

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So what, {Cabd, Anastasia, XP}? Or something? Maybe bloodhail?

i think so unless one of the townreads r rly outplaying everyone

what about enchant


i townread him off the T3 stuff but just looked at him and noticed hes been doing fuckall

i know this is weird but im locktowning blood based on this post bc its a sentiment i share from my perspective. (well not purely based on this post but this post locks it in)

please stop trying to tie yourself to me

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windows is antispewing

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i have the shittiest role imaginable

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i have the shittiest role imaginable

Let me guess: You are obligated to play the game without an avi, and if you upload one at any time you get mod-killed.

no, worse

even night vanilla cop lmao

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ndmath is vanilla btw

had kinda wanted to wait for him to post to see if id catch him in a lie but no point now

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thats why i made that comment about andres claim because it seems redundant with my role

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dont actually understand what the hold up is

ana unvoted though so its E-2

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his early interactions with T3 don't feel S/S

the ones where he pushed t3 for his reasoning on kitty? how is that impossible as S/S?

its not impossible i just dont think hed go about it that way

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nah its still E-1, ana unvoted

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feeling like my reads probably suck

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The person I sent fruit to should claim it. They claimed VT yesterday so it shouldn’t be all that hard.

hey whyd you target rathe n1

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ok

why send fruit to rathe (unknown) and etine (claimed pr) over either of the two players who claimed VT on day 1

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ok

why send fruit to rathe (unknown) and etine (claimed pr) over either of the two players who claimed VT on day 1

You wanted me to send fruit to STD? Really?

im talking about cabd and enchant (i dont think save the dragons claimed)

like those seem like ideal targets because a claimed vt is never gonna die

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testing a vanilla claim seems straightforwardly the best use of the role and yr rationale seems highly questionable

like testing etine only works if etine is exactly a mafia goon, but hypothetically etine could be a mafia PR who wouldn't receive the fruit either

id figure if i had that role id want to target someone who might actually confirm me as FV

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i mean Sams voting cabd whom I think should prob be the days lynch but ok...

Indeed she is, Furthermore Cabd is in my own PoE, so no problem there. It is still too early for me to decide to switch to sheep-mode though with more than 13 days left in the day, so I'm in no hurry.

whys cabd in your poe

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whys cabd in your poe

You mean; other than the scummiest voting record of all?? And the total lack of impact/presence? Sure. Both his read lists look like ones I would have posted as Scum. (409 & 1537)

wouldnt you feel like hed have more presence as scum

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I don't see andres + bloodhail coexisting as town with their roles,

thats what i came around to and i dont like his claimed targets

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if were gonna vote cabd i want him to at least have a chance to post first

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if thats all hes gonna offer i cant defend that

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the people voting cabd are townier - dgb/nero/kitty are all basically conftown and samantha and a50 are very likely town

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Who has claimed vanilla cop? I'm wading back through the game trying to find it

i did

im even night and my only result is on ndmath confirming hes vanilla, so if hes mafia hes exactly a mafia goon

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been saying i dont think both our roles exist and both his claimed targets were bad

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VOTE: andresvmb

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w/e

from my pov it's like this:

{dgb, nero, kitty} are all conf town
{samantha, almost 50} are very likely town
{vasex, marky mark} are townreads

leaves a POE of {cabd, enchant, anastasia, ndmath, andres}

i think andres role ccs mine
ndmath i know is vanilla
cabd is offering basically nothing

VOTE: cabd

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good going everyone great job voting against the wagon with all the conftown on it

cabd is not vanilla

VOTE: cabd

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n2 was ndmath is vanilla

youre on your own

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remember to get andres tomorrow

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bloodhail, why did you check cabd? not anyone else..

resistance to him being wagoned despite the fact no one really townread him

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didnt expect to get an actual guilty tbh but my role sucks not a lot of good choices

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And please make a night faster, what are you doing 48 hours? 1 minute for decisions is enough

dont think wed have the option or id vote for it

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theres no way andres is town with all the other power roles

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idk man who am i supposed to check

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dgb was clear and i wasnt, probably thought ppl would still vote me since i was in rathes poe

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or maybe it was rolecopped

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VOTE: bloodhail

This is Scum. And if we don’t kill them, then PLEASE execute me so I can get out of this game.

lol

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Anyway, bloodhail is CLEAR Scum. If you all want to execute Cabd and continue to dig an even deeper hole in this damn game, by all means.

im clear scum because....

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k im off break soon and dont want this to be accidentally hammered

UNVOTE:

i retract my report on cabd, i was reaction testing

my actual report is that vasex is vanilla, but thats useless so i wanted to test cabd since people were likely going to want to vote him today. i doubted my read on him yesterday but after a reread during the night i still think he seems town

i think he had a towny reaction here and dont want to elim him

andres acted VERY awkwardly in response to me which suggests he knows i was fake guiltying a townie as well, he cant even make a real argument here because he had no idea how to respond to what was going on

VOTE: andresvmb

right now my top suspects are andres/anastasia/enchant




as for why i checked vasex: hes not in my POE but i didnt want to possibly be wrong on him, so if he was mafia PR hiding as a VT i would catch him. i would never check in my scum reads because they could easily be mafia goons so checking them is useless

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Ah so now I knew you were fake testing a Town? Yeah, sure.

yeah

Ok, Enchant, maybe you are townie. Who is mafia?
Ana? Mark? Andre? Sam? Me?

Possible Andre, because as i said, two vanilla cops is something oof. If Blood is right one, then Andre is probably not.

How about you get your head out of your ass?

I am a bit tired of entertaining complete nonsense from some of you. Why don’t we do exactly what the wagon that’s been executing Town left and right wants to do?

How many more Town need to get executed before the bunch of you stop being so utterly incompetent?

VOTE: bloodhail

This is Scum. And if we don’t kill them, then PLEASE execute me so I can get out of this game.

you barely even addressed it and it took you FOREVER to say anything about it or have an argument against me because you didnt know wtf to say

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also i obviously never retract as mafia in a million years here when everyone was scumreading cabd

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as for why i checked vasex: hes not in my POE but i didnt want to possibly be wrong on him, so if he was mafia PR hiding as a VT i would catch him. i would never check in my scum reads because they could easily be mafia goons so checking them is useless

this is even more stupid check than to check cabd
i was town for you
omg
very weird

vasex

who am i supposed to check in your opinion

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Harm reduction in the form of a Vasex execution is something I’m totally down for. I almost don’t want to phrase it this way but it’s the truth.

lol cmon try and tell me this is town

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Ana? Enchant? And if you are checking your townies - why not Mark?

theres no reason to check someone in my POE, my results cant clear anyone, id rather just vote them.

i went with you because in the event i was wrong on you i wasnt gonna catch it through dayplay, that simple.

i literally didnt think of checking marky, that would have been a better idea probably, i was stuck on wanting to check a vanilla claim, i wish id thought of that

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bloodhail, tell me, what did you think about kitty's and t3's claims? why kitty was so towny for you? you are a cop, there are two other cops, is it ok for you?

so you think there are at least 2 scums and 1 pr? what do you suggest? to elim someone among etine/kitty/t3?

i think mafia usually claims pr when run up so at least 1 is fake

i didnt exactly want to scream it from the hills but this was a pretty obvious softclaim in that i didnt think all the cop claims were real because of my role

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Neroooo, what do you think?))_

yelling my name doesn't get me to a computer faster.

I didn't think it made sense for Blood to claim guilty. I think the

teehee it was a reaction test

is something that comes from dumb town alot but I think its a good cover as scum and I'm not sure why he'd retract his claim on cabd only to get himself lynched b/c thats effectively what he's doing by going after Andre. Even if he were scum that faked a guilty on cabd he could still get the cabd lynch today and given himself an extra night to live so...I'm just kinda confused as to what his goal is.

I think/thought the "only one of blood/andre can be town" is false but Blood is claiming guilty on him so I guess that was a reality after all. So I think it makes plenty of sense to resolve this today but I still think cabd is scum so eh...

i dont have a guilty on andres i just dont think hes town because of his claim + reaction to my fake guilty + trying to get vasex voted for bad reasons

[bloodhail]

Sam, what do you think about Ana?

I think it's bloodhail/andres + cabd + ana/you

we have 11 alive 9 tomorrow 7 the next day (lylo)

we we need to get the first pair gone before our numbers can't support failure

ya the flip should always be me or andres

[bloodhail]

cabd between andres/bloodhail which is more likely mafia

Blood, because they only retracted the fake guilty when it seemed like momentum was turning?

Eliminating town that isn't me today is a losing proposition, though.

there were 4 votes on you and 2 on me i literally never retract here

[bloodhail]

*i literally never retract as mafia

[bloodhail]

why dont you check kitty

why would i

[bloodhail]

Sam, what do you think about Ana?

I think it's bloodhail/andres + cabd + ana/you

we have 11 alive 9 tomorrow 7 the next day (lylo)

we we need to get the first pair gone before our numbers can't support failure

ya the flip should always be me or andres

if you're both town we just lose the game though

i dont think we both are

[bloodhail]

if Blood is scum then he and his team are either very dumb or trying to pretend like it.

cabd was like a slam dunk today and all Blood is doing is getting himself lynched. I mean, if scum were really scared of a 1v1 between him and andre, and for the sake of the argument we'll assume cabd is town, cabd gets lynched today making it 5v3 tomorrow. Even if scum shoot Andre tonight and we lynch Blood the next day its then a 4v2 day 6.

As opposed to getting blood spilled today and going into a 2v7 d5. Even if they get a cabd lynch tomorrow its still a 2v5 d6 so scum either really fucked up or town caught a lucky break wich is about the same thing, ig.

or...im just town

[bloodhail]

I think the reaction test feels townie.

If he admits to be me then it's definitely town indictive.

pros: i get townread

cons: i get banned


gonna need some time to think this one over

[bloodhail]

Cabd seems like the sort of player to appeal to emotion. I don't buy that selfvote.

VOTE: Cabd

no, stop

[bloodhail]

even though the list for andres is more damning and I agree with enchant that it would be a 2-for-1 with kitty... rereading some of day 1 I just have to

what

[bloodhail]

wheres mark

[bloodhail]

Andres, you think Blood and Kitty town?

why are you talking about kitty

[bloodhail]

He sred Nero, he sred me. I dont think that elimination of Ndmath and your checks change a lot in his pov. More chances he will vote Blood woth you.

This is gibberish to me. Unless you can get in Mark’s head, I’m curious as to when they would have started SR’ing me at all. Since they’ve only expressed TRs of my slot.

hes saying the opposite

[bloodhail]

lmao

[bloodhail]

Im looking at fresh iso of bloodhail - his last messages - it is easy can be shadow-throwing on me and cabd in case of his death like a scum.

dude what are you even saying

[bloodhail]

And also anya, rathe, dgb were sred bloodhail as well as anastasia.
Her talking with Andre has two aims: to ask him to elim vasex instead of bloodhail.

dgb scumread me on day 1 because i replaced someone who wasnt doing anything, she barely mentioned me at all recently

what are you even doing

[bloodhail]

I remember clearly how anya and dgb tried to elim you instead of our wagon to enchant. Now they both are dead.

dgb last expressed a scumread of me on day 1 (because i was trolling)

you are distorting reality

[bloodhail]

reaction to my fake guilty

his reaction is literally the same thing as cabds reaction. I know in theme games there can be duplicate roles and I thought I saw plenty of duplicate roles in the archive that Kerset linked but your andre logic kinda sucks bro.

idk how you dont see it, hes just playing reactively and attacking people for being wrong, not trying to solve

what are yr other reads right now

[bloodhail]

Im looking at fresh iso of bloodhail - his last messages - it is easy can be shadow-throwing on me and cabd in case of his death like a scum.

dude what are you even saying

vasex are you ever gonna explain what this is supposed to mean

[bloodhail]

So the scum should be preparing smth in case he flips red.
Your last messages about me and about cabd are more suspicious from this pov

what did i say about you that fits this description?

if cabd was town and i was mafia i just wouldnt retract my report on him