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Hi everyone! Feels good to be back after a break.

VOTE: Skygazer

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let me play the devil's advocate to your accusation: what you pointed out isn't unique to those two users, since savethedragons (i'll abbreivate to STD if that's ok) also just said "hi" without casting a vote, so wouldn't the same kind of logic apply to them?

and while people do vote for reasons during rvs its redundant because these are completely unaligned reasons that would be the same regardless of rand, so the votes are equally as non-commital and passive as the entrances, and the argument falls apart pretty quickly because of that

Sure, it's just the the timing that seemed a little...eh to me. Sort of "hey, let's show my face so everyone knows I'm cool but not actually try to move towards finding scum>" I'll admit it's weak and I'm not married to this tell, but my general read of scum behavior is that they're like politicans who'll pop in to show themselves but don't actually want to be attached to a wagon.

I'm much more confident in my read that it's very unlikely both Hsu and Kawaii are both scum just because of their interaction. It just seems like scum wouldn't banter with each other about such fluff just right out of the gate.

I'm with

STD

and

Cephrir

on this one.

And, as a matter of fact, one game when I was mafia, I tried pushing a similar point to move up the pace and fake a contribution.

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I appreciate y'all trying so hard out the gate but I think most of what's been argued so far isn't really alignment indicative

Also btw FoSing is out of style these days

I feel like everything is alignment indicative. Every post is made with intentions. Its not up to the poster to express this, but up to the player-base to interpret.

Both town and mafia can make contentless posts for no reason or for whatever reason really. It is a common mistake for town to assume that every post has intention.

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I appreciate y'all trying so hard out the gate but I think most of what's been argued so far isn't really alignment indicative

Also btw FoSing is out of style these days

I feel like everything is alignment indicative. Every post is made with intentions. Its not up to the poster to express this, but up to the player-base to interpret.

Both town and mafia can make contentless posts for no reason or for whatever reason really. It is a common mistake for town to assume that every post has intention.

what makes it specifically a town mindset?

Why would mafia care about a poster's intention?

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I appreciate y'all trying so hard out the gate but I think most of what's been argued so far isn't really alignment indicative

Also btw FoSing is out of style these days

I feel like everything is alignment indicative. Every post is made with intentions. Its not up to the poster to express this, but up to the player-base to interpret.

Both town and mafia can make contentless posts for no reason or for whatever reason really. It is a common mistake for town to assume that every post has intention.

VOTE: Greeting

Mind elaborating?

"It is a common mistake for town to assume that every post has intention."

I believe this sentence is a scumslip.

In what way?

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I think Hu Tao can go to my town pile.

@Hu Tao: what's your experience with Mafia games?

Why?

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Why would mafia care about a poster's intention?

kowhabunga’s choice to read into posts isnt based on alignment, and there’s no reason for why scum couldnt emulate that kind of mindset in the premise of fake contrib, so its weird your default reaction was to assume he was town

I do think he is town. Surely, everything and anything can be faked in a mafia game, but, in my experience, these kinds of posts usually come from town mindsets.

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Lets put Greeting in the machine. More votes to do that, please.

Why haven't you answered my question?

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Lets put Greeting in the machine. More votes to do that, please.

Why haven't you answered my question?

To answer you question from 91 - you know my alignment.

No, I don't.

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I'm feeling comfortable enough to put

Bub Bidderskins

,

MalcolmTucker

and

Kowahbunga

in my town basket for now.

I'm kinda conflicted on

Hu Tao

and

ballpointpen

, but I would not want to eliminate either of them today.

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I think Hu Tao can go to my town pile.

@Hu Tao: what's your experience with Mafia games?

Why?

I liked his response to the pressure.

Bub explained it better in 118.

This also answers Hu Tao's 109.

What about

Hu Tao

's response to pressure did you like? This slot has spent more energy being on the defensive than doing actual scumhunting. Seems to be quite comfortable sitting on the

curiouskarmadog

wagon, which appears to be a cozy place to be for the time being.

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@

mod

VC is wrong, you need to double check it, my vote is still on

Skygazer

.

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Yeah it wasn't said like that at all. Post 48 - "Both town and mafia can make contentless posts for no reason or for whatever reason really.

It is a common mistake for town

to assume that every post has intention."

That was in response to my 44. "I feel like everything is alignment indicative. Every post is made with intentions. Its not up to the poster to express this, but up to the player-base to interpret."

They did not just simply say "Kowah is town" they responded and said what I said "is a common mistake for town" that's not a town read. That's not a guess. That was an attempt to discredit my opinion on the game followed by a them blatantly mentioning what my alignment is. This does not come from a town POV.

Also, why don't you actually read the game before you come in here and discredit what I've been doing? What gives you the confidence to come in here, tell me you don't like my push on Greeting, and then openly prove you haven't even looked at it?

Okay, we get it.

How about you answer

ballpointpen

's 129 now?

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let me play the devil's advocate to your accusation: what you pointed out isn't unique to those two users, since savethedragons (i'll abbreivate to STD if that's ok) also just said "hi" without casting a vote, so wouldn't the same kind of logic apply to them?

and while people do vote for reasons during rvs its redundant because these are completely unaligned reasons that would be the same regardless of rand, so the votes are equally as non-commital and passive as the entrances, and the argument falls apart pretty quickly because of that

Sure, it's just the the timing that seemed a little...eh to me. Sort of "hey, let's show my face so everyone knows I'm cool but not actually try to move towards finding scum>" I'll admit it's weak and I'm not married to this tell, but my general read of scum behavior is that they're like politicans who'll pop in to show themselves but don't actually want to be attached to a wagon.

I'm much more confident in my read that it's very unlikely both Hsu and Kawaii are both scum just because of their interaction. It just seems like scum wouldn't banter with each other about such fluff just right out of the gate.

I'm with

STD

and

Cephrir

on this one.

And, as a matter of fact, one game when I was mafia, I tried pushing a similar point to move up the pace and fake a contribution.

This is weird. What has STD said that makes you "with them?" STD has contributed practically nothing. What are you talking about?

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Be back with more in a bit.

I was referring to posts 34 and 41.

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I think Hu Tao can go to my town pile.

@Hu Tao: what's your experience with Mafia games?

Why?

I liked his response to the pressure.

Bub explained it better in 118.

This also answers Hu Tao's 109.

What about

Hu Tao

's response to pressure did you like? This slot has spent more energy being on the defensive than doing actual scumhunting. Seems to be quite comfortable sitting on the

curiouskarmadog

wagon, which appears to be a cozy place to be for the time being.

i dont like anything about this post, least of all the weird shade on curious' wagon

Why? I think that wagon is yucky.

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i can't tell if this user is awkward or scum but woof

I think this could be scum. The analysis looks great on the surface, but not so great when read in-depth. Like, the answer to his question lies in the context and not in the post itself and he was not able to catch that.

Feels like they just went through a few things that happened in the game to fake a contribution.

VOTE: Glitch

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There's definitely at least one scum in: {

KittyTacky

,

NJAC

,

Glitch

}. I'll see in the postgame if my instincts were right.

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Yeah it wasn't said like that at all. Post 48 - "Both town and mafia can make contentless posts for no reason or for whatever reason really.

It is a common mistake for town

to assume that every post has intention."

That was in response to my 44. "I feel like everything is alignment indicative. Every post is made with intentions. Its not up to the poster to express this, but up to the player-base to interpret."

They did not just simply say "Kowah is town" they responded and said what I said "is a common mistake for town" that's not a town read. That's not a guess. That was an attempt to discredit my opinion on the game followed by a them blatantly mentioning what my alignment is. This does not come from a town POV.

Also, why don't you actually read the game before you come in here and discredit what I've been doing? What gives you the confidence to come in here, tell me you don't like my push on Greeting, and then openly prove you haven't even looked at it?

Okay, we get it.

How about you answer

ballpointpen

's 129 now?

Obviously the "we" you mention in your post don't get it or you'd be flipped by now.

I'm not going to answer "what if someone is town" just because I have a scum read on them. I think their question in 129 is impossible to answer. I do not know how I will feel if I'm wrong about my read on you, I also don't know what my reads will look like in that instance. There would be so much information between this point and that point that I would have to experience to know.

Everybody understands your point, but not everybody agrees with it. Your determination in pushing it isn’t futile though, it only convinces me more that you’re a tunnelled townie.

Assume that I am being eliminated as of this moment, and I flip town. Don’t take anything that might or might not happen in-between into consideration. Who’s your second suspect?

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Prod dodge, still keeping my vote where it is. Will contribute more in some time, sorry.

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Kawaii has lot of questions but no opinions. Would vote there too.

It takes me a long ass time to come up with any of my own opinions in any game, I want to deeply analyze the game b4 pursuing,

sadly D1 doesn't have a lot of material to go off of

, I do like you willing to pursue me tho

is this a remark about mafia games in general or about this game specifically
because there's been a lot of interesting developments over these 13-ish pages and its dumb to say otherwise

If

KawaiiKame

meant to speak about this game specifically then they've clearly not been reading the thread... Question is if it's AI or not.

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I am not at all opposed to eliminating

NJAC

.

VOTE: NJAC

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KittyTacky

gets a town pass after all, at least for the time being.

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Why is everyone so hesitant to vote

NJAC

out?

From my perspective, a lot of players can be easily ruled out and get town passes for the time being. Meanwhile, that slot contributed literally nothing. If we keep him in the game and allow him to coast around, we will not be moving forward.

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Scum really don’t want NJAC executed.

I’m starting to think that is the case too. Players like him should be policy-elimmed, and it’s very surprising that there’s only four votes on him so far.

I will look into the

Hu Tao

wagon later though.

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Scum really don’t want NJAC executed.

I’m starting to think that is the case too. Players like him should be policy-elimmed, and it’s very surprising that there’s only four votes on him so far.

This is such bad logic

Why is that?

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hu tao or glitch

I think NJAC is prob town too. I would go for glitch but doubt we have the votes unfortunately

Literally what's the towniest thing this slot has done?

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Policy is a dumb term for laziness and people who don't want consequences for their actions if they turn out wrong. It's an ego protector. If they are wrong they can just day "oh well its their fault for playing that way"

So you think that the player who contributes very little is not to blame for being scumread?

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Is anyone up for a glitch/enchant wagon

yeah

Me too.

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I'm not voting

Hu Tao

out today. I've been re-reading the thread and the way he posts seems rather genuine, and he's quite bold with sharing whatever is on his mind. Feels like it would be difficult to fake.

[Greeting]

There's definitely at least one scum in: {

KittyTacky

,

NJAC

,

Glitch

}. I'll see in the postgame if my instincts were right.

Why?

@Greeting: please answer this.

Gut feeling. I've removed

KittyTacky

since, now I only want you and whomever replaced Glitch out.

Your contributions to the game have been weak and inconsistent, and you have never given good reasoning as to why I'm scum. Only mention I found was in 928. If I'm to be honest, even though you posted a lot, doesn't feel like you've influenced the game at all.

Glitch's contributions to the game felt really forced and done for the sake of appearances.

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Prod dodge, uphold my past reads. I don’t see anything unusual about

Andante

’s play either.

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Feels like this day has been going for a month now.

VOTE: Skygazer

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There is no way that we spawned 13 pages between me going to work this morning and coming back

Some of you guys really need to touch grass. I ain’t reading these pages.

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I claim Town Mason.

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And yeah, I’ve been inactive, because I got bored of Day 1 lasting almost a month.

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I claim Town Mason.

Who should we lim then?

Skygazer

.

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Don’t remember if I’ve done this before or not.

VOTE: Skygazer

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I got visited by an announcing Jailkeeper tonight. Not sure why they would want to visit a Mason, but okay.

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Good job on getting

KT

, I thought he was scummy at first, but then he kinda started acting his usual self again so I stopped paying attention to him.

VOTE: Enchant

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Greeting should HC his partner today

That’s a terrible idea.

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Greeting should HC his partner today

That’s a terrible idea.

I’m kinda on Gimli’s side for this one.

I’m not doing it. I see absolutely no upside to outing my partner at this very moment.