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Sup y'all

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Can someone give me a summary of why DeasVail and obscure are being voted right now?

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Claim or die.

Why?

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I mean, the guy is busy IRL and recently ditched modding his newbie game so I doubt that's AI

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I will say my role is confirmable

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Because we will yeet you if you don't.

HEM had been sandbagging a claim for days.

It actually enrages me.

Hi Enchant, I'm the new HEM

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Hey CSF! Did you find what you were looking for about Dease and obscure?

No not really, I haven't found the part where those wagons began. This game could really use some more VCs. What are your reads on those slots?

I'm kind of reading backwards, and one cursory thought I had was that the reasons listed for scumreading Gamma in 5085 were kind of weak considering he's their top scumread.

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put a cat in there idc

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Hey CSF! Did you find what you were looking for about Dease and obscure?

No not really, I haven't found the part where those wagons began. This game could really use some more VCs. What are your reads on those slots?

I'm kind of reading backwards, and one cursory thought I had was that the reasons listed for scumreading Gamma in 5085 were kind of weak considering he's their top scumread.

I've been pushing Dease hard, I started scumreading them with a

high

level of certainty (which has likely been

too high

) for their rationale of their push on me in 3333.

I've been defending obscure, mostly indirectly by pushing Dease. Recently I defended them harder because I Town with a

moderate

level of certainty the indignation in 5159 for example.

Now that I'm thinking about it though, I think I now have a

low

level of certainty about the indignation indicating Town for obscure, because I have played with an English teacher (or something) on this website before, who faked indignation effectively while shedding off pressure.

I usually just ignore AtE like that and treat it as NAI tbh

4109 is decent and hits some of the points that I was thinking. I think he fits the profile of an uncharismatic, low activity poster and kind of just seems lost tbh

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I doubt I'm going to be able to provide scumreads I can feel good about tonight when the thread is moving kind of slowly. I think you, Frogster, Ausuka, and maybe GuiltyLion are town, and I think that's a pretty good starting point

I want to give MT some space to replace in, because I'm feeling how difficult it is to replace into a 200 page game with a deadline in like 2 days so hard right now. But I think 5245 is kind of scummy

I'm also kind of confused at why my slot was even run up in the first place, since (a) people were exasperated with how long the day was dragging out and (b) S_S wasn't exactly towning it up

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I’ve decided I don’t think Frogster is especially likely as scum to think that my scumread on him is vindictive.

What made you think this? Did something clear up your confusion in 5042?

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That's a pretty dumb thing to do ngl

Ydrasse's ISO is kind of unimpressive no offense

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i am down to just sheep nero and vote tweetie. that kinda sucks because i like tweetie but i am extremely sick of this day and i think nero is town. though i'm also thinking cat scratch fever should be at least somewhat caught up on the thread before nightfall. y'know.

I read back to the point where scamper softed an inno on you and Marci claimed the vig kill on VPB.

I'm headed to work right now, but was there anyone in particular that you wanted me to look at later?

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part of me just thinks is scum. If we let her live and she's scum she'll just claim roleblocked.

We can lim her tomorrow then if that's how it plays out.

Idk this seems unnecessary to me

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VOTE: Deas

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I'm more or less caught up from pg. 150 and have read the posts since I replaced in

I didn't get to do the ISOs Nero asked for since I ended up drinking last night and now I have a hangover >_<

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Is the MT lim a foregone conclusion? I was under the impression that people were still considering

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my two main novel thoughts I had rereading obscure:

VOTE: Gamma Emerald this is a scum slot I think

HEMs early stuff I thought town and also VP but a few things struck me as off from both and I would like to look back properly at both.
I don't particularly think FB is town but I can wait for him to kick into gear for now and he's done enough that I am not auto scumreading so I don't want to vote there right now.
I am interested in seeing more of Xof's iso dives to see what kind of content is there
I will look at some stuff in the morning. I'm trying to just chuck down rough notes so I don't have to start fresh so I appreciate this is a bit halfhazard.

I don't like how cagey this feels and I don't like the excuses for:

• *Not expanding on the VP and HEM reads
  *Posting in order to use the thread as a notepad

At this rate I'll say there's probably a scum in Gamma, xo, Conman

to comment on this,

I saw conman was also a substitute. I feel like I'm doing the same thing? i agree that it's actually helpful when you're coming into the game so late because everything is kind of inflated. so i'm a townie and i sympathize with it, at least, not sure how much of an alignment tell.

i considered just keeping notes on a document first, but if something happens and i die, i want to be able to have my thoughts out there, and humanmonkey mentioned on the last page it's better to just spew all my thoughts.

I could see this post as a bit white knighty of Conman and a little LAMIST. namely the logic of "I think he's townie, cause he's doing this thing I'm also doing" I can imagine as insidiously trying to plant the idea that obscure is town.

deasvail

weird post about me (skitter), but i can ignore this since i'm not going to hold onto a first post into the game. hmm, starts by just outing a bunch of townreads, which feel sort of easy as a lot of them are sort of founded around "i agree with X's reads" rather than establishing their own (948, 949, etc)

i don't like 950 that much either because it sort of feels like they've making up a narrative "as scum, i'd expect them to do X" when that's really not like a logical assumption - mafia can act in a lot of different ways.

3242 some of the re-evaluation on the VP flip feels kind of decent.

i'm struggling a little with 3333. i feel like it's not hard for mafia to find suspects, but it may be more challenging for mafia to actually sound convincing/believable when they push on these suspects, and it sort of feels like deas doesn't really have any strong pushes (so basically what people were saying about me, even though i don't think it's contextually true about me), and that they are struggling in this regard.. which, they do acknowledge this, but i don't necessarily see that as a plus point. their read on me feels a bit.. eh, flat/waffly, like they are just sort of shrugging it off as a slightly lesser townread than before due to what people are saying but not putting a ton of thought into it. also i'm willing to look at frog again, but gut says it's not a good place to push based on my feelings yesterday.

all in all, i still think they deas has a good chance to be scum.

so rereading this post, I don't see why obscure actually thinks DV is more likely scum than anyone else. There's an implicit argument that having a lot of townreads is scummy, but it's not presented directly and it doesn't really hold up - lots of players in the game have the "too many townreads" mindset at the moment, why single out DV over all the rest? And further it applies to obscure as well, which he himself acknowledges here, but then obscure throws this out without attempting to explain the difference between DV's play and obscure's own. just an assertion that they are different.

I also specifically don't like the bit on 950 - there's a lack of depth to obscure's treatment of it.

1) just because it's not a "logical assumption", why is it scummy for DV to think fire is more likely to fake paranoia as scum?

2) the point of how "mafia can act in a lot of different ways" is true, but also kinda meaningless? like in my mind you could use that as a general retort to a lot of arguments or reasons why people might scumread somebody. the whole game is trying to make informed guesses around how scum is likely to behave. so the way obscure is just wholesale dismissing DV's read feels really uncharitable - I'd at minimum want to understand whether obscure has any thoughts on if fireisred would be more likely to fake paranoia as scum, to understand if obscure tried to empathize or engage with DV's read at all. But instead we don't see that, we just have obscure calling it a bad read by DV.

A little bit more clear headed now. On rereading this post, I think I was too quick to sort Obscure as town for his push on Deas if he's pushing someone for having too many scumreads while only having one major scumread themself, and some of his posts rely on a tinfoily kind of reasoning that is scummy. Idk if everyone is resigned to an MT lim, but I'd consider swinging there

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i was still considering until she stopped talking, popped back in to claim a very convenient role, then stopped talking again

now i want her dead

Yeah that's fair

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I don't really have an opinion on the eye roll and the other reaction stuff - that seems like something Gamma would say as either alignment. I guess my biggest hang up with the lim was that Tweet claimed something that resolves tomorrow anyway.

But I don't disagree that Tweet's posting has felt flat, so short of flashwagoning someone else, I'm not going to fight it that much

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Who are you scumreading, S_S?

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I kind of think Menalque might be scum too . I don't townread his reaction to the scamper gambit and think he could have plausibly faked not knowing the slot already claimed VT. he replaced in during the night after all.

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I don't really see any good reasons to townread S_S for, which would normally be concerning for this point in the game, but also historically my read rate on him has also been abysmal

I wouldn't stop a wagon there ig

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While I have you scamper, who are the consensus townreads you mentioned in 6129?

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Yeah I read a post of yours from earlier that explained it

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I don't really ascribe to it generally speaking, if that's what you were asking. I don't townread people unless they do towny things

I don't have any basis for this but him admitting that he doesn't have any scumreads feels within his scumrange. But also him admitting to that in thread make me doubt that he is scum funnily enough

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I could really use a VC

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I spectated a lot of HDP, and I kind of doubt S_S puts that much effort into every scum game like that

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Can someone tl;dr the case on fire scum?

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I expected more Mena content by now

VOTE: Menalque

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Did S_S really start posting again once the wagon was starting to swing back towards him? lol I'm feeling this now

VOTE: S_S

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S_S is at E-2 by my count

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Hope you're feeling better Mena!

Town!
CSF
Datisi
Ausuka
scamper

Town
S_S
Frog

Idfk
Nero
Ydra
Shea
GL

Scum?
DV
Dannflor
fireisredsir

My head is hurting again and my nostrils are attempting to recreate the river Nile so I’m going to lie down but not before I leave y’all with this barebones ass readlist

Interested in hearing more about the dannflor scumread in particular when you have time, that's a spicy read

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Oh, I think fb ~generally~ when scum = having more fun, seems like is enjoying game etc. This is amplified imo if it’s people he likes playing with, and I think there’s enough old hands here who I’m p sure he gets along decently with (like sure there’s no MariaR or RC who I remember him particularly liking) but I would expect him to be an order of magnitude more excited if he were scum in what, to him, would be a good PL

I kind of agree with this meta read on Fb but i don't think it's worth putting much stock into it this game, since FB mentioned he was busy irl, and that could've affected his play

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...so, cat scratch fever, why are you, like, still alive

Idk tbh I thought I would've eaten a bullet by now, but I guess this is a cue to get off my lazy butt and try to solve the game for real

Part of me wants to push through on Menalque since I still want to see that flip, but if CSF agrees to shoot there I'm down to explore elsewhere today. I think CSF being alive combined with the Enchant shot is maybe mildly suspicious but most of all I think it indicates scum were more threatened by the unknown of Ydra's role than the unknown of where CSF might shoot. or possibly they had info on Ydrasse from a rolecop or something

Maybe...? I see the benefits of this, but also scum could have a doctor or something that can introduce shenanigans

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Is that question at me? I've read like most of day 2 and have been following along ever since I rep'd in

I'm most unsure about fire and Ausuka, I don't think either have made a post that stood out to me as really town. I would like to sit down and read their ISOs when I have time

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Like, I did my job as far as I'm concerned! Even though I was busy I spent a long time making the case on Fire I was asked to make. The implication that I would have to hyperpost to make fire die earlier because they are a somewhat stronger scumread of mine is so ??? to me

pedit: morning tweet would never endgame and I would not attempt to save her as scum

I don't recall implicating this

ok what is the implication of "the fire case came out when pressure was swinging to morning tweet" then

I think there's a world where you could have been trying to save MT?

You say now that MT never was going to survive but unless you know her as a player I don't think it's obvious she couldn't kick it up a gear?

and I seem to recall that you didn't know she was a polarized player when she initially repped in

I don't know about that line of reasoning. Daychat is a common thing in normals nowadays, it's not outside the realm of possibility for someone to replace in and tell their buddies to bus them

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I ISO'd Gamma, and Gamma's interactions with fire aren’t great. There were some softball questions, and this post in particular feels kind of like SvS interaction because it feels like interacting for the sake of it rather than trying to resolve something

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i do like the overlap in townreads that most of the people i townread have

maybe willing to just trust scamper's gamma read

definitely willing to find two ish people that are consensus scumread by the towncore and wagon em up and get things moving

frogster seems to be doing good work and being protown. tbh i live in fear that the other shoe will drop at any moment but i do think he's probably town here and i like the approach he's taking so far

What are your own thoughts on me?

i think i have a lot of trouble not just inherently reading a lot of what you say as fake and so i think it's better for me to outsource my read on you to other people

when i read your posts i still read you as scummy but it feels kinda the same as when i did in frenemies, until i figured out you were a mason and dropped it

Fair enough
I kinda wanna know what comes off as fake, in this game in particular I do see how I could feel that way

Contrast the tone there to how Gamma was talking to TSQ (starts at 3094), which felt more like scum being defensive and trying to "prove" herself to convince town.

Fire’s interactions with VPB aren’t really clearing either. There’s some shadethrowing (2264) but not much actual pushing there. I get the sense that fire was town reading VPB, but it’s unclear why.

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I got the sense that fire was townreading VPB because he never showed that much interest in voting there

but tbh I don't know if it's more or less partner indicative to not state a read on your partner all day

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why's it funny

Because you've given up pretending to fake a read trajectory and are just hoping no one reads your iso. Also GL and I are obvtown. Also, you avoid voting Mena anytime the wagon gets close to going through.

what about my iso prevents me from having my current reads

the second point is more or less true, i preferred the other options every time mena has been a wagon so far, but i think i might have been wrong about that. does that mean im not allowed to suspect him now or something? i don't get your point here (ik your point is that im partnered with mena, but how does that matter here since im now saying i think he's probably scum?)

Do you think frog/Mena are partnered, and he is hard bussing Mena?

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Fire, i feel like your reread is just throwing reads out there, and without context i have no idea whether they're plausible town thoughts or not.

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My vla ends tonight but I just got home and I’m exhausted so please don’t prod me

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Well okay i guess the bit is up.

I'm not actually a vig, I'm just vt. I saw that hem claimed some sort of vig and just decided to roll with it, thinking i would die sooner rather than later with a claim like that

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I know this is not great and I'll probably be limmed anyway, but if you have to any questions, i can try to answer them

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Not a question but yeah i get it

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It is cool now that you've in'd :^)

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Ausuka the goat!!