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Okay, first-off, before I post anything significant, I just wanted to apologize for the lack of dcorbe/Blcknight this entire game. I was surprised at how long dcorbe went before we was replaced, because he only said one thing..really, pass the random stage, and that had nothing to do with the topic on-hand. (I believe it was the fl/killa7 debate). Blcknight then joined the game, didn't really say anything, before he disappeared for good. But I will not disappear. I was hesistant to join the game, because it was already 30-ish pages in already, but I thought I could read the whole thing in one night. Guess I under-estimated you guys, and this was a monster. Lots of PBPA and things to wade through.
Reading the thread, obviously I noticed that killa 7 has been really scummy. With 6 votes on him now, he HAS started...expanding his posts a bit, and posting a bit more. I'd still like to hear from him (content-wise, not just one-liners) before I do vote him, because I do see him as scum at this point, based on everything I read. His newer posts make me feel less confident. His posts have been, for the most part, anti-town though.LlamaFluff wrote:I think this is L-2. No one should hammer him before OP is caught up with his read. I also still think Corin and Manito should go, that last vote from Corin was really ugly looking, I think its the second time he has mentioned K7 the enitre game.-
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I'm not really buying the "meta" reasoning. If killa 7 is scummy, he's scummy. His actions and words have been consistently anti-town, and he wasn't really the driving force behind it, but he definitely sprung off the forbiddan mislynch. Based on others observations of him, and my own, I'm willing tovote: killa 7.-
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Best wagon = the wagon finding scum? Or did you mean the biggest wagon? Yeah, that post just makes me even more confident in my vote. If I wanted to avoid conflict, I would just simply lurk until the day was over, or I would jump on a smaller wagon.killa seven wrote:
great the new guy joinedorangepenguin wrote:I'm not really buying the "meta" reasoning. If killa 7 is scummy, he's scummy. His actions and words have been consistently anti-town, and he wasn't really the driving force behind it, but he definitely sprung off the forbiddan mislynch. Based on others observations of him, and my own, I'm willing tovote: killa 7.the best wagonto avoid conflict
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Current list stands at
The List wrote: armlx -> Firestarter, CF Riot, K7
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LaptopGun -> armlx, Corin, Joubert/KoC
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Yeah, I was worried that it might not be clear to others.
killa seven's playstyle, I think we all can agree, has been anti-town. I think Corinthian has done some pro-town posts though, but I feel that he is the better choice as scum, because he has acted scummy, and there has been good arguments against him, which I feel make sense. But I guess what I'm trying to say is that I don't know where to draw the line between killa 7 being anti-town and scum. Not to beat a dead horse, but maybe it is his meta. I think Llama has built a pretty strong case against Corin.-
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I didn't really like the comments early on in Day 1.5 from FL how she was gonna hammer anyways. If she really thought that fl was town, she wouldn't have even considering hammered (which she didn't) and before, she said she barely voted. Right at the beginning of that day, she goes ahead, and votes. The whole banter between Manito and her just seemed odd and pointless at the time, but I just had scum vibes from her during my initial reading, but I didn't really mention it, because vibes don't really mean a thing in mafia, and discussion regarding her was pretty much forgotten (I don't like how the case against her dropped) and the over-defending of her by others, not even her. I don't really have a strong case at the moment, and I am not going to pretend I do right now, but, if I had to vote for someone, right now, based on everything, I'd vote her or k7. I'd jump back on killa 7, but, the cases have been presented against him countless times, and it's not going anywhere.Vote: FaerieLord-
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Oh. Well, some people (not me) have said in other games (maybe this game?) that going by your gut alone is scummy, and so I figured vibes and guts are basically the same thing. But I guess you have a point (and so does the person who quoted this portion and responded to you).FaerieLord wrote: Yes they do. Vibes start cases
If I wanted to jump on the easy wagon, I'd just go ahead and vote for killah seven. From the looks of the past day, the wagon against you didn't really go anywhere, unlike the killa and Corin wagons, which were 'easy wagons' if you want to get technical. (I voted for both of them, FYI)FaerieLord wrote: I mean sure, go ahead and jump on an easy wagon saying you've had those suspicions all along, if you want to-
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I doubt a new PBPA of killa 7 would be much different from the ones we've seen already in the past, minus the newer posts. Perhaps he wants to see more from KOC and judge him base on the case he presents? (looks like he voted after this comment though)TheSweatpantsNinja wrote:I'm confused as to the lack of an SC wagon. He's clearly waiting to be told whether he should be following a K7 wagon or a KOC wagon. What would a PBPA against k7 possibly hope to accomplish?-
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But unlike FS, KoC was on my list of suspicion when you asked a few pages back. I had FL/Koc, I believe, on there. ;)I think KoC is scummy too. Sorry if I appear to be ignoring him.LlamaFluff wrote:
On the other hand, KoC is far scummier then either of those two players, yet people continue to ignore him.orangepenguin wrote:I think FS is more scummy than FL at the moment. The case against her isn't going anywhere, so I am not even going to bother to press it for now. Maybe at someother point.-
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So, are you subtlely hinting that I am his buddy or something?killa seven wrote:
Only his buddies are ignoring him.LlamaFluff wrote:
On the other hand, KoC is far scummier then either of those two players, yet people continue to ignore him.orangepenguin wrote:I think FS is more scummy than FL at the moment. The case against her isn't going anywhere, so I am not even going to bother to press it for now. Maybe at someother point.-
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Fine.LlamaFluff wrote:
So why arent you voting? It seems like you have two high ranking suspects.orangepenguin wrote:
But unlike FS, KoC was on my list of suspicion when you asked a few pages back. I had FL/Koc, I believe, on there. ;)I think KoC is scummy too. Sorry if I appear to be ignoring him.LlamaFluff wrote:
On the other hand, KoC is far scummier then either of those two players, yet people continue to ignore him.orangepenguin wrote:I think FS is more scummy than FL at the moment. The case against her isn't going anywhere, so I am not even going to bother to press it for now. Maybe at someother point.Vote: Knight of Cydonia.
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I wasn't really buddying up with him. I just don't really see the case on SC, and if you played with him before, you'll see what I mean. Then again, it's been pages since the case on him appeared, so I probably forgot some details of it. But I think KoC or FS are the best choices for today. Or perhaps K7, but that's going nowhere.CF Riot wrote:
I hardly notice him in this game. Before I scrolled up I couldn't even remember who he was voting for. His last post makes him seem sort of buddy-buddy with SC.LlamaFluff wrote:@CFR - Out of curiosity, what are your views on OP?-
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Oh, that really bugged me when I replaced into the game. Everyone kept calling FL "he' when I could see that her icon was pink, so I never understood why, until now. She must've changed it to female by the time I replaced into this. Sorry for the continued non-game-related post, but yeah, I had to get that out there.-
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I have a question:
IF FS is scum, who is there partner? Same for KoC? Because if people are voting for somebody who could be a likely partner, they could probably switch to the wagon, and lynch the scum with the most votes. I personally don't think it's LIKELY that BOTH FS and KOC is scum though, not saying they aren't partners, but with 13 alive.-
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Both COULD be scum. It's possible. But with 11 other players, 1 other being scum, leaving 10 townies. The odds that we have found both of the scum Day 2 seem to be against them (Day 3-ish, if it were a normal game). I'm not ruling them out, but I think it's more likely that there is scum elsewhere, and it's likely that somebody is already voting them too. But I do think KoC is scum, and FS is scummy, so perhaps they both are scum?
If both of them are scum, then who would their third partner be? K7? Or somebody pro-town-ish that has been playing a good game and bussed somewhere along the lines? I am thinking too much, I know.-
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Ah, thanks for the responses. I guess you're right. I was just saying, instead of having everyone split of into a bunch of different people, they could compensate, and vote for a possible partner, which I guess doesn't work until you know for sure whether the person is scummy, which defeats the purpose of votiing for the possible partner. But I guess it does work (my thought) ideally in a polygamist setup, not so much here.-
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Wait - so I'm FS's partner because I was voting for KOC before it became popular (unless 3 votes is "popular") and then decided to get all analytical and ask people some question and therefore caused everyone to jump on Koc, Ignore FS, and lynch him. I guess I made you hammer too. I was hardly a deflection, if anything. I think most people ignore my posts, since they offer little to no content most of the time. If people are being "deflected" that's scummyness on their part, not mine, for just tunnel-vision onto one person.
Before FS's vote before, I don't think Spyrex has had any votes on him, let alone any suspicion. (correct me if I am wrong, I am going off of memory). He is one of the few original non-replaced players and has since posted enough to "help out" but not enough to be considered active, like armlx or LF have been. I don't like how he hammered after voting FS, and then turn around and blame others for the mislynch. I think he is right though. There is scum on the wagon. It's him. (and the me/fs partnership seriously comes out of left field).
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Mine was a bit omgus, but I thought FS was onto something. I did notice, before your post saying we were partners and the 2.5 started, that this entire game, you have gone under the radar, so I wanted to look at you. I still think Killa seven is scummy and he has continued to keep going away and popping up when he's the subject of attention, basically active lurking and being scummy the entire game.vote: k7.-
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I didn't provide reasons after the vote (I don't think?) but I did cite my suspicions the previous day. I still don't know how I am Firestarter's partner. Assuming he is scum, which I wouldn't doubt, but right now, I feel more comfortable with a k7 lynch. I don't see any case on SC and I said that. If me saying so makes me a partner because I am not going to follow every popular wagon, than whatever. I think a armlx/Spyrex scum team is more likely than a me/Sc wagon, but I'd rather no go into that, because than arm will jump on me too, even though I see more buddying from you guys than with me and your other two suspects, Spy.
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Also, you hammering a mislynch of a scummy player isn't the scummy part. It's just the fact that you think such an obvious scummy move would mean you couldn't possibly town, and now you're trying to act like you're confirmed. Which I don't really buy. Obviously, the only person other than myself that think it's possible you're scum is one of the most scummiest players in the game, so I am not going to even explore that wagon anymore, especially since it looks like my whole reasoning was OMGUS, when it wasn't.-
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Let's "win the game" then.unvote,vote: firestarter. I'm not good at building cases. I'm not going to try to be. If Firestarter is going to be the scummy player lynched today, then I am going to vote him. If this turns out to be another mislynch, I'm done listening to the majority. I'm just going to go by my gut in that case, and THEN, and only then, will I bother to make a case. I'm not going to go through a million pages to present a case only maybe 3 or 4 people will read, most of them disagreeing with it, and voting me because of it.
And yes, I am vote hopping, if you want to call it that. Add that to your list. And since I'm FS's supposed partner (how?), I guess I am "bussing" too.-
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LlamaFluff COULD be scum, since, well, he replaced Gimbo of all people. LOL. Just because I noticed this, I don't think The Sweatpants Ninja has even had a vote all game. He's not really anti-town, but he's not active enough to be so pro-town that he's one of the only ones, besides probably Spyrex (who just got some votes) who never was voted. There always seem to be at least one scum who slides through and is never noticed by the town.
But more likely, the scummy people are scum. Since there is no power roles, anyone could be scum. It's even possible that Spy/FS are just scum who are bussing eachother now. Not likely, I know, but anything is possible.
Nine alive are town, three are scum. 1/3 are scum. So.. I think, in the case that we mislynch 1 more time, we should re-evaluate everything after FS's inevitable lynch, see if we find anything new, and go from there. If we don't mislynch, than no, less keep what we're doing.-
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So CF Riot is the only person ever voting you or something?Firestarter wrote:
You might actually be onto something there armlx...armlx wrote:
Your scum buddies don't join.Why, in your opinion do the lynches fail?
All you need to do now is narrow down who didn't vote for me at the time of both other lynches...
Tell ya what, Ill do it for ya..
Players NOT voting Firestarter before KoC lynch.... Im excluding the dead townies here...
FaerieLord
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Players NOT voting Firestarter before Corinthian lynch.. again excluding dead townie..
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Players who failed to vote FOR Firestarter before both lynches of a townie occured...
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Ok armlx... wheres my scumbuddy/ies?
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Er..yeah, I know. I was just pointing out something. Don't really get the relevence of those list of people though if you weren't even lynched. Like spyrex said "vote counts don't matter if you weren't lynch" or something along those lines.Firestarter wrote:@ OP..
That post was aimed at armlx.
I have no idea what he was getting at when he posted the quote I included in that post I made..
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[confirm]Vote: Firestarter
Thank you SpyreX for spelling it all out for us. You are our hero and we will give you dozens of fair maidens and have a holiday in your name.
Can't wait to see how you will possibly, beside me voting you when FS was the only other person, how you will link me with FS. I assume that part will come tomorrow? Besides FaerieLord, you still think me and SC are his partners? I guess it's possible for SC to be a scum partner, and if there was a case on him, I'd be willing to vote for him, but I don't see how he is linked to FS or me (besides me saying I don't think he's scummy because he played like this in another game (where he is confirmed town, btw), which is ongoing, so I can't go into details).-
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EBWOP: If the third paragraph first sentence didn't make sense, I meant I can't wait to see how I am linked to FS, because I really don't see it at all. Same with SC. (I hope that doesn't seem like I'm trying to defend StrangerCouger, but I'm just saying, you keep bringing both of us up, and I haven't seen anything compelling to believe the FS/SC scum team)-
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Yeah, that's what I meant. (I thought I typed "since he did not flip scum, yadda yadda.." but guess not)armlx wrote:OP, FS was town....
It's funny coming from someone else who has gone under the radar, basically.TheSweatpantsNinja wrote:
The person who stands out to me in that group is OP. SC has been onarmlx wrote: The coinciding groups are myself, SpyreX, SC, Llama, and OP. Time to reread and see who directly opposed an FS lynch at the time KoC died (Llama I know did)everywagon, which is, I think, a fine reason to lynch him. You, spyrex, and llama have all been playing pro-town games, I think. OP hasn't made much of an impression on me, and that under-the-radar shift stands out to me.
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FaerieLord - 3 (armlx, orangepenguin, Manito)
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Not voting - Joubert, killa seven, FaerieLord, SpryeX, StrangerCoug
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You're only saying that because TSN said he was suspicious of me before you. You're basically waiting for a wagon to form (other than the wagon on FL) while you slip on it quick, and disappear...again.killa seven wrote:Im getting scum vibes off of OP. need to go read his posts again.
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I don't disagree with your 'case', it's just that, I've seen SC do this in another game, and he was nearly voted out for it. If I hadn't seen him do this before, I'd be more inclined to think along the same lines as you.TheSweatpantsNinja wrote:
This is the case I made two days ago. In the meantime, you can add two more townie wagons that he has jumped onto late. OP, which part of that do you disagree with?I wrote: Anyway, strangercoug: His first vote, he wagons killa seven. His second vote, he wagons corinthian. (His) Post 22, he says he thinks both k7 and corinthian are scum, and starts pushing the town to lynch either one. He's not exactly picking hard targets to go after, and he's pushing for a lynch. Over the course of the day, he jumps between the two once more, before settling on corinthian (town) lynch.
Day 2 starts, and behind k7, firestarter, another player already under suspicion, is his candidate. Then he has a weird exchange with llamafluff, where he votes and then unvotes him. . . sc-llamafluff buddies? Could be. After that, he's again trying to "decide" between k7 and now Knights of Cydonia, another player who others have expressed suspicion. But now that k7's wagon has died, he switches his vote for firestarter, yet another leading wagon.
To sum up, he hasn't voted for a single player that didn't already have a developed wagon, weird vote-then-unvote thing with llamafluff excepted.-
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If both of you are so convinced of K7 being scum, why aren't either of you voting him? Since you both think the other is partners with him.
Instead of voting eachother, you could just vote the person you think is scummy's partner. That would make a lot more sense. Unless, one of you ARE indeed killa's partner, then I see why you wouldn't actually vote him. Hmm..-
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If that gets you to do something, go ahead. I will look forward to it. If it is anything like your other cases, then it should be a good read.killa seven wrote:From what i understand people think fl and me are scum based on fl's actions not mine.
i flat out think your scum.
ill throw a case up soon.-
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