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[obscure]

Welcome @obscure very nice to have you join us! You really jumped into the deep end. Have you played much forum mafia before? We use a lot of buzzwords

@Irrelevant11 thank you! i haven't played forum mafia before, i've played it with my group of friends irl and i've played a few quick games on discord with a group of people, but i'm new to this setting and to how long the phases are/mechanics. yeah there's been quite a few confusing things, but i found the Wiki which is very helpful =p (i'm a teacher irl so i know that.. instructions are provided places even though most people don't go look for them and i don't want to be That Newbie)

[fireisredsir]

i do like the overlap in townreads that most of the people i townread have

maybe willing to just trust scamper's gamma read

definitely willing to find two ish people that are consensus scumread by the towncore and wagon em up and get things moving

frogster seems to be doing good work and being protown. tbh i live in fear that the other shoe will drop at any moment but i do think he's probably town here and i like the approach he's taking so far

[Irrelephant11]

Everytime someone says traitor I mark them down as a traitor

[Frogsterking]

tbh i live in fear that the other shoe will drop at any moment

*whistles*

[Ausuka]

Everytime someone says traitor I mark them down as a traitor

in the last large normal I played people suspected me literally for exactly this and I had to IC reveal

[fireisredsir]

i'm actually slightly embarrassed about the primary reason i scumread fireisredsir so i am counting on him to have sick reads like in Turing Test and put my doubts to rest

i shared my embarrassing reason, it's your turn

i promise to have good reads once we get to 8 town and 5 scum. let's just yeet 6 town in a row and then ill feel more comfortable

You've been Towned by like half the towncore and Ari's read on you is contingent on the accuracy of your reads, so it makes sense for you to supply a reads list as well.

EBWOP

Blehghg too many different games

you may perhaps be interested in 1853

im more interested in looking for town atm and don't feel particularly strongly about any specific scumreads so beyond those listed its kinda mushy. i could think more about who in the remainder i am less interested in wagoning

[obscure]

my main takeaway from 70-79 is i definitely think frog is townie now. i will now go back where i left off on page 21 because i'm not very satisfied =p

Obscure do you have any reason to scumread Ydrasse other than that early game thing

no. i just didn't see anything that made me change my mind up to page 20, like no micro-moments or anything yet, but i saw a lot of people finding them really townie so i wouldn't be surprised if that was adjusted. there's 4 mafia after all and i already have 4 people in scumreads without having sorted 7 people.

[Datisi]

there's 4 mafia after all

???

[Ydrasse]

*exudes towniness in the direction of obscure*

[Irrelephant11]

Datisi it seems like you're scumreading me for a bad scumread on you, fake bravado, and referencing vca even though I haven't done any yet.

> it's d1 what vca is there to do besides my own wagon?
> I think you're menalque and I'm Irrelephant and this is coalition game all over again

[obscure]

there's 4 mafia after all

???

someone said this when i asked last night?

[Aristeia]

it would take a lot of time to organize all the thoughts I've had about Datisi. I don't even think it would be very useful tbh.

I'm not actually even sure my conclusion is my conclusion atp, it's just kind of what I feel in this moment after reading his read-list. I don't even really understand why I think this. I just speed skimmed his triangle and ended up with "lol dats rolled scum again"

for fire:


so I thought it didn't make a lot of sense for you to push me to sort me in this game because I don't think anyone's really caught me as scum by wagoning me.

I don't think you would think of me as a scum player who can be sorted with pressure or solved with pressure.

in fact it's almost dangerous in a way to push scum me because I am fairly decent at looking

good

and gaining thread control by getting people to vote for me I think.

and this is something you're

aware of

because you stated you didn't want to give me reasoning for the push because you are worried scum me can just judo flip you and kill you easily because ripping apart bad cases is very easy for me and people here have seen me do it as town to scum and mercilessly kill them. You would be essentially giving me the tools to kill you if I was scum with very little gain or upside for yourself. You can't get me to be yeeted without providing very solid reasoning and you don't have the reasoning or ammo to put into the push.

So why would you push me here if you suspect I'm scum? I actually kind of think you wouldn't if you thought I was scum because you simply don't have the thread influence or reasoning to make a push that is likely to kill me and if you're not likely to kill me then why do I even care? You're basically giving me free weapons and making me look better atp.

what does make sense to me is you are feeling uneasy about your solution in the Turing Test and you want to get a better read of me in that game but

you can't talk to me in that game anymore

so you decide to establish a baseline for me and compare.

How do you establish the baseline? well you push me here and see how I react to a suspicion and try to compare with when you called me scum for a brief moment in that game and see if there's any divergence.

but this method only makes sense to do if you know I'm town here and you're testing for a reaction to compare where you know my actual alignment - it doesn't help you if you

don't know my alignment in this game

because how is the comparison even supposed to work?

Another point that fit into the theory is when GuiltyLion asked you something along the lines of "hey I thought Ari was way scummier in this game than Turing LOL" and you kind of replied with a flat yea.

I feel like the way he talked with you was kind of a spontaneous happy uninformed way while your response was notably flat and felt evasive as if you wanted to hide the line of thought between those two games because you can't say to him well I was comparing her play here to that game to evaluate whether she's scum in that game because it would give away that you know what my alignment in this game is.


Anyway that was the thread that's been going through my head but I recognize it's not like very good reasoning and probably not what happened here regardless of your alignment and i'm just hoping you get to like be closer to your town game in that game and carry me to a win here because I like being carried <3

[Irrelephant11]

@Ausuka let's just put Datisi in the townbin, he'll bus and then we can all have a dramatic reveal at Elo that "bwahaha we scumread you the whole time"

[Irrelephant11]

I want to elect a town mayor but for obvious reasons I would like it to not be scamper (even though I think scamper is town)

[Datisi]

it's d1 what vca is there to do besides my own wagon?

yes? the fact that you didn't mention it at all is odd?

i'm not too interested in pushing you out d1, i think. at least not right now. so keep playing if you're town, i'll find you

[Ydrasse]

i support mayor shrimp scampi

[Aristeia]

i support mayor shrimp scampi

[Ausuka]

I support scamper for mayor. I think Irrelephant is town but I've never eaten fried elephant before and it sounds kind of delicious.

[Irrelephant11]

it's d1 what vca is there to do besides my own wagon?

yes? the fact that you didn't mention it at all is odd?

i'm not too interested in pushing you out d1, i think. at least not right now. so keep playing if you're town, i'll find you

Oh you mean I haven't DONE the vca on my own wagon. Well yeah only like 4 people voted me

[Ausuka]

@Ausuka let's just put Datisi in the townbin, he'll bus and then we can all have a dramatic reveal at Elo that "bwahaha we scumread you the whole time"

but if you expect him to bus he won't. he's tricky like that

[obscure]

*cracks knuckles*

ready to dive in today, only like, 10 extra pages behind!

since i forgot to give a proper greeting yesterday: hi obscure, welcome to MS! i hope u enjoy the game (:

this is probably a challenging game to start off with since its a large pl/high volume, lmk if u have any questions abt stuff

ooc, what are the games u play irl usually like?

@scamper thank you, i appreciate it! i like that i have a lot of time to catch up at the very least. i sort of like the.. lower intensity vibe? haha

for the irl games, we usually have a "captain/host" who will assign people roles (sometimes we'll just draw roles), then there will also be a cop, doctor, then just regular villagers. there's phases (day/night) but it's like, shutting your eyes during the night, during the day basically collectively deciding who we think is mafia. we don't play it super strictly, it's just for fun, but i love it

[Ausuka]

Relly subtly revealing he plans to leave me and dats to elo

[Irrelephant11]

A dramatic final 3

[Ausuka]

I would metaphorically kill you postgame

[Irrelephant11]

Too late you'd already be literally dead

My vig shots are IRL